Nasuverse Yagami Shirou (F/sn x MGLN)

ItsaRandomUsername · Mar 5, 2011

ringlhach said:

Thanks for pointing that out, although I actually took care of that just now, since it was beginning to make my eyes cringe. Now it's mo bettuh.

And on a side note, if I've got my Nanoha-verse rankings correct then Ensign Shirou Yagami is around a rank A-AAA. Possibly a AA-Mage.

I'll see if I can't bust out another one soon enough.

NeoSeether · Mar 5, 2011

ItsaRandomUsername said:

Ah, good to know. In other words, equal standing with post-StrikerS-era Subaru, Teana, and Erio?

I guess the Saint Cradle incident really put him through the proverbial grinder at twelve (assuming a four-year gap b/w StrikerS and ViViD).

Does this mean Shirou has flight capability? Pre-requisite's supposed to be A-Rank and above, if memory serves (although some mages simply choose not to).

Used correctly in combination with speed and strength-boosting techniques, or hell, heavy beam-spam/mass dakka (not conventional, mind you)... there's a potential game-breaker, right there.

Only Caster has that ability through really ancient magic (or Gilgamesh through Vimana, but I digress). And dealing with her will be much like a mock battle against Nanoha/Hayate, only it's for real here.

I get the suspicion that Rin will be forced by circumstances to break out Kaleido Ruby... regardless of that, however, Zelretch is gonna be laughing his ass off.

Repeatedly.

ringlhach · Mar 5, 2011

The whole reason they found Shirou is probably Zeltrech getting involved somehow. The TSAB's whole schtick is based on the Dimensional Sea; the series doesn't really talk about anyone else that still exists and can do it, so it stands to reason that they'd be interested in someone that could.

If he's AA, then he's not average at all, though. Average for Nanoha is C, and very few people seem to make it past B at all... of course, most of those mages fall in the "mook" category, since they're line grunts, but hey. Is he just comparing himself to the people he grew up around, most of whom are also A through AAA?

And yeah, I remember flying being an A-rank skill, too... just not where. I'll ask Nanya next time I see him.

ItsaRandomUsername · Mar 5, 2011

NeoSeether said:

Yeah, the events of StrikerS: if that's not trial-by-fire I don't know what the hell is. Combat Cyborgs and Artificial Mages and all that. MAJOR combat experience, since Jail's goons aren't exactly low-key. That would put him around twelve at the time, yeah. And ergo...Erio's "senpai"? Talk about tag-team of bro-ness. :yay:

Flying around due to AA-Mage rank...I don't really recall Subaru and Ginga flying, even though they are supposed to be A and AA-Mages. Guess they really do prefer not to?

Anyway, I'll go deeper into that soon enough, but let's just say Shirou prefers over-extended leaps to actual full-blown flight for personal reasons.

Kaleidoruby B) - Somewhere a DAA Wizard Marshall is laughing his ass off. HARD.

Also, as per suggestion by someone before that Shirou copy emulate various fighting styles and adopt certain moves as his own (including developing his own Zwilingsklingen techniques), Shirou happens to have Divine Buster[/I} at his beck, among others - because they pretty much just hand those out at the TSAB if even Subaru can use it at the start of the show. Not to mention it's pretty damn useful, too.

It would also be a shame to not include more Nanoha characters in the Grail War itself, but MAN is shit going to have to hit the fan in order for Shirou to call in for backup. But if anyone does show up, I personally would like to see Erio be part of that crowd. Anyone else you guys would like to see?

And referring to an old question: No, Shirou and Saber do not get a relationship beyond "Comrades-In-Arms, I'll fight by your side 'til the bitter end" kind of thing. A good and healthy respect for each other, although Shirou does like the nostalgic feelings he gets from Saber due to her and Signum being similar in certain regards.

Yeah Shirou, you're "average" compared to everyone else. B)

NeoSeether · Mar 5, 2011

ItsaRandomUsername said:

As both Nanoha and Fate tend to be extremely busy (choice for the former, long-term field jobs for the latter), my choices shift to Subaru and Teana, if/when circumstances permit/demand.

