The White Devil of the Moon Chapter 5

[Ryuugi]

The thing is, guys, none of them should give a damn about the training. Remember, these guys have more experience then Nanoha. By, like, a lot. They've been fighting a literal war for the last year and a half, while Nanoha dealt with two incidents and a mission or two here and there.

At absolute best, Nanoha has an advantage in the theory portion. But as soon as we enter practice, the Senshi win in a landslide.

And speaking of the incidents, do remember that Metallica was way worse then both of them put together and then some. She drove the whole planet insane and had it kill itself. So the Senshi should be, at best, mehish.

No, they've been fighting a guerilla action within their home territory.

Different ballgame.

Two, their opponents are tactically incompetent.

Three, Nanoha does more than just the events in the show.

Four, I'm pretty sure they don't know about Metallia yet.

Hahahahahaha.

I don't think you get it, dude.

For this story to work, we have to accpet several assumptions, namely, that the Senshi are still alive after a year and a half without Usagi.

Now, yeah, okay. But I don't think any of you understand what the hell that really means. Zoicite, just Zoicite, can make everyone around them Youma. All of them. Just make an army, just like that. Or Nephrite. No Usagi = No Moon Stick = Random attacks by entire armies. They may not have the best tactics ever, but so fuck what? They can randomly shove armies up peoples asses, they don't really need any, either.

Kunzite? Is a fucking monster. It took all the Senshi focusing they're power on Usagi to take him down. And since Nephrite has no Naru to calm him down, he's still stealing energy.

I.e. Metaria has a constant flow of energy. In the Anime, she only had the energy of a dying Beryl and was still a monster. Here, she's way, way worse.

In addition, if the Rainbow Crystals have been found, Zoicite should easily find them with the Black Crystal and summon those Super Youma.

Oh, and also, all four Generals are still alive and kicking.

But you know what? The Senshi have survived this. Random demon armies, monsters shaped like men, near-unstopable enemies, Super Youma, constant energy stealing, monsters they can't even tell aren't human until the last second, all of it.

So in order to accept the basic premise of this story, you must also accept the above. Which meansthat , yes, the Senshi must be complete and utter badasses by this point, or else dead.

So if anyone needs training? It's Nanoha. She has gone through exactly two incidents (neither of which had anything on Metaria), and a few low level missions here and there. And almost everyone she has ever fought has put limiters on their attacks to keep them non-lethal. The Senshi, on the other hand? A year and a half in the pits of hell, surrounded by people who don't pull any punches and who all want to kill them.

So you're right. Somebody here needs training from hell.

 

[bissek]

You did note that Nanoha is 16 in this story? She has 6 years experience - in which she was either training herself, training others, or on a mission for 12-14 hours a day, every day, for most of that time. The most experienced of the Senshi has only been active for 18 months.

Archived footage of some of Nanoha's earlier battles? It's doable.

The Senshi know of Metallia. It might not have been brought up as a detail in how the Dark Kingdom is seeking to rise to power in Fate's initial briefing, though.

What sort of fragments of history on the Moon Kingdom, the Ginzuisho, and Senshi in general should Yuuno be able to track down?

I'm not having the Super Youma and Rainbow Crystals appear.

Also, the term I used to describe the fight against the Dark Kingdom is 'seige', not 'open war'. While they probably could call up a massive swarm of youma and pull the Senshi down by sheer weight of numbers, they haven't. Instead they've been sending forces out trying to gain energy, which the Senshi have been stopping, but they can never tell if the next battle is going to be next week or within the next ten minutes. The Dark Kingdom have sent wave after wave of youma at the Senshi in the hopes of wearing them down on occasion, only to luck out and have the wave that could have finished them not turn up until after they had a chance to rest.

The Senshi have been holding their own, but are slowly losing - and they know it. The mindset where there is no option other than lethal force will probably come to a surprise to the TSAB, but they are providing two things that the Senshi desperately need: The training to be more effective fighters, and enough spare manpower that they can afford to take the time to rest and train.

 

[Ryuugi]

You did note that Nanoha is 16 in this story? She has 6 years experience. The most experienced of the Senshi has only been active for 18 months.

Archived footage of some of Nanoha's earlier battles? It's doable.

The Senshi know of Metallia. It might not have been brought up as a detail in how the Dark Kingdom is seeking to rise to power in Fate's initial briefing, though.

What sort of fragments of history on the Moon Kingdom, the Ginzuisho, and Senshi in general should Yuuno be able to track down?

