The New Order

Ordo

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#1
A few years from now, a young woman with extraordinary powers appears in Japan. Known as Serenity, she, her husband, and a group of young women become the leaders of that nation. Within five years she is the recognized Empress of Japan and is slowly spreading her influence across Asia.

Although sheÆs made no secret of her, seemingly, supernatural powers, there is no evidence that those people who follow her, are doing so under any form of outside influence. Her sensitivity, honesty, sense of justice, honor, fair play, and hard work make the public love her.

Of course, not everyone likes her rise to power. Other organizations and nations have begun to grumble about her true motives. Many in the west do not like her expanding sphere of influence, no matter how benign her Empire seems. There have been peaceful protest and demonstrations, but theyÆve done little to slow the spread o her influence as city after city begins to fall under her charismatic sway.

The few times violence has been tried, it has been met with swift brutal revenge. The culprits are brought to justice, and the injured are healed by the power of Serenity and her Senshi.

By the time eight years have gone by since she appeared, Japan, Asia and Australia are officially under the rule of her benevolent Empire. SheÆs begun spreading her influence to Europe, as well as South America. Pockets of Serenity supporters are already showing up all across North America. Most people think itÆs only a matter of time before the entire world has voted Serenity into power as the ruler of the world.

Are you one of them?

HereÆs my question. As she hasnÆt done anything wrong, do you support SerenityÆs rule? Do you oppose her rise to power? Do you do nothing?

If you do decide to do something, what do you do? How far are you willing to go to accomplish your goals?
 

Shaderic

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#2
... Okay.
Something is wrong here. Mankind fights. It's what it does. Suddenly becoming all peaceful? Everyone? Paranoia dictates that she's either a kind dictator that discoevered a form of mindcontrol, or there's something in the water.
Given the supernatural stuff, I'd put more money on the former.
 

Ordo

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#3
*grins* There is no credible evidance to support your theory, and believe me people have looked. Perhaps mankind is just tired of fighting, Perhaps Serenity has finally discovered the secret to mankind working together in peace and harmony.

Is it not possible that, with her guidance, we've finally abandoned our self-destructive ways?
 

Shaderic

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#4
...!

They got Ordo!

Some one figure out how it's spreading!!
 

GenocideHeart

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#5
I'd oppose her, for one simple reason. My nation is ITALY. I'm ITALIAN by birth. My forefathers shed their blood and tears to help make this nation independent and under its own rule. Too much pain, sweat, blood and tears went into making Italy united and independent for some foreigner bimbo to show up and just take over. Nobody wants that. Never mind the government, the PEOPLE don't want that.

Italy may be a flawed country with corrupt politicians, but it's OUR flawed country and OUR flawed politicians. Outsiders are NOT welcome to interfere, and are encouraged to get the hell out as soon as possible. If they don't comply, the people will see to it that they do.
 

FH_Meta

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#6
I have to chime in a bit with GH here.

Too much blood has been spilled to get to today for anyone, foreign or domestic to just come in and take over.

I don't care if they come in with the support of Sam Houston, Don Pedrito Jaramillo, El Cid, and Montezuma, I'm going to be one skeptical SoB.
 
#7
Moon girl taking over in realistic scenario would not be a pleasant result many nations would not accept loss of national identity as already stated too much blood has been spilled to make those nations there not simply gonna buckle over to some foreign girl.

Only way i see serenity utopia working in a relaistic scenario is her to be willing to destroy countless people like what happened in star craft back story where human unity was built with force and countless deaths
 
#8
NDF wonders to himself about how much kinetic force he will have to levy on the craniums of iron-skulled lackwits who keep perpetuating this unthinking diatribe, in order to get them to stop.
 

GenocideHeart

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#9
nuclear death frog said:
NDF wonders to himself about how much kinetic force he will have to levy on the craniums of iron-skulled lackwits who keep perpetuating this unthinking diatribe, in order to get them to stop.
...I hate that kind of elaborate speech pattern. Kindly stop right fucking now, before my twitching degenerates in full on murderous rage. :headbanger: :sick2:

tl; dr: speak like you eat.
 
