Naruto Untitled Naruto Crossover
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I'm not sure who would do the possession though. Yoruichi is playful enough. Soi might decide to please her and he was convenient.
That treatment is not Nodoka, but actually Tofu's mom. Somehow her and Nodoka combined into fanon!Nodoka.
I like the Yoruichi one best. If you really want to have Sakura get ripped on, you can have Soi Fong show up and be protective of Naruto at least. While she might not instantly love him, she would still be damn pissed if anything happened to him. Mostly because of Yoruichi's reaction, but still upset.
I don't think Soi Fong is nearly as fast as Yoruichi. She may not be able to do all the flashing stuff. I don't recall her being able to and I read through the fight again about a month ago, but I also wasn't looking for that either.
That treatment is not Nodoka, but actually Tofu's mom. Somehow her and Nodoka combined into fanon!Nodoka.
I like the Yoruichi one best. If you really want to have Sakura get ripped on, you can have Soi Fong show up and be protective of Naruto at least. While she might not instantly love him, she would still be damn pissed if anything happened to him. Mostly because of Yoruichi's reaction, but still upset.
I don't think Soi Fong is nearly as fast as Yoruichi. She may not be able to do all the flashing stuff. I don't recall her being able to and I read through the fight again about a month ago, but I also wasn't looking for that either.
Once upon a time, there was a very special little boy named Uzumaki Naruto. He was special for lots of reasons. He had bright blue eyes, long blonde hair, a greater demon sealed in his tummy, and strangest of all, TWO mommies. There was his good mommy, Yuuhi Kurenai, who was tall and pretty, with long brown hair and beautiful red eyes. There was also his bad mommy, Mitarashi Anko, who wasn't quite as tall as his good mommy, and kind of dressed like a slut, but she can kick your ass, so I'd shut up about it.
And that's about all I've got in me for the moment. Anyone else feel like taking it up?
And that's about all I've got in me for the moment. Anyone else feel like taking it up?
What the Hell? Wait, wait, wait. Soi Fong, being protective of someone? Regardless of whose kid that someone is?
The same Soi Fong whose philosophy of life can be essentially summed up in "If you are too weak to stand up for yourself, you're not worth the time"?
That's, if at all possible, MORE OOC than her falling in love with someone. Soi Fong would NOT be protective of Naruto, especially if he's Yoruichi's kid. In fact, even post-reconciliation, she'd consider it an insult to Yoruichi if her son didn't stand up for himself.
In this scenario you propose, the only one Soi Fong would verbally rip apart is Naruto. And that's something he really doesn't need more of.
And by the way, falling in love isn't a requirement for making kids, as much as you romantic types might like to think so. It can be a fluke (I should know, I was one... as much as I dislike talking about it, it has to be said to make it clear) or just a biological clock going off, and if a gigai is so accurate it can get knocked up, there's no excuse for it not feeling lust or having said biological clock.Urahara is a maniac of accuracy, to the point that he'd probably outfit said gigai with an appendix, just so that it is perfectly life-like.
The same Soi Fong whose philosophy of life can be essentially summed up in "If you are too weak to stand up for yourself, you're not worth the time"?
That's, if at all possible, MORE OOC than her falling in love with someone. Soi Fong would NOT be protective of Naruto, especially if he's Yoruichi's kid. In fact, even post-reconciliation, she'd consider it an insult to Yoruichi if her son didn't stand up for himself.
In this scenario you propose, the only one Soi Fong would verbally rip apart is Naruto. And that's something he really doesn't need more of.
And by the way, falling in love isn't a requirement for making kids, as much as you romantic types might like to think so. It can be a fluke (I should know, I was one... as much as I dislike talking about it, it has to be said to make it clear) or just a biological clock going off, and if a gigai is so accurate it can get knocked up, there's no excuse for it not feeling lust or having said biological clock.Urahara is a maniac of accuracy, to the point that he'd probably outfit said gigai with an appendix, just so that it is perfectly life-like.
I suddenly kinda like the idea of Soi Fong as his mother... she'd probably be as firmly against NaruHina as I am. Hell, she probably wouldn't even respect her in the slightest...
This part is win.
Yes... but for someone like Soi Fong it would likely be a necessity. Otherwise, abortion is an option... and one she might not blink at using.
