Relationship ideas

[Akiyoshi]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Lol i never implied Chrono isn't able to fight off Vita. I know how capable he is but to going as far as label him "uncrushable" is exaggerating things. Chrono may be skilled enough to outsmart and beat her in an ocassional fight but if Vita get to land a single strike with all her power it will be game over for him. Heck, the guy wasn't even able to pass trough Zafira with one of his ultimate attacks (Stinger Blade - Execution Shift) let alone be able to get trough Panzerhindernis. The same with Fate he managed to defeat her taking advantage of her innocence because the girl easily towers over Chrono in terms of Raw power.

By the way, if we get by your route, Chrono should do more than just beat Vita to earn that kind of respect from her, several people has been able to hand her ass to her in the franchise (heck it happens at least once per season xDU) ...but so far Vita has never got any kind of attachement nor such kind of respect for any of them (not even Nanoha xDU). So i don't buy she got to respect Chrono just because he won a fight against her. Vita is not that guillible.

 

[Kireen]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Made it in a pretty humiliating way? made a bet with her and won? There are lots of possibilities.

And as for what we know about Chrono strenght, that's pretty limited, his fight time in the series is quite short, and as for the Stinger Blades some passed through Zafira barrier, but as I see it it's just a normal shooting spell (like a photon lancer) with a ton of bolts, I don't think that is his best attack. We are not clearly sure of what he's capable when he goes all out.

 

[Akiyoshi]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Beating Vita in a pretty humilliating way will earn her scorn, not humble and formal respect like we witnessed in the Gears of Destiny. Plus, Chrono doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who brags about his victory, in fact he considers himself one of the weaker members of the main cast, also we had a good showing of his abilities when he was trashing Precia's robots on Season one and given that he hasn't received ANY upgrades sans the Durandal we could assume that's more or less the utmost power he can display. again, don't get me worng, Chrono is pretty badass, but part of his character is that he manages to trump obstacles and superior foes due to his great skill earned trough effort and dedication instead of natural talent and raw power like most other members of the cast. And that's completely besides the point as i mentioned, even if he wins against Vita that's not enough to earn such kind of respect and formality from her, Zest mopped the floor with her UNISONED FORM but she doesn't seem to have any kind of special attachment to his memory (Signum is the one who got attached to him), Nanoha bested her not once but twice during A's and it took a suitable amount of years after that to ease around her, Curren Huckebein beats her in one hit! Not even paying attention to her, right after impalling Hayate ...by your logic she should feel the utmost respect for Curren Huckebein, and so far the only we get from Vita is a very healthy sense of waryness towards the Huckebein.

If i really wanted to follow your reasoning i could guess Chrono fought Vita, bested her but also helped her to realize something important, get some useful knowledge that proven key into allowing her to achieving something important or maybe Chrono praised her strenght as a knight with the proper modesty as to point out where points she can get better at. You already mention it, Vita is a hothead when things tend to go badly for her, her natural reaction to an opponent who brags superiority will be to try harder in order to smash him ...not to treat it formally and with due respect ...unless the situation forces said reaction but even then it's different. Take an example of how she treated the Lieze Twins within the same storyline, Vita tried her best to be respectfull and formal but the tension was very clear and she and Lotte quickly went down to arguing. The formality and respect shown in front of Chrono felt more sincere by comparission.

 

[Andarion]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Just a guess but maybe... Chrono simply treated her seriously? One of Vita's main problems with Nanoha was that the girl treated her like a little kid. A lot of people treat Vita like that. If Chrono treated her seriously, like a capable and experienced combatant then she might warm up to him.

 

[Hoki]

RE: Alternative Pairings

So should we now propose a Chrono x Vita pairing?

 

[Akiyoshi]

RE: Alternative Pairings

^ ^ That's also a big possibility, everyone says Vita acts like a brat while forgetting she's a veteran knight, she has shown to be capable to take matters seriously so i won't find surprising she reacted possitively to Chrono's polite and respectful demeanor towards her.

 

[Kireen]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Why not, I saw wierder ones.

 

[bhl88]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Vice x Teana... oh wait that's not an alternative pairing... Rio (adult) x Yuuno

 

[Andarion]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Rather than Pairing I'd call it Relationship Idea.

It concerns Zafira and Arf, they are paired up quite often but there is something... a bit wrong with this pairing.

We all seem to forget that for all her mature-appearance Arf is technically just a kid, even younger than Fate. Zafira on the other hand is centuries old. Talk about May-December Romance.

