The Avengers *sigh*
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Skaar, Hulk Jr. is not Banner's son. Hulk found a woman who could take it [literally] in Caiera the Oldstrong on Sakaar, the planet Planet Hulk takes place on. She wasn't human, but was tough enough to deal with the Hulk in bed on a fairly regular basis. She married him and was his Queen for a short time.
He's not sterile, there just aren't any women that can survive the Hulk getting frisky with them while he's still the big dumb brute without impulse control or the capacity for holding back when he gets excited.
In the Ultimate comics, he was able to have sex with human women once he became intelligent. He took an entire village worth of Tibetan women as sex slaves.
Sex with the Hulk is possible, it's just unlikely a woman would survive it in the state he's in during the MCU movies. Once he calms down and becomes the smarter Gray Hulk, it's entirely possible he can get some without killing the woman.
We probably won't be seeing that given the tone and ratings of the Marvel films, but it's canon that it could happen.
He's not sterile, there just aren't any women that can survive the Hulk getting frisky with them while he's still the big dumb brute without impulse control or the capacity for holding back when he gets excited.
In the Ultimate comics, he was able to have sex with human women once he became intelligent. He took an entire village worth of Tibetan women as sex slaves.
Sex with the Hulk is possible, it's just unlikely a woman would survive it in the state he's in during the MCU movies. Once he calms down and becomes the smarter Gray Hulk, it's entirely possible he can get some without killing the woman.
We probably won't be seeing that given the tone and ratings of the Marvel films, but it's canon that it could happen.
So...
Does Vision have any of JARVIS's memories? When he says that he isn't JARVIS, is he saying that he isn't Just A Rather Very Intelligent System anymore? It's mentioned that after Ultron's attack that JARVIS "dumped his memory but not his protocols," but he recognises Bruce later on and seemed fully mentally intact, at least enough to agree to Tony's plan.
Is Vision, like, Ultron and JARVIS's kid, or JARVIS but a real boy now? Should Tony be mourning the death of what may have been the closest thing he'd ever have to a son (while being freaked out about the artificial being walking around with his voice,) or feel like a father who's child is finally all grown up? I don't know how to feel, dammit! This is even worse than it was with Coulson!
Man, I really hope the extended cut has more Tony/Vision interaction. I need answers!
Is Vision, like, Ultron and JARVIS's kid, or JARVIS but a real boy now? Should Tony be mourning the death of what may have been the closest thing he'd ever have to a son (while being freaked out about the artificial being walking around with his voice,) or feel like a father who's child is finally all grown up? I don't know how to feel, dammit! This is even worse than it was with Coulson!
Man, I really hope the extended cut has more Tony/Vision interaction. I need answers!
I'd say that Vision is more like a fusion of Ultron and JARVIS. Ultron was uploading a copy of his brain into Vision's body when the Avengers interrupted him, and I believe the progress bar on the computer was around 40% complete when Ultron unplugged himself to go fight the Avengers. Tony then uploaded what remained of JARVIS's programming into Vision in order to finish Vision's incomplete mind pattern. So basically, Vision has Ultron's sentience and intelligence, but JARVIS's idealism and moral code. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
Not being able to have children =/= not being able to have sex. How far they actually went isn't cut and dry. Plus, I took it more to mean that he couldn't offer her what Hawkeye and his family has and that they had no picket house with three kids and a dog in their house waiting for them when it is all said and done.
I viewed it as definite but how you guys view it is all you. Part of the reason I hated the whole scene considering the Monster nonsense.
I viewed it as definite but how you guys view it is all you. Part of the reason I hated the whole scene considering the Monster nonsense.
Banner makes it clear that he isn't talking about being sterile. He mentions that he can't have a family and a home, but he doesn't mean because he is incapable of siring children. It's because he can never settle down or deal with the frustration of parenting or being in a relationship without worrying about losing it and smashing them when he gets upset or excited.
He hasn't done it with her because he knows he might hurt her. He has to stay calm to keep the big green guy at bay. Incredible Hulk is canon for the MCU, there's a post credits scene where Stark visits General Ross. Banner being unable to have sex is canon for the MCU and he doesn't have enough control to risk trying it even in the Avengers films. His nervousness throughout is a clear indication of that, he's often barely holding on to keep the Hulk inside of him without being excited or in a stressful situation.
Sex is a no go for Banner because of the Hulk. That's not just an 'interpretation' of the scene. It's established canon from the previous stand alone Hulk movie and the scene clearly alludes to it in the way he talks about his condition. He never mentions anything about being sterile, but focuses on how he can't settle down and how dangerous he is. He isn't getting laid, there's no doubt of that at all given the context of the scenes and previous history in canon within the MCU.