Yes, six years. Most of which she spent teaching. And recently, in the hospital. Look, Nanoha went through two incidents, sure, but otherwise just did smaller missions from time to time. Most of her time was spent teaching. And even her limited experience is useless here. She fights against people who almost always pull their punches, she fights with huge amounts of help, she fights with advanced knowledge, she fights with cutting edge tech, the best medical attention in Mid, etc.

The Senshi, on the other hand, have been in what is basically hell for a year and a half, surrounded by guys trying to kill them. None of them hold back, because they specifically want them dead, just like they want everyone around them dead. Their sum-total help amounts to two cats and a guy in a tux, they have no idea what their opponents are trying to do or where they'll attack because they just want energy and they can get it anywhere. They have nothing but their basic tech. The have no medical attention they can't get with a first-aid kit. They're forced to fight random demon armies the generals can make on the fly, monsters shaped like men, nigh-unstopable enemies, Super Youma, constant energy stealing, monsters they can't even tell aren't human until the last second, who could be anyone, including their families, and more. And they've been at this constantly for a year and a half, and you've stated it's getting worse.

Nanoha has shit compared to that.

 

[Nanya]

Oh, and also, all four Generals are still alive and kicking.

Um, Ryuugi...

Nanoha KILLED Jadeite with a Divine Buster while she was INJURED!

last Chapter.

Single shot kill.

What has Nanoha taken on?

Um, age 9, SSS threat Reinforce/Book of Darkness, one-on-one.

Since then?

Various relics and Lost Logia from Ancient Belka (seriously, it's in the manga).

The Senshi couldn't beat Jadeite alone, Venus would have died to him in that chapter had Nanoha not stepped in and blown Jadeite away.

Nanoha's spent most of that time teaching and training people.

So, you're telling me that Nanoha, someone who's a complete work-a-holic, trains her ass off when she's nine years old, doesn't get better and needs more training, huh?

Um, sure, we'll go with that.

Edit: Just to put things in perspective...

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

Reinforce, just by existing, was so dangerous that the TSAB was going to fire a DIMENSIONAL DISTORTING weapon to deal with her onto a planet that would destroy everything within 100 KM simply because the loss of 100 KM and millions of people is MINIMAL to the amount of destruction and death that Reinforce would have wrought to the ENTIRE dimension if she existed for too long.

Causes planet to go crazy vs threat to whole dimension.

You choose which is worse.

 

[Megaolix]

Oh, and also, all four Generals are still alive and kicking.

Um, Ryuugi...

Nanoha KILLED Jadeite with a Divine Buster while she was INJURED!

last Chapter.

He meant before the story happens. But I agree witth the rest. Nanoha did not spent her time just teaching.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

She did something similar to earth in the past That`s why Endymion had to sneak out to the moon to warn the moon of how crazy earth became in the anime. She was also heavily neutered in the anime, since she only fought Usagi using a Dying Beryl`s power and still nearly killed her. She also with a consistently interrupted energy source nearly over took the sun within a few months. This Metallia should be brimming with health and eaten earth within a year and a half.

Please remember the Moon had everyone who was living there in the fight as well to chase back Earth. Not just the senshi.

Edit: Also Remember The Queen isn`t a fighter. The Ginzuishou is a one-use thing.

 

[Nanya]

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

She did something similar to earth in the past That`s why Endymion had to sneak out to the moon to warn the moon of how crazy earth became. She was also heavily neutered in the anime, since she only fought Usagi using a Dying Beryl`s power and still nearly killed her. She also with a consistently interrupted energy source nearly over took the sun within a few months. This Metallia should be brimming with health and eaten earth within a year and a half.

Please remember the Moon had everyone who was living there in the fight as well to chase back Earth. Not just the senshi.

Okay, that's fine.

Reinforce?

Um, whole dimension shortly after waking up.

Even when sealed, incomplete and away from its master, the Book of Darkness took over a ship with the Arc En Ciel (you know, Dimension Distorting weapon) on it and was about to fire it before it was stopped last time.

The protection program wasn't even fully awake when Nanoha fought against Reinforce in A's (who, BTW, was NOT pulling her punches against Nanoha.) when BLACK FIRE PILLARS ROSE OUT OF THE GROUND AND OCEAN. And that was only 3 minutes after the fight started.

the only reason Nanoha even won is because Hayate woke up and froze Reinforce from doing anything and then got help from all those allies.

If Hayate hadn't woken up, it would have been Nanoha, Chrono and Yuuno against the Protection Program and they either would have HAD to fire the Arc En Ciel, freeze the thing (which, we saw, didn't work) or let it destroy the dimension (which it would have done easily).

