SM - Percy Jackson Idea Thread

[Glimmervoid]

I recently finished reading the Percy Jackson novels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Jackson_%26_the_Olympians' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>link</a>). They're about a boy called Percy Jackson who finds out he's the son of the Greek god Poseidon and goes to a place called Camp Halfblood, a summer camp for demi-gods like Percy. There he has adventures, does stuff and ends up saving the world. It's a fairly interesting universe and it seems to be fairly popular. The writing is solid but I'd personally put a large chunk of it down to the 'you might be a wizard' re Harry Potter, only instead of being a wizard it's being a Halfblood).

What does this have to do with Sailor Moon? Well, inspired by a few comments in the Harry Potter section and the 'SM in the Marvelverse' thread, I'd thought I'd create a Sailor Moon - Percy Jackson crossover idea thread. The power levels don't mesh up perfectly (there's certainly no resurrecting the entire universe level feet's, though in Greek methodical terms the Protogenoi are the universe) but there are quite a few place you could hang a crossover off.

First is that Usagi's mother, Queen Serenity, is also known as the goddess (or Hyperionide if we want to get technical) Selene. This, in Percy Jackson terms, would make Usagi a demi-god or full blown god, depending on who her father was and the effects of reincarnation. In the Percy Jackson universe, the goddess Selene is said to have faded and disappeared, her functions taken over by Artemis. This could be quite easily twisted into the fall of the Silver Millennium and could be the basis of a plot if Usagi wanted those functions back.

A similar hook can be extended to Sailor Pluto, who is said to be the daughter of Chronos (one of the Protogenoi in mythological terms). In the Percy Jackson universe Cronos (spelled Kronos) is the big bad and seems to have been merged with Chronos in story terms (that is, Cronos is shown having time powers, something which logically would be Chronos's). If we extend this merging to the Sailor Moon universe, then Sailor Pluto becomes the daughter of the series' big bad and the half-sister to on the hero's main allies, Chiron, who is also head trainer at Camp Halfblood.

A third possible hook is the role of chaos. In Greek mythology, Chaos came first, followed by the Protogenoi, then the Titans, and then the Olympian. This seems to be the case in the Percy Jackson Universe too, with the Olympian's been referred to as the fourth generation of gods. Given the prominent role Chaos is revealed to have in the Sailor Moon universe (not to mention that Sailor Moon more or less exists to kill Chaos spawned stuff, potentially including the gods) there is potential for much conflict on this point.

A fourth possible hook is the role of the Senshi as the souls of their respective plants. Given that the various gods have classically been linked to those very same planets and Gaia, one of the Protogenoi, is quite literally the earth, the conflict could make a good story.

A final point is the role of Crystal Tokyo, Western civilisation and the Greek Gods. In Percy Jaskson terms, the Greek Gods are western civilisation and the reverse is also true. While one stands strong, so does the other. If the gods fall, so does the west and if the west falls so do the gods. If Usagi were to overthrow the Percy Jackson universe gods and set herself as queen on Olympus, then the power of the west would fall and something new, and potentially better, could rise in its place, re: Crystal Tokyo.

What do people think?

 

[ragnarok1337]

I'm having a hard time thinking of Crystal Tokyo as being better than Mount Olympus. At least in the Percy Jackson incarnation, where they aren't total jerks and need to die.

 

[Glimmervoid]

I'm having a hard time thinking of Crystal Tokyo as being better than Mount Olympus. At least in the Percy Jackson incarnation, where they aren't total jerks and need to die.

Stop thinking fanon. Everyone being immortal (or at least living a thousand years) is worth a hell of a lot.

Also, it�s not about Crystal Tokyo being better than Mount Olympus; it�s about Crystal Tokyo being better than the west at large. Mount Olympus is the pinnacle of western civilisation, where everything is perfect, but its existence also means the darker aspects of the west will always be there.

In the west, people live on the streets, die of hunger, and live in poverty. Imperialism might have diminished but it is not gone and economic Imperialism has taken its place. True, the rich and the middle class get it pretty nice but the rich and the middle class are not everyone. Democracy is also nice but I�d reminded you that Usagi was elected queen.