As you mentioned, she has a very cold outlook. An unborn child falls into the 'can't stand up for itself, not worth the time' category. Not to mention it would interfere with her work.
Whether she would apply that philosophy to an unborn child really is up in the air... but with it falling into the summation you used and interfering with her life, I think it is one she would probably use without hesitation.
Without love to give her a reason to keep the baby, I can't see why she would. It could be tossed away as a 'mother's instincts,' but...
This part is win.
Yes... but for someone like Soi Fong it would likely be a necessity. Otherwise, abortion is an option... and one she might not blink at using.
As you mentioned, she has a very cold outlook. An unborn child falls into the 'can't stand up for itself, not worth the time' category. Not to mention it would interfere with her work.
Whether she would apply that philosophy to an unborn child really is up in the air... but with it falling into the summation you used and interfering with her life, I think it is one she would probably use without hesitation.
Without love to give her a reason to keep the baby, I can't see why she would. It could be tossed away as a 'mother's instincts,' but...
Using that same logic, it can be assumed that she would do the same if Naruto was her own son. The Hyuuga seem to have that attitude, so her having it is not impossible. If you want her to be an uncaring bitch then she would have to be an uncaring bitch to everyone. The idea would never work since she never fell in love and probably wouldn't care about her son either.
Is there any reason you decided to go with squad 2 captains? There are plenty of other choices that would actually work for one reason or another. Rangiku would work based on appearance. Rukia would work since Arashi would probably be like her crush. Kukaku could work, but the fact that she isn't a shinigami would be an issue. She probably has the potential anyway, since her brother was one.
An interesting thing about Kukaku is that symbol on her dress/shirt. It is the same symbol as the ANBU tattoo, just that is upside down and has one more line added to it. Plus the symbol looks very much like the leaf, just without the triangle tip.
Soi was almost exactly like Hinata before Yoruichi left, so I don't see that working too well. If anything she would sympathize with her and maybe spend some time helping her get better. Plus in the first bit, she said she liked her.
Is there any reason you decided to go with squad 2 captains? There are plenty of other choices that would actually work for one reason or another. Rangiku would work based on appearance. Rukia would work since Arashi would probably be like her crush. Kukaku could work, but the fact that she isn't a shinigami would be an issue. She probably has the potential anyway, since her brother was one.
An interesting thing about Kukaku is that symbol on her dress/shirt. It is the same symbol as the ANBU tattoo, just that is upside down and has one more line added to it. Plus the symbol looks very much like the leaf, just without the triangle tip.
Soi was almost exactly like Hinata before Yoruichi left, so I don't see that working too well. If anything she would sympathize with her and maybe spend some time helping her get better. Plus in the first bit, she said she liked her.
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I suddenly kinda like the idea of Soi Fong as his mother... she'd probably be as firmly against NaruHina as I am. Hell, she probably wouldn't even respect her in the slightest...
This part is win.
This part is win.
Granted, she'd probably view all other girls that way. Especially pre Timeskip Sakura. About the only Genin girls she'd respect are Temari and MAYBE Tenten.
Now this is a more reasonable objection, and I'll agree with you. Granted, she MIGHT have mother's instinct... or she might think that having a child could ensure a successor, which is always a plus.
Problem is, in the latter case, she'd be taking Naruto away.
Now, a Naruto raised in soul Society and growing curious of where he was born has potential, but it's not what this fic is about.
Incidentally, Yoruichi has the same problem. She's too catlike, and cats are VERY protective of their young, and never leave them, unless they are seriously fucked up. Given how Yoruichi doesn't follow rules to begin with, I see her returning to Konoha right away to either care for her kid or take him with her, and rules be damned. She up and left once, you can't say she won't do it again. especially with a kid on the line.
Actually, wait. I just realized something. Unless I remember wrong, Shinigami are specifically FORBIDDEN from arbitrarily ending human lives without cause, and that cause has to be a dire one (them interfering with balance between the living world and SS, like a Quincy).
Abortion counts as arbitrarily ending a life before its time, and is thus a serious crime in Shinigami terms. Soi Fong might well carry the pregnancy to term out of duty, since killing her unborn child would go against everything she stands for. A Shinigami is meant, after all, to escort the souls of those whose time on the living world has come to its destined end. To purposefully cut that time short by killing an unborn child would make her no better than the Hollows, and I doubt she'd feel justified in doing that.