Edit: The Ginzusho, one time use? I count at least 2 movies, 2 to 3 seasons where the thing was used. *Shakes head* Don't say something's a 1 time only thing when it keeps getting used over and over again.

 

[Ryuugi]

Oh, and also, all four Generals are still alive and kicking.

Um, Ryuugi...

Nanoha KILLED Jadeite with a Divine Buster while she was INJURED!

last Chapter.

Single shot kill.

What has Nanoha taken on?

Um, age 9, SSS threat Reinforce/Book of Darkness, one-on-one.

Since then?

Various relics and Lost Logia from Ancient Belka (seriously, it's in the manga).

The Senshi couldn't beat Jadeite alone, Venus would have died to him in that chapter had Nanoha not stepped in and blown Jadeite away.

Nanoha's spent most of that time teaching and training people.

So, you're telling me that Nanoha, someone who's a complete work-a-holic, trains her ass off when she's nine years old, doesn't get better and needs more training, huh?

Um, sure, we'll go with that.

Edit: Just to put things in perspective...

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

Reinforce, just by existing, was so dangerous that the TSAB was going to fire a DIMENSIONAL DISTORTING weapon to deal with her onto a planet that would destroy everything within 100 KM simply because the loss of 100 KM and millions of people is MINIMAL to the amount of destruction and death that Reinforce would have wrought to the ENTIRE dimension if she existed for too long.

Causes planet to go crazy vs threat to whole dimension.

You choose which is worse.

She has more power, granted, but that's not what we're talking about (and is because bissek is using the anime and not the manga, which reminds me a vs. hate thread, but...). We're talking about experience.

And yes, I was talking about before.

Also, bullshit. Reinforce was, at best, a planetary threat, and probably not even that. We saw her one screen, dude.

Those missions were mostly low-level; at worse she had to deal with some robots with AMFs.

The Senshi can't beat them alone because bisseks using the anime (i.e. specifically making the Senshi weaker) and using the first season (i.e. them at their absolute weakest.

And as I said, Nanoha's experience is completely different from the Senshi's in nature.

Your Edit:

Hahahaha.

Wow, you don't know anything about Metallia, huh? She's the ultimate energy vampire, and was a threat to way more then Earth.

TSAB was willing to do that?

Well Queen Serenity was willing to destroy life on the moon and knock the entire Earth so far back that they had to restart their entire evolution just to lock Matallia away.

And not, she drove all those people insane with just her presence.

 

[Nanya]

Apparently, Ryuugi, you don't think something that's classified as "OH MY GOD, VERY, VERY LETHAL TO ALL LIVING THINGS IN THIS DIMENSION" as very dangerous. =/

Manga Senshi, from what I've seen, were on par with Fate/Stay Night.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

The whole drama of the first season was it would kill Usagi when used but her death wish to be a normal girl saved her and erased her memories. Death Wish got nullified in later seasons because her wish became, `PROTECT EARTH` 24/7

Second use, Two Ginzuishou canceled out its killing effect because of Chibiusa and Usagi`s wish to save each other and protect earth.

Third Use: Killed her, Fiore gave up his life in exchange to bring her back.

She abandoned it for safer items after these uses like The Holy Grail and Golden Crystal.

Metallia fully awoken damaged earth so much evolution had to restart because of her very presence in the manga. The Moon turned to stone and Saturn had to be summoned to clean up its mess. Just so everyone had a chance to be reborn.

 

[Ryuugi]

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

She did something similar to earth in the past That`s why Endymion had to sneak out to the moon to warn the moon of how crazy earth became. She was also heavily neutered in the anime, since she only fought Usagi using a Dying Beryl`s power and still nearly killed her. She also with a consistently interrupted energy source nearly over took the sun within a few months. This Metallia should be brimming with health and eaten earth within a year and a half.

Please remember the Moon had everyone who was living there in the fight as well to chase back Earth. Not just the senshi.

Okay, that's fine.

Reinforce?

Um, whole dimension shortly after waking up.

Even when sealed, incomplete and away from its master, the Book of Darkness took over a ship with the Arc En Ciel (you know, Dimension Distorting weapon) on it and was about to fire it before it was stopped last time.

The protection program wasn't even fully awake when Nanoha fought against Reinforce in A's (who, BTW, was NOT pulling her punches against Nanoha.) when BLACK FIRE PILLARS ROSE OUT OF THE GROUND AND OCEAN. And that was only 3 minutes after the fight started.

the only reason Nanoha even won is because Hayate woke up and froze Reinforce from doing anything and then got help from all those allies.

