The Avengers *sigh*
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I think a lot hinges on just how powerful this version of Scarlet Witch is. In the comics she's a reality bender and one of the most powerful beings in the universe, but in the MCU her powers have been changed to telepathy and telekinesis. She also can trap people in illusions and seems to be able to use her psychic powers to hide her presence from others (but it's not foolproof). I doubt we've seen the full extent of her powers yet, so the question is just how far can she push it? In the movie she ripped Ultron's vibranium heart out of his vibranium body, so god damn she could probably rip any of the other avengers apart if she was really going for blood. But she was also in blood knight "you just killed my brother prepare to die" rage mode, so could she repeat that insane feat of telekinetic strength again, and would she be willing to murder someone like that?
Well, her powers vary in the comics as well. She's not physically any tougher than a normal human, so even a more experienced SW through most of her existence would probably get taken down.
Mentally unstable "No more mutants" SW not so much, but considering the level she's at in the films, I'm guessing the 1st team could take her down without a ton of trouble assuming she isn't able to sneak up and screw with them first. She's probably a decade or more away from reaching the point where she might be a real problem for them to deal with together in a fight. That is assuming all things are equal and she isn't able to get the drop on them.
The saner she is, the less dangerous she is it seems. Despite her rage at the loss of her brother, she's pretty stable here. Plus the Vision will probably help keep her even more stable assuming they go the same route with those two as the comics. She was pretty much bat shit crazy when she went all reality altering cosmic entity level.
Mentally unstable "No more mutants" SW not so much, but considering the level she's at in the films, I'm guessing the 1st team could take her down without a ton of trouble assuming she isn't able to sneak up and screw with them first. She's probably a decade or more away from reaching the point where she might be a real problem for them to deal with together in a fight. That is assuming all things are equal and she isn't able to get the drop on them.
The saner she is, the less dangerous she is it seems. Despite her rage at the loss of her brother, she's pretty stable here. Plus the Vision will probably help keep her even more stable assuming they go the same route with those two as the comics. She was pretty much bat shit crazy when she went all reality altering cosmic entity level.
If there's enough fan bitching about it, he'll change his tune. If the internet has a nerd rage aneurism over it he'll back off of that stance I bet.
The question is whether enough fan complaining will occur over it or not.
That's one of the nice things about the internet, it can slap guys like Feige across the face and make them see it if the fans aren't happy about something.
That said, it remains to be seen whether this will be one of those times the fans will come together and rage about something or not.
There's also the BS factor. It could just be Marvel jerking people's chains. They might have no plans one way or the other and are just making statements like that to test the waters and see how the public leans in regard to it. Of course they're going to claim he's 'really dead' regardless, just because saying 'he's not dead' lessens the impact of the film whether he really is or not.
No matter what, I'm guessing that statement is out there to find out what people think about the whole thing and they'll decide in the end based on the reaction, or lack of reaction, to it.
The question is whether enough fan complaining will occur over it or not.
That's one of the nice things about the internet, it can slap guys like Feige across the face and make them see it if the fans aren't happy about something.
That said, it remains to be seen whether this will be one of those times the fans will come together and rage about something or not.
There's also the BS factor. It could just be Marvel jerking people's chains. They might have no plans one way or the other and are just making statements like that to test the waters and see how the public leans in regard to it. Of course they're going to claim he's 'really dead' regardless, just because saying 'he's not dead' lessens the impact of the film whether he really is or not.
No matter what, I'm guessing that statement is out there to find out what people think about the whole thing and they'll decide in the end based on the reaction, or lack of reaction, to it.
Red wasn't worthy, he had magic gloves and Thor's belt of strength that allowed him to use Mjolnir because they contained Thor's essence.
Later he obtained a copy of it called Crusher. So I can see why you'd think that Nova meant him. He's similar to Beta Ray Bill in a lot of ways, but is a more direct rival to Thor and is usually fighting against him.
Odin brought him back to life a couple of times I think and he has turned heel and redeemed himself several times. Last I recall seeing him was the last Ragnarock story, where he was on the Asgardian's side. He's either still with them or in Valhalla, so not so poor bastard. He's redeemed himself if nothing else, at least for now.