He hasn't done it with her because he knows he might hurt her. He has to stay calm to keep the big green guy at bay. Incredible Hulk is canon for the MCU, there's a post credits scene where Stark visits General Ross. Banner being unable to have sex is canon for the MCU and he doesn't have enough control to risk trying it even in the Avengers films. His nervousness throughout is a clear indication of that, he's often barely holding on to keep the Hulk inside of him without being excited or in a stressful situation.
Sex is a no go for Banner because of the Hulk. That's not just an 'interpretation' of the scene. It's established canon from the previous stand alone Hulk movie and the scene clearly alludes to it in the way he talks about his condition. He never mentions anything about being sterile, but focuses on how he can't settle down and how dangerous he is. He isn't getting laid, there's no doubt of that at all given the context of the scenes and previous history in canon within the MCU.
The scene still drives home the fact that he's not going to risk it.
He's got a son in the comics, so I'm sure he's not sterile as well. Planet Hulk is a possibility in the future, and even if they never get around to it, I'm pretty sure they're not going to sterilize him and close that door for no reason.
The rumors about the possibility of the movie happening being so popular are a pretty good reason for Marvel and Disney to not do something like that. World War Hulk is the next step after that, and Skaar is a pretty big part of that.
I think it's a case of not burning bridges as much as anything else. A sterile Hulk is a pretty pointless plot point and takes a possibility off the table for the future of the franchise.
He's got a son in the comics, so I'm sure he's not sterile as well. Planet Hulk is a possibility in the future, and even if they never get around to it, I'm pretty sure they're not going to sterilize him and close that door for no reason.
The rumors about the possibility of the movie happening being so popular are a pretty good reason for Marvel and Disney to not do something like that. World War Hulk is the next step after that, and Skaar is a pretty big part of that.
I think it's a case of not burning bridges as much as anything else. A sterile Hulk is a pretty pointless plot point and takes a possibility off the table for the future of the franchise.
Contrabardus, you sure are trying awful hard to say there's absolutely no way the Hulk can be sterile. Is there something you want to share with the class?
Bad jokes aside, chill your pills, jeez. I know Planet Hulk is a great storyline and all, I'm just saying there's nothing in the movies proving it can't be so. And it could happen because radiation. Though if you're going to start another 10 sentence explanation of how I'm wrong and how you want the Hulk's son to show up in the MCU [along with She-Hulk, the Red Hulks, and whoever else], you don't NEED to, because you did enough already.
If you do, I'm gonna think you're being contrarian just for the sake of it.
Bad jokes aside, chill your pills, jeez. I know Planet Hulk is a great storyline and all, I'm just saying there's nothing in the movies proving it can't be so. And it could happen because radiation. Though if you're going to start another 10 sentence explanation of how I'm wrong and how you want the Hulk's son to show up in the MCU [along with She-Hulk, the Red Hulks, and whoever else], you don't NEED to, because you did enough already.
If you do, I'm gonna think you're being contrarian just for the sake of it.
My last post was four sentences, and you apparently don't get how internet discussion forums work because discussing topics like this are half the reason this forum is here in the first place. The other half is fanfiction, which should mostly be discussed in a different thread. This one is all about the Avenger Age of Ultron and discussing things related to it. As the topic of whether Hulk's balls work or not stems directly from the film, we're completely on topic discussing it here.
If you don't want to talk about it, what are you doing here in a fan discussion thread on a forum like this in the first place?
Other iterations of the character clearly suggest he's not sterile, and there's no evidence whatsoever that suggests that the films contradict it or ever will. There's no good reason to believe that he is or that it ever will be the case at all. Suggesting he might be is simply a baseless supposition without any evidence to support it and there's no good reason to entertain the possibility given the fact that there's plenty of indirect evidence that suggests he's not.
If you don't want to talk about it, what are you doing here in a fan discussion thread on a forum like this in the first place?
Other iterations of the character clearly suggest he's not sterile, and there's no evidence whatsoever that suggests that the films contradict it or ever will. There's no good reason to believe that he is or that it ever will be the case at all. Suggesting he might be is simply a baseless supposition without any evidence to support it and there's no good reason to entertain the possibility given the fact that there's plenty of indirect evidence that suggests he's not.
It's also technically a baseless supposition without actual evidence to support it within the movies to say that Black Widow slept with four Avengers, but here we are. All we have to go from is that Jeremy Renner said it, possibly because of the character notes, but for all I know that's just their own headcanon about the characters they played.
