Naruto Of the Forest
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Pretty much. Though Sakura's version is classified as a jutsu whilst Tsunade's seem to be treated as a chakra-based skill like tree climbing, water walking and related abilities. Presumably Tsunade's base strength would be high too, especially given what she can do with medical jutsu, but I don't think there's any scene where it's certain she's not using chakra enhancement.
i imagine that without her chakra trick, she's probably no stronger then any other ninja in the forces. She's just a master at subtle chakra manipulation. she's a lot like Sakura, but Sakura isn't as good, and well, Sakura isn't nearly as strong without it. Tsunade is a what, 50-60 year old woman? Without her transformation up, she probably resembled the 3rd's wife in the flashback, or Chiyo (sp?).
If your looking at someone with pure body performance, now we are talking more Lee or Gai then Tsunade I think. both got that way through insane training regiments.
If your looking at someone with pure body performance, now we are talking more Lee or Gai then Tsunade I think. both got that way through insane training regiments.
Actually, IIRC most taijutsu is chakra-enhanced, like Sasuke vs Haku.
We simply aren't told this, because ninja chakra-enhancing their physical strength is the norm.
Tsunade "simply" brings it to the extreme using massive amount of medical knowledge and chakra control to maximize the effectiveness of using chakra to enhance physical prowess, instead of simply "put more chakra in your muscles" like Lee and Guy do.
For Tenten... uh... why are we talking about a Urusei Yatsura character, anyway?
We simply aren't told this, because ninja chakra-enhancing their physical strength is the norm.
Tsunade "simply" brings it to the extreme using massive amount of medical knowledge and chakra control to maximize the effectiveness of using chakra to enhance physical prowess, instead of simply "put more chakra in your muscles" like Lee and Guy do.
For Tenten... uh... why are we talking about a Urusei Yatsura character, anyway?
We covered at some point that Tsunade was mostly physical strength- the proof was the very first fight we saw her in, where she caught a skyscraper-sized sword in midair, then swung it. She just amps it up even more with chakra manipulation.
tl;dr: Tsunade enhances her already ridiculous muscles to make them better, Sakura does the chakra equivalent of putting a bomb on her fist.
tl;dr: Tsunade enhances her already ridiculous muscles to make them better, Sakura does the chakra equivalent of putting a bomb on her fist.
If you mean chakra enhancement, then yeah that's pretty much how it is. You focus your chakra in a part of your body to give them a boost. But it's not as if that removes the need to train your body since by training physically, you become stronger and faster and then chakra enhancement gives you a boost on top of that.
Whilst I do think Tsunade has a lot of physical strength, I don't really see how that's proof. She uses chakra manipulation to give her strength beyond what her body alone can achieve and I don't think there's any scene in the manga which clearly show us she's using pure physical strength. As far as we know, every feat of strength she's shown involved her chakra manipulation.
In that respect, it's possible that she has the same level of strength as, for instance, Kakashi but with her chakra trick she takes it far beyond her physical limits.
Whilst I do think Tsunade has a lot of physical strength, I don't really see how that's proof. She uses chakra manipulation to give her strength beyond what her body alone can achieve and I don't think there's any scene in the manga which clearly show us she's using pure physical strength. As far as we know, every feat of strength she's shown involved her chakra manipulation.
In that respect, it's possible that she has the same level of strength as, for instance, Kakashi but with her chakra trick she takes it far beyond her physical limits.
You're looking at this wrong. It's not 'standard strength + ridiculous chakra boost.'
We've seen what adding chakra does- it adds force. Jumping off the bridge, pushing off trees harder, creating explosions. All we've seen is chakra releases, we have never once seen augmentation- there's nothing that even says it exists.
It's more like 'ridiculous strength + some chakra release.' Remember, tsunade didn't punch the sword out of the air- she grabbed it and SWUNG IT. That's not explosive strength that we see from chakra- that's measured strength.
It's like the difference between doing a deadlift slowly and doing a deadlift by heaving it as hard as you can to pop it in the air.
We've seen what adding chakra does- it adds force. Jumping off the bridge, pushing off trees harder, creating explosions. All we've seen is chakra releases, we have never once seen augmentation- there's nothing that even says it exists.
