Naruto The Naruto Question Thread

[Knyght]

Questions seem to be thrown around in random threads so I figured that this would be easier. This thread is for asking any question about the Naruto series that you want answers for.

I'll start it off:

How long, roughly, did the Rookie's Chuunin Exam take place after their graduation?

What effect does Nature Transformation have on elemental ninjutsu? E.g. If Sasuke masters fire nature transformation and then performs the Goukakyuu no Jutsu using that method, what difference would it make?

 

[Samurai Jackson]

I always saw it as the difference between say, using hand seals to perform a fire jutsu versus converting your chakra into fire-nature for more versatile use, like channeling it into your weapons (or possibly even your fists if mastering your element allows you to use it w/o any harm) for added damage. Plus as we've seen with Naruto and Sasuke, mastering your elemental affinity is necessary for creating and/or modifying techniques as well as effectively using ninjutsu. Consider how far Sasuke came with his lightning affinity that he can use Chidori and it's variants w/o hand seals.

 

[Knyght]

Cheers, SJ.

Next question: Was Kimimaro helping Orochimaru kill the Kazekage ever stated in the manga, or was it from the anime?

 

[nixofcyzerra]

Questions seem to be thrown around in random threads so I figured that this would be easier. This thread is for asking any question about the Naruto series that you want answers for.

I'll start it off:

How long, roughly, did the Rookie's Chuunin Exam take place after their graduation?

What effect does Nature Transformation have on elemental ninjutsu? E.g. If Sasuke masters fire nature transformation and then performs the Goukakyuu no Jutsu using that method, what difference would it make?

With regards to the great fireball jutsu, Sasuke could drop the tora seal. It might also be more energy efficient/stronger but that's not confirmed.

 

[seitora]

My question: Has there ever been a firm timeline established for the exact time period and how long the Second and Third Great Shinobi Wars were?

We know that the 3GSW was going on during Kakashi's 13th birthday, and Kakashi is roughly 14 years older than Naruto is, giving Minato around a yearish as Yondaime. I don't recall any indication how long it went on for though.

The Second Great Shinobi War is the real aggravating one. It's when the Sannin fought Hanzo, and Jiraiya taught the Ame Three shortly thereafter, but I don't think there's any real concrete date, just approximately 25-30 years before start of the series.

 

[daniel_gudman]

Mn... in my reading, you can't do elemental jutsu without learning how to convert your chakra into that element, period. There's no "shortcut" handseal.

But, some people disagree with me on that....

 

[Knyght]

My question: Has there ever been a firm timeline established for the exact time period and how long the Second and Third Great Shinobi Wars were?

We know that the 3GSW was going on during Kakashi's 13th birthday, and Kakashi is roughly 14 years older than Naruto is, giving Minato around a yearish as Yondaime. I don't recall any indication how long it went on for though.

The Second Great Shinobi War is the real aggravating one. It's when the Sannin fought Hanzo, and Jiraiya taught the Ame Three shortly thereafter, but I don't think there's any real concrete date, just approximately 25-30 years before start of the series.

I don't think Kishi's ever created a timeline. So, no.

Working it out from the ages of certain characters and hints in manga is the only way to come close.

Mn... in my reading, you can't do elemental jutsu without learning how to convert your chakra into that element, period. There's no "shortcut" handseal.

But, some people disagree with me on that....

Main argument against that is Sasuke learning his first Katon jutsu, which you're probably already aware of.

 

[Altered Nova]

Mn... in my reading, you can't do elemental jutsu without learning how to convert your chakra into that element, period. There's no "shortcut" handseal.

But, some people disagree with me on that....

Main argument against that is Sasuke learning his first Katon jutsu, which you're probably already aware of.

Yeah, that is the issue. Sasuke learned the Great Fireball technique in one week of solo training, after being shown the handseals once. When he was 7 years old. There was absolutely no mention of any elemental training. And according to Fugaku, Itachi successfully performed the jutsu on his first attempt, at the same age.

I know they are both geniuses, but I have a hard time believing that they had both already mastered fire elemental training before being shown that jutsu. Itachi yeah, but not Sasuke.

On the other hand, if there were "shortcut" handseals, you'd think you'd see more genin using elemental jutsu. It's been pointed out Sasuke is unusual in knowing elemental jutsu at that age, usually only Chuunin or better know them. He's pretty much the only character in the Chuunin exam who knew any (only Temari, if I recall correctly.)

