Naruto No Rules, No Rulers [Naruto/High School DxD]

[MastaofBitches]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

Alternating chapters from different points of view might work, but ultimately it will come down to what role Naruto takes in the story. Is he replacing a character in one of the Devil groupings? Is he going to receive recognition as a Devil in his own right because of Kurama? None of the above?

I was thinking about maybe having him reincarnated as a "King" due to his power, and assistance later on in the story. That way he can get his own Peerage, and it would allow him to get over one of his current weaknesses, which has yet to show up.

As for sage mode, it depends if you want Naruto to have it. If you don't, the natural chakra of this new world rejects his attempts to manipulate it. If you want him to have it, then maybe he just needs to attune himself to this new heavily urbanized world he's in.

I do want him to have it, and I was planning on having the Toads be a Minor Youkai clan, and have the moutain be inside it's own Pocket dimension, which is why the Toads can only remain outside for so long, and also why the oil dries up instantly.

To give you better ideas, we'd need to know more about your plotline.

The truth is, I don't really have one. This was mostly just because I wanted to practice my writing, and prove that it is possible to write a Naruto/High School DxD fanfic without making Naruto either A: absurdly powerful, B: Having him replace Issei, or C: making him an OC with Naruto's name.

I am working on one though. I'll also probably try and include the side stories from the other volumes, in their chronological position.

...doesn't senjutsu drive people nuts in DxD?

If I remember right, it had something to do with drawing in Human Malice, which shouldn't really effect Naruto, since he's used to dealing with far greater amounts, from back when Kurama's power was corrupted.

 

[FinalMax]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

While Senjutsu exists on both sides of the equation, they do differ. High School DxD has it be more directly messing with the life force of individuals. Consider that in canon, Koneko had to give Issei infusions of her life force after his use of Juggernaut Drive. Naruto-verse Senjutsu is more based around harmony with nature. Effectively, a Senjutsu practitioner would be closer to an amalgam of a D&D Druid without shapeshifting and making a DBZ Spirit Bomb. Both varieties are capable in sizable boosts to physical ability, but it's how it works that makes a difference.

I do applaud that you are trying to make a fic that will give equal billing to both Naruto and Issei. God knows how many High School DxD fics (and not even crossovers!) decide to subplant another character for Issei. I second the approach of alternating perspectives to keep the equal billing. Besides, it allows for two parallel stories to be told.

 

[Nasuren]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

Unfortunately, I don't see Naruto being able to resurrect as a King. Doing so means that devils recognize them him as a high ranking member of their society. The problem is that he's still human, and even if he became a devil I don't see him having that respect to be given his own peerage at this point.

 

[MastaofBitches]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

That's why I said later. I was thinking, maybe around volume 12 or 14-ish? Time enough for him to prove the power of him and Kurama, as well as gain the respect of certain high ranking Devils.

 

[Nasuren]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

That would still require him to become a devil in the first place, which seems that requires one to become another peerage. Yet, I don't really see Rias even bothering trying to recruit Naruto in the first place as Issei took up her last piece and I don't see Naruto even bothering thinking about joining another devil's peerage.

 

[FinalMax]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

MoB, another route you could go would be if Naruto was scouted by the Chaos Brigade. Human, yet possessing supernatural whoopass. If it weren't for the fact that he'd be difficult to place in terms of Heroic heredity, he'd pretty much fit the bill. Still wouldn't change that some groups within that organization might pursue him.

 

[Dark Schneider]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

He wouldn't necessarily have to reincarnate as a Devil. He might count as a Devil/human hybrid as he is a jinchuuriki and the child of a jinchuuriki. His genetics have been exposed to Demonic energy for two generations.

As for Devils respecting him in order to get a peerage, it would depend on how they view Kurama and Naruto's ability to use his power.

Rias might not recruit him, but there are other Devils that might. The Student Council President is a high ranking Devil with a peerage too and the sister to another of the Demon Lords.

The story can be written to include these points. Also, they don't even know he's unusual yet, since he seems to not be using his chakra or Kurama's.

 

[michirusan]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

Yet, I don't really see Rias even bothering trying to recruit Naruto in the first place as Issei took up her last piece and I don't see Naruto even bothering thinking about joining another devil's peerage.

