Story killers

ragnarok1337

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#51
Mercsenary said:
Agreed on all points with a modification for Foreign Languages. Gratuitous Foreign Language is where it irks the hell out of me. Im sorry but if after every 3 spoken words is a spiel in another langauge, FUCK OFF AND WRITE IT IN THAT LANGUAGE.

Course this isnt limited to fanfiction...


IM LOOKING AT YOU ASSASSINS CREED 2.
To be fair, I think that helped in the presentation of the game. After all, would you like Ezio or the other main characters to have a thick American accent like Assassin's Creed 1's Altair? Plus, it's not as common as you make it out to be.

Anyway, enough defending AC2 & Brotherhood, let's get back to the Language issue. I completely agree that gratuitous foreign language usually gets on my nerves. For example, Naruto fanfiction (and even the dub) shout their techniques in english, then add the word "Jutsu" at the end really bugs me. After all, what sounds better:

Fire Style: Pheonix Flower
or
Fire Style, Pheonix Flower Jutsu

The last word is completely unnecessary and really irritates me. I admit, sometimes it is necessary (Like substituting "Rasengan" for "Spiralling Sphere"), but most often it is not. I admit I used to like gratuitous foreign languages, but I have grown out of it. I would like to see most everything in English these days in fanfiction if possible. If the "real" translation doesn't sound good, then give it a bit of flair to make it sound cooler while keeping the intent the same so we recognize it.
 

goldenarms

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#52
ragnarok1337 said:
Stories that stick very closely to canon, despite having no reason to do so. In some things it makes sense because you don't have to create a new storyline because one is already hashed out for you, and you just have to change it a bit.

What I hate is when stories go EXACTLY like canon. Take, for example, the (relatively) new Negima/FoZ cross <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6849708/1/Magister_of_Zero' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Magister of Zero</a>. Despite having summoned NEGI (albiet before he's godmodded), along with several other members of 3A, Louise still treats him worse than she did Saito in the beginning. And Negi's just a 10 year old kid!

Furthermore, even after he does the Stripping Sneeze, she blows it off as him just having "powerful lungs" or some such nonsense. And when he tries to explain it's Wind Magic, she says that it "doesn't confirm to the four elements"! Since when wasn't wind an element in FoZ? Plus, with her causing explosions with every. single. spell she does, I would expect her to be understanding of out-of-control magic.



Sorry, this turned into a rant without me meaning to do it. Still, yes, my pet peeve is following canon TO THE LETTER. Why not just reread the original work, then?
I went back through my reviews, as I remembered this story, and had laid down review for it. I wanted to see what had been done with it since my review.

Author removed the story.
 

ragnarok1337

Well-Known Member
#53
goldenarms said:
ragnarok1337 said:
Stories that stick very closely to canon, despite having no reason to do so. In some things it makes sense because you don't have to create a new storyline because one is already hashed out for you, and you just have to change it a bit.

What I hate is when stories go EXACTLY like canon. Take, for example, the (relatively) new Negima/FoZ cross <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6849708/1/Magister_of_Zero' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Magister of Zero</a>. Despite having summoned NEGI (albiet before he's godmodded), along with several other members of 3A, Louise still treats him worse than she did Saito in the beginning. And Negi's just a 10 year old kid!

Furthermore, even after he does the Stripping Sneeze, she blows it off as him just having "powerful lungs" or some such nonsense. And when he tries to explain it's Wind Magic, she says that it "doesn't confirm to the four elements"! Since when wasn't wind an element in FoZ? Plus, with her causing explosions with every. single. spell she does, I would expect her to be understanding of out-of-control magic.



Sorry, this turned into a rant without me meaning to do it. Still, yes, my pet peeve is following canon TO THE LETTER. Why not just reread the original work, then?
I went back through my reviews, as I remembered this story, and had laid down review for it. I wanted to see what had been done with it since my review.

Author removed the story.
Don't worry-you didn't miss anything. I actually read the next chapter before it was removed, and nearly half the chapter was the author ranting "don't be a hater" or something like that to the reviewers. And the author pretty much ignored all the advice given. Claimed we were "bashing" when most of the reviewers were at least offering a bit of constructive criticism.

After I and a few others placed other reviews telling him that he was doing things wrong and how to correct them, he deleted the fic.
 

Shiakou

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#54
ragnarok1337 said:
After I and a few others placed other reviews telling him that he was doing things wrong and how to correct them, he deleted the fic.
Sometimes, that's the best one can hope for. :huh.:
 

toraneko

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#55
1. Blatant lack of quality proofreading. Terrible grammar might be acceptable in characters' dialogues, but it is not acceptable in third-person omniscient past-tense narration. Same with spelling, word choice, and proper punctuation.
(A few errors here and there aren't so bad that I'd raise a stink about it, but when a whole chapter is rife with those errors, it's like the author's screaming "I don't care enough to actually try!")