#10
Does the creation of the Empire happen in a long drawn-out political process like the creation of the European Union? Or is it more like one day out of the blue the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party declare they are now part of the Moon Kingdom/Crystal Tokyo? (I wouldn't care if North Korea did exactly this.)
 

Shaderic

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#11
That reminds me of something re-assuring about this idea.

It can't happen. Period.

Human beings are too contrary to unite in such a way, and the bureacrats would make it impossible.
 

Ordo

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#12
Tornado Ninja Fan said:
Does the creation of the Empire happen in a long drawn-out political process like the creation of the European Union? Or is it more like one day out of the blue the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party declare they are now part of the Moon Kingdom/Crystal Tokyo? (I wouldn't care if North Korea did exactly this.)
Closer to the former. The people of each village, town and city slowly decided that they want what SerenityÆs offering. Which is peace, security, prosperity, justice, all those good things weÆve failed to consistently provide ourselves or our children. Obviously the leaders of each government have to hash things out amongst themselves and with Serenity, but the truth is, somehow, they always end up joining this new gloriously benevolent Empire.

For the most part, you hold outs are viewed with amused condescension.

Serenity Supporter: ôOh they just think that the unification of humanity is a bad thing. TheyÆre obviously paranoid. Once theyÆve spent a few years under the QueenÆs rule theyÆll change their tune, I guarantee it!ö

There are no intimidating people harassing you at home or at work. There are no attempts to make you eat or drink anything suspicious. In fact the Queen defends you in her speeches, stating that itÆs only natural that all humans wouldnÆt agree to follow a single course. She speaks on how these different views and opinions ultimately lead to a stronger whole, and pledges that her Empire will not go where itÆs not welcome.

Of course people eat this up, and work even harder to make The QueenÆs world wide, elected, Empire a reality.

So IÆve heard a lot of complaints, but very little in the way of plans of action. If you just shake your fist at the new order, it will come to pass whether you like it or not. What will you all do? How far are you willing to go to stop this?
 

GenocideHeart

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#13
As a rule, it won't work in Latin countries. People of Latin descent hate standardization like that - they want their own identity, and in the past, they even threw away actual good things to keep their identity.

That's why I'm saying it ain't happening for some people. There are some demographics that just plain don't CARE what Serenity offers them. They want their individuality and national identity, and they will reject anything that threatens it. EVEN IF IT'S AN UTOPIA.

There's no need for a plan because there won't be any hold for Serenity where I live, period. Italy has a long history of booting supposedly 'benevolent' foreign rulers out because they wanted independence. To us, our national identity is far more important than what some new ruler from abroad promises. We want to be able to call the shots for ourselves, and if things go sour, well, we'll take the blame and start over. But we want to be able to make OUR OWN mistakes, even if it'd be easier to let someone else make them for us.

At any rate, if push comes to shove, do it the Mafia way. Strike not your enemies directly, but what your enemies treasure the most. Serenity, for all that she may be powerful, showed multiple times she can't protect everyone. And being able to bring people back to life does nothing to ease the trauma of violent death. Do it enough times, and she either gets the hint, or those she cares about end up mentally and spiritually broken from the trauma. Either way, she loses in the end.

No, I don't like supposed 'utopian rulers'. Simply put, no one was ever meant to rule over an entire planet. Fate itself violently opposed all those who tried - when fellow humans didn't stop them, Nature took charge and made sure of that. Alexander the Great, anyone?

Even IF Serenity managed to have her way, Fate will make her fall. Remember, there's a REASON why the Moon Kingdom fell. It can't be coincidence. If the original Queen Serenity was such an illuminate ruler, why did her empire crash and burn horribly?

I rest my case. Even if I don't stop her, Fate will. And against Fate, not even she can triumph.
 

Wakka

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#14
I'm one of those who would be calling bullshit. There's too much bad blood to realistically unite humanity within the next thousand years without either an external threat, apocalypse, or outright mind control. Think about how long people have been feuding over the "Holy Land", and still are. Think about how much Japan and China despise each other over events 60 years past.

There's no way what you're describing would happen in any realistic universe. If you think it could, you need to put the bong down and read some history.



