Naruto Untitled Naruto Crossover

Jakkun · Jan 17, 2007

Wasn't it stated somewhere that this world didn't have problems with hollows since the mortals could see them and kill them on their own?

The doorway could have been sealed off until Sarutobi forced it open again. Since there was only a period of a few weeks between then and when Naruto left, it may have taken her some time to both find out that it was reopened and to get there.

Yoruichi wasn't exiled herself, she just more or less quit and abandoned her post. She may very well count for the summoning. It might not have anything to do with official rank, but who has the ability to do the job. The summoning could have destroyed her gigai and prevented her from getting a new one there. She may have been able to observe in shinigami form, but that kinda tosses out the idea of people being able to see her, unless she stayed in cat form.

I don't think she stayed with Uruhara the whole time. From what I can gather, she just showed up when he needed her. That could have been why she didn't know about Sarutobi doing the summoning as well. She could have left before then, and wasn't able to get back in time.

If both have such major plot holes, than the best option is to pick someone else. The problem still remains with the banishment though, that would be an issue no matter who was chosen.

Fosfor · Jan 17, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

Uh, GH, You don't NEED to cut ALL shinigami out to cut ONE. Cease in point, Urahara. I don't know if you remember, but in Bleach there is a scene where Urahara makes a Senkaimon for Ichigo. After Ichigo steps through it, Urahara tries and can't so much as TOUCH it. It clearly rejects him, zapping his hand hard enough to make him really feel it. Which means it IS possible to cut of specific people, most porpably using their reiatsu frequency or some such. Now we CAN argue that it is cutting somebody OUT of Soul Society, but I'd guess opposite would be equally possible. It's only logical.

GenocideHeart · Jan 17, 2007

Mr. Mysterious said:

Now you are going on the assumption that there are a bunch of rogue Shinigami running around. Matter of fact is, the only one we saw in canon is Yoruichi, and no mention is made at ALL of others also having pulled her stunt.

Also, while Yoruichi still has superhuman abilities, remember - she's not an ordinary being. I can't think of any other Shinigami who turns into a cat (or more specifically, is a cat who tuns into a human), so she might well have power over the dead from being a nekomata, which throws SS sealing her off right out of the window, since demon seals tend to be a messy thing.

Waaaaay too many things count as demons in Japanese terms, and I don't see SS wanting to piss EVERY demonic-type spirit just to throw a hissy fit at Yoruichi. That's like acting liek a spoiled kid who doesn't care how much damage he does as long as he gets his way kid, which I don't see most of the higher ups doing.

gimp · Jan 17, 2007

Also, Yoru could have another excellent reason for not being around for fourteen years, sealing the Kyuubi could have drained her enough that she would need a cat nap to recover. Either for the full fourteen years or just long enough that she no longer had covert access to the gate to that world. Urahara would need time to make another one, Soi fon on the other hand could still use the official one. Besides don't you want to see Yoru and Tsunade and Anko having a drinking contest, or just anko and yoru teasing naruto with copious amounst of skin while jiraiya is left drooling.

ttestagr · Jan 17, 2007

Ichigo is a shinigami, and has been since the first chapter. Yet until recently he had absolutely no connection to Soul Society and the Gotei 13. In much the same way Yoruichi is still a shinigami, leaving Soul Society didn't change that. Same for Urahara, and he's even completely blocked from leaving the mortal world.

SRogue is changing the Shiki Fujin as it is, that isn't the problem.

The real problem with this entire idea, with both Soi Fon and Yoruichi is why the hell she and Yondaime sealed the fox in Naruto. Either one of them would have been able to lay the mother of all smackdowns on the fox with no help, much less the need to seal the fox through Yondaime into Naruto. The only way out of this that I see is that Yoruichi/Soi Fon wasn't there at the time and the jutsu and its result was against SS law. So when it was dispelled, Yoruichi found herself sent back to a SS that was waiting for her, and locked up for a bit over a decade.

gimp · Jan 17, 2007

Another fun idea would be naruto eyes when he goes kyuubi. Although it could be due to the fox, it could also be a result of having Yoru as his mother. The eyes are normally blue but turn slitted and red, the slitted "cat's eyes" from his mother and red due to the kyuubi. If it was another manifestation of the fox's presence then wouldn't it be more constant like the whisker marks or the eyes on Yukito (nekomata's vessel). Finally the cat fight between Yoru and Yukito would be awesome to watch, especially if Yoru decides she likes Yukito enough to be a good mate for her son.

