Harry Potter Questions of canon events...

Pirazy

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Lord Raine said:
Pirazy said:
Yeah, who would expect the Weasley blood traitors of working for Dumbledore's side?

;)
You're confusing spies with sympathizers.
I don't think Voldemort makes a distinction, they're equally fucked.
 
Pirazy said:
Lord Raine said:
Pirazy said:
Yeah, who would expect the Weasley blood traitors of working for Dumbledore's side?

;)
You're confusing spies with sympathizers.
I don't think Voldemort makes a distinction, they're equally fucked.
Yeah, this. Voldemort isn't exactly known for being all that forgiving of people not bowing to his every mad whim.
 

Lord Raine

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It's not a matter of "forgiving." It's a matter of "who he's paying attention to the most."


Also, can anyone name the chapter for when Dumbledore talks to Harry about how prophecies aren't valid in HBP? It's the one where he tells Harry what his greatest virtues are, and admits that his own greatest weakness is his fondness for power. I know it's there, but I remember where.
 

pidl

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Lord Raine said:
It's not a matter of "forgiving." It's a matter of "who he's paying attention to the most."


Also, can anyone name the chapter for when Dumbledore talks to Harry about how prophecies aren't valid in HBP? It's the one where he tells Harry what his greatest virtues are, and admits that his own greatest weakness is his fondness for power. I know it's there, but I remember where.
I think the one you're looking for is chapter 23: Horcruxes.
 

MTing

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<a href='http://www.surveillance-and-society.org/articles2%282%29/editorial.pdf' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.surveillance-and-society.org/ar...9/editorial.pdf</a>

"How many cameras this translates to is impossible to accurately measure, although in 1999
Norris and Armstrong estimated that, in an urban environment, on a busy day, a person could
have their image captured by over 300 cameras on thirty separate CCTV systems (1999: Ch.3)."

How is it that CCTV's have never captured Wizard's or Witches? Especially during the time when Voldemort was crazy active in destroying things, like bridges and West country.

Remember, Harry, Hermione and Ron apparated onto Tottenham Court Road. If you look up the street, you'll see that its in Central London which means CCTV. If you read chapter 9, you'll also notice that they just appeared onto a Central London street. How did that not raise flags?
 

e39042

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MTing said:
<a href='http://www.surveillance-and-society.org/articles2%282%29/editorial.pdf' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.surveillance-and-society.org/ar...9/editorial.pdf</a>

"How many cameras this translates to is impossible to accurately measure, although in 1999
Norris and Armstrong estimated that, in an urban environment, on a busy day, a person could
have their image captured by over 300 cameras on thirty separate CCTV systems (1999: Ch.3)."

How is it that CCTV's have never captured Wizard's or Witches? Especially during the time when Voldemort was crazy active in destroying things, like bridges and West country.

Remember, Harry, Hermione and Ron apparated onto Tottenham Court Road. If you look up the street, you'll see that its in Central London which means CCTV. If you read chapter 9, you'll also notice that they just appeared onto a Central London street. How did that not raise flags?
Just because it's being recorded doesn't necessarily mean it's being observed. That's why CCTV footage is reviewed when a crime is known to have been committed within a certain time frame in a certain location. If everything was being noticed in real time then that wouldn't be necessary except for collecting video as evidence for courts. This isn't the case. CCTV is used after the fact in the detective process as well.

There's also the fact that people would look for an explanation for how two people suddenly appeared out of nowhere on the film in the case of your apparation example. People will explain such an occurrence away as hacking, frame skipping, or any other far more plausible explanations before they settle on magic. As for Voldemort's battles, it's highly likely that the concentration of residual magic in the air from a battle or an impressive piece of magic would be enough to damage a camera. Magic disrupts technology after all.

In short: big brother is watching, but he's not paying very close attention until someone tells him to, and magic fucks up technology, so it might not matter that he is anyway.
 

seitora

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With regards to the Fidelius, aside from the absolutely horrible plot-hole of the secret-keeper being able to stay in the place protected by the Fidelius, is there anything protecting the secret from necessarily being tortured out of the secret-keeper?

Like, I see so many fics where somebody finds out Peter was the secret-keeper and automatically it's all "omg Peter was the traitor!" but why couldn't the rationale have been

--> Sirius tells Voldemort Peter is the secret-keeper
--> Death Eaters kidnap Peter, Voldemort tortures Peter for the secret
--> Voldemort goes to kill the Potters while Peter is kept alive, Voldemort gets offed
--> Peter escapes in the ensuing confusion among the Death Eaters, only to get tracked down by Sirius who tries to avenge the death of his supposed master?
 
seitora said:
With regards to the Fidelius, aside from the absolutely horrible plot-hole of the secret-keeper being able to stay in the place protected by the Fidelius, is there anything protecting the secret from necessarily being tortured out of the secret-keeper?