2. Badly-written romance. This bugs me regardless of the gender of the two (or more) participants; if the author can't be bothered to make it believable, and make me give a shit, then I won't. Ties right in with...

3. Slash. Pairings that happen because of nothing more than author fiat. If you're going to pair Shirai Kuroko with Misaka Mikoto, you've got a hill of contradiction from the canon you'd better overcome to make it bearable. Make me believe that it's possible. Write the characters in a way that it doesn't scream ridiculously out-of-character to me. If you can't do this, don't write the fucking pairing.

4. Pointless or one-off crossover characters. If the character isn't going to stick around for a majority of the story, and be useful to the story while they're at it, leave them out. I hate it when an author drops a character into a setting where they don't belong, have them act the walking plot device for one chapter (or maybe two small chapters), then never use that character again except as a footnote. It's sloppy.

5. Character sympathy wank. Okay, so Aono Tsukune is a fairly brave fellow for daring to live in a world of monsters despite being a squishy little human. We get that. Are we still supposed to feel sympathy for his pain after you write him ascending to the level of a vampire stronger than Moka's entire extended family, fucking his entire harem, and being started down the road of a Dark Lord on the level of the Academy's headmaster? (Hint: no.)

6. Bashing. If you can't tone down your dislike of a character to - at the very least! - the point where the characters in your story don't act in a manner that breaks suspension of disbelief, then you'd better back off from writing that character at all. In fact, you might want to rethink writing in that particular fandom.

7. Excessive character detail. I do not need to know the precise angle at which photons reflect off the rhinestones in that Elvis impersonator's costume. Neither do I need to have more than two fairly short sentences describing a girl's physique and dress thrown at me at once. Draw attention to the most defining traits of a character's appearance when you introduce them, and minimize the details about their mode of dress.
When in doubt, here's a good rule of thumb: Think of meeting the character in person, as if that was the first you'd ever even heard of them. What are the first three or four things that you'd notice? Give those traits in as simple and interesting way as you can, and leave the rest on the cutting room floor. This is fiction, not a fashion runway.
By that same token, don't just keep harping on those few details again and again. There are more interesting things about a character than the color and depth of their eyes, or else you've written a shit character. (I'm looking at you, Salvatore, you and your Drizzt's blue eyes - excuse me, "lavender orbs".)

8. Author soapboxing. I'm here to read fiction, not a fucking essay. More often than not, this ends up reading like a Jack Chick tract with astonishingly less character, relevance, or overall story value. Worse is when I find out the whole story is one of these. I don't like it from Ayn Rand, I'm certainly not going to sit through it from some hack like Terry Goodkind, let alone an anonymous author writing fanfic.

9. Failure at understanding a subject. If you know dick about Buddhism, don't make the difference between a bodhisattva and an arhat a plot point in your story. If you aren't a nuclear physicist, don't bother trying to explain why a proton torpedo does a ton of damage to a starship hull; it's enough to know that it does. And for the love of God, if you've never had your fingers inside a woman, don't try to go into detail on the sensory experience of rubbing her G-spot just right.

10. Use and misuse of foreign languages. This has been expounded upon quite well before, but let me add: If you don't speak Japanese, or know someone who does, don't just make up or machine-translate a technique name in Japanese. It never works well, and you'll just end up sounding like you're trying to impress the reader with how very smart you must be to have come up with that all on your own. Aside from that , do at least try to make OC names sound appropriate for their background.

11. "Awesome" names. It sounds pretentious as hell when a character is introduced as "Shade", doubly so if that's supposed to be his real name instead of a nickname. And if you name a character something like "Maximilian Stern", he'd better be a five-star general, or a totalitarian dictator, or something like that.

I'll probably think up more as I go.
 

Avider

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#56
Halibel Lecter said:
Avider: typically, Japanese names are short and sweet compared to the full English translation. Often, the English is long, hyperdetailed, over the top and sounds dumb. This is why attack and weapon names generally stay in the original language. ^_^
Late response:

That's because you don't know it so it doesn't strike you as being the same as English.

Citing all examples of Japanese works where special moves are in English. That and your example is pretty lulz since there's plenty where Japanese names are like fifty thousand words long.
 

shiki

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#57
1. Long author profiles.
I never start a fic without taking a look into the profiles. Generally speaking, if I have to press page down more than once, I have a general idea of ability. Good authors know how to keep things concise. Egomaniacs go on and on about themselves for no reason.

