Pacific Rim
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It's not an EVA rip-off. It's a Hollywood version of the Giant-Mecha/Kaiju conflict that swept over Japan ever since someone thought: "You know what's AWESOME? GIANT ROBOTS FIGHTING THREE HUNDRED FEET OF TEETH!"
Everyone has to stop thinking Mecha/Kaiju conflicts started with EVA. It only shows how narrow-minded your views are. If anything it's got more in relation with the Mazinger series, and Gipsy Danger looks like an Americanized version of Tetsujin 28.
Everyone has to stop thinking Mecha/Kaiju conflicts started with EVA. It only shows how narrow-minded your views are. If anything it's got more in relation with the Mazinger series, and Gipsy Danger looks like an Americanized version of Tetsujin 28.
Actually the voice won't sound much like GLaDOS at all. Qen Tarantino wanted to have Ellen McLain in the film, because he thought she was an awesome voice actor, and put her voice through the same synthesizer that gave her the signature GLaDOS voice to give her recognition by letting people know that she is in the film. However, her final voice will sound little like GLaDOS. She's still voicing the A.I., though.
Anyway, a new trailer showed up at Wondercon. While the entire trailer is awesome, the ending is what sells it, seeing one of the Jeagers dragging a goddamned oil tanker in one hand, then beating a Kaiju upside the head with it like a goddamned baseball bat!
[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef6vQBGqLW8[/video]
The new tagline is also epic.
GO BIG, OR GO EXTINCT
Anyway, a new trailer showed up at Wondercon. While the entire trailer is awesome, the ending is what sells it, seeing one of the Jeagers dragging a goddamned oil tanker in one hand, then beating a Kaiju upside the head with it like a goddamned baseball bat!
[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef6vQBGqLW8[/video]
The new tagline is also epic.
GO BIG, OR GO EXTINCT
I couldn't care less for the dialogue, but Raleigh's voice is awesome. Also, I like Gipsy Danger, but would've liked Coyote Tango to be a bit more present since it was my favourite out of all the ones shown. Don't judge me, bro: I like me some shoulder cannons. I do wonder who the antagonists are for the sequel. My guess is that there'll be some kind of Global Civil War what with all the riots going on and the rich and influential getting given the middle finger for their "efforts".
A Jaeger vs Jaeger fight would be awesome to see, or even a Jaeger/Kaiju free-for-all.
A Jaeger vs Jaeger fight would be awesome to see, or even a Jaeger/Kaiju free-for-all.
Anyone read through the "negative reviews" for Pacific Rim? I mean, there are character-driven critics and plot-driven critics voicing their concerns with the quality here and there, which I can accept, but most of the reviews read like... they haven't even seen the movie, or don't like the movie because they don't like the Giant Robot/Kaiju genre in general.
I'm all for criticism but for twenty or so of them it just reeks of "I haven't seen this movie but it sucks because I don't like it". I read this review about Pacific Rim that criticized the pace of the plot and characters, which she was focused on for most of her reviews and from a point of view you can see where she's coming from, but for those guys... wow, did they even pay for a ticket?
I'm all for criticism but for twenty or so of them it just reeks of "I haven't seen this movie but it sucks because I don't like it". I read this review about Pacific Rim that criticized the pace of the plot and characters, which she was focused on for most of her reviews and from a point of view you can see where she's coming from, but for those guys... wow, did they even pay for a ticket?
I spent the last of whatever money I had for the week just to watch this movie.
I thought it would be a let down, despite my overall enthusiasm, but this movie ROCKED.
That...is just fucking stupid. Like, why the hell would you make a review if you never even saw the movie? Whoever made this obviously biased reviews are morons.
I thought it would be a let down, despite my overall enthusiasm, but this movie ROCKED.
That...is just fucking stupid. Like, why the hell would you make a review if you never even saw the movie? Whoever made this obviously biased reviews are morons.
You should read the MovieJuice guy's review. It's like he went in expecting Pan's Labyrinth 2. The whole review screams of the modern iteration of the word "hipster" and lambasting Del Toro for doing the movie instead of the aforementioned film.
Also, he said, in so many words "Why must there be giant robots" instead of other conventional weaponry to combat the monsters?
I kind of laughed my ass out of my chair when I read that particular collection of sentences.
The guy lost the plot for good right there.
Also, he said, in so many words "Why must there be giant robots" instead of other conventional weaponry to combat the monsters?
I kind of laughed my ass out of my chair when I read that particular collection of sentences.
The guy lost the plot for good right there.
The sad thing is that the movie answered his questions.
Conventional Weaponry didn't work past Category 2 Kaiju, was more of a death by bee-stings or straight up nuke and made a mess because the Kaiju were toxic and shooting off small pieces of them everywhere was a bad idea.
Seriously, there should be a rule that professional critics have to at least study movie genres before critiquing and at least pay attention to the film when it goes into the sciencey bits.