It's more like 'ridiculous strength + some chakra release.' Remember, tsunade didn't punch the sword out of the air- she grabbed it and SWUNG IT. That's not explosive strength that we see from chakra- that's measured strength.
It's like the difference between doing a deadlift slowly and doing a deadlift by heaving it as hard as you can to pop it in the air.
Hmmm, don't think I've ever thought of it like that before. :hmm:
I figured there were two types of chakra uses going on; one where they enhance the muscles (Sasuke jumping off the bridge, Lee blocking Sasuke and the chuunin's kicks) and the other where you release the chakra from your body with precise timing (Sakura's speed boost against Ino). Probaby because of the way they talked about it respectively. Sasuke "focused chakra to/in his legs" and then seemed to jump while Sakura concentrated "all her chakra to her feet and exploded off the ground".
Edit: And there's the Shunshin which uses chakra to give the body a physical boost.
I figured there were two types of chakra uses going on; one where they enhance the muscles (Sasuke jumping off the bridge, Lee blocking Sasuke and the chuunin's kicks) and the other where you release the chakra from your body with precise timing (Sakura's speed boost against Ino). Probaby because of the way they talked about it respectively. Sasuke "focused chakra to/in his legs" and then seemed to jump while Sakura concentrated "all her chakra to her feet and exploded off the ground".
Edit: And there's the Shunshin which uses chakra to give the body a physical boost.
Do remember, Kabuto specifically targeted two muscles in Tsunade's arms to prevent her from using her enormous strength. If it was simple chakra manipulation, I don't think cutting them up would work very well, since she could still use her arms.
Alos, that skyscraper-sized tanto was stuck in in ground. Tsunade somehow uprooted it, swung it over her head and slammed it straight down through Manda's mouth with enough force to prevent him from being able to even open it.
Alos, that skyscraper-sized tanto was stuck in in ground. Tsunade somehow uprooted it, swung it over her head and slammed it straight down through Manda's mouth with enough force to prevent him from being able to even open it.
Tsunade's super strength was explicitly stated to be a chakra control technique.
Between when Kabuto attacked her and when she lifted Bunta's tanto, she had used her Genesis Rebirth technique.
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It is possible that she may even have less physical strength than Kakashi. To a ninja, this does not matter. This is a manga where an old man with back problems can fly around and smash things up. That's just the kind of story this is.
Between when Kabuto attacked her and when she lifted Bunta's tanto, she had used her Genesis Rebirth technique.
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It is possible that she may even have less physical strength than Kakashi. To a ninja, this does not matter. This is a manga where an old man with back problems can fly around and smash things up. That's just the kind of story this is.
So back on topic, I brainstormed a few bijuu-related plot lines:
1) Given how the Wind Daimyo is continually handing over mission to Konoha, Team 7 get sent on a mission to Wind Country. Due to some misfortune he ends up crossing paths with Gaara prior to the Chuunin Exams and is the way of things, they come into conflict. This reveals Naruto's Mokuton and possible has an effect on the close connection between Gaara and Shukaku. His powers wouldn't be affected but it could essentially create a buffer between their minds thanks to the nature of their seal, which could serve to calm Gaara down or actually make him more unstable. I thought it could be interesting if Naruto heard Gaara's life philosophy and then made a deal with him so that the next person he has to kill is Naruto himself. So between then and the Chuunin Exams, Gaara doesn't kill anyone and has Naruto as his main target to prove his existence.
2) Another idea I had would be that Naruto goes to Waterfall and meets Fu. It's likely that she was one of the jinchuuriki who hated people so Naruto will undoubtedly get himself involved with her. The main point is that they develop good relations. And then Kakuzu is assigned to capturing her since he was originally from Waterfall and would be the most capable of handling the village. Naruto is probably there at the time and Kakuzu gets to meet the second holder of the Mokuton. Conflict ensures with Kakuzu's victory, leading to Fu being taken away and killed. Naturally, Naruto finds this upsetting and kicks off a personal vendetta against the Akatsuki member.