Like, I see so many fics where somebody finds out Peter was the secret-keeper and automatically it's all "omg Peter was the traitor!" but why couldn't the rationale have been

--> Sirius tells Voldemort Peter is the secret-keeper
--> Death Eaters kidnap Peter, Voldemort tortures Peter for the secret
--> Voldemort goes to kill the Potters while Peter is kept alive, Voldemort gets offed
--> Peter escapes in the ensuing confusion among the Death Eaters, only to get tracked down by Sirius who tries to avenge the death of his supposed master?
There's a few fics where they assume Peter and/or Sirius must have been tortured or Imperioed into giving up the secret, including one where James's memories as of his death go to Seventh Year James, and Lily and the Marauders all assume that Sirius was tortured to find out who the secret keeper was, and then Peter was tortured for the secret - even Seventh Year Peter clearly thinks this, as he isn't yet someone who could see himself betraying his friends.

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2565609/108/Odd-Ideas' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Pretty sure it's this one</a>, from Rorschach's Blot's Odd Ideas file.

EDIT: Yeah, that's the one. Peter even takes a dangerous step to change how he turns out.
 
Does Draco, or anyone else, ever use 'whore' as an insult in canon? He uses it in a number of fanfics, often prefaced by one of his canon insults, like mudblood, but I can't remember whether the word 'whore', or any similar word, is ever used in canon, much less as often as some fanfic writers have Malfoy use it.
 
Prince Charon said:
Does Draco, or anyone else, ever use 'whore' as an insult in canon? He uses it in a number of fanfics, often prefaced by one of his canon insults, like mudblood, but I can't remember whether the word 'whore', or any similar word, is ever used in canon, much less as often as some fanfic writers have Malfoy use it.
No, it would have been cut by censors if he had.
 
Which Horcrux came first- the ring or the diary?
 
The Archfiend of Lightning said:
Which Horcrux came first- the ring or the diary?
Similar time frames, but I would assume the diary if only because it's not a rare object. It's precious to Voldemort certainly, but if he had better choices he would have taken it.
 
I've been thinking about this lately. If I remember correctly, it was Halloween when the students were first able to put the Levitation Charm to use. Thats one of the simplest spells in the fandom.

Dafuq were they doing in that class for those first two months?

Hell, besides the standard Matchstick > Needle in transfiguration, what did they learn in first year?
 

Estrecca

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The Archfiend of Lightning said:
Hell, besides the standard Matchstick > Needle in transfiguration, what did they learn in first year?
Charms: Unknown, other than Wingardium Leviosa, but the exam involved making a pineapple dance.

Herbology: They were told about certain dangerous plants, but didn't work with them until second year.

Transfiguration: Apparently, animal into inanimate transfiguration with the exam involving transformation of a mouse into a snuffbox.

Defense was Quirrell. History was Binns. Both useless, in all likelyhood.

Snape started them with simple stuff like boil cures and tested them in the exam with one "Forgetfulness potion".

And that seems to be it, from canon.
 
There was also the Leg-Locker (Jinx? Curse?), "Locomotor Mortis".
 

Dunstan

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And I guess you could count stuff you learn in first year on pottermore as canon. :huh.:
 

Shiakou

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The stuff they learn isn't really covered unless it's a plot point or serves to flesh out the wizarding world. The same thing happens in Negima where, if you stick to canon, Negi doesn't teach his class much.
 
I haven't really been reading many Harry Potter fics till just recently, and I came across a couple fics that talked about a Wizard's "magic core", Now I know about Wand Cores, but the context seem to be referring to something more like a Linker Core from Nanoha. I tried to see if I could find info on it from the HPWiki but all I got was Wand Cores and I don't recall a "Magic Core" ever being mentioned in the books (though to be fair it's been awhile since I read the books...). So anyways are magic cores fanon or canon?
 

pidl

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Chaotic Symbolism said:
I haven't really been reading many Harry Potter fics till just recently, and I came across a couple fics that talked about a Wizard's "magic core", Now I know about Wand Cores, but the context seem to be referring to something more like a Linker Core from Nanoha. I tried to see if I could find info on it from the HPWiki but all I got was Wand Cores and I don't recall a "Magic Core" ever being mentioned in the books (though to be fair it's been awhile since I read the books...). So anyways are magic cores fanon or canon?
Pure, 100% fanon.