GenocideHeart · Jan 17, 2007

Jakkun said:

SR mentioned that minor Hollows were dealt with by shinobi, but I'm talking shit like Menos Grande's, Grand Fisher and other things that can tear Shinigami to shreds, let alone the ninja which SR's newest snippet shows as CLEARLY INFERIOR to both Soi Fong and Yoruichi.

The stronger Hollows, the big ones and the possible Arrancar will make mincemea of any ninja. And after 14 years, there WILL be some.

That is a good point. Of course reiatsu frequency is altered when in a gigai - it's been implied in the manga at least half a dozen times, notably because a gigai forces the user to shed it to use bankai, with Urahara's being the only exception, as he can use Benihime regardless - and since a bankai is dependant on the reiatsu being channeled properly, the gigai obviously screws it over.

Therefore, all Urahara theoretically has to do is create an unregistered or modifed gigai, alter his reiatsu and then go through. No, its not just reiatsu. That barrier does keep him out, but it has to work on some otehr basis. It seems to just be there, but given how it obviously isn't based on the person being or not a Shinigami (Ishida gets through, so does the power-less Rukia)AND it's not based on Reiatsu, the explanations become really farfetched and not worth the headache.

Plus, a barrier has to be mantained from the inside to keep someone outside. That's how it works in Bleach. I don't see SS putting permanently a Shinigami in Naruto's world just to punish Yoruichi... that's jus a waste of manpower.

And it assumes it WAS Yoruichi who was summoned. Again, given how the Death God in Naruto goes about his job, it's more likely a Hollow or Arrancar. Shinigami do NOT eat souls, in fact it's an outright crime to them. And as unlawful as Yoru is, she won't do that particular action. She still despises Hollows, after all.

Fails for wrong Shinigami. RANGIKU is the heavy drinker among the Shinigami, not Yoruichi.

Also, that is once again a convenient plot device. People, you keep ragging on me for my ideas being plot devices, then you throw out YOUR OWN plot devices an expect me to quietly let you do it? No. :no:

GenocideHeart · Jan 17, 2007

gimp said:

You forget that the otehr Bijuu were sealed with different methods in their Jinchuuriki. Naruto was the only one on whom the Shiki Fuujin was used. Gaara had a ritual that actually gives Shuukaku a great deal of influence, and Yugito was probably similar.

Kyuubi is the only one who's restrained that much.

That won't work. Naruto was basically newborn. Neither Soi Fong nor Yoruichi are going ANYwhere so soon after childbirth, I don't care how resilient their bodies are supposed to be. Women don't walk around so soon after childbirth, much less go far away. I can concede that Yoruichi and Soi Fong might be able to walk, but leave the village far enough to not make it back in time? Please.

But even weakened, Yoruichi can and would get up and shred Kyuubi to protect her newborn son. You've all seen what she can do, and Yoru wasn't even serious against Soi Fong, so she's even more unlikely to just lie down and let the fox go to town on her mate and son. Especially if she knows it'd result in Yonny's death and the child being horribly cursed.

Soi Fong, on the other hand, I can see leaving as soon as she can stand. And tha'd be a perfect excuse for her not being there.

ttestagr · Jan 17, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

You're right in that the mother had to be there, but we both forgot one important detail. Basically that she would have been in a gigai at the time. Both of them can go into spirit form and have no problems.

If Soi Fon just leaves Naruto like that, you make her just about unusable in this fic. One, why would she bother looking for Naruto. Two, why won't Naruto hate her for abandoning him and his village in its greatest time of need (especially since all the shit in his life would her fault, for not helping and putting down the fox and then sealing it in him afterwards because Yondaime had no other options.)