Just a minor detail.
Abortion counts as arbitrarily ending a life before its time, and is thus a serious crime in Shinigami terms. Soi Fong might well carry the pregnancy to term out of duty, since killing her unborn child would go against everything she stands for. A Shinigami is meant, after all, to escort the souls of those whose time on the living world has come to its destined end. To purposefully cut that time short by killing an unborn child would make her no better than the Hollows, and I doubt she'd feel justified in doing that.
Just a minor detail.
I doubt the reason she didn't return was a law, she was probably unable to. Soi likes Hinata, she said so. Unless she happened to follow Hanabi around instead and liked her bitchiness and thinks Arashi would like that for some reason.
So far the only reason against Yoruichi is genetics, which was easily cleared up. Soi Fong has many issues preventing her from being the mother based on personality. As much as I like Sakura getting reamed for her stupidity, I prefer the lighthearted story with Yoruichi. It has much more potential for good scenes. The fact that the story was designed for Yoruichi and Soi Fong was just tossed in there, doesn't help. If you use Soi Fong, you have to change the whole thing to fit her personality.
So far the only reason against Yoruichi is genetics, which was easily cleared up. Soi Fong has many issues preventing her from being the mother based on personality. As much as I like Sakura getting reamed for her stupidity, I prefer the lighthearted story with Yoruichi. It has much more potential for good scenes. The fact that the story was designed for Yoruichi and Soi Fong was just tossed in there, doesn't help. If you use Soi Fong, you have to change the whole thing to fit her personality.
Unable to? The same Yoruichi who clearly shows she can go to and from Soul Society whenever she damn well pleases?
Let's stretch disbelief a little more. :no:
In Soi Fong's case I can see her leaving Naruto behind after he's born, since pre-reconciliation with Yoruichi she's clearly a wee bit obsessed. But I see no such excuse beyond a lame Deus Ex Machina for Yoruichi to do the same.
Furthermore, having Yoruichi as the mother makes the fic lighthearted... and utterly predictable. Yoruichi is TOO MUCH like Naruto for her to hold any interest that way. She'd mess around much like he does, and probably treat him the same as she did Ichigo, both when she's relaxing and when she's serious.
Soi Fong, on the other hand, offers an interesting contrast. You're assuming that the kid HAS to be like the mom, but when the mom has been ABSENT for the kid's whole life, their personalities being exact opposites isn't rare at all, so the personality issue is worth squat. A parent can only shape the kid like him or herself if s/he is PRESENT to do so, and unlike what you may think, personality is NOT genetic.
My dad, whom I never met in person because my mom essentially scared him away in a pregnancy mood swing bout, was, according to my grandma, a serious man, if weak willed. She says I'm his exact opposite. So much for Soi Fong's personality being an obstacle.
And arguing her personality as being the reason she wouldn't get knocked up in the first place is a poor argument as well. All one has to do (and SR implied it in earlier notes) is to have Soi Fong be interested in Arashi's techniques, an him suckering her into a few dates in exchange for coaching.
With enough interaction, and assuming Arashi isn't a total klutz with women, I can see her becoming at least marginally interested in the man as she hangs around him, enough to even return during successive vacation periods, say once each year, for more training, and eventually sleeping together, just this once.
Or, if Shinigami vacations indeed last afew years, I can see her hanging around directly, initially just to learn techniques from him, then to learn about him... and most of the rare stuff we learned about Arashi points to him as a strong, determined man... the type of person Soi Fong can grow to respect, and eventually like.
Yes, it'd require at least a couple chapters of flashback mode, mayve even three, but it can be done in that amount, and then it's back to the story. The Kakashi gaiden worked that way, and nobody disliked it, which is rare in itself for Naruto, so why not do the same for this fic?
I rest my case.
Let's stretch disbelief a little more. :no:
In Soi Fong's case I can see her leaving Naruto behind after he's born, since pre-reconciliation with Yoruichi she's clearly a wee bit obsessed. But I see no such excuse beyond a lame Deus Ex Machina for Yoruichi to do the same.
Furthermore, having Yoruichi as the mother makes the fic lighthearted... and utterly predictable. Yoruichi is TOO MUCH like Naruto for her to hold any interest that way. She'd mess around much like he does, and probably treat him the same as she did Ichigo, both when she's relaxing and when she's serious.