2. OOCness.
I don't mind some if it helps build the story or if the character evolved through the course of the story through character development, but if it just happens... no dice.

3. Suddenly making the main character weaker or stronger with no explanations.
It is just poor planning on their part if they have to do this.

4. Polls asking for opinions of story elements.
Same as number 3. Automatic fail if I see a poll or voting for pairings, deaths, events, etc...

5. Bashing.
The less said about this the better. The other posters got this one.

6. Sudden onsets of Homo/bisexuality and/or Harems.
Unless the story is meant as a comedy or PWP, these have no place in a story. If the character shows those types of leanings in the source material, than it it fine. Otherwise...

7. Excessive focus on angst or feelings.
Typically speaking female writers focus way too much on this after their obligatory torture/rape scene. People cope differently and not all people go to pieces. I don't need to read 100,000 words about the recovery if it doesn't matter in the long run or if it isn't a character focused piece. It is very rare that an author strikes a good balance between the recovery and the advancement of the plot.

8. Rape scenes for the shock factor.

9. Too many OCs.
A few is fine. When the number of recurring OCs get into the double digits... no.

10. The "Bait and Switch"
Author has a decent idea and summary, but switches the focus onto their OC rather than the characters they should be focusing on. AN example of this is a Harry Potter story.

I was lead to believe that it would be a story about Dumbledore and Harry going back into their past to change things in an epic tale of apprenticeship. But 3 chapters in the main focus shifts to an OC, that is a blatant self insert as well as an Unspeakable (fanon says this is like spies), and her observations about Dumbledore and Harry.

I don't bloody care if you think your OC is fucking awesome. If your summary and MC tags are of certain characters I expect those characters to be the focus.

Edit: One more

11. Romance for the sake of having romance.
Not all stories have to have an epic romance that warms the heart and drives people to tears. Sometimes, it just doesn't happen.

toraneko said:
5. Character sympathy wank. Okay, so Aono Tsukune is a fairly brave fellow for daring to live in a world of monsters despite being a squishy little human. We get that. Are we still supposed to feel sympathy for his pain after you write him ascending to the level of a vampire stronger than Moka's entire extended family, fucking his entire harem, and being started down the road of a Dark Lord on the level of the Academy's headmaster? (Hint: no.)
Here in My Arms, right? I hated that story too, despite how well recommended it was.
 

toraneko

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#58
shiki said:
toraneko said:
Here in My Arms, right? I hated that story too, despite how well recommended it was.
Yeah. It was really full of character wank. That could be expected to a small degree with any lemon, but HiMA took it very much too far, and poses to take it farther still.

Thing is, it had the framework of a good story. Platinumsabr just failed to make good use of it. Most of the dramatic tension between the main characters (i.e. Tsukune and his harem) was ironed out fairly early, thus robbing the story of a lot of its oomph and forcing a reliance on OCs... and then when the OCs prove themselves a significant threat, they're dealt with to the point that they might just switch sides entirely, forcing the ante up yet again. The OCs weren't even very good, and I will stand by my assertion that none of them would really have been necessary (or appropriate) had everything not just magically worked itself out early on.

I recall the lemon scenes at least being good - particularly Ruby's - but I can't really advise sifting through the rest of the story to get to them.
 
#59
goldenarms said:
ragnarok1337 said:
Stories that stick very closely to canon, despite having no reason to do so. In some things it makes sense because you don't have to create a new storyline because one is already hashed out for you, and you just have to change it a bit.

What I hate is when stories go EXACTLY like canon. Take, for example, the (relatively) new Negima/FoZ cross <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6849708/1/Magister_of_Zero' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Magister of Zero</a>. Despite having summoned NEGI (albiet before he's godmodded), along with several other members of 3A, Louise still treats him worse than she did Saito in the beginning. And Negi's just a 10 year old kid!

Furthermore, even after he does the Stripping Sneeze, she blows it off as him just having "powerful lungs" or some such nonsense. And when he tries to explain it's Wind Magic, she says that it "doesn't confirm to the four elements"! Since when wasn't wind an element in FoZ? Plus, with her causing explosions with every. single. spell she does, I would expect her to be understanding of out-of-control magic.



Sorry, this turned into a rant without me meaning to do it. Still, yes, my pet peeve is following canon TO THE LETTER. Why not just reread the original work, then?
I went back through my reviews, as I remembered this story, and had laid down review for it. I wanted to see what had been done with it since my review.

Author removed the story.
Just asking was that the one where Negi was accompanied by Ayaka, the Cheerleaders, and the Narutakis? Was the author name Ketchum Kid? If so he has a forum that discusses his now absent fic "Magister of Zero".