The only way my idea works though is if the birth knocked the mother out of it enough that the only way to get her out of the gigai was to summon her with the illegal Shiki Fujin. Which isn't a stretch now that I think about it.

cdog21 · Jan 17, 2007

With all this back and forth stuff about "Soi Fong is a bitch she wouldn't have kids no less Naruto" and "Yoruichi is too dark skinned and she jokes to much, she sucks as a choice for Naruto's mom" I can honestly say I don't even want to read this thing anymore. So there you go folks im tapping out. Good night and don't forget to turn the lights off when you leave :no:

GenocideHeart · Jan 17, 2007

ttestagr said:

But in that case, neither Yoru nor Soi Fong can be banished for illegally using Shinigami powers. If they were so out of it that they had to be forcefully separated from the gigai, then their actions can be filed under unwilling behavior, since the summoning was performed by a human on his own accord.

In fact, the more I think of it, the more this Shiki Fuujin would be grounds for SS to send an extermination squad after Yonny like they did to Rukia. The Shinigami MIGHT be put on trial, but given the circumstances of Kyuubi's assault, and the fact that Kyuubi is an unnatural being who'd have caused just as much damage as a Hollow if left unchecked, there's enough reason for her acting out of orders that SS would let her go with just a warning.

I mean, it's tantamount to having to mess with a human soul to seal a Menos Grande away. Soul Society would consider it an acceptable loss and file it away.

So the 'SS banishes her' theory fails anyway. And the problem remains keeping her AWAY from Naruto without resorting to a gigantic shitty plot device, which as I said is something that usually makes fics fail and is made of much suckage.

Plot devices are bad.

Furthermore, if no one else was aware of Soi Fong's idenity as a Shinigami and she disappears close enough to the time of Kyuubi's attack (which would be logical, given how old Naruto was), for all Konoha knows she was killed in the fox's attack. The only one who would know, Yonny, would be dead. Thus Naruto wouldn't KNOW his mom abandoned him.

And again, pre-confrontation Soi Fong and post-confrontation Soi Fong are pretty different. The new Soi Fong might actually give a damn. Even Sasuke was less emo and actually decent before Itachi mindraped him, why not Soi Fong?

Typhonis · Jan 17, 2007

Soi Fong goes to Konoha, why, to find information on Orochimaru and where he has gone. Konoha was his place of residence and where the Edo Tensei was used last.

She penetrates security around the Hokage toiwer and rifles through the files to Orochimarus...then fins one on one Naruto Uzumaki.....

Mr. Mysterious · Jan 17, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

No, I'm not... I never implied there was a ton of rogue Shinigami wandering around. But we do know of a good number of them, if you want to get picky.

Ichigo had no association with Soul Society for quite some time.
Urahara has Shinigami powers, yet he was exiled.
Yoruichi has Shinigami powers, and she left Soul Society.
Aizen and his little group has Shinigami powers, and they're sure as hell no longer associated with Soul Society.
The Vizard have Shinigami powers, they're not associated with Soul Society.
The Arrancar have Shinigami powers, they're definitely not associated with Soul Society.

Being a Shinigami is a state of being that is achieved (Ichigo lost Rukia's powers, then gained his own), which can also be severed. Soul Society just likes to be pretentious little twits and count it as a rank, to show their superiority, as well.

Just because Soul Society doesn't recognize them as Shinigami, it doesn't mean that the universe and mystical forces don't.

GenocideHeart said:

Nice speculation, but that's all it is. She used to be a Shinigami... we know that for a fact. Assuming she's anything else, without proof, is just bad reasoning.

If you're talking about in the context of a story you're writing, that's one thing. But if you're arguing in the context of canon... it's just an interesting thought, but it really doesn't affect the argument.

Now if you suggested that Urahara, who comes up with some weird things, had come up with a way for her to transform into a cat... it at least has some basis in the show. Urahara is a genius when it comes to things dealing with the Shinigami, so there is some basis for it.

Yoruichi being a nekomata, on the other hand, has no reason to even be considered seriously.

And just because no one else has transformed into an animal, it doesn't mean they can't.