When Rias rezzes Issei she had more than half her pieces still available to her. Issei only usurped all 8 pawn pieces, which left her with the second rook, Knight, and two Bishop pieces unused. Bishop #1 was used by Asia shortly thereafter. It was a major plot point that they sidestepped with the Raiser incident, since she wasn't supposed to join any rating games til after she'd completed her peerage. Since I'm barely aware of the post-season 1 anime stuff, I'm only barely aware one of those got used eventually, but for the purpose of her completing her set she's still not close at this point in time. Has she even now managed to complete her field as of the latest Novel?

Otoh, I really don't see what Rias would see in Naruto either, but then I've had issues with Rias Gremory as a badly developed character from the start.

 

[Nasuren]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

Yet, I don't really see Rias even bothering trying to recruit Naruto in the first place as Issei took up her last piece and I don't see Naruto even bothering thinking about joining another devil's peerage.

When Rias rezzes Issei she had more than half her pieces still available to her. Issei only usurped all 8 pawn pieces, which left her with the second rook, Knight, and two Bishop pieces unused. Bishop #1 was used by Asia shortly thereafter. It was a major plot point that they sidestepped with the Raiser incident, since she wasn't supposed to join any rating games til after she'd completed her peerage. Since I'm barely aware of the post-season 1 anime stuff, I'm only barely aware one of those got used eventually, but for the purpose of her completing her set she's still not close at this point in time. Has she even now managed to complete her field as of the latest Novel?

Otoh, I really don't see what Rias would see in Naruto either, but then I've had issues with Rias Gremory as a badly developed character from the start.

Opps, sorry I forgot....


Serously, though. I think most, if not all positions are filled currently in the VN, most of which has been translated.

He wouldn't necessarily have to reincarnate as a Devil. He might count as a Devil/human hybrid as he is a jinchuuriki and the child of a jinchuuriki. His genetics have been exposed to Demonic energy for two generations.

As for Devils respecting him in order to get a peerage, it would depend on how they view Kurama and Naruto's ability to use his power.

Rias might not recruit him, but there are other Devils that might. The Student Council President is a high ranking Devil with a peerage too and the sister to another of the Demon Lords.

The story can be written to include these points. Also, they don't even know he's unusual yet, since he seems to not be using his chakra or Kurama's.

No. The whole peerage system is made to turn humans into demons, even the half-human/Fallen Angel Akeno became a devil/F. Angel hybrid after reincarnating.

Plus, there's the problem that most high class devils are snobs. If you watched the anime, you might not learn that most of the upper class devils often have ego problems with a elitist attitude. Considering that a brother of one of the Maou actually set up Aisa's banishment so he could later break her like he did numerous other Nuns, and that Sonia's dream of opening a ranking school for all social classes were laughed at tells you of how high class families often act.

Plus we're not taking into account any differences between Naruto-verse Bijuu and actual devils. Plus you forget that Bijuu are nothing more than a sentient mass of chakra and not and actual devil or demon.

 

[MastaofBitches]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

That would still require him to become a devil in the first place, which seems that requires one to become another peerage. Yet, I don't really see Rias even bothering trying to recruit Naruto in the first place as Issei took up her last piece and I don't see Naruto even bothering thinking about joining another devil's peerage.

I can't see any reason why he would need to be a Devil in the first place. He has power equivalent to an Ultimate Class Devil already, all he really lacks is territory, and respect.

MoB, another route you could go would be if Naruto was scouted by the Chaos Brigade. Human, yet possessing supernatural whoopass. If it weren't for the fact that he'd be difficult to place in terms of Heroic heredity, he'd pretty much fit the bill. Still wouldn't change that some groups within that organization might pursue him.

Only the Hero faction are descended from Heroes. The Old Maou faction were also a part of the Chaos Brigade, as was the Vali team.

But having him join the bad guys is... Unlikely. Naruto has far to strong a grip on his morals to accept most of what they do.

He wouldn't necessarily have to reincarnate as a Devil. He might count as a Devil/human hybrid as he is a jinchuuriki and the child of a jinchuuriki. His genetics have been exposed to Demonic energy for two generations.

A Human with Demonic power, is still just a human. I was planning on having that be something Naruto was proud of, with him accepting the "reincarnation" being a sign of character development, since it would mean suppressing his pride.

As for Devils respecting him in order to get a peerage, it would depend on how they view Kurama and Naruto's ability to use his power.