If Hayate hadn't woken up, it would have been Nanoha, Chrono and Yuuno against the Protection Program and they either would have HAD to fire the Arc En Ciel, freeze the thing (which, we saw, didn't work) or let it destroy the dimension (which it would have done easily).

Edit: The Ginzusho, one time use? I count at least 2 movies, 2 to 3 seasons where the thing was used. *Shakes head* Don't say something's a 1 time only thing when it keeps getting used over and over again.

Once again, bullshit. Back that up. TSAB would rather destroy it quickly cause letting it run loose is a pain, but a dimensional threat? Bull.

We know how much power it has, 666 pages. We also know how many Nanoha was worth as an AAA mage. It's a lot more, but nowhere near enough to destory even a planet, much less a dimension.

Also, fire pillars and shit are impressive, but only happened in the nearby area.

Your dimensional threat stuff is crap. SO please stop pulling stuff out of your ass.

 

[Ryuugi]

Apparently, Ryuugi, you don't think something that's classified as "OH MY GOD, VERY, VERY LETHAL TO ALL LIVING THINGS IN THIS DIMENSION" as very dangerous.á =/

Manga Senshi, from what I've seen, were on par with Fate/Stay Night.

Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Usagi jumped at 25,000 mph mid through arc one of the manga. At the end of it, she brought everyone on a planet full of dead people back to life.

Second arc, she blew up planets.

End of the manga, she brought a galaxy full of dead people back to life, effortlessly raped time, etc.

Fate/Stay Night is pathetic compared to manga Senshi.

Note: End game Usagi brought back the galaxy after fighting all her Senshi (who were killed and brought back evil), then fighting Galaxia, the person with the highest destructive power in the Galaxy, getting her body destroyed in the GC (down to her Sailor Crystal), and keeping herself together by sheer force of will.

 

[Nanya]

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

She did something similar to earth in the past That`s why Endymion had to sneak out to the moon to warn the moon of how crazy earth became. She was also heavily neutered in the anime, since she only fought Usagi using a Dying Beryl`s power and still nearly killed her. She also with a consistently interrupted energy source nearly over took the sun within a few months. This Metallia should be brimming with health and eaten earth within a year and a half.

Please remember the Moon had everyone who was living there in the fight as well to chase back Earth. Not just the senshi.

Okay, that's fine.

Reinforce?

Um, whole dimension shortly after waking up.

Even when sealed, incomplete and away from its master, the Book of Darkness took over a ship with the Arc En Ciel (you know, Dimension Distorting weapon) on it and was about to fire it before it was stopped last time.

The protection program wasn't even fully awake when Nanoha fought against Reinforce in A's (who, BTW, was NOT pulling her punches against Nanoha.) when BLACK FIRE PILLARS ROSE OUT OF THE GROUND AND OCEAN. And that was only 3 minutes after the fight started.

the only reason Nanoha even won is because Hayate woke up and froze Reinforce from doing anything and then got help from all those allies.

If Hayate hadn't woken up, it would have been Nanoha, Chrono and Yuuno against the Protection Program and they either would have HAD to fire the Arc En Ciel, freeze the thing (which, we saw, didn't work) or let it destroy the dimension (which it would have done easily).

Edit: The Ginzusho, one time use? I count at least 2 movies, 2 to 3 seasons where the thing was used. *Shakes head* Don't say something's a 1 time only thing when it keeps getting used over and over again.

Once again, bullshit. Back that up. TSAB would rather destroy it quickly cause letting it run loose is a pain, but a dimensional threat? Bull.

We know how much power it has, 666 pages. We also know how many Nanoha was worth as an AAA mage. It's a lot more, but nowhere near enough to destory even a planet, much less a dimension.

Also, fire pillars and shit are impressive, but only happened in the nearby area.

Your dimensional threat stuff is crap. SO please stop pulling stuff out of your ass.

Dimensional threat stuff is crap?

Go back and re-watch Nanoha, Ryuugi. it's much shorter than Sailor Moon.

9 Jewel Seeds caused the dimensions to start splintering.

The Book of Darkness is WORSE than that.

So, go back and watch it.

As for Fate/Stay Night, yeah, you're right. They're not as powerful as the manga Senshi.

Touhou, there's a series for the Manga Senshi.

Where basic reality warping such as manipulating time, blowing up planets, ETC is normal for them.