I want to see a Love-Love Attack in some form, dammit! (Whether the classic G-Gundam staple, or SRW:OGs' Rampage Ghost or Twin Bird Strike, I'd kill to see an epic dual finish against a particularly troublesome Nasu-verse opponent).

If only one, Subaru. GaoGaiGar-tan she may be to everyone else, but to me? R-1/Alt Eisen Riese-chan. If in doubt, recall the 'upgrades' to Mach Calibur after Ginga was kidnapped.

Sound familiar? If you play any of the Original Generation games, it should. Plus, Revolver Knuckle (T-Link Knuckle/Revolver Stake/Revolving Bunker).

Hell, personality-wise, there's more than a bit of Ryuusei in her.

Although, Vita did claim the color scheme and the Heavy Claymore launchers (Schwalbe Fliegen) much earlier on, admittedly.

Shadow Zeranion · Mar 5, 2011

You know... I just realized something... Zwilingsklingen, Shirou's device has a cartridge system. The cartridge system is basically charges of mana to increase one's prana capacity temporarily, and in this case quite SIGNIFICANTLY.

In other words... Did we just overcome one of Shirou's major weaknesses. Namely his inability to keep up with the prana costs of higher level Noble Phantasms like Excalibur without killing himself? O_O

Shirou: Zeke! Cartridge load!

Zeke: Right Master. (Loads many cartridges)

Shirou: Trace on! (Forms sword) EX-

Vita: What the?

Shirou: CALIBUR!!! (Big flash of doom)

Vita: Oh boy, just what we need... ANOTHER person with a Starlight Breaker level attack.

Nanoha: Shirou! I think its time for me to test you again!

(The following "test" results in the total annihilation of the training area plus the disruption of the oceanic ecosystem within 3 miles when the containment barriers around the field failed.)

ringlhach · Mar 5, 2011

Not unbelieveable for personal reasons re: flight. Ginga's A-rank during StrikerS and doesn't, although that might be because she has Wing Road, an inherent spell, and has just never bothered to learn. Subaru's B-class at that time, though, and she hasn't had much face time in Force that I remember despite being a huge part of the plot.

I can't see his family not trying to get him into the air, though- all of them fly. Perhaps him just holding off, saying "they restrict flight on Mid to emergency use only, so why not here" would work better?

I'd suggest drawing on Signum's and Vita's spell lists, although you said he learned some shielding from Zafira, too. He's got a bow, so he almost certainly knows Sturm Falke. Eisengeheul and Gefõngnis der Magie might be useful, and so would a version of Blutiger Dolch. They'd have to have been reworked if he's Neo-Belka, though; they're all Ancient Belkan spells. Stahlmesser, Arc/Haken Saber or Luftmesser, and Sonic Move might fit his combat style.

People I'd like to see... Erio and Caro are usually pretty busy. Fate and Nanoha are too, as addressed; Ginga, Subaru and Tea might be nice.

ItsaRandomUsername · Mar 5, 2011

NeoSeether said:

Actually, I have a soft spot in my heart for both Subaru AND Teana, so if anyone's gonna have guest appearances, then it might as well be them.

God, I loved the SRW:OG titles. I STILL need to finish up OG2, it's been too damn long and I love that game with a passion so...*teary eyes*.

Love-Love Attack? That'd have to be between upgraded!Shirou x Signum, that's what you're thinking of, right? Hmm...

Shirou *draws Zeke*: Signum, I'll show you just how much I've changed during this time.
Signum *readies Laevetein*: I've been wanting to see these improvements of yours, Shirou. I trust that they won't disappoint me.
Shirou: There's no way I'd ever disappoint a loved one!
Signum: Ready?...
Shirou: ...Set...
Both: CHARGE!
*Signum surges forward, numerous mystical swords suddenly appear and hover by Shirou momentarily before flying at the enemy*
*Swordspam impaling/barricade happens, followed up by Signum slicing through the foe witha four-way combination attack. Shirou turns up right beside her.*
Signum: Now!
Shirou: Time to end this!
*Double slice with dual weld Zwilingsklingen - Riot Zanber Version Zwei, along with Fire Dragon Slash *

!!!!!!GRATUTIOUS EXPLOSION!!!!!!

