Bleach Vasto Lord
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Well we dont know if they're all adjuchas, but I think the top three espada are recent additions? All formed with the orb after Aizen stole it?
It isn't mentioned if their Adjuchas or Vasto Lorde so there's a possibility that one of them was a Vasto Lorde, we wont know until its brought up which is doubtful at this rate (unless stark does a monologue and gains a back story due to popularity).
But to answer the OP's question, noone's been named a Vasto Lorde to date, so we can presume that none have been introduced as of yet.
They're not a level above the Arrancar, they're a level about the Adjuchas. One Vasto Lorde is supposedly insanely powerful, roughly above captain level, below/equal to Aizen level (who is presumably double captain level).
I'd say the top 4 espada are in and around Vasto Lorde territory.. just cause of the retardedness of Ulquiorras power level.
Grimmjaw knew he was approaching VL level, but got turned as an Adjuchas and Ichigo pwned him once he gained heroic resolve. On the other hand, Ulquiorra is so far above Grimmjaw that Ichigo couldnt even land a hit. Stands to reason that the top 4 are around VL in power.
It isn't mentioned if their Adjuchas or Vasto Lorde so there's a possibility that one of them was a Vasto Lorde, we wont know until its brought up which is doubtful at this rate (unless stark does a monologue and gains a back story due to popularity).
But to answer the OP's question, noone's been named a Vasto Lorde to date, so we can presume that none have been introduced as of yet.
They're not a level above the Arrancar, they're a level about the Adjuchas. One Vasto Lorde is supposedly insanely powerful, roughly above captain level, below/equal to Aizen level (who is presumably double captain level).
I'd say the top 4 espada are in and around Vasto Lorde territory.. just cause of the retardedness of Ulquiorras power level.
Grimmjaw knew he was approaching VL level, but got turned as an Adjuchas and Ichigo pwned him once he gained heroic resolve. On the other hand, Ulquiorra is so far above Grimmjaw that Ichigo couldnt even land a hit. Stands to reason that the top 4 are around VL in power.
Hmmmm... I see. Ichigo's recent transformation prompted this question. He looks a lot like the shadowed Vasto Lorde I saw in the anime due to the shape of his head.
New question: What is he?
I don't think any of the other Vizards can "transform" like Ichigo did. Maybe its because of how he was "turned"? All the others went through, I would say, Artificial Hollowfication through Aizen. While Ichigo, somehow, became a Hollow then a Shinigami... which is kinda confusing now that I think about it. I also don't think that Shinji Hirako and the others are able to go past, or seen go past, the normal Vizard form. (Just wearing their Hollow masks).
New question: What is he?
I don't think any of the other Vizards can "transform" like Ichigo did. Maybe its because of how he was "turned"? All the others went through, I would say, Artificial Hollowfication through Aizen. While Ichigo, somehow, became a Hollow then a Shinigami... which is kinda confusing now that I think about it. I also don't think that Shinji Hirako and the others are able to go past, or seen go past, the normal Vizard form. (Just wearing their Hollow masks).
Given his appearance before his transformation, obscured as it was, it's entirely possible Wonderwies was a Vastro, though that's unconfirmed as of yet and we've seen some Adjuchas with humanoid shapes, just majorly distorted in the process (That fraccion Hitsugaya faught). I'm not quite sure if Barragon would qualify either, given his appearance is very human shaped, just lacking flesh, but given he loses to Starrk and Yammi in strength, the later of which isn't even close to human, I'm starting to doubt it.
There is a comment in a previous issue that could be considered as Aizen stating that he does have a few Vasto Lorde on his side. I mentioned it in a link a couple months back.
Found it
http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction...topic=11094&hl=
Found it
http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction...topic=11094&hl=
That's just a thread where a bunch of people speculate. No one provided any sauce of any kind.
Hit said that if Aizen had ten Vasto Lorde Arrancar, then Soul Society would stand no chance. At no point has anyone stated anywhere that Aizen has even one Vasto Lorde on his side, and the one time Aizen himself mentions it, his wording makes it sound as though he's still trying to find the Vasto Lorde, and that it's an ongoing project. He doesn't seem to have any on his side yet.