GenocideHeart said:

Bad logic. You're arguing on a lot of assumptions, here, with no evidence or logical reason to seriously consider them.

First, you assume that Yoruichi is a demon or a nekomata. No proof or reason to believe it.

Second, you assume that they couldn't tailor a seal to stop only one demon. No proof, and reason to believe against it thanks to Urahara.

GenocideHeart said:

Actually, I think there would be more than some. We're talking a society that has a gigantic potential for people to die with a great many regrets. Some is being overly generous, really...

GenocideHeart said:

Can you point out where that's stated? I don't remember anything like that.

I think that's how Orihime's barrier sort of is put into use (though not actually how it works), but they've used other barriers. Hitsugaya used a barrier that stopped things from getting in, but didn't really have much defense against them getting out... so that contradicts it, right there.

He created a barrier from the outside, that stops things from getting in. A version that does it based on dimension or reality shouldn't be impossible.

GenocideHeart said:

Depends... the Shiki Fujin has already been altered, so how it works is really up in the air. Altering it further, or just explaining it away like this, wouldn't be hard.

Example:
Yoruichi (or Soi Fong) taught it to the Yondaime as a way to help him understand sealing. It was a seal was from before Soul Society was formed, back when Shinigami were independent. The seal was used to summon a Shinigami to deal with the most heinous of souls, by locking them in unending punishment.

It was banned by Soul Society or even by the Creator who developed a sealing barrier or just made a law of the universe that any who respond to such a call will be locked out of whatever dimension it was used in for a minimum of <x> years.

Then just have the Yondaime have modified the seal just enough to forcibly summon a Shinigami and compel them to perform the ritual.

GenocideHeart said:

I didn't... dunno about everyone else, but the first mention I remember of it is the one I responded to from you. The only time I pointed it out is how you were being hypocritical about it...

Plot devices don't bother me much, as long as they make sense to me.

GenocideHeart said:

Right, because Soul Society has always been show to be forgiving of extenuating circumstances. <_<

GenocideHeart · Jan 17, 2007

Rukia's doesn't count as an extenuating circumstance. How she got wounded was her own damn fault, and then she went and did a strictly ILLEGAL thing on top of it. She really couldn't expect anything less than what she got, and was lucky they sent Byakuya to fetch her, as any other Shinigami would've just dragged her carcass back to SS.

SS has *strict* rules, but does bend them from time to time.

Then why don't the Shinigami put a permanent barrier around the living world that stops Arrancars and Hollows from getting in or even out of it?

Because they can't, that's why. Or they'd have done it long ago and solved the problem, by cuttin them off from either their food source or their safe retreat.

I'm sorry, but given what's known in Bleach, a barrier mantained from the outside that spans across DIMENSIONS and entirely seals them off is obviously not doable, or it'd have been done to lock Hollows out of Earth (a similar, internal barrier surrounds Soul Society, so you can't say a Hollow barrier isn't doable).

Byakua's is small and localized. You're talking sealing off an entire fricking dimension, which isn't exactly small. The amount of power it must require would be staggering.

Plot Device no Jutsu! What next, a Sharingan that makes things magically go a convenient way for the user? Oh, wait.

...seriously, you can make up an equally convenient excuse to have Soi Fong, Yoruichi, Rangiku or even Shiba be Naruto's mom. All you have to do is make shit up. But even that has its limits. Making it TOO convenien just looks like a very bad Deus Ex Machina. <_<

ttestagr · Jan 17, 2007

Indeed, even if the severity of Rukia's punishment was an abnormality due to Aizen, her being punished period would have been a normal event. And that was just for lending her power to a mortal to save said mortals and herself while killing a hollow. SS is not lenient, and they go strictly by the letter of the law (with the exception of a few shinigami.)

If Shiki Fujin was illegal, and she got caught she would be punished for it no matter what the circumstances were.

The idea of Yoruichi/Soi Fon teaching Yondaime a banned sealing technique just to help him understand sealing methods fails though. I can see them teaching it as a last resort (Yoruichi only, Soi Fon just wouldn't) only.