Soi Fong, on the other hand, offers an interesting contrast. You're assuming that the kid HAS to be like the mom, but when the mom has been ABSENT for the kid's whole life, their personalities being exact opposites isn't rare at all, so the personality issue is worth squat. A parent can only shape the kid like him or herself if s/he is PRESENT to do so, and unlike what you may think, personality is NOT genetic.
My dad, whom I never met in person because my mom essentially scared him away in a pregnancy mood swing bout, was, according to my grandma, a serious man, if weak willed. She says I'm his exact opposite. So much for Soi Fong's personality being an obstacle.
And arguing her personality as being the reason she wouldn't get knocked up in the first place is a poor argument as well. All one has to do (and SR implied it in earlier notes) is to have Soi Fong be interested in Arashi's techniques, an him suckering her into a few dates in exchange for coaching.
With enough interaction, and assuming Arashi isn't a total klutz with women, I can see her becoming at least marginally interested in the man as she hangs around him, enough to even return during successive vacation periods, say once each year, for more training, and eventually sleeping together, just this once.
Or, if Shinigami vacations indeed last afew years, I can see her hanging around directly, initially just to learn techniques from him, then to learn about him... and most of the rare stuff we learned about Arashi points to him as a strong, determined man... the type of person Soi Fong can grow to respect, and eventually like.
Yes, it'd require at least a couple chapters of flashback mode, mayve even three, but it can be done in that amount, and then it's back to the story. The Kakashi gaiden worked that way, and nobody disliked it, which is rare in itself for Naruto, so why not do the same for this fic?
I rest my case.
I meant physically unable to. As I said she doesn't care about laws. But if the entrance to that world was blocked for 14 years, she wouldn't be able to go back. The only thing that kinda messes with that theory is that Sarutobi was able to summon one, but that can be taken care of by just disabling the entrance for that particular shinigami.
Soi Fong is too much of a stretch. Too much would have to be altered for it to work. You yourself said K.I.S.S., what you are proposing is not simple. She still wouldn't care about Naruto. She would probably regard him as a moron like she does Ichigo. The only possible way it could work is if she regained her emotions. The whole Soi Fong idea is too far fetched.
Soi Fong is too much of a stretch. Too much would have to be altered for it to work. You yourself said K.I.S.S., what you are proposing is not simple. She still wouldn't care about Naruto. She would probably regard him as a moron like she does Ichigo. The only possible way it could work is if she regained her emotions. The whole Soi Fong idea is too far fetched.
In the latest too snippets, I thought the Yoruichi one was better again. Number of reasons for that, one is the chase is something that Yoruichi would do while it is OOC for Soi Fon (we saw this during Yoruichi and Soi Fon's fight, Yoruichi made her chase her while Soi Fon was inclined to stay in a single area and pound her.) Two is that Soi Fon is still too verbose in her dialogue.
"Will you answer Kakashi?" would fit better.
I'd go with: "Kakashi,ö she replied, turning her head slightly so steel-grey met pinwheel-red. ôI want my son."
The answer Soi Fon gave has nothing to do with Kakashi's statement, which is basically that Sarutobi told them that Naruto's parents were dead. The law has nothing to do with that. Also, I don't think that Soi Fon would be complimentary towards old Sarutobi. If anything her response should be more like: Ignoring the gasps of shock and surprise; turned around angrily, her haori snapping at her movement. ôSarutobi was a fool. He knew nothing and his mistakes caused the son of Kazama Arashi to be treated like trash!ö
This line is just wrong for Soi Fon. She would not act defensive towards a mortal girl's statement especially since the girl knows nothing about what happened. She would also not get so vindictive towards someone so far below herself.
This is wrong in the Yoruichi part as well, there is no reason that Lee wouldn't be able to see her. His only disability is having no talent at ninjutsu or genjutsu, which was Gai's statement.
The smile is OOC for her and the statement is too. "Staring at him, the woman replied. ôBetter. YouÆre asking the right questions. My name is Soi Fong.ö
Basically, it reads like the dialogue was for Yoruichi and you threw Soi Fon in instead. As far as these two snippets go, Yoruichi fits better in them. Yoruichi works in the mortal world, Soi Fon doesn't. She just wouldn't interact with humans (one: shinigami aren't supposed to do so, two: they are her social lessers by such a degree that Soi Fon wouldn't even acknowledge them.)