 

[Ryuugi]

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

She did something similar to earth in the past That`s why Endymion had to sneak out to the moon to warn the moon of how crazy earth became. She was also heavily neutered in the anime, since she only fought Usagi using a Dying Beryl`s power and still nearly killed her. She also with a consistently interrupted energy source nearly over took the sun within a few months. This Metallia should be brimming with health and eaten earth within a year and a half.

Please remember the Moon had everyone who was living there in the fight as well to chase back Earth. Not just the senshi.

Okay, that's fine.

Reinforce?

Um, whole dimension shortly after waking up.

Even when sealed, incomplete and away from its master, the Book of Darkness took over a ship with the Arc En Ciel (you know, Dimension Distorting weapon) on it and was about to fire it before it was stopped last time.

The protection program wasn't even fully awake when Nanoha fought against Reinforce in A's (who, BTW, was NOT pulling her punches against Nanoha.) when BLACK FIRE PILLARS ROSE OUT OF THE GROUND AND OCEAN. And that was only 3 minutes after the fight started.

the only reason Nanoha even won is because Hayate woke up and froze Reinforce from doing anything and then got help from all those allies.

If Hayate hadn't woken up, it would have been Nanoha, Chrono and Yuuno against the Protection Program and they either would have HAD to fire the Arc En Ciel, freeze the thing (which, we saw, didn't work) or let it destroy the dimension (which it would have done easily).

Edit: The Ginzusho, one time use? I count at least 2 movies, 2 to 3 seasons where the thing was used. *Shakes head* Don't say something's a 1 time only thing when it keeps getting used over and over again.

Once again, bullshit. Back that up. TSAB would rather destroy it quickly cause letting it run loose is a pain, but a dimensional threat? Bull.

We know how much power it has, 666 pages. We also know how many Nanoha was worth as an AAA mage. It's a lot more, but nowhere near enough to destory even a planet, much less a dimension.

Also, fire pillars and shit are impressive, but only happened in the nearby area.

Your dimensional threat stuff is crap. SO please stop pulling stuff out of your ass.

Dimensional threat stuff is crap?

Go back and re-watch Nanoha, Ryuugi. it's much shorter than Sailor Moon.

6 Jewel Seeds caused the dimensions to start splintering.

The Book of Darkness is WORSE than that.

So, go back and watch it.

As for Fate/Stay Night, yeah, you're right. They're not as powerful as the manga Senshi.

Touhou, there's a series for the Manga Senshi.

Where basic reality warping such as manipulating time, blowing up planets, ETC is normal for them.

That's a stupidly extreme way of viewing the Jewel Seeds and the Book of Darkness, neither of which had anywhere near that level of effect.

 

[bissek]

I've posted the chapter on fanfiction.net, with one minor change that isn't on the copy here.

Ryuugi, you've given me some food for thought on the effects of continuous active duty on the Senshi. I'll have to think on that when the time comes for the TSAB to evaluate the skills of 'Nanoha's Knights'. Just remember: The closest thing the Senshi have to a tactical training unit is a game that none of the Senshi have gotten further than 15% of the way through. Nanoha blew it out of the water on her first try.

 

[Nanya]

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

She did something similar to earth in the past That`s why Endymion had to sneak out to the moon to warn the moon of how crazy earth became. She was also heavily neutered in the anime, since she only fought Usagi using a Dying Beryl`s power and still nearly killed her. She also with a consistently interrupted energy source nearly over took the sun within a few months. This Metallia should be brimming with health and eaten earth within a year and a half.

Please remember the Moon had everyone who was living there in the fight as well to chase back Earth. Not just the senshi.

Okay, that's fine.

Reinforce?

Um, whole dimension shortly after waking up.

Even when sealed, incomplete and away from its master, the Book of Darkness took over a ship with the Arc En Ciel (you know, Dimension Distorting weapon) on it and was about to fire it before it was stopped last time.

The protection program wasn't even fully awake when Nanoha fought against Reinforce in A's (who, BTW, was NOT pulling her punches against Nanoha.) when BLACK FIRE PILLARS ROSE OUT OF THE GROUND AND OCEAN. And that was only 3 minutes after the fight started.

the only reason Nanoha even won is because Hayate woke up and froze Reinforce from doing anything and then got help from all those allies.

If Hayate hadn't woken up, it would have been Nanoha, Chrono and Yuuno against the Protection Program and they either would have HAD to fire the Arc En Ciel, freeze the thing (which, we saw, didn't work) or let it destroy the dimension (which it would have done easily).

Edit: The Ginzusho, one time use? I count at least 2 movies, 2 to 3 seasons where the thing was used. *Shakes head* Don't say something's a 1 time only thing when it keeps getting used over and over again.