GenocideHeart · Jan 17, 2007

ttestagr said:

Correct.

On the otehr hand, Yoruichi's only fault would have been to be weak from childbirth JUST when a giant rampaging demon of death and destruction rained on a defenseless village. Given how many unneeded deaths she should have prevented, and how she stopped what is quite possibly a very dangerous supernatural creature with a minimal price to pay (just one soul, which was sadly necessary for it to work), however illegally, hers are actually extenuating circumstances, and unless Aizen pulls some shit (in which case you KNOW he'd push to have her executed like Rukia), I can see SS letting her off the hook, in no small part because despite her leaving, she's a very important figure in SS.

Of course, they could also have asked her to return to her post in exchange (fair enough since she'd be let off easy), but that doesn't justify her not showing up for over a decade. Especially since a world with such a powerful demon would have to be monitored, and who better to do it than someone who already confronted said demon?

So yeah... unless you hae Aizen conveniently pull shit, it's more likely Yoru will be let off easy, due to the circumstances. In Rukia's case, they weren't enough. But getting a whole village out of trouble is on another level.

GenocideHeart · Jan 17, 2007

Eh, I'm going to sleep. This discussion is getting nowhere. Both sides have good points, and it's a toss up really, as both ideas have a fair number of holes in them that make them both shaky to an extent.

At this poin it'd be easier to cross it over by having Grimmjow fokking Jaggerjack be Naruto's dad. Arrancar don't follow rules OR care about what SS says and can't really be stopped through most means, as showed when Grimmjow and his buddies broke into SS like it had a welcome doormat at its front door.

The Yondaime being Naruto's dad is horrifically overused. It's rare to see changes to that, it's always Yondaime. Why not try that spin?

EDIT: and I fucking hate my keyboard.

Mr. Mysterious · Jan 17, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

She transferred Shinigami powers to someone who already had inactive Shinigami powers, she did it to save lives (which SS supposedly holds sacred), and she was going to be executed for it.

Not to mention that she didn't intend to let him keep the powers, and Urahara actually tricked her to stop that from happening.

That's extenuating circumstances, all the fucking way around. Period.

Should she have been punished for breaking the law? Yes. Should the circumstances have been considered, while deciding said punishment? Yes.

GenocideHeart said:

Let's think about it. They don't seem to have the power to stop the Arrancar or the Menos Grande, which take more than one Shinigami to deal with (aside from a freak like Ichigo).

So they put the barrier up stopping things from going in, and whenever an Arrancar or Menos Grande decides to go for a visit it comes crashing down around their fucking ears. Putting them up is a waste of power... they may stop a few hollows, but they'd also be forcing a lot of hollows into confined spaces.

How are Menos Grande made, again? Oh, right... by piling a bunch of fucking Hollows in a confined space!

Now, why don't they lock Hollows in. Let's think about this... confine Hollows to the plan where their food source is plentiful, when they might leave and stay away for a while.

Right, let's get that barrier up right now! <_<

GenocideHeart said:

No, it's because doing it doesn't make any sense. One way is a waste of power and creates a ton of Menos Grande to deal with. The other locks the wolf in with the sheep.

Locking a Shinigami out, on the other hand, is a lot simpler to do... unless they're Ichigo.

GenocideHeart said:

No, it's doable. It just doesn't make sense over an entire dimension. Soul Society is a small space, and is the base of the Shinigami. Protecting it is paramount.

It doesn't put Hollows where they have an increased chance of merging into Menos Grande and it doesn't lock them in with their food.

GenocideHeart said:

Which is why it doesn't make sense to try to lock Hollows into Hueco Mundo. You just create a bunch of Menos Grande, they shatter the barrier, and you have a worse threat on your hands.

GenocideHeart said:

If you want to bitch about Plot Devices, start at the source with the altered Shiki Fujin.

I've already made clear, I don't have a problem with them if they make sense. As long as it is logical, I'm fairly alright with it.

GenocideHeart said:

How is it too convenient? There being a law against pitting two souls, one of whom is likely to be undeserving of such a fate, in eternal battle isn't convenient. It's logical, as an attempt to prevent the torment of an undeserving soul.