He's probably one of Thor's biggest rivals actually, but doesn't get any credit for it.
He did fight Thor in a "death battle" a few times where neither one of them died. One of which was under Odin's command when Thor was at odds with his father. Odin made him Asgard's protector for a while.
He wasn't fighting him for the right to the throne like Beta Ray Bill was as far as I recall. He was just working for Odin at the time and I don't believe the throne came into it.
Later he obtained a copy of it called Crusher. So I can see why you'd think that Nova meant him. He's similar to Beta Ray Bill in a lot of ways, but is a more direct rival to Thor and is usually fighting against him.
Odin brought him back to life a couple of times I think and he has turned heel and redeemed himself several times. Last I recall seeing him was the last Ragnarock story, where he was on the Asgardian's side. He's either still with them or in Valhalla, so not so poor bastard. He's redeemed himself if nothing else, at least for now.
He's probably one of Thor's biggest rivals actually, but doesn't get any credit for it.
He did fight Thor in a "death battle" a few times where neither one of them died. One of which was under Odin's command when Thor was at odds with his father. Odin made him Asgard's protector for a while.
He wasn't fighting him for the right to the throne like Beta Ray Bill was as far as I recall. He was just working for Odin at the time and I don't believe the throne came into it.
Actually, I think you're right. It's been a long time since I read that story. Back when it was first printed. I've read a lot of Thor comics, but I don't actually own any. A friend of mine collected them, and we used to loan each other issues. I'd give him Spider-Man to read, and he'd hand me Thor. Read a lot of Superman that way too back when I was getting comics regularly, and he'd get Batman from me. There were a few other comics we'd trade back and forth as well. I used to get Heavy Metal and he'd get Mad Magazine, and we'd swap those as well. Still have a big stack of Heavy Metal. I don't think his parents had any idea what I was loaning him. 
Odin is all kinds of fucked up, but I think comic book Odin would pass the throne onto one of his other sons if Thor was unable to take it.
I think I had a brain fart about it because in the movies there's mention of the wielder being the heir to the throne of Asgard.
I think the issue with Bill keeping it even though he won is that he wasn't gong to stick around to help Asgard, and he had second thoughts about it anyway because it depowered Thor and he considered him a worthy opponent.
He was planning on returning to his people with the hammer and protecting them with it, which would have left Asgard without it's champion.
They ended up compromising and giving Bill Stormbreaker which works exactly like Mjolnir and is basically the weapon's twin. I think it even has the 'if he be worthy' inscription on it so that only Bill or some other worthy wielder can use it.
Red's hammer is a copy, but I believe it's weaker overall, but only slightly and has other interesting properties as it's sentient to the level of an animal and is basically as strong as Red's will. It's made of the same type of metal, but I don't recall if it was made by the dwarven blacksmith or not. I think the sentience of his weapon is what keeps others from wielding it, and not a rune spell like Mjolnir.
Odin is all kinds of fucked up, but I think comic book Odin would pass the throne onto one of his other sons if Thor was unable to take it.
I think I had a brain fart about it because in the movies there's mention of the wielder being the heir to the throne of Asgard.
I think the issue with Bill keeping it even though he won is that he wasn't gong to stick around to help Asgard, and he had second thoughts about it anyway because it depowered Thor and he considered him a worthy opponent.
He was planning on returning to his people with the hammer and protecting them with it, which would have left Asgard without it's champion.
They ended up compromising and giving Bill Stormbreaker which works exactly like Mjolnir and is basically the weapon's twin. I think it even has the 'if he be worthy' inscription on it so that only Bill or some other worthy wielder can use it.
Red's hammer is a copy, but I believe it's weaker overall, but only slightly and has other interesting properties as it's sentient to the level of an animal and is basically as strong as Red's will. It's made of the same type of metal, but I don't recall if it was made by the dwarven blacksmith or not. I think the sentience of his weapon is what keeps others from wielding it, and not a rune spell like Mjolnir.