 

[trevelyan1983]

The way I figure it, Hand Seals are the shortcut - the long way of doing it is elemental recomposition training. Sasuke and Naruto both have panels where they start producing elemental chakra with no hand seals at all.

Of course, there are also panels where Sasuke had to use hand seals to activate techniques that he can activate without them. So, yeah.

 

[Knyght]

Mn... in my reading, you can't do elemental jutsu without learning how to convert your chakra into that element, period. There's no "shortcut" handseal.

But, some people disagree with me on that....

Main argument against that is Sasuke learning his first Katon jutsu, which you're probably already aware of.

Yeah, that is the issue. Sasuke learned the Great Fireball technique in one week of solo training, after being shown the handseals once. When he was 7 years old. There was absolutely no mention of any elemental training. And according to Fugaku, Itachi successfully performed the jutsu on his first attempt, at the same age.

I know they are both geniuses, but I have a hard time believing that they had both already mastered fire elemental training before being shown that jutsu. Itachi yeah, but not Sasuke.

On the other hand, if there were "shortcut" handseals, you'd think you'd see more genin using elemental jutsu. It's been pointed out Sasuke is unusual in knowing elemental jutsu at that age, usually only Chuunin or better know them. He's pretty much the only character in the Chuunin exam who knew any (only Temari, if I recall correctly.)

Probably because it's unlikely that any elemental jutsu are below C-rank and regular rookie genin wouldn't have the chakra reserves for it. That was what surprised Kakashi initially I believe.

There's also the fact that many of the genin would come from clans and would be focusing on learning their hijutsu first and foremost. These would be their foundation in addition to what they're taught at the Academy. They wouldn't need to know elemental jutsu even if they were able to.

Temari's an unusual case since she's only used an actual Fuuton jutsu during the latest arc. It's possible that her earlier techniques are just shape transformation; she generates air currents with her fan and then use her chakra to manipulate and direct them. It's debatable though.

 

[MinusMagnus]

Questions seem to be thrown around in random threads so I figured that this would be easier. This thread is for asking any question about the Naruto series that you want answers for.

I'll start it off:

How long, roughly, did the Rookie's Chuunin Exam take place after their graduation?

I would say that it is something from 3 to 8 months at it's minimum and maximum respectively.
It was shown that Team 7 did many simple missions before Naruto snapped (a few days to a month, tops). Note that they were also (despite what fanon may tell you) training during that time.
Then when they went to Wave Country they had to wait for the client to finish a fricking bridge before going back. It is never stated just how long it was supposed to be or how much Tazuna had already done by the time of Zabuza's second atack so, yeah...
End then they did a few more missions before the exams (that, I think, was only on the anime but I'm not sure). Wich is a few more days to weeks.

I personally believe it was about half a year between the graduation and the exams. Seen reasonable (again, just for me) that the craziest graduatees would try to get a promotion after that time.

 

[Knyght]

Questions seem to be thrown around in random threads so I figured that this would be easier. This thread is for asking any question about the Naruto series that you want answers for.

I'll start it off:

How long, roughly, did the Rookie's Chuunin Exam take place after their graduation?

I would say that it is something from 3 to 8 months at it's minimum and maximum respectively.
It was shown that Team 7 did many simple missions before Naruto snapped (a few days to a month, tops). Note that they were also (despite what fanon may tell you) training during that time.
Then when they went to Wave Country they had to wait for the client to finish a fricking bridge before going back. It is never stated just how long it was supposed to be or how much Tazuna had already done by the time of Zabuza's second atack so, yeah...
End then they did a few more missions before the exams (that, I think, was only on the anime but I'm not sure). Wich is a few more days to weeks.

I personally believe it was about half a year between the graduation and the exams. Seen reasonable (again, just for me) that the craziest graduatees would try to get a promotion after that time.

We've just about come to the same conclusion then.

The Wave Arc was 3-4 weeks long; travelling to Wave, the week spent training the finale, then they spent another two weeks there before putting down offerings at Zabuza and Haku's grave and preparing.

Afterwards, Sasuke was complaing about all the missions they were receiving and Sakura was growing discontent with her own place, so there was definitely a time gap.