I was planning on having him help fight of the monster's created by "Annihilation Maker", while his clones help with evacuations. Something like that should at least earn him the respect of the less prejudice devils.

Rias might not recruit him, but there are other Devils that might. The Student Council President is a high ranking Devil with a peerage too and the sister to another of the Demon Lords.

She also doesn't have the pieces necessary, since I'd give Naruto a value of around 7 Pawns.

The story can be written to include these points. Also, they don't even know he's unusual yet, since he seems to not be using his chakra or Kurama's.

Well, this was supposed to be after volume 12...

which left her with the second rook, Knight, and two Bishop pieces unused. Bishop #1 was used by Asia shortly thereafter.

That's not actually correct. Rias had used up her first Bishop piece on Gasper, some time before the series even began, however she wasn't allowed to use him for the Rating Game because Gasper couldn't really control his Sacred Gear.

It was a major plot point that they sidestepped with the Raiser incident, since she wasn't supposed to join any rating games til after she'd completed her peerage.

This is also incorrect, as we see Sona participate in the Rating Game while still missing a few pieces. She wasn't supposed to take part in a Rating Game until the Youth Games kicked off.

Since I'm barely aware of the post-season 1 anime stuff, I'm only barely aware one of those got used eventually, but for the purpose of her completing her set she's still not close at this point in time. Has she even now managed to complete her field as of the latest Novel?

Yes. She's got: Queen-Akeno, Knight-Kiba, Knight-Xenovia, Rook-Koneko, Rook-Rossweisse, Bishop-Gasper, Bishop-Asia and Pawn(8)-Issei.

Plus we're not taking into account any differences between Naruto-verse Bijuu and actual devils. Plus you forget that Bijuu are nothing more than a sentient mass of chakra and not and actual devil or demon.

While you have a point, Kurama at full power, should still be around the same level of strength as Yasaka, if not more so.

 

[the DragonBard]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

Kurama at full power is probably equivalent to a mid-rank Ultimate Class Devil. Very powerful, but not as quite strong as the Maoh.

I'm basing this on the fact that Serafall, one of the Satans, is stated to be powerful enough to destroy one of the Japanese islands by herself. That's more power than even Kurama has shown so far.

Though Kurama might be interested in learning about Yasaka and Kunou. Another Kyuubi whom he's not related to would be different for him.

Also, DxD Senjutsu is canonically stated to, when sufficiently mastered, allow control of time and space. Maybe Naruto and Koneko can trade senjutsu skills?

One thing I hate in DxD fics is someone stealing Issei's harem (usually an OC, but sometimes an xover character). However, this late in the series, that's obviously not going to happen, which I'm glad for.

 

[MastaofBitches]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

I'm basing this on the fact that Serafall, one of the Satans, is stated to be powerful enough to destroy one of the Japanese islands by herself. That's more power than even Kurama has shown so far.

To be fair, we've only seen Kurama at half power, or unable to properly utilise his full power, due to being under Obito's control.

Though Kurama might be interested in learning about Yasaka and Kunou. Another Kyuubi whom he's not related to would be different for him.

I thought about maybe having Naruto learn Kitsune fire from them, but I'm still working on how it would work, since Kurama isn't a "real" kitsune.

Also, DxD Senjutsu is canonically stated to, when sufficiently mastered, allow control of time and space. Maybe Naruto and Koneko can trade senjutsu skills?

I do not remember this ever being stated, however I will admit I do occasionally skim Kuroka's speeches

One thing I hate in DxD fics is someone stealing Issei's harem (usually an OC, but sometimes an xover character). However, this late in the series, that's obviously not going to happen, which I'm glad for.

This fic is starting at the very beggining of the series. But no worries, I hate that too, and there are other girls in the series who aren't a part of Issei's harem (yet).

 

[michirusan]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

He wouldn't necessarily have to reincarnate as a Devil. He might count as a Devil/human hybrid as he is a jinchuuriki and the child of a jinchuuriki. His genetics have been exposed to Demonic energy for two generations.

No. The whole peerage system is made to turn humans into demons, even the half-human/Fallen Angel Akeno became a devil/F. Angel hybrid after reincarnating.