Now what I have in mind is an alternate version of their relationship. Rather than a Couple they would be more along the lines of older brother/younger sister or old alpha wolf and young puppy wolf.

Arf can be a bit childish at times, enthusiastic, happy go lucky. Zafira on the other hand is serious and stoic. Perhaps, because they are fellow wolf familiar, Arf's "unwolfy" behaviour may rub him the wrong way and he'd try to teach her the proper mannerism and behaviour befitting a true wolf?

 

[Akiyoshi]

RE: Alternative Pairings

It could work, it's a nice interpretation, but, while Arf can act childish at times she has also shown urprising displays of mature thinking, i think appearance plays a psychilogical role in how a being perceives itself? Take Vita for example, she's probably just as old as Zafira but still have some childish quirks she displays when not on strictly serious situations. Arf is mentally mature enough to question Zafira's reasoning on following his mission during A's. If age is a problem that stops being an issue by the time ViVid and FORCE comes around ...of course that would be ignoring or reverting Arf's canon desicion to became a loli in order to consume less magic from Fate xDU

And by the way, if we go by "wolf" traditions, they can relate with much younger/older partners as long as they have an enough developed body (that is ...around one/two years). So, not entirely unplausible xD.

Still the idea of teacher Zafira is pretty interesting, specially if you want to pair him with someone else xD!

 

[Andarion]

RE: Alternative Pairings

It could work, it's a nice interpretation, but, while Arf can act childish at times she has also shown urprising displays of mature thinking, i think appearance plays a psychilogical role in how a being perceives itself? Take Vita for example, she's probably just as old as Zafira but still have some childish quirks she displays when not on strictly serious situations. Arf is mentally mature enough to question Zafira's reasoning on following his mission during A's. If age is a problem that stops being an issue by the time ViVid and FORCE comes around ...of course that would be ignoring or reverting Arf's canon desicion to became a loli in order to consume less magic from Fate xDU

And by the way, if we go by "wolf" traditions, they can relate with much younger/older partners as long as they have an enough developed body (that is ...around one/two years). So, not entirely unplausible xD.

Still the idea of teacher Zafira is pretty interesting, specially if you want to pair him with someone else xD!

As they say, mind is the plaything of the body XD Well even less than age itself the issue is the difference in their behaviour. I'm kinda basing it on Belgariad book series interpretation of wolves but... wolves are proud, stoic, serious creatures even if they do like to play a little. Arf is much more playful and upbeat so Zafira might think that she is not behaving with dignity befitting of a wolf. After all Arf was made into a familiar when she was a puppy so she didn't have the time to develop the dignity and stoicism. Take the Puppy Mode as example, Zafira might have thought that it is undignified for a wolf to pretend to be a puppy. He would however commend Arf's loyalty to Fate though.

I'm actually not sure if I'd pair him off with someone. Wolves usually mate for life. While in nature they do form new pairs if one of the partners dies, Zafira also has some human mentality mixed in. Assuming he Did have a Mate before he became one of the Knights that mate is dead now so perhaps he still mourns her. Post StrikerS it is revealed that he takes care of some kids and teaches them martial arts. Perhaps he is reminded of his own family he might have had those centuries ago.

Edit. Also, Zafira seems to be more comfortable in his Wolf form rather than human one. He must have been an adult when he was turned into a familiar so it is possible that he just doesn't feel comfortable as a human, there is too much of a wolf mentality in him.

 

[Akiyoshi]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Probably, although ViVid is teasing said concept with Zafira hanging around in human form most of the time, his role as Miura's coach seems to demand more of his "human-like" corncern for her.

Also, while it's true Zafira prefers to hang out in wolf form he's also a very capable martial artist in his human form (is not his fault most important foes in the franchise are absurdly powerfull enough to shrug off martial arts easily xDU) and that's something that can ony be achieved trough constant training and self-awareness of your mind and body. Zafira must have passed a sizable portion of his life as a human in order to master his level of skill as a fighter ...at least is we go by his scene with Reinforce on "Gears of Destiny" where he was indeed training his human shape. In that regard i would wish Tsuzuki would had taken more liberties to show more of his Wolf form fightstyle. A big wolf with self-awareness and a mind trained in martial arts sounds pretty awesome from a certain stand point but all he did was growling and summoning his "Steel Yoke" spell ...come on, he has fangs, metal-covered claws and the high mobility of a swift and ferocious beast. Also he seems to be able to swtch quickly between human and wolf forms which in the middle of a fight could unlock some awesome combos ...there's an idea for Zafira-fans fanfic writers xD!