Wait. I take that comment about uniting back. Every other nation would unite against the encroaching "Moon Kingdom". It'd be the easiest enemy to justify since Nazi Germany. Evidence of abuses? It can be manufactured like the stuff used to go to war with Iraq. After all, they *have* supernatural powers, people'd believe anything said. Nothing like an enemy to boost popularity ratings, and unite nations. That's nothing on the religious leaders, though. You'd be hearing "Burn the witches" from every fanatical religious fundamentalist on the planet.

Another thing, think about the common view of the Anti-Christ for a moment. This Serenity fits that to a T. Uniting the world? Check. Everyone ignoring history and merrily allowing it? Check. Use of magic? Big check. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if the new Moon Kingdom faced an outright neo-Crusade from every Christian country on the planet. Complete with massed use of WMDs: nuclear, biological, chemical. After all, they're fighting the Anti-Christ and its chosen demons. Anything is justifiable.

You seem to think of humanity as altruistic. I assure you, we're selfish bastards. The very existence of separate nations between peoples is proof. Why else would Palestine exist, when they could easily subsume into any number of other Muslim countries?


EDIT: Depending on the time period of people "deciding" to join this new kingdom (Not buying it), how would she even get started? How would she not simply get laughed off or derided as a lunatic? After she proclaims herself, and "shows" the existance of magic, why wouldn't she be tossed in a loony bin for "her own protection and the protection of those around her"? If she resists, or if her Senshi resist, they outright declare war on the government that sent those agents. They cannot win.
 
#15
If I understand this correctly, one Chinese city after another would join the empire and the Communist Party would simply let this happen? If I meet people who don't see the problem with that I would ask them if they remember the massacre of the Tiananmen Square and how a dictatorship that kills peaceful protesters would allow a secession.

If they still don't see the problem, I will consider them braindead and look for other "paranoids" like me. Our group's first priority would be finding scientists with theories on how Serenity's "magic" works and try to help them fund their research to find counter-measures. If there are no counter-measures available, we would - as anonymously as possible - start to fund people to eliminate the problem at its core, namely Serenity.

If that wouldn't work, the group would work to create and distribute notes designed to help humanity after the end of Serenity's reign in the hopefully not so far future.
 

Wakka

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#16
Tornado Ninja Fan said:
If I understand this correctly, one Chinese city after another would join the empire and the Communist Party would simply let this happen? If I meet people who don't see the problem with that I would ask them if they remember the massacre of the Tiananmen Square and how a dictatorship that kills peaceful protesters would allow a secession.
If I'm reading this right, after a city secedes from its nation, Serenity & co. defend it from the former owners. How this is different from outright conquest eludes me as of yet. Hence the "Uniting everyone against her" part of my post.
 

GenocideHeart

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#17
Wakka said:
If I'm reading this right, after a city secedes from its nation, Serenity & co. defend it from the former owners. How this is different from outright conquest eludes me as of yet. Hence the "Uniting everyone against her" part of my post.
That's not how secession works. However much citizens may like to think otherwise, the majority of a city belongs to the state. If a city 'secedes' like that, either compensation is made, or it's outright stealing, end of story.

Which would put Serenity in a VERY bad light if she condones what amounts to stealing... no matter how righteous the cause may be, stealing is stealing.
 
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GenocideHeart said:
Even IF Serenity managed to have her way, Fate will make her fall. Remember, there's a REASON why the Moon Kingdom fell. It can't be coincidence. If the original Queen Serenity was such an illuminate ruler, why did her empire crash and burn horribly?
Nehellenia cursed Serenity to never recieve the throne at the ceremony of her birth because she wasn't invited. It would have been fine if she didn't. It wasn't fate it was just a woman on PMS. :mellow:

Also while on this topic I find that people tend to ignore Mamoru IS Earth and everyone on the planet is squatters on his property. The rest of the Galaxy respects their senshi. What the hell is stopping him from saying STFU or get off my planet? I know this is cruel and Usagi would never allow it but still...nothing stops him.
 

GenocideHeart

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SeiyaxUsagi said:
Nehellenia cursed Usagi to never recieve the throne at the ceremony of her birth because she wasn't invited. It would have been fine if she didn't.? :mellow:
"It would have been fine if she didn't".

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's what most people who get kicked in the face by Fate say.