A Vaizard. And if you're referring to what he turned into to kick the shit out of Ulq: a superhollow.
Yeah they can. Aizen explained all this way back when, when he first saw Ichigo use the mask in Soul Society. Under the proper circumstances, a Shinigami can turn into a Hollow, and a Hollow can turn into a Shinigami. When this happens, the individual who turned becomes exponentially more powerful by entire orders of magnitude, and 'attains a power that is beyond what [a natural version of what they turned into] can wield.'
That is to say, a Hollow that turns completely into a Shinigami will become a supershinigami, and be far more powerful than any normal Shinigami. The reverse is true for Shinigami, as any Shinigami that turns completely into a Hollow will become a superhollow, and be far more powerful than any normal Hollow.
The Vaizard and the Arrancar are all incomplete, because none of them have (to our knowledge) fallen totally to the other side. Stark may have fallen (or at least come really, really close) given his powers, and it's pratically a given that Ichigo fell during his fight with Ulq.
Now, what we don't know is if becoming a supershinigami or a superhollow is a permanant transformation, or if it's just a massive, massive powerup to the individual's opposing side's abilities.
If it's a permanant transformation, then we likely haven't seen a genuine version of a supershinigami or a superhollow. But if it's just Ressureccion/Mask<sup>10</sup>, then both Stark and Ichigo are potential candidates for supershinigami and superhollow, respectively.
It'll be interesting to see what happens the next time Ichigo tries to put on his mask. If I'm right, then the mask may turn him into a superhollow now, just like how Stark's Ressureccion might be turning him into a supershinigami.
Hit said that if Aizen had ten Vasto Lorde Arrancar, then Soul Society would stand no chance. At no point has anyone stated anywhere that Aizen has even one Vasto Lorde on his side, and the one time Aizen himself mentions it, his wording makes it sound as though he's still trying to find the Vasto Lorde, and that it's an ongoing project. He doesn't seem to have any on his side yet.
A Vaizard. And if you're referring to what he turned into to kick the shit out of Ulq: a superhollow.
Yeah they can. Aizen explained all this way back when, when he first saw Ichigo use the mask in Soul Society. Under the proper circumstances, a Shinigami can turn into a Hollow, and a Hollow can turn into a Shinigami. When this happens, the individual who turned becomes exponentially more powerful by entire orders of magnitude, and 'attains a power that is beyond what [a natural version of what they turned into] can wield.'
That is to say, a Hollow that turns completely into a Shinigami will become a supershinigami, and be far more powerful than any normal Shinigami. The reverse is true for Shinigami, as any Shinigami that turns completely into a Hollow will become a superhollow, and be far more powerful than any normal Hollow.
The Vaizard and the Arrancar are all incomplete, because none of them have (to our knowledge) fallen totally to the other side. Stark may have fallen (or at least come really, really close) given his powers, and it's pratically a given that Ichigo fell during his fight with Ulq.
Now, what we don't know is if becoming a supershinigami or a superhollow is a permanant transformation, or if it's just a massive, massive powerup to the individual's opposing side's abilities.
If it's a permanant transformation, then we likely haven't seen a genuine version of a supershinigami or a superhollow. But if it's just Ressureccion/Mask<sup>10</sup>, then both Stark and Ichigo are potential candidates for supershinigami and superhollow, respectively.
It'll be interesting to see what happens the next time Ichigo tries to put on his mask. If I'm right, then the mask may turn him into a superhollow now, just like how Stark's Ressureccion might be turning him into a supershinigami.
Actually, near the bottom, I did provide the quote from the issue of Shonen Jump I was referring to. The quote being " They were only Gillians. Once we've assembled enough Vasto Lordes and the Espadas are complete no one will be able to stop us."
Enough makes it sound like he already has some. Again, its not outright stated, but it does bring up the possibility.
