WTF! Comics?

mario_zx

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The problem isn't really the crackdown as it is that a hero killing a villain is viewed by everyone as jumping off the slippery slope. Which I find kinda hypocritical since heroes are so willing to let villains live and commit more crimes killing more people as long as they have the "moral high-ground". Although to be perfectly fair the civilians of the DC universe do share some of the blame since after all the times the Joker has been brought in and they have not given him the death penalty why, I mean after a certain point you stop being an evil human and are just a monster that needs to be put down.
 

TC_Hazard

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mario_zx said:
The problem isn't really the crackdown as it is that a hero killing a villain is viewed by everyone as jumping off the slippery slope. Which I find kinda hypocritical since heroes are so willing to let villains live and commit more crimes killing more people as long as they have the "moral high-ground". Although to be perfectly fair the civilians of the DC universe do share some of the blame since after all the times the Joker has been brought in and they have not given him the death penalty why, I mean after a certain point you stop being an evil human and are just a monster that needs to be put down.
Or if jails actually did what they are supposed to and kept the bad guys in, the whole killing issue wouldn't even be raised. Problem is jails are revolving doors in DC and Marvel.

It's a flaw of the medium more than the actual characters to be honest.
 

shinzero01

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TC_Hazard said:
mario_zx said:
The problem isn't really the crackdown as it is that a hero killing a villain is viewed by everyone as jumping off the slippery slope. Which I find kinda hypocritical since heroes are so willing to let villains live and commit more crimes killing more people as long as they have the "moral high-ground". Although to be perfectly fair the civilians of the DC universe do share some of the blame since after all the times the Joker has been brought in and they have not given him the death penalty why, I mean after a certain point you stop being an evil human and are just a monster that needs to be put down.
Or if jails actually did what they are supposed to and kept the bad guys in, the whole killing issue wouldn't even be raised. Problem is jails are revolving doors in DC and Marvel.

It's a flaw of the medium more than the actual characters to be honest.
Note: Arkham is an insane Asylum, I believe Blackgate is Gotham's prison.
The worst part about Batman in general is that his presence has turned the Gotham police into people that just put yellow tape out and draw chalk outlines.
 

goldenarms

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Flamewolf said:
until batman kills him, directly or refusing to save him, the joker will not stay dead for long
It's probably just a body double anyway.

Unless Joker found a trio of goddesses statues and decided to move them about.
 

Light02

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great sounds like DC is doing a god damn civil war didn't they watch how bad Marvel's flopped
 

shinzero01

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Light02 said:
great sounds like DC is doing a god damn civil war didn't they watch how bad Marvel's flopped
Its for the upcoming video game. A fighting game by the makers of Mortal Kombat. Not actually part of the mainline canon.
 

Prince Charon

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burnerx7 said:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qYDCgw4SMk' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The new regimen</a>

Still don't get the whole story but it boils down to the Joker destroying Metropolis, killing Jimmy Olsen and making Superman kill Loise and his unborn child.

Superman has had enough of super villains so he started a new regimen where heroes kill the villains:

Supes, Wonder Woman and Hall Jordan are in the New Regimen

Batman leads a resistance together with Luthor and most of the "gadget heroes" also Flash is with them

And Joker is alive in the game... somehow
Hal is in the New Order. Sinestro would be so proud of his student.

Mind you, it's a fighting game, so outside of the cinematics, there probably are no sides. It's interesting that in the cinematics, Harley Quinn appears to be working for the Bat.

Also, Batman and Catwoman appear to have super strength, in the trailers, though I'm not sure if that's a game engine artifact.
 

shinzero01

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Prince Charon said:
burnerx7 said:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qYDCgw4SMk' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The new regimen</a>

Still don't get the whole story but it boils down to the Joker destroying Metropolis, killing Jimmy Olsen and making Superman kill Loise and his unborn child.