See, the thing about Fate is that it has its way of getting things done, and it often involves using people like tools. Hence why I am of the poinion it'd have fallen ANYWAY.

Moreover, the former Moon Kingdom falling over something that inconsequential sets a bad precedent for Usagi's own rule. It just goes to show how EASY it is for Fate to shatter whatever pretense of order and peace humans build. If it wants to END a planetary rule, it will, and there's nothing usagi can do besides pick up the remains - assuming she survives at all.

And as I mentioned, Fate seems to fucking hate would-be large scale rulers. It always brings them down in a rather nasty fashion.

EDIT:

Also while on this topic I find that people tend to ignore Mamoru IS Earth everyone on the planet is squatters on his property. What the hell is stopping him from saying STFU or get off my planet? I know this is cruel and Usagi would never allow it but still...nothing stops him.
EARTH WAS THERE BEFORE MAMORU WAS EVEN BORN. Mamoru strictly is running on borrowed power. Ultimately, MOTHER NATURE is the one calling the shots. And Mother Nature made humans to be competitive and aggressive, like every other species on Earth.

Making humans anything but what Mother Nature intended them to be is pretty much going against it, and last I checked, that never ends well, in both real life and fantasy.
 
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#21
It took a incarnation of the root of all evil, Chaos to take it down the first time. Usagi is a incarnation of the root of all Good, Cosmos and openly stated to be the one who could create a new destiny for the Galaxy. The only thing by the end of the series that could effect her is hiding in the Galaxy Cauldron.

When a planet is born it's crystal forms a senshi to protect it and rule it, life forms around the crystal. Sailor Crystals get passed down in the family. While Mamoru may not have been the first Sailor Earth, he is it's current guardian and current owner everyone else came to exist because his family existed. The whole final two arcs were all about that. As long as he lives Earth is just fine.

What's stopping him from killing himself, staying in his star form until people die out and trying again later?

Edit:
Also I always assumed that the World Goverment (Not Utopia!) was created because she brought onto the table a buttload of advanced technology, alliances with planets all over the galaxy fought off the root of all evil and is willing to extend human lifespans 1000 years. That's a major plus for anyone running.
 

GenocideHeart

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#22
SeiyaxUsagi said:
When a planet is born it's crystal forms a senshi to protect it and rule it, life forms around the crystal. Sailor Crystals get passed down in the family. While Mamoru may not have been the first Sailor Earth, he is it's current guardian and current owner. The whole final two arcs were all about that. As long as he lives Earth is just fine.
You know, you seem to be missing an important point. Mamoru doesn't own a damn thing - he's the Earth's guard dog, like every other Senshi is to their planet. The whole point of a planet creating a Senshi is as protection - that doesn't make them the rulers of the planet or any such idiocy, not any more than you buying a guard dog for your house makes it the house's owner. It's just there to scare burglars off, and once a guard dog dies, another is brought in.

tl; dr: Mamoru is expendable and not especially special. Earth will be fine even without him, it'll just make another Sailor Earth.

As for Moon...

openly stated to be the one who could create a new destiny for the Galaxy
O HAI LUK STEREOTYPICAL FATED GIRL.

Read: Moon is Fate's bitch as much as anyone else. In the end, the only thing that makes her special is being marked by Fate, and just as Fate gave that mark, it can take it away. Even the damn Moon cats, as well as the entire series, beat you over the head with the whole 'Sailor Moon is FATED to be this or that'. If that isn't her being just another instrument Fate is using to do whatever the hell it has planned, I don't know what it is...

I rest my case.
 
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#23
How could earth create another Sailor Earth when the one thing needed would die with Mamoru's family? The earth Sailor Crystal woud be lost in the sea of origin and doom the planet, Earth and Mamoru share the same soul after all.

Mamoru would only be expendable when he has a kid to pass the crystal to.
 

PCHeintz72

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#24
Ordo said:
Tornado Ninja Fan said:
Does the creation of the Empire happen in a long drawn-out political process like the creation of the European Union? Or is it more like one day out of the blue the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party declare they are now part of the Moon Kingdom/Crystal Tokyo? (I wouldn't care if North Korea did exactly this.)
Closer to the former. The people of each village, town and city slowly decided that they want what SerenityÆs offering. Which is peace, security, prosperity, justice, all those good things weÆve failed to consistently provide ourselves or our children. Obviously the leaders of each government have to hash things out amongst themselves and with Serenity, but the truth is, somehow, they always end up joining this new gloriously benevolent Empire.