 

[Kireen]

RE: Alternative Pairings

The problem is that we'll never see Zafira do cool stuff because he's male, unless they decide to make him shine in Force.

 

[Andarion]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Probably, although ViVid is teasing said concept with Zafira hanging around in human form most of the time, his role as Miura's coach seems to demand more of his "human-like" corncern for her.

Also, while it's true Zafira prefers to hang out in wolf form he's also a very capable martial artist in his human form (is not his fault most important foes in the franchise are absurdly powerfull enough to shrug off martial arts easily xDU) and that's something that can ony be achieved trough constant training and self-awareness of your mind and body. Zafira must have passed a sizable portion of his life as a human in order to master his level of skill as a fighter ...at least is we go by his scene with Reinforce on "Gears of Destiny" where he was indeed training his human shape. In that regard i would wish Tsuzuki would had taken more liberties to show more of his Wolf form fightstyle. A big wolf with self-awareness and a mind trained in martial arts sounds pretty awesome from a certain stand point but all he did was growling and summoning his "Steel Yoke" spell ...come on, he has fangs, metal-covered claws and the high mobility of a swift and ferocious beast. Also he seems to be able to swtch quickly between human and wolf forms which in the middle of a fight could unlock some awesome combos ...there's an idea for Zafira-fans fanfic writers xD!

I'm so copying this post to my notes for later reference :-3 This will be definitely useful.

All in all the difference is probably that Arf was turned while she was a puppy so she has more human-like mentality while Zafira was turned while he was adult so his wolf mentality is more pronounced...

 

[bhl88]

RE: Alternative Pairings

I thought I was a machine who pumps out fanfiction once someone inputs the information into me.

But can you imagine the scenario which leads to Vita speaking to Chrono the way she does in Gears of Destiny?

I forget, how does she speak to Chrono in the game?

(from the GoD thread)
If you pick Vita [Vita: I'm the strongest at janken], you'll immediately notice that she's very, VERY polite with Chrono. He's the one person that Vita speaks with in formal Japanese. Chrono, being the pimp he is admits he didn't expect Vita to be the attacker but admits that she's a well-balanced fighter with great abilities. Vita says that she's honored and even embarrassed. Then Chrono, being the bastard that he is says that it was Nanoha who said those. Vita takes back her embarrassment. The fight goes pretty much the same way with Nanoha. Vita held back better, though.

 

[Sunder the Gold]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Just a guess but maybe... Chrono simply treated her seriously? One of Vita's main problems with Nanoha was that the girl treated her like a little kid. A lot of people treat Vita like that. If Chrono treated her seriously, like a capable and experienced combatant then she might warm up to him.

That's the best idea I've heard yet. It might not be the only reason, but it sounds like a good, primary reason.

Rather than Pairing I'd call it Relationship Idea.

It concerns Zafira and Arf, they are paired up quite often but there is something... a bit wrong with this pairing.

We all seem to forget that for all her mature-appearance Arf is technically just a kid, even younger than Fate. Zafira on the other hand is centuries old. Talk about May-December Romance.

Yet people have no problems shipping ReinHayate, or SigHayate, or ReinYuuno, or SigFate, or SigYuuno...

 

[Andarion]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Yet people have no problems shipping ReinHayate, or SigHayate, or ReinYuuno, or SigFate, or SigYuuno...

Well age aside I was more interested in the vast difference in their mentality. Puppy Wolf vs. Old Wolf I have nothing against ArfxZafira but wanted to take a different approach to their relationship.

 

[Akiyoshi]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Today i've decided to reread Vivid and i started with Vivio and Miura's fight, now that my bias has focused where it belongs (Signum lol), i get to enjoy the reading much more and got amused by the kind of relationship Vivio and Miura could have xD

They both get along really well, have a common likeness of martial arts and enjoy fights as also cute stuff ...also there's the fact they're certianly the representatives of their respective dojo's and while there isn't a serious feud between Takamachi and Yagami families there's certainly an everlasting sense of rivalry xD

In a sense they share many things and can be the best of friends but thy'll also are destined to compete against each other for years to come, i find that kind of interesting. Miura is Vivio's friend & rival in a sense different from Einhart but with the same high stakes/potential nontheless. Maybe Miura is the Kurama to Vivio's Yusuke and Einhart's Hiei xD!

 

[Hoki]

RE: Alternative Pairings

If Einhart is likened to Fate, then Miura is technically, Vita.

Both (Vita and Miura) are hard hitting kids who beat the main heroine on their first matches against each other. Unlike Vita, Miura is just as friendly as Vivio and is actually apologetic when she knocked her out cold.