Enough makes it sound like he already has some. Again, its not outright stated, but it does bring up the possibility.
Actually, when reading volume 24-25 (the chapter where Hitsugaya was explaining the verious levels of hollows/espada), the shadowed form used in the panel talking about adjuchas looked a lot like Yammy (the one who came with Ulquiorra). The Vasto Lorde shadow looked like Ulquiorra. I always thought Ulquiorra was a Vasto Lorde.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
I remember there being speculation that since Ichigo's Zanpakuto is essentially Hichigo now that him using it to slice hollows and stuff is essentially it biting and eating pieces of the hollows.
This could mean that Hichigo managed to become a Menos Grande in that fashion and thus could indeed be a Vasto Lord in that sense.
Of course this is just largely speculation. But I mean it kind of has to be speculation at this time. Kind of like the speculation surrounding the holes for Neriel and Halibel.
This could mean that Hichigo managed to become a Menos Grande in that fashion and thus could indeed be a Vasto Lord in that sense.
Of course this is just largely speculation. But I mean it kind of has to be speculation at this time. Kind of like the speculation surrounding the holes for Neriel and Halibel.
I believe I was the one who brought that bit of speculation into the previous argument. Given how Ichigo gained his own powers and that both the Hollow and Zanpakuto are pretty much the same thing, it could be possible. Though Ichigo hasn't 'killed' thousands of hollows, he has been cutting into Arrancar. It was shown that just the little bite (mouthful but Grimmjaw was small compared to others) that Grimmjaw took as an Adjuchas was enough to keep D-Roy from ever having a chance at reaching Vasto Lord so sword wounds could possibly count. While in Hueco Mundo, Ichigo's Hollow strength has had huge increases the more hollows he's been fighting. While in Soul Society, his shinigami strength was making big increases the more shinigami he fought.
Problem with that particular brand of logic is the random power boost to his hollow form that he got after fighting Ulquilorra. Note Ichigo wasn't even able to touch him in that fight, and full force Vizard Empowered Getsuuga didn't even leave a scratch. More likely the source of the power boost is that the longer you stay in Hueco Mundo, the more Hollow like abilities seem to be empowered (On top of spiritual). Hence, Chad. Though that's just trying to add logic to it, as frankly it's more likely to be standard shonen fare.
Though I certainly hope that theory for his OTHER formboost in that last fight turns out to be true, as that would be less grating. Least Orihime was suggested to be able to do something along those lines beforehand afterall...
Though I certainly hope that theory for his OTHER formboost in that last fight turns out to be true, as that would be less grating. Least Orihime was suggested to be able to do something along those lines beforehand afterall...
Actually, Ichigo did cut Ulquiorra once.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/341/11/
A small cut that barely got through Hierro. Still drew blood though. That was before he got masked as well.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/341/11/
A small cut that barely got through Hierro. Still drew blood though. That was before he got masked as well.
Gah, meant the boost he got before the Grimmjaw fight, when his time limit suddenly stopped being an issue entirely out of nowhere (The one with his new form likely was Orihime's doing if ANY LOGIC OR FORESHADOWING AT ALL is going to be applied to it). Should have specified there. In that one even Ichigo's Vizard empowered Getsuuga couldn't manage to harm him.
No he isn't. Or if he is, that wasn't when he died. If he's died at all, it was just now in his fight with Ulq.
I point you to the fact that Aizen addresses Ichigo seperately from the crowd of Shinigami. In a manner similar to how one says "ladies and gentlemen," he says "farewell Shinigami," but then explicetly says farewell to Ichigo as well, calling him "human."
Ichigo is blatently singled-out as being a human, not a Shinigami. So we know he was a human at least up until that point.
I point you to the fact that Aizen addresses Ichigo seperately from the crowd of Shinigami. In a manner similar to how one says "ladies and gentlemen," he says "farewell Shinigami," but then explicetly says farewell to Ichigo as well, calling him "human."
Ichigo is blatently singled-out as being a human, not a Shinigami. So we know he was a human at least up until that point.