In Percy Jackson terms these things (the good and the bad) will never go away while the Olympians rule. If the Titans take over, things could change for the much worse, but if it was Usagi, things could change for the much better.

Also, I�d take issue with the gods of Percy Jackson being �nice� in the present day. Nicer maybe but not nice.

EDITED: For spelling

 

[Inaba]

Personally, I found the Percy Jackson series irksome enough that I would mostly want to see the Greek pantheon piss themselves in terror when they realize that there are prehuman terrors wielding planet-killing force rising once more in the modern day now that the stars are right or whatever reason the Senshi reincarnated when they did. But a second Titanomachia would also be pretty damn cool.

How would you reconcile the settings' fairly incompatible timelines? Does the moon kingdom get plopped down into the Golden Age or the Heroic Age? Does the moon kingdom predate Olympian rule and was therefore contemporaries with Kronos or perhaps even Ouranos?

 

[Glimmervoid]

How would you reconcile the settings' fairly incompatible timelines? Does the moon kingdom get plopped down into the Golden Age or the Heroic Age? Does the moon kingdom predate Olympian rule and was therefore contemporaries with Kronos or perhaps even Ouranos?

Well, Selene, Usagi's mother, is the daughter of Hyperion, who is brother to Kronos, so I'd think it would need to be before the Titan's defeat. I suppose Selene could have been born during the Age of the Titans but only started the Silver Millennium after her father was imprisoned, though, so we're got a pretty wide open field setting wise.

EDIT: I have to admit I loled at the idea of the Senshi as the Greek Gods' Cthulhu.

 

[Inaba]

I have problems seeing Usagi as anything other than Azathoth in a pretty wig after reading that she resurrected the entire galaxy or universe (whichever it was, I don't recall). That kind of scale is quite literally incomprehensible to me.

Come to think of it, the timing of the moon kingdom would do a lot to determine the initial reactions of the two factions to one another. For example, if the moon kingdom was a Golden Age nation and fell during the Titanomachia, it's hard not to write a scenario where it was one of the casualties of said conflict. On the other hand, that scenario would completely mess up the timeline and is also kind of cliched.

For reference, how human were the gods and goddesses in Percy Jackson? I seem to recall that they were pretty stereotypical as these depictions go, with the Olympians and their contemporaries being more or less humans with rightfully oversized (probably) egos and their elders being progressively less and less human and more elemental.

 

[ragnarok1337]

I'm having a hard time thinking of Crystal Tokyo as being better than Mount Olympus. At least in the Percy Jackson incarnation, where they aren't total jerks and need to die.

Stop thinking fanon. Everyone being immortal (or at least living a thousand years) is worth a hell of a lot.

Also, itÆs not about Crystal Tokyo being better than Mount Olympus; itÆs about Crystal Tokyo being better than the west at large. Mount Olympus is the pinnacle of western civilisation, where everything is perfect, but its existence also means the darker aspects of the west will always be there.

In the west, people live on the streets, die of hunger, and live in poverty. Imperialism might have diminished but it is not gone and economic Imperialism has taken its place. True, the rich and the middle class get it pretty nice but the rich and the middle class are not everyone. Democracy is also nice but IÆd reminded you that Usagi was elected queen.

We don't really have any evidence that Crystal Tokyo was all it was hyped up to be. THe manga sort of ended then. I'm not thinking fanon; it's just logic. How would a schoolgirl with no experience in leading anything (the anime goes out of its way to show how pathetic she is for most of the sotry) to being a great ruler? Even leading the Senshi to success at the end is no excuse; by then all she had done was lead a small band of vigilantes and defeat a big bad that was the equivalent of a Titan. A small group is much different than being the queen of everything.

At least the Greek Pantheon has had time to realize that they were being assholes and quit it; at least that's how I interpret why the gods are so much nicer these days.

After Kratos slaughtered them all for being dicks and they barely managed to preserve themselves, they probably realized that it didn't pay off.

