WTF! Comics?
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In the film Tim Drake either shot him in the heart with a Flag-gun or he was electrocuted by his own torture equipment due to Drake.
Mcguiness 'killed' him again by frying him with his own joy-buzzer.
Didn't they run a comic where some 'new' hero killed the Joker which somehow caused a horrible dystopia because apparently killing the freaking Joker means that they've 'gone too far!' or something stupid like that?
Mcguiness 'killed' him again by frying him with his own joy-buzzer.
Didn't they run a comic where some 'new' hero killed the Joker which somehow caused a horrible dystopia because apparently killing the freaking Joker means that they've 'gone too far!' or something stupid like that?
What jury? I haven't seen a SINGLE trial in Gotham, period. All dangerous criminals get thrown in Arkham, no questions asked. And keep in mind it's not just supervillains, it's also common murderers and rapists that go in there. It's what the rest of the inmates are. 'Asylum' is a misleading definition in this case.
Most of the goons in there also work for the Joker, by the way. Have fun being shanked in jail because you killed those guys' main source of money.
There's at least one instance of an average joe in the Batman comics who got sent to Arkham because he OPENED FIRE ON A BUNCH OF GOONS first in revenge for them killing someone close to him, by the way. So there's a precedent for this.
Bottom line, if you kill him you get thrown in company of nice guys like, among others, Zsasz (who is like 150 times worse than Joker - even Joker thinks Zsasz is too dangerous for his tastes, and that says a lot), Killer Croc and the Scarecrow... I don't know about you, but I'd rather have the Joker messing with Batman in Gotham than be anywhere within range of Zsasz. He scares me a whole lot more.
Most of the goons in there also work for the Joker, by the way. Have fun being shanked in jail because you killed those guys' main source of money.
There's at least one instance of an average joe in the Batman comics who got sent to Arkham because he OPENED FIRE ON A BUNCH OF GOONS first in revenge for them killing someone close to him, by the way. So there's a precedent for this.
Bottom line, if you kill him you get thrown in company of nice guys like, among others, Zsasz (who is like 150 times worse than Joker - even Joker thinks Zsasz is too dangerous for his tastes, and that says a lot), Killer Croc and the Scarecrow... I don't know about you, but I'd rather have the Joker messing with Batman in Gotham than be anywhere within range of Zsasz. He scares me a whole lot more.
That was Kingdom Come.
And @GH: Wow you are fanboying over the Joker without apparently knowing the source.
1. There are trials, you just see Batman taking the super criminals to Arkham because it acts as a holding for them before the trial, and because it is more badass.
2. Like it was stated before there is an actual prison named Blackgate prison, it is where those like the Clue master and other non-insane inmates go. And yes there are a few superpowered inmates there (There was a Russian with super-strength in it during No-Man's Land) and if I remember right that was the place they were taking Bane after Azriel captured him.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You act as if Joker is this great and powerful master criminal who has the whole of Gothams underworld in his pocket and that just isn't true. While the Joker has bullied/threatened some criminals into permanently working for him, and he does have a gang that he works with the first is only as loyal as it takes for joker to not kill them (as seen in the Joker graphic novel) and the second usually changes each appearance that the Joker makes.
Point is that while the joker does have some minions almost all aren't loyal and they certainly not enough that there will be instant retaliation anywhere you go.
And @GH: Wow you are fanboying over the Joker without apparently knowing the source.
1. There are trials, you just see Batman taking the super criminals to Arkham because it acts as a holding for them before the trial, and because it is more badass.
2. Like it was stated before there is an actual prison named Blackgate prison, it is where those like the Clue master and other non-insane inmates go. And yes there are a few superpowered inmates there (There was a Russian with super-strength in it during No-Man's Land) and if I remember right that was the place they were taking Bane after Azriel captured him.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You act as if Joker is this great and powerful master criminal who has the whole of Gothams underworld in his pocket and that just isn't true. While the Joker has bullied/threatened some criminals into permanently working for him, and he does have a gang that he works with the first is only as loyal as it takes for joker to not kill them (as seen in the Joker graphic novel) and the second usually changes each appearance that the Joker makes.
Point is that while the joker does have some minions almost all aren't loyal and they certainly not enough that there will be instant retaliation anywhere you go.
As a matter of fact, the Joker was in Blackgate Prison instead of Arkham... once. (It had to do with him having legally been found fit to stand trial, as ridiculous as that sounds.) Notably, during the 'Joker: Devil's Advocate' story arc.