For the most part, you hold outs are viewed with amused condescension.

Serenity Supporter: ôOh they just think that the unification of humanity is a bad thing. TheyÆre obviously paranoid. Once theyÆve spent a few years under the QueenÆs rule theyÆll change their tune, I guarantee it!ö

There are no intimidating people harassing you at home or at work. There are no attempts to make you eat or drink anything suspicious. In fact the Queen defends you in her speeches, stating that itÆs only natural that all humans wouldnÆt agree to follow a single course. She speaks on how these different views and opinions ultimately lead to a stronger whole, and pledges that her Empire will not go where itÆs not welcome.

Of course people eat this up, and work even harder to make The QueenÆs world wide, elected, Empire a reality.

So IÆve heard a lot of complaints, but very little in the way of plans of action. If you just shake your fist at the new order, it will come to pass whether you like it or not. What will you all do? How far are you willing to go to stop this?
I'm going to for the most part stay out of this... as I am a pessimistic cynic by heart, and am also fully aware those in the SM section do not overly value my opinions or stances.

But I will say in what is likely to be my only post in this thread that you are not being fair to the other members who have posted.

You have not stated specifics as to *how* a unknown, even well liked, individual could concievably get put in charge of Japan in a mere 8 year period, forget the rest of the 7 other countries.

As was already stated... national pride is real, even if unquantifiable. The will to fight and defend the established rule is real. there are racial hatreds boiling under the surface of nearly every individual on the face of the planet. They are not more of an issue due to lack of interaction and the knowledge they are separate.

She would not only have to come in on the established Gov't doing something truly stupid, but for her to prove what she could provide is better than what is offered. Even then I doubt she could do it in 8 years. A person can move fast, a populous can and does not without great strife. Nor do governments. How would she bypass election rules in countries without strife, violence, magic, or drugs?

So far, while you have given an outline, no details, specifics, or reasons for following her have been given.

History has proven... that war is more than common, it is an everyday thing. Last study I saw on it stated in the last 2000 years, scattered among all those years only some 13 years of peace can be found with no war occuring somewhere. Most of that is a mere matter of days here and there adding up to that peace.

I could not possibly believe or follow such a thing occuring without a whole heck of a lot of convincing and reasoning.

None of which will be had here.
 

Ordo

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#25
Now SxU, this topic is not meant to be an examination of Usagi or any of the other characters from Sailor Moon. We are not here to discuss their merits and faults. The purpose of this thread was to see how the forumites would react to one possible scenario for Usagi like person coming to rule the world. To be fair I couldÆve dumped this in my æHow would you handle it' thread but I really wanted to keep that discussion separate from this.

I must admit, weÆve gotten some fascinating answers. GenocideÆs thoughts on fate, Wakka & TornadoÆs theories on the complications of such an endeavor along with others has proven fascinating.

I will admit to being happy that at least David Alan was open minded enough to accept Senshi rule. However, now I think it time to sweeten the pot as it were.

David and SxU, as you have proven willing to accept Serenity's rule, you are offered positions in the new order for where ever you live. The Queendom asks that you help oversee the transition of your town/city/region/nation to the New benevolent Empire. Please draw up a plan (including the best way to deal with any malcontents) to aid in the smooth transfer to Serenities rule. Obviously youÆll be working with other like minded individuals.

To everyone else, a representative of the Queendom will be showing at your door and offering you positions as advisors to the Queen and/or the Senate. Obviously there is no pressure to accept this role, but the Queen feels that having the dissenting opinion of non-supporters will help her new government run things more smoothly.

Please, take your time in considering the Queens offer and know that if you decline, it will not be held against you.

Edit: Take your time David, I'm not in any rush. It has taken thousands of years for humanity to come so close to true unification, I can wait a little longer.

Oh and Mr. Heintz, the reason I've had it happening so fast (as opposed to the couple of hundred or so years I'd originally planned for) was that I wanted you all to be alive as her world wide rule draws near.
 
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