Ketchum Kid

What's annoying me at the moment is the fact that not everyone's reading all of my author notes or the original storyline for FoZ. This wouldn't annoy me so much if I didn't get reviews berating my work for actions already explained:

'And your Louise is so bitchy. To chain three kid like that is too much.' (bakapervert)I'm not saying that bakapervert's a bad guy; however, in episode 2 of FoZ, Saito is chained up after he tried to run away. So chaining Fuka and Fumika for the same reasons, plus Negi for stripper sneeze, is completely canon to Louise's nature.

That's not wat convinced be to write this. The following post by Anynom Ragnarok, however, did:

'I must admit, I'm very disappointed. You're almost sticking directly to the canon timeline, and Louise is going far beyond borderline cruel with the different people. I don't think the children in Medieval times did stuff like that for no reason, and I would imagine that Luise's world, while medieval, isn't as grimdark as the real workd.

I mention again keeping to the canon timeline almost exactly. Even after Negi doing his stripping sneeze, which should definitely stink of magic, at least to Kirche, Louise blows it off like it's nothing.

And several viewers before brought up the issue of some people getting sucked up with Negi when they weren't anywhere nearby the Gateport incident.

And the whole staff issue? Really, it seems like Louise is blowing off every indication that Negi can use magic.

You have a very long way to go before this fic will go anywhere good in my opinion.'

First of all, in a fic like this, you almost have to stick to the canonnical timeline, especially in the early stages. I'm also melding three canons into one, since I'm using the light novels, the anime, AND the manga, all which have a different take on each scene. And it's not like I'm giving Negi Saito's lines word for word, either; they're spread around between his students.

See bakapervert for Louise's inhumane actions.

Second, what does a train ride, the classroom, and a volleyball all have in common? They are all incidents when Negi had his tremendous sneeze. Never once did anyone who didn't know magic in those sneezes think that it was caused by magic.

Next, the fact that I specifically used seven characters that did not go to the magic world. gwonbush brought it up last chapter, and I answered it:

'Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't I say that I'd get to it at a later date? I'll have it explained in chapter 4.'

Then the thing about tthe staff. I'll have Kirche explain this one:

"Tabitha, anyone could get their hands on a staff that's similar toà"

You see? By just simply reading the chapter CAREFULLY, and doing research on canon, all the questions are answered. What really gets under my skin, however, is the last sentence. After all the pro-canon points he misses, he/she goes on to say that this will go nowhere? It's easy to spot a bad fanfic. They usually have no core plotline, major errors, and massive OOCness. To my knowledge (and please, correct me if I'm wrong on this), this has yet to show any of that. Also remember how Negima seemed to be goig the way of Love Hina for the first two volumes, and then suddenly changed to the primary plotline.

I'm hugely sorry that I've had to take a post and write all this. Again, I do not mean any badness for the author and Anynom listed above. But I just needed to vent out my anger here, rather than in the middle of the story. I was in an argument with an author back in my Anynom days. I don't want to repeat it as an author.
By "Anynom" he means Anonymous right?
 

ragnarok1337

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#60
That...I...wow, just wow. I was the Anon reviewer Ragnarok (so nice to get mentioned), and...where can I even start? Should I start? That argument of KK's has so many flaws in it, I just...some one else do it. I just can't.

Any yes, in case it wasn't clear, the fic I ranted about was that same fic.
 

Muramasa

Well-Known Member
#61
Canon pairings in a crossover fic.



Really, this is just a pet peeve of mine. I acknowledge that it can be done well. I just don't like it. Partial canon pairings are fine, as long as there is some variety. If not, it goes a long way to kill my interest in a fic.


I can not tell you how many Ranma/Inuyasha crossovers I've ignored simply because of Ran/Ak, Inu/Kag stapled right on the summary.
 
#62
ragnarok1337 said:
That...I...wow, just wow. I was the Anon reviewer Ragnarok (so nice to get mentioned), and...where can I even start? Should I start? That argument of KK's has so many flaws in it, I just...some one else do it. I just can't.

Any yes, in case it wasn't clear, the fic I ranted about was that same fic.
Just asking what exactly did Louise do to Negi? (aside from chaining him and the twins up? I know how she treated Saito in canon, but Negi isn't Saito. So what were the differences/similarities?)

And additionally how bad will the heavy hitters of 3-A respond to her treatment of Negi and their classmates? Cause lets face it I'm pretty sure several of them will be out for blood.
 

ragnarok1337

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#63
I truly wish the fic were still up, so you could see just HOW bad it was. As it is, I don't remember enough, or rather, remember too many things to tell.
 

goldenarms

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#64
Ketchum Kid's forum found!