 

[Inaba]

We don't really have any evidence that Crystal Tokyo was all it was hyped up to be. THe manga sort of ended then. I'm not thinking fanon; it's just logic. How would a schoolgirl with no experience in leading anything (the anime goes out of its way to show how pathetic she is for most of the sotry) to being a great ruler? Even leading the Senshi to success at the end is no excuse; by then all she had done was lead a small band of vigilantes and defeat a big bad that was the equivalent of a Titan. A small group is much different than being the queen of everything.

At least the Greek Pantheon has had time to realize that they were being assholes and quit it; at least that's how I interpret why the gods are so much nicer these days.

After Kratos slaughtered them all for being dicks and they barely managed to preserve themselves, they probably realized that it didn't pay off.

Most people are nitwits at that age; Usagi acquitted herself better than most would.

That aside, we've basically no information to judge Crystal Tokyo by. You could assume that one person would the same as a teenager and as a woman centuries old, but that's a dubious position at best.

As speaking of people being horrible, am I the only one who found Percy's mom's actions at the end of the first book to be utterly horrifying and repugnant?

 

[Glimmervoid]

After Kratos slaughtered them all for being dicks and they barely managed to preserve themselves, they probably realized that it didn't pay off.

When did this happen?

 

[ragnarok1337]

After Kratos slaughtered them all for being dicks and they barely managed to preserve themselves, they probably realized that it didn't pay off.

When did this happen?

It was a joke using the God of War games' story. I thought it was rather obvious.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Usagi in the anime/manga repeatedly went out of her way to say she believes humanity should have to right to makes it own choices. She is aware of the darkness in men's hearts but also believes that as a whole human beings are good.

Also Manga!Usagi is fucking awesome. She is charisma central. Anime had to deal with the issue of resetting her characterization but manga Usagi is a leader. That's undeniable. She may dislike fighting but she's a far cry from the scared 14 year old she starts off in the manga/anime to that woman who handed Galaxia her ass. Her dream changed from being a bride to being able to forever protect earth from Chaos and its forces.

As for the idea: I like it.

Moon Kingdom fell a couple billion years ago. Michiru seems like a perfect fit for a relative of Percy's. Though considering Pluto and Moon's parents. She could be Oceanus' child. The existence of senshi could easily be a surprise since this solar system is canonically closed off from the rest of the universe.
So it'd just appear that there were strangely 9-10 Children Titans/Olympians had that have power much greater then their parents. This solar system was pretty shut off from the rest so the Olympians/Titans wouldn't have any idea why there are 9 powerhouses born from half bloods/full bloods.

After the reincarnation spell. I could see Usagi and the others being mislabeled as half bloods. Even though Ikuko swears that she has never been with any other man then Kenji.

As speaking of people being horrible, am I the only one who found Percy's mom's actions at the end of the first book to be utterly horrifying and repugnant?

Wasn't that a shout out to the original myth?

 

[Ryuugi]

As speaking of people being horrible, am I the only one who found Percy's mom's actions at the end of the first book to be utterly horrifying and repugnant?

I have a hard time feeling sorry for Gabe, since he was an abusive asshole who took all of Sally and Percy's stuff, hated Percy, tried to get him arrested, and often abused Sally (and treated her awfully, besides), a Percy realized at the end of the book. Hell, the guy hit Sally because he had to return the money he collected of her life insurence after she came back from the dead.

Also, it was a shout-out to the original Perseus.

 

[Lord Raine]

I'm having a hard time thinking of Crystal Tokyo as being better than Mount Olympus. At least in the Percy Jackson incarnation, where they aren't total jerks and need to die.

Stop thinking fanon. Everyone being immortal (or at least living a thousand years) is worth a hell of a lot.

Also, itÆs not about Crystal Tokyo being better than Mount Olympus; itÆs about Crystal Tokyo being better than the west at large. Mount Olympus is the pinnacle of western civilisation, where everything is perfect, but its existence also means the darker aspects of the west will always be there.