3) Roushi has been living on the road for a fairly long while so he could end up meeting Naruto entirely by accident. This would probably be a good opportunity for Naruto to meet someone who's both knowledge in the bijuu and has significant personal experience. Though how well received he would be is up in the air. If Roushi recognises and cares about Naruto's heritage then that could add some conflict to their meeting and they're both stubborn people as well.
4) Going with the idea that Yagura was killed prior to canon, it could be discovered that the Sanbi has returned. So there's basically a bijuu running around in the wild, currently unaffiliated with any of the villages. Depending on where it comes back, it could easily lead to different villages and groups attempting to find it and seal themselves. Naruto would obviously be sent along to suppress the bijuu and depending on how aware the world is of his abilities, this could be expected. That, or you could have Naruto get involved with Yagura and Kiri at the some point which later leads to this scenario.
1) Given how the Wind Daimyo is continually handing over mission to Konoha, Team 7 get sent on a mission to Wind Country. Due to some misfortune he ends up crossing paths with Gaara prior to the Chuunin Exams and is the way of things, they come into conflict. This reveals Naruto's Mokuton and possible has an effect on the close connection between Gaara and Shukaku. His powers wouldn't be affected but it could essentially create a buffer between their minds thanks to the nature of their seal, which could serve to calm Gaara down or actually make him more unstable. I thought it could be interesting if Naruto heard Gaara's life philosophy and then made a deal with him so that the next person he has to kill is Naruto himself. So between then and the Chuunin Exams, Gaara doesn't kill anyone and has Naruto as his main target to prove his existence.
2) Another idea I had would be that Naruto goes to Waterfall and meets Fu. It's likely that she was one of the jinchuuriki who hated people so Naruto will undoubtedly get himself involved with her. The main point is that they develop good relations. And then Kakuzu is assigned to capturing her since he was originally from Waterfall and would be the most capable of handling the village. Naruto is probably there at the time and Kakuzu gets to meet the second holder of the Mokuton. Conflict ensures with Kakuzu's victory, leading to Fu being taken away and killed. Naturally, Naruto finds this upsetting and kicks off a personal vendetta against the Akatsuki member.
3) Roushi has been living on the road for a fairly long while so he could end up meeting Naruto entirely by accident. This would probably be a good opportunity for Naruto to meet someone who's both knowledge in the bijuu and has significant personal experience. Though how well received he would be is up in the air. If Roushi recognises and cares about Naruto's heritage then that could add some conflict to their meeting and they're both stubborn people as well.
4) Going with the idea that Yagura was killed prior to canon, it could be discovered that the Sanbi has returned. So there's basically a bijuu running around in the wild, currently unaffiliated with any of the villages. Depending on where it comes back, it could easily lead to different villages and groups attempting to find it and seal themselves. Naruto would obviously be sent along to suppress the bijuu and depending on how aware the world is of his abilities, this could be expected. That, or you could have Naruto get involved with Yagura and Kiri at the some point which later leads to this scenario.
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Well, yes. Since HE had the mokuton, there was a decent chance some of his children\greandchildren\whatever would develop it, as well.
We actually KNOW he must have left something like that, because Tenzo used the First's own Biju-containing jutsu, not exactly something he could have come with by himself
We actually KNOW he must have left something like that, because Tenzo used the First's own Biju-containing jutsu, not exactly something he could have come with by himself
Information that could have come from Hiruzen, the Elders or other knowledgeable individuals. I was just wondering whether he'd bother when he's the first one to have, his clan seems to have dissimilated which was probably intentional and his children didn't seem to have it. And he might have simply died before he got the chance.
So it's probably more likely that he left a scroll or book behind about the Mokuton but it's possible not such thing exist.
So it's probably more likely that he left a scroll or book behind about the Mokuton but it's possible not such thing exist.
Unless he taught them for some weird reason even if they aren't able to use mokuton for not being related to him, doubt they'd be able to give him the information, and even so doubt they'd be able to explain it properly, not being able to do it themselves to really know how it is done. Really, him writing instructions somewhere in case the ability resurfaced down the line or it being just instictive to be able to make the Mokuton do it are the two options that really do most sense.