BRB. I fully expect to get banned after I'm finished.
 
#65
ragnarok1337 said:
I truly wish the fic were still up, so you could see just HOW bad it was. As it is, I don't remember enough, or rather, remember too many things to tell.
Just saying this: If she treated Negi like she treated Saito or worse for that matter Louise will be lucky to be alive after 3-A are done with her.

I mean seriously Asuna at most would just beat her up give her a taste of her own medicine, but if she managed to really tick off say Evangeline, Kaede, or Mana?

Okay to be honest I'm not sure what they do aside from swiftly knocking Louise out and running away with Negi (Kaede and Mana). In addition Louise chaining Fuuka and Fumika up in this story probably wouldn't win her points with Kaede.

Evangeline though... it would depend on her mood. She doesn't kill women or children and likely would consider Louise a waste of time. However there is the fact Evangeline probably considers Negi "hers". I expect her to leave Louise and anyone else who gets in her way as temporary ice cubes.
 

goldenarms

Well-Known Member
#67
ragnarok1337 said:
goldenarms said:
Ketchum Kid's forum found!

BRB. I fully expect to get banned after I'm finished.
Ooh! I've GOTTA see this. *goes to FFN*
Took a while. There was just so much to talk about.

And this is just warm-up. His response, if he's not willing to take my opening seriously, is when I start working.
 
#68
@GoldenArms I'll take this down if you want, but I thought I save it in case he deleted it. Great job btw however forgive me for saying this, but isn't arguing with someone about a fic they've taken down feel kind of pointless? (Though I suppose I only have myself to blame for bringing it up.)

(If I did this right GA is Bold. KK isn't.)

What's annoying me at the moment is the fact that not everyone's reading all of my author notes or the original storyline for FoZ. This wouldn't annoy me so much if I didn't get reviews berating my work for actions already explained:

First and foremost, just because you "explained" it doesn't mean reviewers will accept that as a valid answer.


'And your Louise is so bitchy. To chain three kid like that is too much.' (bakapervert)

I'm not saying that bakapervert's a bad guy; however, in episode 2 of FoZ, Saito is chained up after he tried to run away. So chaining Fuka and Fumika for the same reasons, plus Negi for stripper sneeze, is completely canon to Louise's nature.

And it's massively OOC for Negi to not demand Louise to release his students. In fact, were talking about the same Negi who, in a near death state, ripped a stone spike that pierced through his lung and body and knocked the ** out of Fate with it just as he tried to petrify Setsuna.

You don't mess with Negi's students while Negi's around. Especially the unmagically aligned ones. That he hasn't said anything show you really don't understand the character and are trying to shoehorn him into an ill-fitting mold.

That's not wat convinced be to write this. The following post by Anynom Ragnarok, however, did:

'I must admit, I'm very disappointed. You're almost sticking directly to the canon timeline, and Louise is going far beyond borderline cruel with the different people. I don't think the children in Medieval times did stuff like that for no reason, and I would imagine that Luise's world, while medieval, isn't as grimdark as the real workd.

I mention again keeping to the canon timeline almost exactly. Even after Negi doing his stripping sneeze, which should definitely stink of magic, at least to Kirche, Louise blows it off like it's nothing.

And several viewers before brought up the issue of some people getting sucked up with Negi when they weren't anywhere nearby the Gateport incident.

And the whole staff issue? Really, it seems like Louise is blowing off every indication that Negi can use magic.

You have a very long way to go before this fic will go anywhere good in my opinion.'

First of all, in a fic like this, you almost have to stick to the canonnical timeline, especially in the early stages. I'm also melding three canons into one, since I'm using the light novels, the anime, AND the manga, all which have a different take on each scene. And it's not like I'm giving Negi Saito's lines word for word, either; they're spread around between his students.

See bakapervert for Louise's inhumane actions.

Mistake number one: You're trying to meld three different versions of the same universe into one story. Not going to work. You choose one universe -- light novel, anime, or manga -- and work from that. If something cool happens from another variant of the universe that doesn't happen in your base universe, go ahead and use it if it doesn't create conflict of the timeline/universe and doesn't interfere with the characters' natures.

Mistake number two: forcing Negiverse characters into the ZnT world without taking into consideration their actions and responses. You do not have to follow canonical timelines if the injected characters would react differently. People that think like that are uncreative and are going to make someone grossly OOC, no matter what they do. And you're also forcefeeding them Saito's lines and behaviors just for the sake of retaining this timeline. That's character rape. As I said before, do you expect me, someone who has read Negima, believe that Negi isn't going to say ** to Louise about chaining his students up like prisoners on a chain gang just because they wandered off?