I'm thinking 4-6 months, leaning more towards later than sooner.

 

[Rahlian]

I forget where I sourced it, but my notes say graduation was Oct 15, and the Chunin Exam begins July 1, as seen <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-39-19/naruto/chapter-34.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>, so like 9 1/2 months.

 

[Ashaman]

I forget where I sourced it, but my notes say graduation was Oct 15, and the Chunin Exam begins July 1, as seen <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-39-19/naruto/chapter-34.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>, so like 9 1/2 months.

Nah. After the White Rabbit incident in wave, Kakashi comments that its <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-16-16/naruto/chapter-11.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>spring</a>, and directly before they met Tazuna, Sarutobi comments that they're still <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-14-9/naruto/chapter-9.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>fresh genin</a>. I doubt Sarutobi would refer to them as such 4 or 5 months after they graduated.

I'm going to have to say graduation was March - April at the earlist, which fits with Japanese school terms, now that I think about it.

So if Chunin Exams start 1st July, and they graduated 1st April, then 3 months, maybe 3 and 1/2.

 

[Knyght]

Naruto graduates -> D-rank missions (1 month) -> Wave Arc (1 month) -> More missions (1 month) -> Chuunin exam (1 month, 1 week) -> Post Chuunin Exam/Tsunade Search (1-3 weeks) -> Tsunade's Return/Sasuke's Defection (2 days) -> Post Sasuke Defection/Naruto leaves (3 months).

A very rough, not-quite-timeline.

 

[jyusan]

I forget where I sourced it, but my notes say graduation was Oct 15, and the Chunin Exam begins July 1, as seen <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-39-19/naruto/chapter-34.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>, so like 9 1/2 months.

Nah. After the White Rabbit incident in wave, Kakashi comments that its <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-16-16/naruto/chapter-11.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>spring</a>, and directly before they met Tazuna, Sarutobi comments that they're still <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-14-9/naruto/chapter-9.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>fresh genin</a>. I doubt Sarutobi would refer to them as such 4 or 5 months after they graduated.

I'm going to have to say graduation was March - April at the earlist, which fits with Japanese school terms, now that I think about it.

So if Chunin Exams start 1st July, and they graduated 1st April, then 3 months, maybe 3 and 1/2.

But sometime between graduation and the Chunin exam finals, Naruto has a birthday that isn't shown onscreen.

At the beginning of the Manga, Mizuki mentions that the fox was sealed twelve years ago. At one point during the chunin exams, Sarutobi mentions that it was thirteen years ago.

Also, the Exams happen twice a year. For it to not be brought up means that less than 6 months passed between graduation and the Exam in the manga.

 

[Rahlian]

I forget where I sourced it, but my notes say graduation was Oct 15, and the Chunin Exam begins July 1, as seen <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-39-19/naruto/chapter-34.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>, so like 9 1/2 months.

Nah. After the White Rabbit incident in wave, Kakashi comments that its <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-16-16/naruto/chapter-11.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>spring</a>, and directly before they met Tazuna, Sarutobi comments that they're still <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-14-9/naruto/chapter-9.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>fresh genin</a>. I doubt Sarutobi would refer to them as such 4 or 5 months after they graduated.

I'm going to have to say graduation was March - April at the earlist, which fits with Japanese school terms, now that I think about it.

So if Chunin Exams start 1st July, and they graduated 1st April, then 3 months, maybe 3 and 1/2.

Hm... okay then, i will give you the rabbit comment. This is their first Chunin Exam, Tenten and Lee refer to the Rookie Nine as rookies <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-41-1/naruto/chapter-36.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>. I think that Sarutobi could still refer to the Rookie 9 as rookies as well.

 

[Ashaman]

I forget where I sourced it, but my notes say graduation was Oct 15, and the Chunin Exam begins July 1, as seen <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-39-19/naruto/chapter-34.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>, so like 9 1/2 months.

Nah. After the White Rabbit incident in wave, Kakashi comments that its <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-16-16/naruto/chapter-11.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>spring</a>, and directly before they met Tazuna, Sarutobi comments that they're still <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-14-9/naruto/chapter-9.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>fresh genin</a>. I doubt Sarutobi would refer to them as such 4 or 5 months after they graduated.