In the west, people live on the streets, die of hunger, and live in poverty. Imperialism might have diminished but it is not gone and economic Imperialism has taken its place. True, the rich and the middle class get it pretty nice but the rich and the middle class are not everyone. Democracy is also nice but IÆd reminded you that Usagi was elected queen.

We don't really have any evidence that Crystal Tokyo was all it was hyped up to be. THe manga sort of ended then. I'm not thinking fanon; it's just logic. How would a schoolgirl with no experience in leading anything to being a great ruler?

And that would be a great point, except for the fact that we have time travelers from the future who had no beef with it. Do keep in mind that these weren't servants or friends, either. They were enemies. The villains of the series. They wanted to destroy Sailor Moon and the Senshi, but even they admitted that it was for reasons completely unrelated to her methods or competence as a ruler, because in that realm, she was pretty much flawless, to the extent that even the people who hated her couldn't find anything to complain about how she ran things.

You can argue otherwise. By all means, feel free. Just have the cajones to admit that you're deviating from canon in doing so. Because canon says she wasn't just a good ruler, but that she was the best leader ever to exist, ever. And that's backed up by her universally 100% approval rating, even from her mortal enemies.

 

[ragnarok1337]

While I agree that yes, the villains did not care about Crystal Tokyo, I don't recall them ever Praising it either. We just have no information about it. That's why I'm sceptical. Not saying her rule is incompetent, but we simply don't know anything about it. Can't make a decision based on that.

 

[Aarik]

I'm having a hard time thinking of Crystal Tokyo as being better than Mount Olympus. At least in the Percy Jackson incarnation, where they aren't total jerks and need to die.

Stop thinking fanon. Everyone being immortal (or at least living a thousand years) is worth a hell of a lot.

Also, itÆs not about Crystal Tokyo being better than Mount Olympus; itÆs about Crystal Tokyo being better than the west at large. Mount Olympus is the pinnacle of western civilisation, where everything is perfect, but its existence also means the darker aspects of the west will always be there.

In the west, people live on the streets, die of hunger, and live in poverty. Imperialism might have diminished but it is not gone and economic Imperialism has taken its place. True, the rich and the middle class get it pretty nice but the rich and the middle class are not everyone. Democracy is also nice but IÆd reminded you that Usagi was elected queen.

We don't really have any evidence that Crystal Tokyo was all it was hyped up to be. THe manga sort of ended then. I'm not thinking fanon; it's just logic. How would a schoolgirl with no experience in leading anything to being a great ruler?

And that would be a great point, except for the fact that we have time travelers from the future who had no beef with it. Do keep in mind that these weren't servants or friends, either. They were enemies. The villains of the series. They wanted to destroy Sailor Moon and the Senshi, but even they admitted that it was for reasons completely unrelated to her methods or competence as a ruler, because in that realm, she was pretty much flawless, to the extent that even the people who hated her couldn't find anything to complain about how she ran things.

You can argue otherwise. By all means, feel free. Just have the cajones to admit that you're deviating from canon in doing so. Because canon says she wasn't just a good ruler, but that she was the best leader ever to exist, ever. And that's backed up by her universally 100% approval rating, even from her mortal enemies.

Their specific problem with Neo Queen Serenity was a religious one, with the Black Moon family mad at her for committing what they considered blasphemy by making everyone immortal, as they thought extending mortal lifespans went against Gods will.

Since they were being such jackasses, She banished them, presumably because of the kinda shit they pulled as soon as they got back later.

 

[Lord Raine]

I'm having a hard time thinking of Crystal Tokyo as being better than Mount Olympus. At least in the Percy Jackson incarnation, where they aren't total jerks and need to die.

Stop thinking fanon. Everyone being immortal (or at least living a thousand years) is worth a hell of a lot.

Also, itÆs not about Crystal Tokyo being better than Mount Olympus; itÆs about Crystal Tokyo being better than the west at large. Mount Olympus is the pinnacle of western civilisation, where everything is perfect, but its existence also means the darker aspects of the west will always be there.