Second, what does a train ride, the classroom, and a volleyball all have in common? They are all incidents when Negi had his tremendous sneeze. Never once did anyone who didn't know magic in those sneezes think that it was caused by magic.

Mistake number three: Mahora students at the time were ignorant of magic, and it was supposed to remain a huge masquerade that way. Consequentally, in the ZnT world, Magic is actually pretty damn well known. And despite Louise's seeming lack of talent for magic, she's quite knowledgeable about magic, magic theory, artifacts, summons and the various forms of magic. And there's no way in hell a commoner can sneeze hard enough to blow away people's clothing without the use of magic. At the very least, she's going to suspect something is very wrong with Negi, and his claims of being a magic user would seem a bit more true.

Which will also horrify her, as she's treating a noble like a common pet.

Next, the fact that I specifically used seven characters that did not go to the magic world. gwonbush brought it up last chapter, and I answered it:

'Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't I say that I'd get to it at a later date? I'll have it explained in chapter 4.'

Considering those seven weren't anywhere near any magic portals, you might want to explain some of that very quickly and go into full details in chapter 4. Things of that nature aren't easily accepted as "all part of the story" and require some immediate explanation in order to retain author credibility.

Of course, IIRC, the ones not at Gate Port didn't have pactios, either. Which demands more explanation than why people who were no where near the incident ending up in the ZnT world.


Then the thing about tthe staff. I'll have Kirche explain this one:

"Tabitha, anyone could get their hands on a staff that's similar toà"

**. Total and utter **.

Negi can call his staff to him at any time. Louise can try to take it from him, but two words and it'll be back in his hands. Not to mention he can just fly away from her and completely shatter her belief that he's a a mere commoner. And even then, Negi doesn't need his staff to do magic; he has that ring which works just as well.

Again, you're attempting to shoehorn the Negima characters into Saitos role in canon ZnT timeline so you don't have to "disrupt" anything. You even go so far as to make Louise confiscate every magical item from everyone so they can't show off magic and break the mold. If I want canon ZnT storyline, I'd just read canon ZnT material.

You completely missed the point of writing a crossover/fusion. It's not about making the interlopers behave like canon; it's explicitly about how the interlopers would react in a world not like their own. And let's say, Negi wouldn't be too pleased with what's going on here.


You see? By just simply reading the chapter CAREFULLY, and doing research on canon, all the questions are answered. What really gets under my skin, however, is the last sentence. After all the pro-canon points he misses, he/she goes on to say that this will go nowhere? It's easy to spot a bad fanfic. They usually have no core plotline, major errors, and massive OOCness. To my knowledge (and please, correct me if I'm wrong on this), this has yet to show any of that.

The fact that you're forcing eight character to take up Saito's role is a massive OOC moment. Negi not saying anything at the cruel treatment of his students is a massive OOC moment. Louise not even blinking at the fact that a "commoner" can sneeze off her clothes and not think something is grossly amiss is a massive OOC moment. Taking all their magical items (and Negi not even attempting to draw back his staff, regardless whether or not he needs to use it) is a massive OOC moment. I only read one and a half chapters, but you made a great number of OOC moments, not to mention plot twists that make no sense, as they're not even touched upon in my reading, giving people not associated with magic pactio contracts (to the twins, its just a pretty card -- they weren't taught how to use it, and I don't think the pactio would work anyway, since it was botched off a faux Negi).

Also remember how Negima seemed to be goig the way of Love Hina for the first two volumes, and then suddenly changed to the primary plotline.

This might be a news flash for you, but the truth is this -- Akamatsu wanted to write a shonen action series. His editors wanted him to make another romantic harem comedy. So, Akmatsu got creative -- he gave them what appeared to be another romantic harem, then slowly changed things until it became a shonen action series. Even better, his editors couldn't do anything about the conversion because the series had gotten popular.

The main storyline didn't change so much as it was never the real objective in the first place. The core of the story is Negi trying to become a great magister like his legendary father.

The question I have for you is, what kind of story are you trying to write with this mashup? You know what? i cant tell. All you've done is shoehorn Negima characters into Saito's role and stole away anything that might make them Negima characters. What makes this bad is that there are unexplained, improbable twists thrown into the story that makes little sense, and saying you'll explain it later does nothing for me as a reader. Mysterious pasts, you can explain later. How he executed some trick, you can explain later. Seemingly random characters showing up when there's not even a remotely plausible reason as to why they're here, you explain now. Otherwise, don't look surprised when you get called out on wankery.


I'm hugely sorry that I've had to take a post and write all this. Again, I do not mean any badness for the author and Anynom listed above. But I just needed to vent out my anger here, rather than in the middle of the story. I was in an argument with an author back in my Anynom days. I don't want to repeat it as an author.