I'm going to have to say graduation was March - April at the earlist, which fits with Japanese school terms, now that I think about it.

So if Chunin Exams start 1st July, and they graduated 1st April, then 3 months, maybe 3 and 1/2.

Hm... okay then, i will give you the rabbit comment. This is their first Chunin Exam, Tenten and Lee refer to the Rookie Nine as rookies <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-41-1/naruto/chapter-36.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>. I think that Sarutobi could still refer to the Rookie 9 as rookies as well.

True enough, but there is a difference between being a 'Rookie' and Sarutobi commenting that they 'just recently became genin' (exact words this time)

I can imagine a month and a half, and still being said to have 'Just recently graduated', but more than that and it becomes a stretch. 2+ months and Naruto's tantrum goes from childish to understandable.

 

[Rahlian]

I forget where I sourced it, but my notes say graduation was Oct 15, and the Chunin Exam begins July 1, as seen <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-39-19/naruto/chapter-34.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>, so like 9 1/2 months.

Nah. After the White Rabbit incident in wave, Kakashi comments that its <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-16-16/naruto/chapter-11.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>spring</a>, and directly before they met Tazuna, Sarutobi comments that they're still <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-14-9/naruto/chapter-9.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>fresh genin</a>. I doubt Sarutobi would refer to them as such 4 or 5 months after they graduated.

I'm going to have to say graduation was March - April at the earlist, which fits with Japanese school terms, now that I think about it.

So if Chunin Exams start 1st July, and they graduated 1st April, then 3 months, maybe 3 and 1/2.

Hm... okay then, i will give you the rabbit comment. This is their first Chunin Exam, Tenten and Lee refer to the Rookie Nine as rookies <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-41-1/naruto/chapter-36.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>. I think that Sarutobi could still refer to the Rookie 9 as rookies as well.

True enough, but there is a difference between being a 'Rookie' and Sarutobi commenting that they 'just recently became genin' (exact words this time)

I can imagine a month and a half, and still being said to have 'Just recently graduated', but more than that and it becomes a stretch. 2+ months and Naruto's tantrum goes from childish to understandable.

Well, 'recent' can cover a large period of time IMO. Naruto graduated from the most recent class, which could be up to a year ago (assuming one class per year) so...

 

[ankokudaishogun]

? Temari's an unusual case since she's only used an actual Fuuton jutsu during the latest arc.

Temari is also 2 years older than the Rookie 9s

and didn't Jiraiya tell Naruto the Rasengan would need something like 100 handseals to do without shape manipulation?


Ah, and Sasuke did leanr Gogakyu no Jutsu in one DAY, and no trace of nature manipulation was in the instructions his father did give him

On the other hand, if there were "shortcut" handseals, you'd think you'd see more genin using elemental jutsu.

You need somebody to tell you the handsigns and how to move the chakra, too.

just note how all those without Hiden\Hijutsu or Kekkei Genkai do, in fact, use elemental jutsu.

 

[Knyght]

Temari is also 2 years older than the Rookie 9s

Yeah, and? I was simply noting that, despite the fact Temari's entire fighting style consists of wind jutsu, this is first time we saw he use an actual Fuuton jutsu.

and didn't Jiraiya tell Naruto the Rasengan would need something like 100 handseals to do without shape manipulation?

No.

Ah, and Sasuke did leanr Gogakyu no Jutsu in one DAY, and no trace of nature manipulation was in the instructions his father did give him

This page implies it was a week:

 

[Amberion]

You guys got to remember that elemental chakra did not exist pre-timeskip.

 

[Rahlian]

Are we ever given a rough estimate (other than in comparison to other villages) of Konoha's population?

 

[ankokudaishogun]

This page implies it was a week:

...how does this page implies a week?
Fugaku is saying: "You wouldn't be good enough to learn it even in a week",
Which doesn't mean a week passed.

The previous page, couple with this, instead implies(showing the moon) Sasuke did train all the night.



edit: I just realized something. Either Sasuke was greatly weakened by his Tsukuyomi-induced coma, or Naruto somehow did manage to become fast as Lee without weights during the search for Tsunade without even training for that.
Otherwise, Sasuke should have been able to speed-blitz Naruto

 

[Knyght]

To me, Fugaku's saying that just a week wouldn't have made a difference and trying to teach him again would be pointless.