 

[zeebee1]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Wolkenritter.

 

[Hoki]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Wolkenritter.

No. Just Vita. Although she was trained by the Wolkenritter, she doesn't have the blood knight tendencies, not to mention technical prowess and speed of Signum, the calm demeanor and toughness of Zafira, or Shamal's binds and support skills. Her most outstanding traits were sheer guts and hard hitting, barrier busting kicks, similar to Vita and her hammer.

 

[Akiyoshi]

RE: Alternative Pairings

Nope, Wolkenritter

While it's true Miura have the determinator and hard hitting aspects to match Vita she also shares key traits from the rest of the wolkenritter, She inherited Signum's swiftness and skills in the form of her Sword-draw technique (her fists are hammers her legs are swords) and she also have a subtle sense of pride regarding her skills, she got Zafira's code of discipline and skill in Strike Arts and he's also the person she respects the most (she calls him "sensei" compared to Vita-san and Signum-san) adn lastly, while Shamal didn't trained her per se, Miura is a kind and a bit bumbly girl reminiscent of Shamal in her early days in A's xD!

In fact it's one of the things that made me difficult to accept Miura in first place, character who are a blatant combination of traits from other characters tend to get lame pretty frequently ...fortunately this was gladly averted with Miura. The girl have her own personality desíte all the similarities.

 

[Hoki]

RE: Alternative Pairings

My final argument: Vita.

Though it is true that her signature kick/finishing move is named "Bakken," it is explicitly stated that its a Breaker type attack. She takes a lot of time before using it given its nature, and is basically a death or glory attack. The only way to properly use it is to basically take your opponent's hits and land it or make sure your opponent is worn down so they would not be able to dodge. Her basic strategy is basically "defend and get close to opponent, then KICK!" or "attack opponent until they are worn down... then Bakken!!!"

She lacks Signum's combat focus and is easily overwhelmed by opponents who are faster than her, evidenced by her introductory fight against Micaiah. She's also not fast enough to keep up with fast opponents, as shown in the beginning moments of her fight against Vivio. Although she was a quick burst of speed, she can only move fast in a straight line. It was only through her hitting them hard enough that they slowed down that she was able to finish them off.

Her discipline when it comes to training is stated to be a desire to change what she was before; a clumsy kid who frequently injured herself in training. She respects Zafira because he's probably the guy who oversees her and the other members of the Yagami Dojo's training, with Vita and Signum occasionally coming in to provide pointers, so it would only be natural to call him "sensei."

Finally, she's not the bubbly girl we have come to know her in the story. She was shy and basically not confident with herself. It was only through Strike Arts that she was able to change herself.

Also, if Vivio really is Nanoha 2.0, then if would make more sense that Miura is Vita 2.0 (both losing to hard hitting tykes). Signum 2.0 goes to Sieglinde to parallel Einhart's Fate 2.0 characteristics (both losing to technically superior enemies).

 

[Akiyoshi]

RE: Alternative Pairings

My no-so-final argument: Wolkenritter xD

Bakken is only one of the moves she can make with the Sword draw technique, she also have non-fin9shing moves, the Sword draw state allows miura to perform a variety of enhaced kicks as she demonstrated in the last half of her fight with Vivio, heck she even has an attack called Flying Dragon ...rings any bells?

And wow, Miura lacks focus? her entire fight with Vivo was resolved trough focus, the girl took risks and attempted to ponder when to receive hits and to wear down Vivio's stamina by turtling before unleashing her might (again, rings any bells?), while it's true her determination and punching power remsbles Vita more she also accquired some elements of Signum's fightstyle and phylosophy.

Miura wasn't as disciplined before meeting Zafira and the Wolks, she clearly mention that when Zafira started to train her she started to see a brighter side of herself. Also she pushes herself to become better everyday without bragging about her power (unlike Signum and Vita who gloat in front of almost every opponent) ...Zafira has always being a modest person despite his powers, that's another trait he and Miura share.

And the ice on the cake, Miura despite her prowess as a fighter and her power ...is still a nice and bumbly girl at heart, proven all the time while she gets embarrassed in front of a large audience, making silly mistakes during fights and getting overly worried about Vivio's health after her match, it's part of her strenght and charm as such honest heart is what impulsed her into becoming what she is now.

Miura is her own character ...but she also represents the Yagami-ke quite well by portraying some of their most notable traits xD

 

[Rising Dragon]

RE: Alternative Pairings

And all of this has... what, exactly, to do with pairings?