The first night he was in there, the lead inmate of the yard attempted to beat him to death. The Joker killed him instead, and was put in solitary for the rest of his stay there.
But the point is, the Joker does not have any friends in that prison. Never has. They'd be terrified enough of him to maybe do what he says, if he were alive to threaten them... but they'd cheer just as loud as anybody else if they found out he was dead.
The first night he was in there, the lead inmate of the yard attempted to beat him to death. The Joker killed him instead, and was put in solitary for the rest of his stay there.
But the point is, the Joker does not have any friends in that prison. Never has. They'd be terrified enough of him to maybe do what he says, if he were alive to threaten them... but they'd cheer just as loud as anybody else if they found out he was dead.
Nope, she and the Joker split up a while back, after he eventually crossed the Domestic Violence Event Horizon. Harley sorta-reformed, did the antihero thing for a while, and currently is teamed up with Catwoman and Poison Ivy (who likewise lightened up her intensity some) doing the sort of relatively ethical, gentle crime that Batman puts lowest on his priority list.
Sigh.
So, basically everyone acts like the Joker is that sort of hardened mass murderer... when he AND the rest of the Batman rogue gallery, put TOGETHER, have less kills under their name than Victor freaking Zsasz by himself.
So, let me ask you this: why are you all ragging about how Joker should be executed, when Zsasz alone has been killing more people than every other high profile criminal in Gotham together?
(last I checked, BTW, Zsasz's killcount was in the thousands - apparently, his scars aren't one for each victim anymore. But I don't see anyone here ranting about how he must be OMG EXTERMINATED... even though he's a more brutal and unrepentant killer than the Joker, and like the Joker, has no special powers whatsoever besides being good at killing things, which is the same thing Joker does.)
So, basically everyone acts like the Joker is that sort of hardened mass murderer... when he AND the rest of the Batman rogue gallery, put TOGETHER, have less kills under their name than Victor freaking Zsasz by himself.
So, let me ask you this: why are you all ragging about how Joker should be executed, when Zsasz alone has been killing more people than every other high profile criminal in Gotham together?
(last I checked, BTW, Zsasz's killcount was in the thousands - apparently, his scars aren't one for each victim anymore. But I don't see anyone here ranting about how he must be OMG EXTERMINATED... even though he's a more brutal and unrepentant killer than the Joker, and like the Joker, has no special powers whatsoever besides being good at killing things, which is the same thing Joker does.)
hell no! of course Zsasz should get offed. however i've got to ask where you got your figures for joker's kills. and you should also remember the disconnect between comic on panel and off panel
Zsasz does not have more kills on panel than joker, technically he may have more but due to it not being shown and only being around for 18 years there is a disconnect
that is in comparison to the joker who has been around for 70 years
personally numbers don't matter to me, the fact that these guys will get out and kill again puts them firmly on the execution list
Zsasz does not have more kills on panel than joker, technically he may have more but due to it not being shown and only being around for 18 years there is a disconnect
that is in comparison to the joker who has been around for 70 years
personally numbers don't matter to me, the fact that these guys will get out and kill again puts them firmly on the execution list
Maybe its because Zsasz is a serial killer and the Joker is an attempted nuclear terrorist? Like was already pointed out on the previous page?
Yes, Zsasz kills people. Yes, Zsasz should be shot (in fact, serial killers like him are found fit to stand trial and be executed all the time, so he shouldn't be in Arkham to begin with). Who was disputing this? No one. We were talking about the Joker and all of a sudden you changed the subject.
Yes, Zsasz kills people. Yes, Zsasz should be shot (in fact, serial killers like him are found fit to stand trial and be executed all the time, so he shouldn't be in Arkham to begin with). Who was disputing this? No one. We were talking about the Joker and all of a sudden you changed the subject.
You do realize that the only reason why Zsasz ISN'T an attempted nuclear terrorist like the Joker is solely because he wants to be thorouch with his victims, right? His declared intent is to kill the whole world if at all possible. If he had been the one to get the powers Emperor Joker did, that'd have been a cosmic-level BAD END right there.
My point is that there's people a zillion times worse than the Joker out there who DON'T get executed either, so singling him out is just stupid. What about Lex Luthor? Gorilla Grodd? The Penguin (who by the way, has killed a whole lot more people than the Joker over nonexistent, perceived slights about his looks, and tends to flip out and cause mass murder at the drop of a wrong word)? All of these guys have very high killcounts and are just as unstable as the Joker in their own way (Luthor with his obsession over Supes causing him to make questionable choices, Grodd because well, he's a fucking GORILLA, and the Penguin speaks for himself)... but when I see this kind of argument, the Joker is ALWAYS singled out. Always.