In the west, people live on the streets, die of hunger, and live in poverty. Imperialism might have diminished but it is not gone and economic Imperialism has taken its place. True, the rich and the middle class get it pretty nice but the rich and the middle class are not everyone. Democracy is also nice but IÆd reminded you that Usagi was elected queen.

We don't really have any evidence that Crystal Tokyo was all it was hyped up to be. THe manga sort of ended then. I'm not thinking fanon; it's just logic. How would a schoolgirl with no experience in leading anything to being a great ruler?

And that would be a great point, except for the fact that we have time travelers from the future who had no beef with it. Do keep in mind that these weren't servants or friends, either. They were enemies. The villains of the series. They wanted to destroy Sailor Moon and the Senshi, but even they admitted that it was for reasons completely unrelated to her methods or competence as a ruler, because in that realm, she was pretty much flawless, to the extent that even the people who hated her couldn't find anything to complain about how she ran things.

You can argue otherwise. By all means, feel free. Just have the cajones to admit that you're deviating from canon in doing so. Because canon says she wasn't just a good ruler, but that she was the best leader ever to exist, ever. And that's backed up by her universally 100% approval rating, even from her mortal enemies.

Their specific problem with Neo Queen Serenity was a religious one, with the Black Moon family mad at her for committing what they considered blasphemy by making everyone immortal, as they thought extending mortal lifespans went against Gods will.

Since they were being such jackasses, She banished them, presumably because of the kinda shit they pulled as soon as they got back later.

And when the worst that can be said of you is that you invented immortality and handed it out to everybody for free in a universe where immortality is not some kind of abomidable reality-breaking transgression of All That Should Be, then you're basically at the level where Jesus should be taking notes.

You can pretend that Usagi is evil and/or incompetent. Just so long as you understand that that isn't canon, nor is it really supported by the facts.


This is especially amusing in the context of this crossover, because the Olympian gods are dicks in the legends. The only guy who isn't a flat-out psychotic murdering asshole rapist psychopath is Hades, who due to ruling the Underworld, ends up being the designated villain and/or Satan expy in pretty much every modern interpretation of Greek mythology ever.

Greek gods are insane psychopaths who deserve to be destroyed? Percy Jackson 'reinterprets' them into being okay guys. Sailor Moon is a story where the protagonist wins because she loves love and everybody in the universe so much that Love itself is all "holy shit did you guys see that? I feel like a right dick now," and concluded with and then they lived happily ever after forever in a beautiful kingdom of light and magic because love solved all their problems, The End? Fuck it, that bitch is clearly ruining everything.

 

[ragnarok1337]

^rant: I repeat my above post. No information.

OTOH, someone who gives immortality to everyone, and it is against the will of God? Looks like it's time for none other than...

DOKURO_CHAN!

(<a href='http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o437/PauloNeck/Dokuro-Chan.png[/img]

Whereupon hilarity ensues. Yes. I just did that.

 

[ragnarok1337]

Edit: Edited for double post.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

First of all you double posted.

Second of all. Black Moon pretty much flat out said Neo-Queen Serenity was doing a good job but they were being dicks because they wanted power and hated immortality. They saw that the planet was thriving under her rule and Wiseman riled them up and said they could take control of it.

When the bad guys basically say, "Hey Usagi, doing a good job. We get your a decent person and pretty much been running this. But we want power because we're bastards so to get your attention we're gonna bomb earth okay." She's doing a good job.

Demande/Saffir compared Usagi to a goddess of earth for crying out loud. People made fun of Chibiusa because they considered her so underwhelming compared to her living saint of a mother.

CT is confirmed by everyone to be such a awesome place that Kakyuu and aliens across the galaxy had visions of it and were going, "Holy shit! Did you see that? I saw Heaven right now!" Years before CT was even built.

Now then please offer something that shows CT is miserable that isn't THe Great Freeze because this has been a manga discussion. If you can't. It's a awesome place like canon says and that's that.

Moving on. Minako, Aphrodite's twin? She was described as being born from sea foam though that just might be Adonis being poetic.

Usagi would probably be mistaken as a child of artemis and Artemis will have to firmly deny ever having a child with any sort of man.