Superman has had enough of super villains so he started a new regimen where heroes kill the villains:

Supes, Wonder Woman and Hall Jordan are in the New Regimen

Batman leads a resistance together with Luthor and most of the "gadget heroes" also Flash is with them

And Joker is alive in the game... somehow
Hal is in the New Order. Sinestro would be so proud of his student.

Mind you, it's a fighting game, so outside of the cinematics, there probably are no sides. It's interesting that in the cinematics, Harley Quinn appears to be working for the Bat.

Also, Batman and Catwoman appear to have super strength, in the trailers, though I'm not sure if that's a game engine artifact.
Power armor.
 

Prince Charon

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shinzero01 said:
Prince Charon said:
burnerx7 said:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qYDCgw4SMk' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The new regimen</a>

Still don't get the whole story but it boils down to the Joker destroying Metropolis, killing Jimmy Olsen and making Superman kill Loise and his unborn child.

Superman has had enough of super villains so he started a new regimen where heroes kill the villains:

Supes, Wonder Woman and Hall Jordan are in the New Regimen

Batman leads a resistance together with Luthor and most of the "gadget heroes" also Flash is with them

And Joker is alive in the game... somehow
Hal is in the New Order. Sinestro would be so proud of his student.

Mind you, it's a fighting game, so outside of the cinematics, there probably are no sides. It's interesting that in the cinematics, Harley Quinn appears to be working for the Bat.

Also, Batman and Catwoman appear to have super strength, in the trailers, though I'm not sure if that's a game engine artifact.
Power armor.
So it appears, but Catwoman's armour leaves her arms partially bare.
 
Prince Charon said:
burnerx7 said:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qYDCgw4SMk' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The new regimen</a>

Still don't get the whole story but it boils down to the Joker destroying Metropolis, killing Jimmy Olsen and making Superman kill Loise and his unborn child.

Superman has had enough of super villains so he started a new regimen where heroes kill the villains:

Supes, Wonder Woman and Hall Jordan are in the New Regimen

Batman leads a resistance together with Luthor and most of the "gadget heroes" also Flash is with them

And Joker is alive in the game... somehow
Hal is in the New Order. Sinestro would be so proud of his student.
Eh, I dunno how to feel about that. On one hand; Hal is someone who isn't interested in control over others and is all about freedom from control.

On the other, he's embodied as an unbreakable man with noble goals, and provided it's handled that way, with Hal coming to a decision by himself without going crazy/brainwashed/mind-controlled/tricked/forced/stricken by grief to make these choices and going to great lengths to bring about change in the world, it wouldn't really be that contradictory for his character.
 

TC_Hazard

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And so the Illuminati rip away the guy that acted as their conscience.

This is going to end up horribly.

Even if Hickman ends up presenting no repercussions of this due to some bizarre reason there is no way some other writer isn't going to pick this up later down the line.

(Context for those that care about that: Big threat incoming. Infinity Gauntlet broke. The greatest minds of earth are deciding whether to build a universe destroying machine. Cap's against it. Big discussion happens. The above happens)
 

GenocideHeart

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This is going to end about as well as exiling Hulk did. Apparently, Hulk didn't beat them ENOUGH into paste last time.

I motion for throwing the lot of them in a locked, inescapable room with The Fury and watching how long they last.
 
And I'm surprised Black Panther isn't trying to rip Namor's throat out any more, what with the whole leading a genocidal rampage against Wakanda and all that.
 

TC_Hazard

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Preventer Squall said:
And I'm surprised Black Panther isn't trying to rip Namor's throat out any more, what with the whole leading a genocidal rampage against Wakanda and all that.
They are currently in a truce, but BP has made it clear he is going after him after it is all over IIRC.
 

shinzero01

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So who's talking in the last few panels? Cap?
Now to figure out how World War Cap would work... Maybe an arc where he armors up and takes each one of them down after revealing how manipulative they are?
 