I don't know what kind of argument you had back in the day, but you're not helping your case any by assuming you're in the right just because you're writing this story. If one person tells you something is wrong with the story, that's a coincidence. If two people are telling you something is wrong with the story, that's a pattern, and if three people are descrbing the same problem, you might want to stick your ego in the backseat (or in the trunk) and start listening up. Because somewhere down the line, you went wrong. Don't assume you know what you're doing; just step back, read what everyone's saying and start addressing things with a neutral critical eye like you're the reader. If you can't do that, then you have no business tryng to pass yourself off as a writer.
 

goldenarms

Well-Known Member
#69
Chaotic Symbolism said:
ragnarok1337 said:
I truly wish the fic were still up, so you could see just HOW bad it was. As it is, I don't remember enough, or rather, remember too many things to tell.
Just saying this: If she treated Negi like she treated Saito or worse for that matter Louise will be lucky to be alive after 3-A are done with her.

I mean seriously Asuna at most would just beat her up give her a taste of her own medicine, but if she managed to really tick off say Evangeline, Kaede, or Mana?

Okay to be honest I'm not sure what they do aside from swiftly knocking Louise out and running away with Negi (Kaede and Mana). In addition Louise chaining Fuuka and Fumika up in this story probably wouldn't win her points with Kaede.

Evangeline though... it would depend on her mood. She doesn't kill women or children and likely would consider Louise a waste of time. However there is the fact Evangeline probably considers Negi "hers". I expect her to leave Louise and anyone else who gets in her way as temporary ice cubes.
Believe it or not, he wasn't dumb enough to draw the whole class in, just seven muggles that were nowhere near a portal. The twins for certain, and probably the ones that went to London after Negi. I only read one and a half chapters, and wasn't really familiar with the characters at the time.

Needless to say, making Negi suffer is Eva's job and Louise might find herself casually tossed out of a window for stepping in her territory. Well, after Louise tried throwing her own weight around.

Chaotic Symbolism said:
@GoldenArms I'll take this down if you want, but I thought I save it in case he deleted it. Great job btw however forgive me for saying this, but isn't arguing with someone about a fic they've taken down feel kind of pointless? (Though I suppose I only have myself to blame for bringing it up.)á á?

GA is Bold. KK isn't.á
I see what you did there. :lol: I have no problem with it, though Saving it, JIC.

And it is kind of pointless after a fact, but holy shit did that post just rub me wrong. I fired off a review at the time basically telling him near the same thing, and even offered him a hand in working out the problems with the story and taking the next step in going Bold. :lol:

Post would have probably been even more awesome, had it not been censored to ** and back. :snigger:
 

ragnarok1337

Well-Known Member
#70
goldenarms said:
Chaotic Symbolism said:
ragnarok1337 said:
I truly wish the fic were still up, so you could see just HOW bad it was. As it is, I don't remember enough, or rather, remember too many things to tell.
Just saying this: If she treated Negi like she treated Saito or worse for that matter Louise will be lucky to be alive after 3-A are done with her.

I mean seriously Asuna at most would just beat her up give her a taste of her own medicine, but if she managed to really tick off say Evangeline, Kaede, or Mana?

Okay to be honest I'm not sure what they do aside from swiftly knocking Louise out and running away with Negi (Kaede and Mana). In addition Louise chaining Fuuka and Fumika up in this story probably wouldn't win her points with Kaede.

Evangeline though... it would depend on her mood. She doesn't kill women or children and likely would consider Louise a waste of time. However there is the fact Evangeline probably considers Negi "hers". I expect her to leave Louise and anyone else who gets in her way as temporary ice cubes.
Believe it or not, he wasn't dumb enough to draw the whole class in, just seven muggles that were nowhere near a portal. The twins for certain, and probably the ones that went to London after Negi. I only read one and a half chapters, and wasn't really familiar with the characters at the time.
The problem is KK said in one of his Author's notes that much of the rest of 3-A were also summoned, they were just scattered around the continent. And anyway, yeah, I'm looking forward to KK's response...assuming he doesn't just delete it.
 

goldenarms

Well-Known Member
#71
ragnarok1337 said:
goldenarms said:
Chaotic Symbolism said:
ragnarok1337 said:
I truly wish the fic were still up, so you could see just HOW bad it was. As it is, I don't remember enough, or rather, remember too many things to tell.
Just saying this: If she treated Negi like she treated Saito or worse for that matter Louise will be lucky to be alive after 3-A are done with her.

I mean seriously Asuna at most would just beat her up give her a taste of her own medicine, but if she managed to really tick off say Evangeline, Kaede, or Mana?