Conventional Weaponry didn't work past Category 2 Kaiju, was more of a death by bee-stings or straight up nuke and made a mess because the Kaiju were toxic and shooting off small pieces of them everywhere was a bad idea.
Seriously, there should be a rule that professional critics have to at least study movie genres before critiquing and at least pay attention to the film when it goes into the sciencey bits.
That's technically the big problem with the whole giant robot concept in general, one of the main reasons I don't usually bother with mecha shows. Because as awesome as it sounds on paper to have giant robots with plasma guns and chest missiles with heat exhaust and coolant frosting capabilities for those that enjoy that sort of thing, fact of the matter is ultimately it'd be a hell of a lot more efficient and WAY cheaper to just make conventional devices upgraded with those new weapon advancements than it every would be to try and shoehorn it into an awkward as hell humanoid shape.
Not just from a robotics perspective of needing to get it to even be able to balance itself when doing all that shit, but also from a design perspective considering weight factors, need for absurd durability and fail-safes for certain levels of damage while also factoring in the need for speed and fast response time in crunch moments, etc... It'd just be plain smarter to make shittons of potentially automated or remote controlled and equally durable tanks, boats, fighter planes, choppers, and hell even firetrucks with all that shit long before you try to make something as stupidly inefficient and expensive and time consuming as a giant humanoid bot.
But sadly that's the price of admission for your suspension of disbelief when it comes to mecha as a genre. Hence why I only ever bother with the genre if if sufficiently crazy awesome enough or something else like epic looking giant monsters draws me in. Luckily this movie had both.
Though I still wanted my Rocket Elbow Fired Plasma Sword. D:<
Not just from a robotics perspective of needing to get it to even be able to balance itself when doing all that shit, but also from a design perspective considering weight factors, need for absurd durability and fail-safes for certain levels of damage while also factoring in the need for speed and fast response time in crunch moments, etc... It'd just be plain smarter to make shittons of potentially automated or remote controlled and equally durable tanks, boats, fighter planes, choppers, and hell even firetrucks with all that shit long before you try to make something as stupidly inefficient and expensive and time consuming as a giant humanoid bot.
But sadly that's the price of admission for your suspension of disbelief when it comes to mecha as a genre. Hence why I only ever bother with the genre if if sufficiently crazy awesome enough or something else like epic looking giant monsters draws me in. Luckily this movie had both.
Though I still wanted my Rocket Elbow Fired Plasma Sword. D:<
Your complaints were answered, if you paid any attention. They acknowledge that conventional weaponry is hardly effective against Kaiju, and it causes them to bleed out poison. Therefore, blunt force trauma via giant robot was how they chose to deal with it. After all, what causes more blood? Shooting someone to pieces or snapping their spine?
No, they didn't go with Blunt force trauma. Name me a single Kaiju they slayed purely with blunt force in the entire movie. Here's a hint, they kinda didn't. Not a spine was snapped far as I recall either.
Now Shooting someone to pieces? That actually happened, when they shot the hell out of the EMP Kaiju with their plasma shots. Not only that they went out of their way to shoot it up even more just to (wisely) make sure it was dead, showing a lovely scene of its fluids flowing out of the massive hole they created. And blowing shit up, a tactic that would also cause pieces to fly all over the place, they tried that on the last two Kaiju. Granted one survived, but they still blew two of them to hell to try to take them out.
Hell, let's start looking at the specific weapons on these jaegers now, starting with the fast Jaegers freaking CHEST ROCKETS. That's certainly a tactic clearly not able to be put on any tank that would kill a Kaiju cleanly and effectively not spilling any fluids anywhere, no chance of that no sir. And let's not get into slicing shit up with sword or hand dangers, that certainly won't cause them to bleed out any poison now will it?
Hell, the Chinese Jaeger's entire thing was to spin around with its three buzzsaws against the monsters, that certainly wouldn't cause it to bleed out will it? Or how about ripping pieces off the Kaiju, certainly that won't get any of their bodly fluids anywhere now will it? Granted they did that to get rid of the EMP and Acid sacs, but that's still ripping shit off of them.
Seriously, there's very little reason their main weapons of Plasma Cannons or Chest rockets couldn't have been just slapped on a bunch of big tanks or something. Were it actually blunt force that they were using to slay the monsters, you might have had a point, but you lost the arguement the minute you said it needed to be done by blunt force. They didn't slay a single Kaiju with pure blunt force in this movie.
Now Shooting someone to pieces? That actually happened, when they shot the hell out of the EMP Kaiju with their plasma shots. Not only that they went out of their way to shoot it up even more just to (wisely) make sure it was dead, showing a lovely scene of its fluids flowing out of the massive hole they created. And blowing shit up, a tactic that would also cause pieces to fly all over the place, they tried that on the last two Kaiju. Granted one survived, but they still blew two of them to hell to try to take them out.