Fic writers use it to show how super-mega-ultra-hyper powerful Harry is compared to other lesser characters, not realising it's the complete opposite of the themes in canon.

Similarly, 'magical maturity' is fanon as well. As is the Potters' will and 1000 other things people use to bash characters.
 
pidl said:
Chaotic Symbolism said:
I haven't really been reading many Harry Potter fics till just recently, and I came across a couple fics that talked about a Wizard's "magic core", Now I know about Wand Cores, but the context seem to be referring to something more like a Linker Core from Nanoha. I tried to see if I could find info on it from the HPWiki but all I got was Wand Cores and I don't recall a "Magic Core" ever being mentioned in the books (though to be fair it's been awhile since I read the books...). So anyways are magic cores fanon or canon?
Pure, 100% fanon.

Fic writers use it to show how super-mega-ultra-hyper powerful Harry is compared to other lesser characters, not realising it's the complete opposite of the themes in canon.

Similarly, 'magical maturity' is fanon as well. As is the Potters' will and 1000 other things people use to bash characters.
This. There was never any real mention that I can remember of any wizard being outright more powerful than any other wizard in terms of how much magic they had. I've never seen magical exhaustion come up anywhere.


Only thing I CAN remember was something something willpower and actual knowledge of spells.
 
pidl said:
Chaotic Symbolism said:
I haven't really been reading many Harry Potter fics till just recently, and I came across a couple fics that talked about a Wizard's "magic core", Now I know about Wand Cores, but the context seem to be referring to something more like a Linker Core from Nanoha. I tried to see if I could find info on it from the HPWiki but all I got was Wand Cores and I don't recall a "Magic Core" ever being mentioned in the books (though to be fair it's been awhile since I read the books...). So anyways are magic cores fanon or canon?
Pure, 100% fanon.

Fic writers use it to show how super-mega-ultra-hyper powerful Harry is compared to other lesser characters, not realising it's the complete opposite of the themes in canon.

Similarly, 'magical maturity' is fanon as well. As is the Potters' will and 1000 other things people use to bash characters.
To be fair at least the idea of the Potters leaving a will is at least plausible.
 
Chaotic Symbolism said:
pidl said:
Chaotic Symbolism said:
I haven't really been reading many Harry Potter fics till just recently, and I came across a couple fics that talked about a Wizard's "magic core", Now I know about Wand Cores, but the context seem to be referring to something more like a Linker Core from Nanoha. I tried to see if I could find info on it from the HPWiki but all I got was Wand Cores and I don't recall a "Magic Core" ever being mentioned in the books (though to be fair it's been awhile since I read the books...). So anyways are magic cores fanon or canon?
Pure, 100% fanon.

Fic writers use it to show how super-mega-ultra-hyper powerful Harry is compared to other lesser characters, not realising it's the complete opposite of the themes in canon.

Similarly, 'magical maturity' is fanon as well. As is the Potters' will and 1000 other things people use to bash characters.
To be fair at least the idea of the Potters leaving a will is at least plausible.
This. Even Sirius apparently had a will, seeing as how he left everything to Harry.

Which is why I imagine Dumbledore bashers love using this one.
 

esran

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yeah, magical exhaustion and the like is pure fannon. in cannon several times characters make note of things that seem to suggest some kind of magical aptitude, such as fake moody saying that the students wouldnt be able to cast the unforgivables because of something about a "powerful bit of magic behind them" or something like that, but even thats later explained as having to "mean" your spells. theres no reason an 11 year who practiced enough wouldnt be able to cast the most powerful spell he knows over and over agian all day without getting tired.
 

pidl

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Chaotic Symbolism said:
pidl said:
Chaotic Symbolism said:
I haven't really been reading many Harry Potter fics till just recently, and I came across a couple fics that talked about a Wizard's "magic core", Now I know about Wand Cores, but the context seem to be referring to something more like a Linker Core from Nanoha. I tried to see if I could find info on it from the HPWiki but all I got was Wand Cores and I don't recall a "Magic Core" ever being mentioned in the books (though to be fair it's been awhile since I read the books...). So anyways are magic cores fanon or canon?
Pure, 100% fanon.

Fic writers use it to show how super-mega-ultra-hyper powerful Harry is compared to other lesser characters, not realising it's the complete opposite of the themes in canon.

Similarly, 'magical maturity' is fanon as well. As is the Potters' will and 1000 other things people use to bash characters.
To be fair at least the idea of the Potters leaving a will is at least plausible.
Having a will might be plausible, but having it say Harry should never go to the Dursleys is not. LV was after Harry, not after his parents. There was absolutely no reason for his parents to assume that they would get killed yet Harry would somehow survive.
 
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