Actually, I see World War Cap being almost as scary then the Hulk. With the green behemoth, he was just a force of rage they couldn't hope to slow down. Cap would be the sneakiest sonovabitch you can imagine, or using tech that'd make him as big a nasty as the Hulk had been.
 

GenocideHeart

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Preventer Squall said:
Actually, I see World War Cap being almost as scary then the Hulk. With the green behemoth, he was just a force of rage they couldn't hope to slow down. Cap would be the sneakiest sonovabitch you can imagine, or using tech that'd make him as big a nasty as the Hulk had been.
Or he just recruits Captain Britain and Captain Universe to create the Cap Corps. :snigger:
 

jaredstar

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when did this start to happen when did the word hero start to mean villain with better press
 

TC_Hazard

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Cap Corps... I would read it.

shinzero01 said:
So who's talking in the last few panels? Cap?
Now to figure out how World War Cap would work... Maybe an arc where he armors up and takes each one of them down after revealing how manipulative they are?
Pretty sure it is Cap calling them out on the fact that they think they can actually control the situation.

Sidenote, Beast seems to be all 'What the hell did I get myself into?' while Tony seems to genuinely regret the whole thing. The others... not so much.
 

Lord Raine

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shinzero01 said:
So who's talking in the last few panels? Cap?
Now to figure out how World War Cap would work... Maybe an arc where he armors up and takes each one of them down after revealing how manipulative they are?
"How would that work?"

Captain America goes to Tony with the truth, not knowing that Tony is a member of the Illuminati. Tony, feeling regret, makes him a set of power armor. No holding back, balls out. Missile launchers, flame throwers, repulsors, needle darts, force fields, a built-in combat AI. Maybe pull some strings and scrounge up a few bits of Vibranium or Adamantium to make a blade of some sort, like a retractable wrist-mounted shortsword.

Captain America puts on the suit. One super soldier program wanted to make the best super soldier through augmented flesh, the other wanted to do it through technology. Now the Cap is both. Cue everybody getting their asses kicked.


Or alternately, if you want to keep Iron Man a dick, Cap just steals a suit from him. It's not like he doesn't have a dozen of them lying around.
 

ragnarok1337

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Lord Raine said:
Or alternately, if you want to keep Iron Man a dick, Cap just steals a suit from him. It's not like he doesn't have a dozen of them lying around.
Then gets Peter to disable any of Tony's failsafes, because he did that with his own Spider Armor during Civil War. One of Peter Parker's more badass moments, showing that he's one of the top minds in the Marvel universe, and could probably outclass most of the others in that department if he had the resources and time the others do.
 

shinzero01

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Actually turning to Peter now means he's also turning to Otto Parker. Keep in mind that Peter did the power armor thing at least twice not including the Iron Man suit. The current Spider-man would likely design armor that is psychic proof, magic proof, and includes some nasty surprises.
 

mario_zx

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jaredstar said:
when did this start to happená when did the word hero start to mean villain with better press
When Marvel decided that being more realistic meant make everyone into retarded jackasses, although considering the level of stupidity that people in Marvel show that might be an insult to retarded jackasses everywhere.
 
TC_Hazard said:
And so the Illuminati rip away the guy that acted as their conscience.

This is going to end up horribly.

Even if Hickman ends up presenting no repercussions of this due to some bizarre reason there is no way some other writer isn't going to pick this up later down the line.

(Context for those that care about that: Big threat incoming. Infinity Gauntlet broke. The greatest minds of earth are deciding whether to build a universe destroying machine. Cap's against it. Big discussion happens. The above happens)
When did these guys become Sidereals?
 

byakuryuu

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shinzero01 said:
So who's talking in the last few panels? Cap?
Now to figure out how World War Cap would work... Maybe an arc where he armors up and takes each one of them down after revealing how manipulative they are?
I'd settle for him tearing JUST Reed a new one. For some reason for all the crap he does Marvel gives minimal repercussions.
 
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