Having a barrier that bans any Shinigami who responds to such a call, which is likely to be due to personal attachment, desire for power, or just a cruel streak isn't convenient. It's logical, as an attempt to prevent a Shinigami from doing what Aizen did.

And like I said... if you want to bitch about convenience and plot devices... start at the source.

GenocideHeart · Jan 17, 2007

Mr. Mysterious said:

And why not confine the Hollows in the inbetween space that they usually skulk in? Y'know, the one between Soul Society and the living world, where, y'know... there's NO FOOD for them. Or humans they can be born from. They can survive with no mask there, but that's it.

The ones in the human world would be dealt with a lot more easily if they couldn't RUN OFF IN THAT F'N SPACE whenever a marginally powerful Shinigami threatens them. That's how long Grand Fisher and the others survived.

Cut their escape route off, then brutally crush the new ones that are born in the human world. There's still going to be a lot of Hollows in the breach, but if they go Menos Grande and break through, the Shinigami can just dogpile it and destroy them all in one go, and individually, the Hollows cannot get through, so that's not an issue.

And if you can make a barrier tailor made to stop a single specific person from waltzing around (which I imagine takles a lot more power than a generic one, since you need to finetune it), you can sure as hell make one to stop the Hollows from getting IN the Human World, and just kill the new ones that pop up. Without the ones from the breach mucking things up, it'll be more manageable.

But the SS higher ups apparently lack the common sense to do what any strategist worth his salt would do, and cut off the enemy's reinforcement and retreat routes.

Or, as I said, they CAN'T, in which case I'm still right.

Pick your poison, they are too moronic to do it, or they can't do it. In either case, they fail to be smart. I'd go with option 2, because Hitsugaya has shown he actually has a brain.

Mr. Mysterious · Jan 17, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

They become a Menos, shatter the barrier, and then they... I've already gone over this. Doing this creates bigger threats, which they had to create specialized strike teams to deal with.

I was mistaken about one thing, however. I've been referring to Menos Grande, when I meant Menos in general. The Grande are actually the weakest, and Hitsugaya claimed that ten Vasto Lorde Menos could defeat all of Soul Society.

Lumping them together, so they have the chance to grow into Menos of any kind is stupid. Taking the chance on creating Vasto Lorde of mass numbers is just plain suicidal.

They might get lucky and only have to deal with a Menos Grande or an Adjuchas Menos every once in a while... but would you want to take the chance of creating enough Vasto Lorde's that they start venturing out of Hueco Mundo?

GenocideHeart said:

I think I need clarification on what you mean here, because as it's written it doesn't make any sense.

Stop the Hollows from being born by... trapping the ones that don't exist? Um... huh? If they're able to be trapped, they were already born, right? Otherwise, I'm missing your point.

GenocideHeart said:

It seems that the majority of Hollows only come to Earth to feed, once they can leave... otherwise there should be a lot more Hollows around. Locking them in just invites a rampage, considering the kind of numbers they could achieve if the barrier was one way.

Considering their potential numbers, the fact that it would invite pointless rampages, that after a point it'd start forming Menos' on Earth, that a Menos could simply come over and do whatever and then shatter the barrier on its way out...

Putting up a Hollow barrier over an entire dimension is just a stupid plan. It's just a waste of power, and it creates more problems than it solves.

If you want a solution for Hollows running away, give the Shinigami barrier generators to keep Hollows from escaping. That's small area and keeps them from running. It solves the problem of cowardly Hollows getting away, and it doesn't make more problems.

Plus, I just don't think the Shinigami have the numbers to deal with all the Hollows.