Once again, bullshit. Back that up. TSAB would rather destroy it quickly cause letting it run loose is a pain, but a dimensional threat? Bull.

We know how much power it has, 666 pages. We also know how many Nanoha was worth as an AAA mage. It's a lot more, but nowhere near enough to destory even a planet, much less a dimension.

Also, fire pillars and shit are impressive, but only happened in the nearby area.

Your dimensional threat stuff is crap. SO please stop pulling stuff out of your ass.

Dimensional threat stuff is crap?

Go back and re-watch Nanoha, Ryuugi. it's much shorter than Sailor Moon.

6 Jewel Seeds caused the dimensions to start splintering.

The Book of Darkness is WORSE than that.

So, go back and watch it.

As for Fate/Stay Night, yeah, you're right. They're not as powerful as the manga Senshi.

Touhou, there's a series for the Manga Senshi.

Where basic reality warping such as manipulating time, blowing up planets, ETC is normal for them.

That's a stupidly extreme way of viewing the Jewel Seeds and the Book of Darkness, neither of which had anywhere near that level of effect.

WRONG!

The Dimensions WERE breaking apart! Stated IN the show.

Precia: Al Hazard is located BETWEEN the dimensions, using the Jewel Seeds, we'll create a Dimensional Rift and fall between them to Al Hazard.

If Precia had 12, she wouldn't have had ANY problem breaking the dimensions apart.

And the Book of Darkness was STILL rated worse.

 

[Ryuugi]

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

She did something similar to earth in the past That`s why Endymion had to sneak out to the moon to warn the moon of how crazy earth became. She was also heavily neutered in the anime, since she only fought Usagi using a Dying Beryl`s power and still nearly killed her. She also with a consistently interrupted energy source nearly over took the sun within a few months. This Metallia should be brimming with health and eaten earth within a year and a half.

Please remember the Moon had everyone who was living there in the fight as well to chase back Earth. Not just the senshi.

Okay, that's fine.

Reinforce?

Um, whole dimension shortly after waking up.

Even when sealed, incomplete and away from its master, the Book of Darkness took over a ship with the Arc En Ciel (you know, Dimension Distorting weapon) on it and was about to fire it before it was stopped last time.

The protection program wasn't even fully awake when Nanoha fought against Reinforce in A's (who, BTW, was NOT pulling her punches against Nanoha.) when BLACK FIRE PILLARS ROSE OUT OF THE GROUND AND OCEAN. And that was only 3 minutes after the fight started.

the only reason Nanoha even won is because Hayate woke up and froze Reinforce from doing anything and then got help from all those allies.

If Hayate hadn't woken up, it would have been Nanoha, Chrono and Yuuno against the Protection Program and they either would have HAD to fire the Arc En Ciel, freeze the thing (which, we saw, didn't work) or let it destroy the dimension (which it would have done easily).

Edit: The Ginzusho, one time use? I count at least 2 movies, 2 to 3 seasons where the thing was used. *Shakes head* Don't say something's a 1 time only thing when it keeps getting used over and over again.

Once again, bullshit. Back that up. TSAB would rather destroy it quickly cause letting it run loose is a pain, but a dimensional threat? Bull.

We know how much power it has, 666 pages. We also know how many Nanoha was worth as an AAA mage. It's a lot more, but nowhere near enough to destory even a planet, much less a dimension.

Also, fire pillars and shit are impressive, but only happened in the nearby area.

Your dimensional threat stuff is crap. SO please stop pulling stuff out of your ass.

Dimensional threat stuff is crap?

Go back and re-watch Nanoha, Ryuugi. it's much shorter than Sailor Moon.

6 Jewel Seeds caused the dimensions to start splintering.

The Book of Darkness is WORSE than that.

So, go back and watch it.

As for Fate/Stay Night, yeah, you're right. They're not as powerful as the manga Senshi.

Touhou, there's a series for the Manga Senshi.

Where basic reality warping such as manipulating time, blowing up planets, ETC is normal for them.

That's a stupidly extreme way of viewing the Jewel Seeds and the Book of Darkness, neither of which had anywhere near that level of effect.

WRONG!

The Dimensions WERE breaking apart! Stated IN the show.

Precia: Al Hazard is located BETWEEN the dimensions, using the Jewel Seeds, we'll create a Dimensional Rift and fall between them to Al Hazard.

If Precia had 12, she wouldn't have had ANY problem breaking the dimensions apart.

And the Book of Darkness was STILL rated worse.