My point is that there's people a zillion times worse than the Joker out there who DON'T get executed either, so singling him out is just stupid. What about Lex Luthor? Gorilla Grodd? The Penguin (who by the way, has killed a whole lot more people than the Joker over nonexistent, perceived slights about his looks, and tends to flip out and cause mass murder at the drop of a wrong word)? All of these guys have very high killcounts and are just as unstable as the Joker in their own way (Luthor with his obsession over Supes causing him to make questionable choices, Grodd because well, he's a fucking GORILLA, and the Penguin speaks for himself)... but when I see this kind of argument, the Joker is ALWAYS singled out. Always.
GH, I think you're missing the point. I've never heard of Zsasz. I'm not a huge fan of the DCU, but I've read some comics and watched the cartoons growing up and seen the movies and stuff. In all that time I just haven't stumbled across Zsasz or whatever (goddamn his whole name is typed with the left pinky).
It's not that the Joker is a worse criminal he's just super-infamous. The same argument, "why hasn't somebody revenge-murdered this super-villian", could be asked of a lot of characters, but it seems especially egregious with guys like the Joker, who are famous and get basically unlimited second chances.
It's not that the Joker is a worse criminal he's just super-infamous. The same argument, "why hasn't somebody revenge-murdered this super-villian", could be asked of a lot of characters, but it seems especially egregious with guys like the Joker, who are famous and get basically unlimited second chances.
It's no good. The dog was a Dead Herring.
Honestly, I have to call bullshit. I know they pull this shit to act like a Drama Bomb, but it's almost fucking NARM.
Seriously, he's a fucking HUMAN. Just because he's from the future and has super technology doesn't mean he's going to be able to anticipate everything. In fact, I'd crush that fucking robot for pulling an "I told you so" on him.
I'd also kick the father in the dick. Seriously, at least it was ONLY the dog. What if it had been you? Or your little girl instead? What about that, asshat? HUH?!
The villain probably would've killed you AND her AND the dog if Booster wasn't there.
Wouldn't have been Booster's fault either way, since it was either that or DIE HIMSELF AND let the villain do more damage.
Seriously, this is as bad as the people in One More Day who were blaming Superman for not being able to stop the dam from bursting and bitched at him that he'd failed them WHEN HE'D LOST HIS FUCKING POWERS. And it's not like he actually HAS a fucking duty to save people. It's a self-made obligation. NOT THE SAME.
Honestly, I have to call bullshit. I know they pull this shit to act like a Drama Bomb, but it's almost fucking NARM.
Seriously, he's a fucking HUMAN. Just because he's from the future and has super technology doesn't mean he's going to be able to anticipate everything. In fact, I'd crush that fucking robot for pulling an "I told you so" on him.
I'd also kick the father in the dick. Seriously, at least it was ONLY the dog. What if it had been you? Or your little girl instead? What about that, asshat? HUH?!
The villain probably would've killed you AND her AND the dog if Booster wasn't there.
Wouldn't have been Booster's fault either way, since it was either that or DIE HIMSELF AND let the villain do more damage.
Seriously, this is as bad as the people in One More Day who were blaming Superman for not being able to stop the dam from bursting and bitched at him that he'd failed them WHEN HE'D LOST HIS FUCKING POWERS. And it's not like he actually HAS a fucking duty to save people. It's a self-made obligation. NOT THE SAME.
Um, no, there's not. Really. The Joker's soul once made the Spectre feel nauseous looking at it, and this is an entity who embodies the Wrath of God and is so monstrously jaded and disassociated that it stares into the most disgusting elements of Hell, demonkind, and the mystic realms without blinking.
In "World War III" (during Grant Morrison's JLA run), J'onn J'onnz no-sold the psychic despair aura of Mageddon, which had previously made entire planets full of gods (literal gods, mind you, Kirby-esque cosmic space gods even) go insane and kill themselves. I mean, he flat-out bounced it, and also shielded other minds from it simultaneously. In "Rock of Ages" (also during Grant Morrison's JLA run), J'onn tried to telepathically force the Joker's mind back to sanity. And giving it everything he had, he could still only hold it for a few minutes, and the effort involved knocked him staggering. I am not making this up. We have on-panel evidence that WTF is wrong in there, its harder on the psyche than effing Mageddon... if you're crazy enough to telepathically plug into it (as unlike Mageddon, the Joker has no broadcast feature).