Okay to be honest I'm not sure what they do aside from swiftly knocking Louise out and running away with Negi (Kaede and Mana). In addition Louise chaining Fuuka and Fumika up in this story probably wouldn't win her points with Kaede.

Evangeline though... it would depend on her mood. She doesn't kill women or children and likely would consider Louise a waste of time. However there is the fact Evangeline probably considers Negi "hers". I expect her to leave Louise and anyone else who gets in her way as temporary ice cubes.
Believe it or not, he wasn't dumb enough to draw the whole class in, just seven muggles that were nowhere near a portal. The twins for certain, and probably the ones that went to London after Negi. I only read one and a half chapters, and wasn't really familiar with the characters at the time.
The problem is KK said in one of his Author's notes that much of the rest of 3-A were also summoned, they were just scattered around the continent. And anyway, yeah, I'm looking forward to KK's response...assuming he doesn't just delete it.
Oh...

:mellow:

Including Eva?

:mellow:

Nice knowing you Louise.

And slightly off the mark, but man, look at the background of <a href='http://zeronotsukaima.wikia.com/wiki/Void' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The ZnT Wiki</a>.

Louise mounted on a beaten and bloody Saito like a UFC champ.
 

Mercsenary

Well-Known Member
#72
goldenarms said:
ragnarok1337 said:
goldenarms said:
Chaotic Symbolism said:
ragnarok1337 said:
I truly wish the fic were still up, so you could see just HOW bad it was. As it is, I don't remember enough, or rather, remember too many things to tell.
Just saying this: If she treated Negi like she treated Saito or worse for that matter Louise will be lucky to be alive after 3-A are done with her.

I mean seriously Asuna at most would just beat her up give her a taste of her own medicine, but if she managed to really tick off say Evangeline, Kaede, or Mana?

Okay to be honest I'm not sure what they do aside from swiftly knocking Louise out and running away with Negi (Kaede and Mana). In addition Louise chaining Fuuka and Fumika up in this story probably wouldn't win her points with Kaede.

Evangeline though... it would depend on her mood. She doesn't kill women or children and likely would consider Louise a waste of time. However there is the fact Evangeline probably considers Negi "hers". I expect her to leave Louise and anyone else who gets in her way as temporary ice cubes.
Believe it or not, he wasn't dumb enough to draw the whole class in, just seven muggles that were nowhere near a portal. The twins for certain, and probably the ones that went to London after Negi. I only read one and a half chapters, and wasn't really familiar with the characters at the time.
The problem is KK said in one of his Author's notes that much of the rest of 3-A were also summoned, they were just scattered around the continent. And anyway, yeah, I'm looking forward to KK's response...assuming he doesn't just delete it.
Oh...

:mellow:

Including Eva?

:mellow:

Nice knowing you Louise.

And slightly off the mark, but man, look at the background of <a href='http://zeronotsukaima.wikia.com/wiki/Void' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The ZnT Wiki</a>.

Louise mounted on a beaten and bloody Saito like a UFC champ.
But isnt that funny and hilarious?

It's not like that in any way shape or form looks like domestic abuse nope.

:D

Imagine Negi like that.

There'd be nothing left.
 
#74
Obviously the reason why Louise is being so quick to treat Negi like Saito McRapist is that Louise is actually Evangeline, and pissed off about being stuck in Tristain for the past odd number of years pretending to be a no-talent hack and waiting for the rest of the class to show up.
 
#75
@GoldenArms: looks like Ketchum Kid deleted the thread in response to your review.

On his Daily Baka thread I found these month old posts. Looks like he understood that Magister of Zero wasn't all that great which is why it was deleted.

Ketchum Kid

Errors to MoZ C3 have been repaired...I'm a;so making a shout-out to all my SWA and PWS reviewers. The initial tone to MoZ has shifted. I know that I am following the events of canon, but if that is my style, that is my style. Yet to be called a troll...I don't know. I'm starting to lose faith in this story, but it's not in my nature to stop a story midway through. It's not fair to the people who like the work. So I ask any of you out there: If you have decent knowledge of Negima and Familiar of Zero, I beg you, read my story, and tell me how I am doing. I was initially doing a star crystal/Nagi search that would eventually lead back into the magical world (with the team approach to the final battle, rather than the Magia Ereba approach. But I honestly don't know what to do now...I need guidance...please...
Jun 06th, 8:15pm #23
Ketchum Kid

Due to the honest crappiness that is plahuing it, MoZ has been deleted. In its current form, it's not a viable story. Above all else, I do not troll. I don't think I could, even if I tried.
Jun 07th, 12:11pm #24
 
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