Yeah, they were breaking apart...

In that tiny area!

And the Book of Darkness was causing havok...in that small area. At Reinforces best, she was using city-wide attacks.

You are seriously over-hyping Nanoha, dude.

 

[Nanya]

Metallia, drives planet insane to kill itself (probably in the manga cuz that NEVER happened in the anime) and needs a HUGE freaking army to deal with the Senshi in the past (when they had Saturn, the Queen, Pluto, Uranus and Neptune there).

She did something similar to earth in the past That`s why Endymion had to sneak out to the moon to warn the moon of how crazy earth became. She was also heavily neutered in the anime, since she only fought Usagi using a Dying Beryl`s power and still nearly killed her. She also with a consistently interrupted energy source nearly over took the sun within a few months. This Metallia should be brimming with health and eaten earth within a year and a half.

Please remember the Moon had everyone who was living there in the fight as well to chase back Earth. Not just the senshi.

Okay, that's fine.

Reinforce?

Um, whole dimension shortly after waking up.

Even when sealed, incomplete and away from its master, the Book of Darkness took over a ship with the Arc En Ciel (you know, Dimension Distorting weapon) on it and was about to fire it before it was stopped last time.

The protection program wasn't even fully awake when Nanoha fought against Reinforce in A's (who, BTW, was NOT pulling her punches against Nanoha.) when BLACK FIRE PILLARS ROSE OUT OF THE GROUND AND OCEAN. And that was only 3 minutes after the fight started.

the only reason Nanoha even won is because Hayate woke up and froze Reinforce from doing anything and then got help from all those allies.

If Hayate hadn't woken up, it would have been Nanoha, Chrono and Yuuno against the Protection Program and they either would have HAD to fire the Arc En Ciel, freeze the thing (which, we saw, didn't work) or let it destroy the dimension (which it would have done easily).

Edit: The Ginzusho, one time use? I count at least 2 movies, 2 to 3 seasons where the thing was used. *Shakes head* Don't say something's a 1 time only thing when it keeps getting used over and over again.

Once again, bullshit. Back that up. TSAB would rather destroy it quickly cause letting it run loose is a pain, but a dimensional threat? Bull.

We know how much power it has, 666 pages. We also know how many Nanoha was worth as an AAA mage. It's a lot more, but nowhere near enough to destory even a planet, much less a dimension.

Also, fire pillars and shit are impressive, but only happened in the nearby area.

Your dimensional threat stuff is crap. SO please stop pulling stuff out of your ass.

Dimensional threat stuff is crap?

Go back and re-watch Nanoha, Ryuugi. it's much shorter than Sailor Moon.

6 Jewel Seeds caused the dimensions to start splintering.

The Book of Darkness is WORSE than that.

So, go back and watch it.

As for Fate/Stay Night, yeah, you're right. They're not as powerful as the manga Senshi.

Touhou, there's a series for the Manga Senshi.

Where basic reality warping such as manipulating time, blowing up planets, ETC is normal for them.

That's a stupidly extreme way of viewing the Jewel Seeds and the Book of Darkness, neither of which had anywhere near that level of effect.

WRONG!

The Dimensions WERE breaking apart! Stated IN the show.

Precia: Al Hazard is located BETWEEN the dimensions, using the Jewel Seeds, we'll create a Dimensional Rift and fall between them to Al Hazard.

If Precia had 12, she wouldn't have had ANY problem breaking the dimensions apart.

And the Book of Darkness was STILL rated worse.

Yeah, they were breaking apart...

In that tiny area!

And the Book of Darkness was causing havok...in that small area. At Reinforces best, she was using city-wide attacks.

You are seriously over-hyping Nanoha, dude.

And you're under-estimating how dangerous that is.

Remember, Nanoha and Fate over-charged a Jewel Seed in the city. A *SINGLE* Jewel Seed.

The ripples were felt in an entire different dimension. The Dimensional Sea, they weren't near Earth until they felt those ripples.

So, no, I'm NOT over-hyping Nanoha, "dude". I'm stating facts.

You're UNDERESTIMATING Nanoha, "dude".

 

[Ryuugi]

Facepalm.

This shit has come up before, but I still feel compelled to point out that using the Jewel Seeds to 'destroy the dimesion' isn't just retarded, it's flat out impossible. Based on the associated flashback they could *possibly* destroy a few planets, at absolute best, but nothing more (and even that's going pretty damn far).

The effect is described as causing destruction across multiple universes, but overzealous fans tend to misinterpret this as actually destroying multiple universes. Which is retarded and bullshit, but also what you seem to believe.