"Will you answer Kakashi?" would fit better.
I'd go with: "Kakashi,ö she replied, turning her head slightly so steel-grey met pinwheel-red. ôI want my son."
The answer Soi Fon gave has nothing to do with Kakashi's statement, which is basically that Sarutobi told them that Naruto's parents were dead. The law has nothing to do with that. Also, I don't think that Soi Fon would be complimentary towards old Sarutobi. If anything her response should be more like: Ignoring the gasps of shock and surprise; turned around angrily, her haori snapping at her movement. ôSarutobi was a fool. He knew nothing and his mistakes caused the son of Kazama Arashi to be treated like trash!ö
This line is just wrong for Soi Fon. She would not act defensive towards a mortal girl's statement especially since the girl knows nothing about what happened. She would also not get so vindictive towards someone so far below herself.
This is wrong in the Yoruichi part as well, there is no reason that Lee wouldn't be able to see her. His only disability is having no talent at ninjutsu or genjutsu, which was Gai's statement.
The smile is OOC for her and the statement is too. "Staring at him, the woman replied. ôBetter. YouÆre asking the right questions. My name is Soi Fong.ö
Basically, it reads like the dialogue was for Yoruichi and you threw Soi Fon in instead. As far as these two snippets go, Yoruichi fits better in them. Yoruichi works in the mortal world, Soi Fon doesn't. She just wouldn't interact with humans (one: shinigami aren't supposed to do so, two: they are her social lessers by such a degree that Soi Fon wouldn't even acknowledge them.)
Well, if you recall, SR had her saying 'You were right, I was wrong' to the Hokage's monument, so her rediscovering her emotions is possible. Or, more likely, she finally realized the price of her obsession after facing off with Yoruichi. In that same vein, she could have realized that while off hunting for Yoruichi, she had done the same thing to her child that the golden-eyed shinigami had done for her.
And yeah, she'd view him as a moron at first. BUT since he's off on the training trip with Jiraiya, its likely that the Sennin has been beating that foolishness out of him (See how easy it is, Kishimoto?! SEE?!?!). So while he is an idiot, he's learning, unlike Kurosaki. And, lets face it. When Naruto DOES use his brain, he pulls off the level of shit Soi Fong would be proud of.
And considering that he raised himself in the face of overwhelming hatred and didn't break, I think that Soi Fong would be willing enough to cut him some slack. After all, Naruto bows to no man. He just needs to learn to think a little more.
And yeah, she'd view him as a moron at first. BUT since he's off on the training trip with Jiraiya, its likely that the Sennin has been beating that foolishness out of him (See how easy it is, Kishimoto?! SEE?!?!). So while he is an idiot, he's learning, unlike Kurosaki. And, lets face it. When Naruto DOES use his brain, he pulls off the level of shit Soi Fong would be proud of.
And considering that he raised himself in the face of overwhelming hatred and didn't break, I think that Soi Fong would be willing enough to cut him some slack. After all, Naruto bows to no man. He just needs to learn to think a little more.
This right here is a gigantic plothole. One, if the entrance was closed off for Yoruichi, it'd have to be closed off for ALL OTHER SHINIGAMI, barring a summoning opening the way briefly.
And without Shinigami escorting souls to Soul Society, the souls will accumulate and the balance between the two worlds will collapse. Rukia explains why Shinigami are necessary in the very first issue, for God's sake. Cutting the access off to Shinigami is NOT an option, and cutting it off to only Yoruichi stinks of Deus Ex Machina from miles away, and will feel incredibly cheesy and forced.
And second, and more important, no Shinigami means the place will be crawling with Hollows, and the more powerful ones can eat up entire villages for a light snack. Heck, it might even become an Arrancar stronghold. Nothing is more perfect that a world where the blasted Shinigami can't go, and where souls are plentiful, and not even a Jinchuuriki can take on an Arrancar and come out of it alive, let alone in one piece.
Cutting Shinigami off physically is a spectacularly BAD idea, which will cause even more prolems than Soi Fong being the mom. Cutting only Yoruichi off smells of plot device, which tends to make a fanfic fail since it means the author found no other way to get around a roadblock. And disregarding the issue amounts to character rape on Yoruichi. However you do it, you lose in this situation.