Hell, let's start looking at the specific weapons on these jaegers now, starting with the fast Jaegers freaking CHEST ROCKETS. That's certainly a tactic clearly not able to be put on any tank that would kill a Kaiju cleanly and effectively not spilling any fluids anywhere, no chance of that no sir. And let's not get into slicing shit up with sword or hand dangers, that certainly won't cause them to bleed out any poison now will it?
Hell, the Chinese Jaeger's entire thing was to spin around with its three buzzsaws against the monsters, that certainly wouldn't cause it to bleed out will it? Or how about ripping pieces off the Kaiju, certainly that won't get any of their bodly fluids anywhere now will it? Granted they did that to get rid of the EMP and Acid sacs, but that's still ripping shit off of them.
Seriously, there's very little reason their main weapons of Plasma Cannons or Chest rockets couldn't have been just slapped on a bunch of big tanks or something. Were it actually blunt force that they were using to slay the monsters, you might have had a point, but you lost the arguement the minute you said it needed to be done by blunt force. They didn't slay a single Kaiju with pure blunt force in this movie.
I respect your opinion and your views on the matter, man, but I got what I wanted from a giant robot movie.
I got drama kept to a minimum, no unnecessary romance subplots, no stupid teenagers and a boat sword. I consider that money well spent and money good for another round. Also, Tetsujin 28-inspired robots and Mazinger Z's general plot, so no loss there.
Also, I wanted the Mexican Jaeger and Danny Trejo kicking ass, but you can't get everything.
By the way, why the Hell are people still calling Pacific Rim an Evangelion rip-off? How fucking ignorant can these pricks get? It's a homage to all the robot anime and kaiju disaster movies the crew watched when they were kids, man. There's going to be BOATLOADS of references.
Gipsy Danger's design is pretty much a homage to Tetsujin-28, being blue, top-heavy and you can even see it during its first battle when its arms were raised up high. The plot of monsters coming from an alien locale and attacking populated areas and the "pilot in the head, detachable", as well as the "elbow rocket"? That's Mazinger Z! The monster designs themselves took inspiration and gave tribute to the classic Kaiju costumes of Ultraman and the likes of Godzilla and his sister-franchises; not to mention sharing a thing or two in common with Getter Robo's invasion style!
The only things closely resembling Evangelion in the film is Mako Mori's (Oh my sweet) highlighted hair in blue and the pilots "drifting".
How the Hell do these guys call it an Evangelion rip-off right off the bat?
I got drama kept to a minimum, no unnecessary romance subplots, no stupid teenagers and a boat sword. I consider that money well spent and money good for another round. Also, Tetsujin 28-inspired robots and Mazinger Z's general plot, so no loss there.
Also, I wanted the Mexican Jaeger and Danny Trejo kicking ass, but you can't get everything.
By the way, why the Hell are people still calling Pacific Rim an Evangelion rip-off? How fucking ignorant can these pricks get? It's a homage to all the robot anime and kaiju disaster movies the crew watched when they were kids, man. There's going to be BOATLOADS of references.
Gipsy Danger's design is pretty much a homage to Tetsujin-28, being blue, top-heavy and you can even see it during its first battle when its arms were raised up high. The plot of monsters coming from an alien locale and attacking populated areas and the "pilot in the head, detachable", as well as the "elbow rocket"? That's Mazinger Z! The monster designs themselves took inspiration and gave tribute to the classic Kaiju costumes of Ultraman and the likes of Godzilla and his sister-franchises; not to mention sharing a thing or two in common with Getter Robo's invasion style!
The only things closely resembling Evangelion in the film is Mako Mori's (Oh my sweet) highlighted hair in blue and the pilots "drifting".
How the Hell do these guys call it an Evangelion rip-off right off the bat?
Nah, that's my criticism on the entire Mecha Genre as a whole. It just never makes more sense than just slapping all that weapon shit on tanks or some other more sensible vehicle, baring some very stupid LOLNO force at work or just fully embracing the absurdity. All that aside, going into a Mecha movie fully aware to give them their Unicorn in the Garden premise, Pacific Rim was Solid all through. Needed to flesh out the other two Jaeger's more certainly, but that was some of the best action bits I've seen in a very long time.
That said there seemed to be a slight romance thing between the lead and Mako. Granted never directly referenced, which I give the movie FULL props for, fully tired of shoehorned romance bullshit as I am. However that scene with her and the door (Both times) and his little speech to her near the end made me feel like they were doing all kinds of behind the scenes shit in the drift.
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That said there seemed to be a slight romance thing between the lead and Mako. Granted never directly referenced, which I give the movie FULL props for, fully tired of shoehorned romance bullshit as I am. However that scene with her and the door (Both times) and his little speech to her near the end made me feel like they were doing all kinds of behind the scenes shit in the drift.
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