Meanwhile, if your own evidence would be 'Black Widow is a sexy spygirl so she'd definitely sleep with them', mine is mostly 'the Hulk is a radiation monster who got hit by enough radiation to kill a man and yet survived'. I even used a 'maybe' qualifier, if you haven't noticed, so it doesn't really merit a reaction this strong.
I was making a joke. If it's not funny then it's not funny, but you don't have to defend the Hulk's masculinity and how he must have children in a movie series where we have no idea whether it's going to come into play. Now that I've fully explained my point, are you going to stay defensive about this?
Meanwhile, if your own evidence would be 'Black Widow is a sexy spygirl so she'd definitely sleep with them', mine is mostly 'the Hulk is a radiation monster who got hit by enough radiation to kill a man and yet survived'. I even used a 'maybe' qualifier, if you haven't noticed, so it doesn't really merit a reaction this strong.
I was making a joke. If it's not funny then it's not funny, but you don't have to defend the Hulk's masculinity and how he must have children in a movie series where we have no idea whether it's going to come into play. Now that I've fully explained my point, are you going to stay defensive about this?
It should be noted that Hulk's physical state is NOT affected by Banner's, as proved by the The End miniseries where Banner DIES but Hulk plods on without him and all he has to show for it is Banner no longer being in his head. So it's entirely possible that Banner is sterile and Hulk isn't because their bodies might as well be different people entirely. There was even one time when Banner was blind but Hulk could see fine, save he reverted to being blind when he turned back to Banner...
That's the sort of thing that would have come up. Especially in the Ultimate comics where everyone fucks everyone else.
No one ever mentions it, so it's a pretty good indicator that it's not the case considering the sorts of topics modern comics cover.
That's not direct proof that he's not, but it's a pretty strong indicator considering how much Marvel likes stuff like that in modern stories. Especially, considering Bruce was married for a long time. I'm pretty sure he'd have tested for something like that.
If I ever become a writer for the Hulk, I'll do it. In fact, I'll make Banner jizz downright toxic and lethal to women while Hulk spooge would be perfectly safe.
Still, no good reason to believe that's the case. Like I said, Marvel has a hard on for that kind of melodrama, so if they haven't done it by now, it's a good bet they probably won't. Not unless one of us becomes writers and gets it past the editors anyway.
Honestly, considering Bruce was married for a long time, I'm pretty sure he'd have tested for something like that.
No one ever mentions it, so it's a pretty good indicator that it's not the case considering the sorts of topics modern comics cover.
That's not direct proof that he's not, but it's a pretty strong indicator considering how much Marvel likes stuff like that in modern stories. Especially, considering Bruce was married for a long time. I'm pretty sure he'd have tested for something like that.
If I ever become a writer for the Hulk, I'll do it. In fact, I'll make Banner jizz downright toxic and lethal to women while Hulk spooge would be perfectly safe.
Still, no good reason to believe that's the case. Like I said, Marvel has a hard on for that kind of melodrama, so if they haven't done it by now, it's a good bet they probably won't. Not unless one of us becomes writers and gets it past the editors anyway.
Honestly, considering Bruce was married for a long time, I'm pretty sure he'd have tested for something like that.
Uh, the original reason why Betty died was because Banner irradiated her when they were married. Take a guess how. It was later retconned in an infected blood transfusion from Abomination, and even later on 'hahaha it didn't kill her after all'.
Marvel is inconsistent as fuck with its own storylines, so 'it happened now' doesn't mean squat. Remember the whole 'Magneto is drugged up on a mutant sentient fungus drug' arc? No? That's because Marvel is pretending real hard it never existed. Like The Other for Spiderman, with the whole spider totem hubbub.
Marvel is inconsistent as fuck with its own storylines, so 'it happened now' doesn't mean squat. Remember the whole 'Magneto is drugged up on a mutant sentient fungus drug' arc? No? That's because Marvel is pretending real hard it never existed. Like The Other for Spiderman, with the whole spider totem hubbub.
Incorrect, Banner did not irradiate her with his penis. She was irradiated by regular and prolonged exposure to the Hulk, not because Banner was sleeping with her.
They might have retconned it into sex after the fact years later, but I don't recall that ever happening. At the time it happened that sort of thing was a no go for comics. She was the one person who had the most physical contact with the big green guy and developed radiation sickness because of that, not because he poisoned her with his sperm. Banner wasn't the cause of it at all, it was the Hulk himself. The Hulk literally saved her to death by having too much direct contact with her.