Any other questions?
...on a side note, discussing Bleach plot points with a Bleach fanboy isn't the wisest thing you could do. :snigger:
And without Shinigami escorting souls to Soul Society, the souls will accumulate and the balance between the two worlds will collapse. Rukia explains why Shinigami are necessary in the very first issue, for God's sake. Cutting the access off to Shinigami is NOT an option, and cutting it off to only Yoruichi stinks of Deus Ex Machina from miles away, and will feel incredibly cheesy and forced.
And second, and more important, no Shinigami means the place will be crawling with Hollows, and the more powerful ones can eat up entire villages for a light snack. Heck, it might even become an Arrancar stronghold. Nothing is more perfect that a world where the blasted Shinigami can't go, and where souls are plentiful, and not even a Jinchuuriki can take on an Arrancar and come out of it alive, let alone in one piece.
Cutting Shinigami off physically is a spectacularly BAD idea, which will cause even more prolems than Soi Fong being the mom. Cutting only Yoruichi off smells of plot device, which tends to make a fanfic fail since it means the author found no other way to get around a roadblock. And disregarding the issue amounts to character rape on Yoruichi. However you do it, you lose in this situation.
Any other questions?
...on a side note, discussing Bleach plot points with a Bleach fanboy isn't the wisest thing you could do. :snigger:
I don't remember that point. For the sake of argument I'll work on the assumption that it's true, unless someone can refute it.
So, assuming a soul is imparted at the instant of conception and that Soi Fong wouldn't just abort him despite the law, since he would be too young a soul to identify her as his mother and no one would even think she had a child...
The problem with Soi Fong then becomes... why the hell did she come back? If she doesn't care about Naruto and she wasn't in love with the Yondaime, then... why is she there?
Does she need Naruto for something? If so, I can't see him liking her very much. If she came back only because she had a use for him, and not because she actually cared about him...
She said so in the fan fiction, which seems to be contrary to her actual nature. The point isn't whether she said it in SR's story... it's whether Soi Fong would say it.
Would make more sense. Hanabi would stand up for herself, while Hinata wouldn't.
She might try, but Soi Fong would tear her down so fast that any progress she made would be completely negated the moment the Shinigami opened her mouth.
Well, that involves two problems...
1) It suggests that she loved the Yondaime, which falls back to requiring an entire story just to set it up. If she had a one night stand, got pregnant, then dumped the kid on him... she really wouldn't have had enough interaction with him to really care.
2) The situation with Yoruichi/Soi Fong and Naruto/Soi Fong is different. She cared about and admired Yoruichi, and felt betrayed by her. Naruto never knew her, nor did she know him. He really doesn't have an opinion about her, just questions.
Soi Fong is just too hard to make work, without jumping through hoops galore.
So, assuming a soul is imparted at the instant of conception and that Soi Fong wouldn't just abort him despite the law, since he would be too young a soul to identify her as his mother and no one would even think she had a child...
The problem with Soi Fong then becomes... why the hell did she come back? If she doesn't care about Naruto and she wasn't in love with the Yondaime, then... why is she there?
Does she need Naruto for something? If so, I can't see him liking her very much. If she came back only because she had a use for him, and not because she actually cared about him...
She said so in the fan fiction, which seems to be contrary to her actual nature. The point isn't whether she said it in SR's story... it's whether Soi Fong would say it.
Would make more sense. Hanabi would stand up for herself, while Hinata wouldn't.
She might try, but Soi Fong would tear her down so fast that any progress she made would be completely negated the moment the Shinigami opened her mouth.
Well, that involves two problems...
1) It suggests that she loved the Yondaime, which falls back to requiring an entire story just to set it up. If she had a one night stand, got pregnant, then dumped the kid on him... she really wouldn't have had enough interaction with him to really care.
2) The situation with Yoruichi/Soi Fong and Naruto/Soi Fong is different. She cared about and admired Yoruichi, and felt betrayed by her. Naruto never knew her, nor did she know him. He really doesn't have an opinion about her, just questions.
Soi Fong is just too hard to make work, without jumping through hoops galore.
By the way, I just had a thought. Hollows are people who have been tied to the mortal plane by their wants, grudges and regrets, and whose darkness eventually consumed them with revenge.