Plus, there's the problem that most high class devils are snobs. If you watched the anime, you might not learn that most of the upper class devils often have ego problems with a elitist attitude. Considering that a brother of one of the Maou actually set up Aisa's banishment so he could later break her like he did numerous other Nuns, and that Sonia's dream of opening a ranking school for all social classes were laughed at tells you of how high class families often act.

Plus we're not taking into account any differences between Naruto-verse Bijuu and actual devils. Plus you forget that Bijuu are nothing more than a sentient mass of chakra and not and actual devil or demon.

From what I understand:
The peerage system was designed as a method to replenish the heavily diminished numbers after the battles in the past had essentially wiped out too many lines for the surviving devils to actually be able to sustain themselves.
Has there been any commentary about the fallen angel side or the divine side having the same problems, or is that never gotten into at all? if it has there very well might be methods for the other two sides to do the exact same thing, though I'd say both are far less likely if only because if the devil aristocracy can be considered snobs, the other two camps show signs of being far worse, sadly.

On the point of the Biju, If the Jubi can be considered a bestial (lit.) diety, couldn't the biju be considered closer to the fallen angels comparatively? or heck, maybe not fallen at all, merely aspected divinities, like the angels.

...and now I'm imagining a thousand Kyuubi dancing on the head of a pin...

meh, It's another one of those "these worlds don't have even remotely similar creation mythologies, stop looking for similarities to compare" issues. just make a decision and stick to it, and it'll be fine.

 

[l3fty]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

He wouldn't necessarily have to reincarnate as a Devil. He might count as a Devil/human hybrid as he is a jinchuuriki and the child of a jinchuuriki. His genetics have been exposed to Demonic energy for two generations.

No. The whole peerage system is made to turn humans into demons, even the half-human/Fallen Angel Akeno became a devil/F. Angel hybrid after reincarnating.

Plus, there's the problem that most high class devils are snobs. If you watched the anime, you might not learn that most of the upper class devils often have ego problems with a elitist attitude. Considering that a brother of one of the Maou actually set up Aisa's banishment so he could later break her like he did numerous other Nuns, and that Sonia's dream of opening a ranking school for all social classes were laughed at tells you of how high class families often act.

Plus we're not taking into account any differences between Naruto-verse Bijuu and actual devils. Plus you forget that Bijuu are nothing more than a sentient mass of chakra and not and actual devil or demon.

From what I understand:
The peerage system was designed as a method to replenish the heavily diminished numbers after the battles in the past had essentially wiped out too many lines for the surviving devils to actually be able to sustain themselves.
Has there been any commentary about the fallen angel side or the divine side having the same problems, or is that never gotten into at all? if it has there very well might be methods for the other two sides to do the exact same thing, though I'd say both are far less likely if only because if the devil aristocracy can be considered snobs, the other two camps show signs of being far worse, sadly.

On the point of the Biju, If the Jubi can be considered a bestial (lit.) diety, couldn't the biju be considered closer to the fallen angels comparatively? or heck, maybe not fallen at all, merely aspected divinities, like the angels.

...and now I'm imagining a thousand Kyuubi dancing on the head of a pin...

meh, It's another one of those "these worlds don't have even remotely similar creation mythologies, stop looking for similarities to compare" issues. just make a decision and stick to it, and it'll be fine.

As far as I understood it, pure Devils have a hard time of conceiving pure children, while Angels are downright unable to due to their current system, you have Fallen ones who fell for exactly that reason, and Akeno has Fallen Angel father and human mother.

Angels adopted Rating Game system of their own after the group negotiations and Irina became a reincarnated Angel soon after that, so they are able to get some hybrids themselves now, but I don't know if they have any ways to increase numbers of pure angels.

Then there's the whole confusion about the origin of Devils, to me at least, considering Lucifer was one of the top Arch Angels who swayed 1/3rd of the angels to his side, perhaps he modded them in this story so that they would be free of Angel system and they became Devils, which could easily fit, considering how they like to implement various new stuff for themselves.

 

[MastaofBitches]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

The Fallen Angels are capable of creating their own version of the reincarnation thing, they just don't want to. They're happy enough to be the last generation of fallen angels, but they'll still welcome any angel who falls into their ranks with open arms.

 

[Nasuren]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

Having the power of a high class Devil sadly doesn't mean much to the devils if you're not a devil yourself. It's like an Non-American citizen running for congress. In the end you must ask if the Maou can actually risk giving rank and turf to a human ignorant of their ways, let alone try to teach a human how to be a devil.