 

[ragnarok1337]

And it looks like you are far on the side of "CT is perfect" and will not think otherwise, no matter what.

By the way, I think Aphrodite was born from a titan having his balls chopped off and tossed into the sea, and when they hit the foam Aphrodite appeared. One of the more embarrassing births in myth, but what can you do?

 

[Deleted member 5249]

And it looks like you are far on the side of "CT is perfect" and will not think otherwise, no matter what.

By the way, I think Aphrodite was born from a titan having his balls chopped off and tossed into the sea, and when they hit the foam Aphrodite appeared. One of the more embarrassing births in myth, but what can you do?

The reason I won't think otherwise is because canon says it is through out the series. You people who dislike it are unable to give any proof and to continue hating it go lalala and cover your ears when canon says otherwise.

Seriously give me anything from canon that says it's horrible. Everybody in the series called it amazing even the villains.

I don't care If you think it's evil because guess what it's not canon so don't try to pass it off as such.

Unless you can offer proof from the manga that says otherwise don't bother responding.

 

[the_light_wanderer]

Zill's Law: If Crystal Toyko is mentioned in a thread, over time the probability of the thread turning into an argument about the nature of Crystal Toyko approaches 1.

The reasoná I won't think otherwise is because canon says it is through out the series. You people who dislike it are unable to give any proof and to continue hating it go lalala and cover your ears when canon says otherwise.

I've always thought that when people argued about CT both sides were arguing something different. The pro-side is arguing that canonically it's supposed be a good place. The Prince and the Princess get married and everyone lives happily ever after (fairy tale ending). The anti side is arguing from the point of view saying lets assume that the general population in SM acts like real people; what would need to happen for CT to be created.

In other words the pro side is arguing forwards from character personalities and painting CT based on that, grounding it in the troupes of a shoujo manga; the anti side is arguing backwards from CT and painting the character personalities from that, grounding their argument in what would happen in real life.

Just my two cents though.

EDIT:

Oh, and who is Zill? I agree with the law, I would just like to know who this "Zill person is who supposedly coined it.

Zill is me. When I mentioned it, it was really me just coining my own law off hand. It's sort of a shout out to Godwin's Law, mixed with trends I've seen across various Sailor Moon discussions.

 

[ragnarok1337]

That's...pretty damn accurate, actually.

 

[Lord Raine]

And that's why the antis are wrong. They ignore the Jesus effect from Usagi, and try to build CT around the idea that it's a normal person running it, and that normal methods were used to create it.

She was elected to that position. She has a 100% approval rating. Whatever suppositions are made about how life must clearly suck for the normal residents are by definition wrong from the outset, because if they were right, they would vote for somebody else, or at the very least, the approval rating would be lower than Everybody?.

 

[Inaba]

Regarding Percy's mother's actions against Gabe at the end of Book 1, I understand perfectly well that the man was utterly terrible and I've very little sympathy for him in regards to his ultimate fate. That does not change that the fact that Percy's mother committed a deliberate act of murder that is disproportionate to what wrongs were done to her. I would be sympathetic to cases of domestic abuse where the victim felt that his or her life is in imminent danger and therefore acted in 'preemptive self-defense', but I do not recall that her situation was as bad as that.

I also have misgivings about her marrying someone in order to provide a cover for Percy considering the sort of shit that would likely descend on the kid and by extension those around him once he came of age, but those remain misgivings and are understandable if not necessarily right in my opinion.

Please keep in mind that these are based on poor recollection of the events in the book and therefore may not be entirely accurate.

Back on topic, while I'd prefer it if the Senshi weren't written into the crossover as members of the Greek pantheon, it's hard to contest that their names and some of their origins make them a fairly natural fit. Come to think of it, didn't Helios pop up in SM as a horse or a pegasus or some sort of weird winged unicorn thingie? Wasn't he one of Endymion's contemporaries and the dude/horse/whatever in charge of Elysium?

Speaking of which, can you imagine the debacle when Usagi hears about the mythological Endymion? The one where he hooked up with Selene and sired her children?