Doesn't that mean that conceivably, people like Yashamaru (Gaara's caretaker/relative), any of Orochimaru's victims, the Sound genin whom Oro sacrificed, the Sound 4, Haku and others might show up later as Hollows or even Arrancar?
For an extra creepy thought, the sand defense Gaara has is actually a Hollow who used to be his mother, and who 'feeds' on those it crushes to death. Neat explanation that ties in with Bleach.
Doesn't that mean that conceivably, people like Yashamaru (Gaara's caretaker/relative), any of Orochimaru's victims, the Sound genin whom Oro sacrificed, the Sound 4, Haku and others might show up later as Hollows or even Arrancar?
For an extra creepy thought, the sand defense Gaara has is actually a Hollow who used to be his mother, and who 'feeds' on those it crushes to death. Neat explanation that ties in with Bleach.
A Shinigami being banned through mystical means from a plane where they consumed and manipulated souls at the behest of a mortal, for a certain period of time, isn't so farfetched. It seems like that'd be one of those 'encroaching on the rights of God' situations, and banning them from a plane where they've done such a thing only makes sense.
She may have realized that she let her obsession take important things away from her, and that's one good reason to come back and at least ensure her child survived. Se'd owe him hat much, at least.
But the more important reason is - Orochimaru.
His Edo Tensei has to be a giant thorn in SS's side, and they would almost certainly dispatch a Shinigami or two after all the use he made of it recently, not to mention the souls he keeps dislodging from their bodies. At first, e may be of little consequence, but give it a few years, and the hiher ups in SS will start getting annoyed. Cue them dispatching Soi Fong, and ehr taking the chance to check on her kid when she recognizes Konoha, having somewhat softened aftre her confrontation with Yoruichi.
Granted, that'd imply she sinooped around Konoha long enough to be less than pleased at finding out they consider her son a demon, since she's fairly sure he's no such thing. And since his possibly being miserale is her responsibility, and she hates having debts, she may, at least once, look out for him. Perhaps even see if he has Shinigami potential, so she could propose him to Soul Society. Ichigo set a precedent, so...
As you can see, it's doable without stretching belief much. What can I say, I'm used to making backgrounds work, as you may have been able to tell from reading some of my xover fics. :snigger:
But the more important reason is - Orochimaru.
His Edo Tensei has to be a giant thorn in SS's side, and they would almost certainly dispatch a Shinigami or two after all the use he made of it recently, not to mention the souls he keeps dislodging from their bodies. At first, e may be of little consequence, but give it a few years, and the hiher ups in SS will start getting annoyed. Cue them dispatching Soi Fong, and ehr taking the chance to check on her kid when she recognizes Konoha, having somewhat softened aftre her confrontation with Yoruichi.
Granted, that'd imply she sinooped around Konoha long enough to be less than pleased at finding out they consider her son a demon, since she's fairly sure he's no such thing. And since his possibly being miserale is her responsibility, and she hates having debts, she may, at least once, look out for him. Perhaps even see if he has Shinigami potential, so she could propose him to Soul Society. Ichigo set a precedent, so...
As you can see, it's doable without stretching belief much. What can I say, I'm used to making backgrounds work, as you may have been able to tell from reading some of my xover fics. :snigger:
Sweeeet. Definitely like that idea.
...all of a sudden I want to see a self-made Arrancar (or whatever you want to call them) fem!Haku playing both the Shinigami and Aizen to get what she wants: Naruto. :huh:
Fair point. However, I think she had to respect him at least. Hell, maybe the only real turn-off about him was the fact that he kept criticising her obsession and trying to get her to turn away from it. :huh.:
True. Perhaps she saw that there were parallels between what happened. Point is that after being abandoned she went and did the same thing. :huh.: Just a thought.
...all of a sudden I want to see a self-made Arrancar (or whatever you want to call them) fem!Haku playing both the Shinigami and Aizen to get what she wants: Naruto. :huh:
Fair point. However, I think she had to respect him at least. Hell, maybe the only real turn-off about him was the fact that he kept criticising her obsession and trying to get her to turn away from it. :huh.:
True. Perhaps she saw that there were parallels between what happened. Point is that after being abandoned she went and did the same thing. :huh.: Just a thought.
That's only true if she's still PART of Soul Society. She LEFT it over 100 years before, and as such, they have about... oh... zero authority and power over her.