Plus there's the problem of lifespan. A full blood Uzumaki with Kurama we've seen has lived around the area of a 100 years. Devils live for thousands, IIRC, and some Angels/Fallen Angels literally existed even longer than that. Naruto would either outlive his village as a devil or live a very short life compared to his non-human friends/peerage.

 

[MastaofBitches]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

That's why I suggested having him reincarnated with a King piece. Aside from from some discrimination by a good deal of the upper class, there doesn't seem to be anything suggesting reincarnated devils can't become a King.

 

[Amberion]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

Might have something to do with power though, to little and it's a no go. I'm not the best in knowledge when it comes to that show.

BTW, what effect would a king piece have on him?

 

[MastaofBitches]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

I don't think it has one, aside from allowing the person to form a Peerage. I mean, the King is the weakest Chess piece.

 

[Nasuren]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

That's why I suggested having him reincarnated with a King piece. Aside from from some discrimination by a good deal of the upper class, there doesn't seem to be anything suggesting reincarnated devils can't become a King.

...to be a king, you need to be a top class Devil to begin with. The King is responsible for training, educating and taking care of a peerage of reincarnated humans. Naruto knows jack, probably can't teach a devil anything but Senjutsu and most likely have no real way to support peerage.

You see where I'm going with this?

 

[Dark Schneider]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

I could see some Devils offering Naruto a queen piece.:snigger:

 

[Nasuren]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

I could see some Devils offering Naruto a queen piece.:snigger:

Considering that there are some male devils that hold the position, the strongest of which is a freaking dragon, I doubt Naruto would find it a laughing matter.

 

[MastaofBitches]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

That's why I suggested having him reincarnated with a King piece. Aside from from some discrimination by a good deal of the upper class, there doesn't seem to be anything suggesting reincarnated devils can't become a King.

...to be a king, you need to be a top class Devil to begin with. The King is responsible for training, educating and taking care of a peerage of reincarnated humans. Naruto knows jack, probably can't teach a devil anything but Senjutsu and most likely have no real way to support peerage.

You see where I'm going with this?

That even if he has the power and knowledge on par with, or above, Issei, he still lacks the financial ability to support them.

Also, you're wrong about a Peerage consisting of Reincarnated humans. Akeno is half Fallen Angel, Koneko was a full blown Youkai, and Sona just recruited someone who was half-grim reaper. Plus, Sairaorg had a freaking Sacred Gear as his Pawn.

And this is ignoring that only one member of Sirzechs' peerage is formerly a human.

I could see some Devils offering Naruto a queen piece.:snigger:

Considering that there are some male devils that hold the position, the strongest of which is a freaking dragon, I doubt Naruto would find it a laughing matter.

But it's Naruto, and he can be surprisingly immature about those sorts of things, until it get's beaten into his head.

 

[Dark Schneider]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

I could see some Devils offering Naruto a queen piece.:snigger:

Considering that there are some male devils that hold the position, the strongest of which is a freaking dragon, I doubt Naruto would find it a laughing matter.

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But it's Naruto, and he can be surprisingly immature about those sorts of things, until it get's beaten into his head.
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Precisely. That part could be a lot of fun.

Also, I don't think you would have to use a peerage set to reincarnate as a Devil. I could see a scenario where Kurama cannot gain control of his power and it spontaneously changes Naruto. Or one where he gets killd by a Fallen Angel or Angel and Kurama says, "oh hell no" and forces a change on him to save his life.

Just because a peerage set is commonly used way to change them, doesn't mean it's the only one. I'm sure the Seven Demon Kings know more ways since they (their predecessors actually, but let's not quibble) came up with that way of expanding the Devil population.

 

[fuyu]

RE: Unnamed [Naruto/High School DxD]

Why does Naruto have to be turned into a devil in the first place? I believe that he's already strong enough to not need to be one. If he gets killed by a fallen angel without being nerfed somehow, he would deserve to stay dead. With the way the story is now, it sounds like he's already learned senjutsu and how to synchronize with Kurama's chakra, hence any low level grunts shouldn't be giving him any serious problems. Also, in the event that his contract should be cut, having senjutsu be lost is stupid because it isn't a technique that is totally dependent on the toads in the first place. Naruto had to learn a different method of gathering than Jiraiya because of that.