Jakkun · Jan 17, 2007

Are we done debating the topic to the point that it is impossible for either of them to work yet?

perfect_solider · Jan 17, 2007

I admit that would be and interesting spin on things....fuck if you want to get really creative with this why not make the fourth female as well? i mean if you still want to give naruto the hirashin no jutsu... :huh.:

dman now this topic really has me thinking....why not make naruto the product of a vastro lorde and whomever?

perfect_solider · Jan 17, 2007

I know its highly unlikely....but either Azien or commander General as Naruto's father? I mean I've seen fics with one manipulative evil bastard Orochimaru as his father...why not Azien? another evil bastard with delusions of being GOD? :huh.: I mean in the fic of foxes and snakes kabuto resents naruto heavily for being orochimaru's favorite (and only) grandson...I wonder if Azien's (lackies) would resent naruto as much? though he himself would more than likely be intrested in the fox and how he could use it for his purposes...and as for commander general...I have no real Idea how to work with that at the moment.... :huh.:

zeebee1 · Jan 17, 2007

I have it. Naruto is the son of Ichimaru and Matsumoto. That explains his hiar and his grin. Aizen fearful that a child could have swayed Ichimaru fooled everyone into thinking there was no child through Naruto into another dimension. There, problem solved.

SoftRogue · Jan 17, 2007

Jakkun said:

:sweat: You know, I really hate being in what is apparently a compleatly different timezone from most of you. I can't even partisapate in a debate because by the time I get home, so many things have been discussed it's difficult to keep track. :sweat:

Let me throw out a couple points here.

Actually, in both versions they both stated that it was the 4th that would have liked Hinata. Yoruichi would most likely like her as well while Soi Fong would have most likely seen her as an easy mark; especally since she's already inflitraded ANBU headquaters and knows the current 'who's who' of Konoha and that there is some sort of connection between Hinata and Naruto.

Actually, concidering that Soi Fong is in her Shinigami garb implies that she isn't in a gigai. Rock Lee does have charka coils; but their messed up to the point that he can do only do extreamly basic things, and only after a lot of hard work. In otherwords, at this point he is like pre-Soul Society Chad; he can't see what's there but he can still kick it's ass.

(Oh btw ttestag, you are somewhat right. The setup for both ideas are identical; however I wrote the Soi Fong sceen first :sweat: )

As for the Shiki Fujin and the Kyuubi...

In my idea, the Bijuu cannot be destroyed; they are a part of the natural order of things. (nine worlds; nine different 'tailed beasts' with number of tails ranging from one to nine; ect.). To destoy one of the 9 Bijuu in any of the worlds would upset the balance of that worlds existance. Normally; having to deal with such a creature going on a rampage unnesscary seeing that the Bjiuu are benign. However, something is wrong in the Naruto world...

Which leads to the Shiki Fujin. While both Soi Fong and Yoruichi could both most likely put the smackdown on the Kyuubi; neither one would run the risk of accidently killing a literal force of nature and destroying the balance of things. Sealing it into someone however...

But the use of the Shiki Fujin has a price. It isn't illeagle; but it's old, out-dated, and inefficient. By how their life force to preform the ritual sealing; a small resonace is created in their life force that puts them out of 'synch' with the world they are in; resulting the in fact that they cannot travel to that world untill that resonace dissapates. In the 'olden days' before the Goeti 13 was formed it didn't matter since the Shinigami still had other worlds they could work in. And besides since then better options have become avaiable.

(as to why the other options werent used...Yourichi doesn't have acces to the 'offical' connections to use them (and didn't have time to get them from Urahara) while Soi Fong has been treading a very fine line with her interactions with the Yondaime and by using her 'offical' connections would have resulted in people in SS finding out that she was interfearing in something she wasn't suppost to.)

Thinking about it, I should change how I presented this paticular idea. While the ritual (aka jutsu) would summon a Shinigami, he or she isn't required to compleat the sealing. In this fic, when the Sandaime used the Shiki Fujin and Shunsui arrived (in case you didn't pick up on the clues I wrote) he preformed it on Shodai and the Nidaime (as he reconised them as being already dead) and what resulted was an old style Soul Burial. When it came to Orochimaru, however, he refused to remove the Snake Bastards spirit (since he was still among the living); but still allowed the Sandaime to remove his 'arms' as punishment for his little piece of necromancy.

Finally, I was indeed planing to work several flashbacks into this fic to explain the relationship with the Yondaime.

Naruto Untitled Naruto Crossover

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member