Can't very well ban a Shinigami whe she's officially not even a Shinigami anymore, can you? And as sad as it sounds, yes, SS *is* that anal about rank and file.
That also incidentally means Yonny CAN'T summon her after she left Soul Society. She's technically not a Shinigami anymore, and such technicalities are a big deal in Bleach, remember? Yet another problem in using Yoruichi - her lack of official Shinigami status.
BTW, since the contract can obviously summon other "Death Gods", it's actually more likely, given the way that the God acts, that it's actually a Hollow or Arrancar summoning contract, not a Shinigami one. And this completely kills any chance of either Yoru or Soi Fing of being summoned for the deed.
And the idea of personalized contracts summoning only one creature specifically also smells of plot device, so I'm auto-disapproving it.
See how easy it is to find holes in both ideas?
At this point it's all a matter of SoftRogue's personal preferences. Both ideas have holes in them, and at that point he might as well go with the option he feels will yield the more interesting results.
Can't very well ban a Shinigami whe she's officially not even a Shinigami anymore, can you? And as sad as it sounds, yes, SS *is* that anal about rank and file.
That also incidentally means Yonny CAN'T summon her after she left Soul Society. She's technically not a Shinigami anymore, and such technicalities are a big deal in Bleach, remember? Yet another problem in using Yoruichi - her lack of official Shinigami status.
BTW, since the contract can obviously summon other "Death Gods", it's actually more likely, given the way that the God acts, that it's actually a Hollow or Arrancar summoning contract, not a Shinigami one. And this completely kills any chance of either Yoru or Soi Fing of being summoned for the deed.
And the idea of personalized contracts summoning only one creature specifically also smells of plot device, so I'm auto-disapproving it.
See how easy it is to find holes in both ideas?
At this point it's all a matter of SoftRogue's personal preferences. Both ideas have holes in them, and at that point he might as well go with the option he feels will yield the more interesting results.
Actually, wasn't urahara cut off specifically from going back to soul society. Hence the barrier blocking his hand when he opened the gate at the start of the ss arc. So Yoruichi being blocked makes a great deal of sense and has been shown in canon bleach. In fact urahara was cut off for much longer than the fourteen years that Yoruichi is supposed to.
Orochimaru is a good reason for her to be in the Naruto universe, admitted.
The part about checking to make sure Naruto was still alive... not so much. If you toss in a comment from Yoruichi about Soi Fong's son, during their confrontation in Soul Society, then maybe she would get curious enough to bother making a sidetrip to check on him.
But then we fall back to the issue you mentioned about plot devices. Without something to spark her interest and without her seeing how he's treated or thought of (which doesn't make sense with him not being in the village and all, anyway), what reason would she have to meet with him?
She also didn't seem to like Ichigo because of what he was. I can't see her trying to make another one.
"I'm your mom. Just wanted to make sure you're still alive... don't die, because you annoy me and I don't particularly care to put up with you on a regular basis. Bye." Amusing, but... :no:
Not if it is based on being a Shinigami (not the rank, but the actual state of being). It could very well be a law of the universe, set by the Creator.
Did they sever her Shinigami powers? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. If not she only lost the rank of Shinigami... the state of being, however, is still there.
See above. It could simply summon a Shinigami, not someone who holds the official 'rank.'
The part about checking to make sure Naruto was still alive... not so much. If you toss in a comment from Yoruichi about Soi Fong's son, during their confrontation in Soul Society, then maybe she would get curious enough to bother making a sidetrip to check on him.
But then we fall back to the issue you mentioned about plot devices. Without something to spark her interest and without her seeing how he's treated or thought of (which doesn't make sense with him not being in the village and all, anyway), what reason would she have to meet with him?
She also didn't seem to like Ichigo because of what he was. I can't see her trying to make another one.
"I'm your mom. Just wanted to make sure you're still alive... don't die, because you annoy me and I don't particularly care to put up with you on a regular basis. Bye." Amusing, but... :no:
Not if it is based on being a Shinigami (not the rank, but the actual state of being). It could very well be a law of the universe, set by the Creator.
Did they sever her Shinigami powers? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. If not she only lost the rank of Shinigami... the state of being, however, is still there.
See above. It could simply summon a Shinigami, not someone who holds the official 'rank.'