Edit: Just remembered. "JLA One Million". Somebody actually did weaponize the Joker's psyche once, by digitizing it into a mind virus and unleashing it on the population of the planet Pluto, in the future. Fifteen million people immediately tore themselves apart in an orgy of horrific violence. Seriously. The Joker's mental state is a thing of cosmic horror.
Sure, you can find others that have killed more individuals, and others that have killed more people in more disgusting fashions, and maybe even others who have killed for more petty reasons (although since the Joker has killed people he didn't even know simply for existing, purely at random, that last one is iffy), but here's the rub: you can't find any one other entity that exceeds the Joker's evil in more than one specialized category, and all of those lag behind him in others. There's just something uniquely bent in there, that defies easy description... but we can see its effects on the few entities that have actually gone deep into the Joker's psyche, looking for it.
In pure all-around comprehensive "What the fuck is wrong with this guy?!?", the mofo redefines the golden mean of fucked up.
Edit: OK, now that I think about it, maybe you could nominate Darkseid here. Of course, consider just how horrific someone's psyche is, that you actually have to ring in Darkseid to find something possibly worse.
In "World War III" (during Grant Morrison's JLA run), J'onn J'onnz no-sold the psychic despair aura of Mageddon, which had previously made entire planets full of gods (literal gods, mind you, Kirby-esque cosmic space gods even) go insane and kill themselves. I mean, he flat-out bounced it, and also shielded other minds from it simultaneously. In "Rock of Ages" (also during Grant Morrison's JLA run), J'onn tried to telepathically force the Joker's mind back to sanity. And giving it everything he had, he could still only hold it for a few minutes, and the effort involved knocked him staggering. I am not making this up. We have on-panel evidence that WTF is wrong in there, its harder on the psyche than effing Mageddon... if you're crazy enough to telepathically plug into it (as unlike Mageddon, the Joker has no broadcast feature).
Edit: Just remembered. "JLA One Million". Somebody actually did weaponize the Joker's psyche once, by digitizing it into a mind virus and unleashing it on the population of the planet Pluto, in the future. Fifteen million people immediately tore themselves apart in an orgy of horrific violence. Seriously. The Joker's mental state is a thing of cosmic horror.
Sure, you can find others that have killed more individuals, and others that have killed more people in more disgusting fashions, and maybe even others who have killed for more petty reasons (although since the Joker has killed people he didn't even know simply for existing, purely at random, that last one is iffy), but here's the rub: you can't find any one other entity that exceeds the Joker's evil in more than one specialized category, and all of those lag behind him in others. There's just something uniquely bent in there, that defies easy description... but we can see its effects on the few entities that have actually gone deep into the Joker's psyche, looking for it.
In pure all-around comprehensive "What the fuck is wrong with this guy?!?", the mofo redefines the golden mean of fucked up.
Edit: OK, now that I think about it, maybe you could nominate Darkseid here. Of course, consider just how horrific someone's psyche is, that you actually have to ring in Darkseid to find something possibly worse.
Oh I think you pretty much have to find a demon from the bowels of Hell in order to equal the Joker. He once tried to celebrate Cristmas in his own special way by first kidnapping all the newborns from the Gotham hospitals so he could boil them alive in eggnogg!! Honestly the threat of him decending into Hell and being made into some super demon instead of suffering for his vast crimes is one of the only reasons I would accept for keeping him alive. Although there are ways around letting his soul actually get to Hell...
Are you sure you aren't confusing being evil with being completely batshit insane?
I'll readily admit the Joker's about as insane as they get, but when it comes to being actually evil, the people who do it while being fully sane scare me a hell of a lot more, because they literally only do it because they like to inflict mass amounts of pain, suffering and death upon everything else.
I'll readily admit the Joker's about as insane as they get, but when it comes to being actually evil, the people who do it while being fully sane scare me a hell of a lot more, because they literally only do it because they like to inflict mass amounts of pain, suffering and death upon everything else.
How does this not describe the Joker's motivation in more or less exact detail? Go and read The Killing Joke TPB for his 'One Bad Day' phillosophy and tell me the Joker is not out to cause pain and death for any other reason than he wants to make everyone just like him because that makes him laugh. He literaly does what he does for shits and giggles! Yes that is insane, and it is also EVIL as evil as they come.
But all of that is redundant in the face of the facts that his continued existence is a threat to the lives and properties of the US scociety and any competent or right thinking society would have made efforts to end that threat, permanently.
But all of that is redundant in the face of the facts that his continued existence is a threat to the lives and properties of the US scociety and any competent or right thinking society would have made efforts to end that threat, permanently.