Then there was the whole mess where he tried to cure her, but Abomination switched out the blood samples and she 'died' from that.
As far as I know the only Marvel character to ever kill someone with their toxic penis goo was an AU version of Spider-Man.
They might have retconned it into sex after the fact years later, but I don't recall that ever happening. At the time it happened that sort of thing was a no go for comics. She was the one person who had the most physical contact with the big green guy and developed radiation sickness because of that, not because he poisoned her with his sperm. Banner wasn't the cause of it at all, it was the Hulk himself. The Hulk literally saved her to death by having too much direct contact with her.
Then there was the whole mess where he tried to cure her, but Abomination switched out the blood samples and she 'died' from that.
As far as I know the only Marvel character to ever kill someone with their toxic penis goo was an AU version of Spider-Man.
Avengers: Infinity War to be first Hollywood blockbuster to be shoot entirely in IMAX
CA: CW will use IMAX cameras for the fight scenes, apparently.
CA: CW will use IMAX cameras for the fight scenes, apparently.
So... now the big question:
1st iteration of the Avengers (Cap, Black Widow, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Thor and Hulk) vs. the 2nd iteration
Who wins?
Round 1: No team has any knowledge of the other.
Round 2: Everyone is aware of everyone's basic power/skillset.
1st iteration of the Avengers (Cap, Black Widow, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Thor and Hulk) vs. the 2nd iteration
Cap, Black Widow, War Machine, Falcon, Vision and the Scarlet Witch.
Who wins?
Round 1: No team has any knowledge of the other.
Round 2: Everyone is aware of everyone's basic power/skillset.
Definitely the 1st team.
I have a lot of love for the second team's members, but honestly they are all second stringers. Most of them couldn't carry their own book for more than a short time.
Four out of the seven original members in the movies have had running series since at least the 60s.
Captain America was created in the 40s and is the oldest of the bunch, but he'd also be the only one of the big guns on both teams, so he'd cancel himself out. You could say the same of Natasha.
Vision would probably give them the most trouble. They'd probably try to take out Scarlet Witch early. She's essentially a glass cannon.
The others would get steamrolled pretty easily.
I have a lot of love for the second team's members, but honestly they are all second stringers. Most of them couldn't carry their own book for more than a short time.
Four out of the seven original members in the movies have had running series since at least the 60s.
Captain America was created in the 40s and is the oldest of the bunch, but he'd also be the only one of the big guns on both teams, so he'd cancel himself out. You could say the same of Natasha.
Vision would probably give them the most trouble. They'd probably try to take out Scarlet Witch early. She's essentially a glass cannon.
The others would get steamrolled pretty easily.
If Falcon is the new Hawkeye and Vision is the new Thor, I think Scarlet Witch is supposed to be the new "Big Gun," although obviously she's far more of a Glass Cannon than a Lightning Bruiser. Can she use her Telepathy for stealth? She sneaks up on everyone but Hawkeye in the factory. If so, her playing Rogue in round 1 could be a major problem.
Also, there's the fact that Avengers 1.0 tend to keep the Hulk back unless he's really needed ("Code Green.") So initially it'd be 6 on 5. Unless Tony brings in the Iron Legion Armor Drones.
I can't really see Falcon as being that much faster or more manoeuvrable than the Chitauri Chariots Hawkeye was blowing out of the sky in Avengers 1, so I imagine he'd be one of the 1st to go down. I'd put money on Tony beating Rhodes any day of the week (better tech, JARVIS/FRIDAY would probably be able to break into the War Machine Mark 2 systems, and I just don't think the Miniguns are up to the task of penetrating the Mark 43/45 without sustained contact.)
Thor could have a lot of trouble with Vision though, what with Vision being able to wield Mjolnir.
Also, there's the fact that Avengers 1.0 tend to keep the Hulk back unless he's really needed ("Code Green.") So initially it'd be 6 on 5. Unless Tony brings in the Iron Legion Armor Drones.
I can't really see Falcon as being that much faster or more manoeuvrable than the Chitauri Chariots Hawkeye was blowing out of the sky in Avengers 1, so I imagine he'd be one of the 1st to go down. I'd put money on Tony beating Rhodes any day of the week (better tech, JARVIS/FRIDAY would probably be able to break into the War Machine Mark 2 systems, and I just don't think the Miniguns are up to the task of penetrating the Mark 43/45 without sustained contact.)
Thor could have a lot of trouble with Vision though, what with Vision being able to wield Mjolnir.