Instead, it just means that it causes damage in very limited portions of multiple universes where they overlap or whatever.

I.e. yes, you are very much over-hyping Nanoha.

bissek: Thanks for the reply.

 

[staplesdex2]

Ryuugi, you don't like Nanoha do you? Or better yet your view of her is low that power wise she is weak in your eyes.

 

[Nanya]

Facepalm.

This shit has come up before, but I still feel compelled to point out that using the Jewel Seeds to 'destroy the dimesion' isn't just retarded, it's flat out impossible. Based on the associated flashback they could *possibly* destroy a few planets, at absolute best, but nothing more (and even that's going pretty damn far).

The effect is described as causing destruction across multiple universes, but overzealous fans tend to misinterpret this as actually destroying multiple universes. Which is retarded and bullshit, but also what you seem to believe.

Instead, it just means that it causes damage in very limited portions of multiple universes where they overlap or whatever.

I.e. yes, you are very much over-hyping Nanoha.

bissek: Thanks for the reply.

Impossible, huh?

Only a few planets?

Back that up, Ryuugi.

Tell me why those "dimensional tremors" were felt in an entirely different dimension then if they only threatened one dimension.

So, over-hyping?

No, I don't think so.

Lemme point something out.

The Saint Cradle, you know, the Star Destroyer from StrikerS.

THAT was a planet-level threat.

what happened when that came out?

WHOLE FLEET MOBILIZE!

 

[Ryuugi]

Um, yeah, exactly. The Saints Cradle showed up, a planet destroyer, if only in very limited conditions, and got a way, way bigger reaction then the Jewel Seeds ever got, because it was a way bigger problem. Thank you from proving my point, that's it exactly.

And 'Dimensional Tremors', yeah. And? So technology built by people that have dimension travel as they're focal ability were possible to detect in another dimension; shock! So what. When Chrono showed up, it was specifically stated that the thing Fate and Nanoha caused wasn't a big thing.

stap: No, I like Nanoha. I dislike it being over-hyped at the expense of another series I like, though.

 

[Nanya]

Um, yeah, exactly. The Saints Cradle showed up, a planet destroyer, if only in very limited conditions, and got a way, way bigger reaction then the Jewel Seeds ever got, because it was a way bigger problem. Thank you from proving my point, that's it exactly.

And 'Dimensional Tremors', yeah. And? So technology built by people that have dimension travel as they're focal ability were possible to detect in another dimension; shock! So what. When Chrono showed up, it was specifically stated that the thing Fate and Nanoha caused wasn't a big thing.

stap: No, I like Nanoha. I dislike it being over-hyped at the expense of another series I like, though.

*Sigh*

Well, I guess I've just wasted my time.

You hate Nanoha, so, why the hell are you even bothering to READ this story?

 

[Ryuugi]

Um, yeah, exactly. The Saints Cradle showed up, a planet destroyer, if only in very limited conditions, and got a way, way bigger reaction then the Jewel Seeds ever got, because it was a way bigger problem. Thank you from proving my point, that's it exactly.

And 'Dimensional Tremors', yeah. And? So technology built by people that have dimension travel as they're focal ability were possible to detect in another dimension; shock! So what. When Chrono showed up, it was specifically stated that the thing Fate and Nanoha caused wasn't a big thing.

stap: No, I like Nanoha. I dislike it being over-hyped at the expense of another series I like, though.

*Sigh*

Well, I guess I've just wasted my time.

You hate Nanoha, so, why the hell are you even bothering to READ this story?

Wow, it's like you didn't even read my post.

 

[Nanya]

Um, yeah, exactly. The Saints Cradle showed up, a planet destroyer, if only in very limited conditions, and got a way, way bigger reaction then the Jewel Seeds ever got, because it was a way bigger problem. Thank you from proving my point, that's it exactly.

And 'Dimensional Tremors', yeah. And? So technology built by people that have dimension travel as they're focal ability were possible to detect in another dimension; shock! So what. When Chrono showed up, it was specifically stated that the thing Fate and Nanoha caused wasn't a big thing.

stap: No, I like Nanoha. I dislike it being over-hyped at the expense of another series I like, though.

*Sigh*

Well, I guess I've just wasted my time.

You hate Nanoha, so, why the hell are you even bothering to READ this story?

Wow, it's like you didn't even read my post.

*looks again*

...

Whoops. I'll admit that was my bad.

I read your post, Ryuugi, but I read it as "No, I dislike Nanoha".

Sorry about that, Ryuugi.