Signum: It was over...
Shirou: ...the moment this fight began!
Vita: Did somebody order the large ham?!

{Note: Obviously intentionally full of good-natured cheese}

@Shadow Zeranerion: God damn, you might be on to something. Although cartridge systems only boost Device parameters/attacks, so he wouldn't be able to use them for his own prana enhancements, theoretically. Unless he eats it...which I would not recommend.

NeoSeether · Mar 5, 2011

[HK-47]

Clarification: I meant to imply that Subaru Nakajima and Teana Lanstar would be the subjects to participate in the aforementioned Love-Love Attack.

Guilty admission: However, the example of Shirou Yagami and Signum no Rekka no Shou engaging in their own variant is more than acceptable.

[/HK-47]

ItsaRandomUsername · Mar 5, 2011

NeoSeether said:

[HK-47]

Clarification: I meant to imply that Subaru Nakajima and Teana Lanstar would be the subjects to participate in the aforementioned Love-Love Attack.

Guilty admission: However, the example of Shirou Yagami and Signum no Rekka no Shou engaging in their own variant is more than acceptable.

[/HK-47]

Also okay.

Prince Charon · Mar 5, 2011

nick012000 said:

shioran toushin said:

Because he's probably grown up having heard the story about how Nanoha rescued Fate and how Hayate redeemed the Wolkenritter by treating them as people. He'd probably put two and two together and try to rescue/'befriend' her.

This is a good point. :sisi:

NeoSeether · Mar 5, 2011

Oh, what the hell. Separate post GET!

Addendum: The aforementioned Shirou+Signum combination attack has whose theme music attatched? EMIYA doesn't suit it, neither does any of Signum's BGMs or image songs (does she even have any?), so by default, I'm going with Steel Beowulf.

Just 'cause Kyosuke's BGM is that awesome for me. 'specially the OGs iteration.

Well, that, or Arado's WILD FLUG (PS2 Alpha/OGs exclusive, not on GBA), which is damned catchy as well, but doesn't match up against his predecessor's.

Failing that, DARK KNIGHT, or A World so Close, Yet so Far Away. (Again, PS2/OGs versions. So much better than the GBA's 16-bit synthesized tunes, with few exceptions).

Signum's a rather obvious expy, and since Lancer is one of the bad guys for the most part, barring the UBW route (OGs/FSN shared voice actor joke), Shirou can lay claim to either theme.

ItsaRandomUsername · Mar 5, 2011

Steel Beowulf, now THAT'S a kickass tune.

I also happened to play DARK KNIGHT alongside the Shirou x Signum tagteam, and it fit REALLY well. :blink: In a good way.

Let's see if more inspiration will hit, I'd like to try my hand at a Shirou Yagami UBW chant. :snigger:

Tsuki_CB · Mar 5, 2011

Somebody was talking about Saber becoming a unison device and it got me thinking, why not make Saber Shiro's unison device? It's already been established that they would be like comrades in arms right?

nick012000 · Mar 5, 2011

Tsuki_CB said:

I don't think that's terribly likely, unless by "unison" you mean "sex". Servants don't get brand new powers like that, unless they're just Wraiths instead of proper Heroic Spirits.

Jorlem · Mar 6, 2011

I just reread the one shot, and something occurred to me. This Shirou was raised entierly on Mid-Childa, right? So how does he know about myths surrounding an Earth religion, well enough that it would jump immediately to mind?

kitsuneb · Mar 6, 2011

Just because Hayate, Nanoha and Fate live on Mid-Childa does not mean they have lost contact with Earth. For Nanoha and Hayate, it is their planet of orgin, along with ex-Admiral Graham, and so they still feel they should be connected to it. It's sorta the same way a military brat still knows about american culture despite living overseas most of his life.

Jorlem · Mar 6, 2011

True, but speaking from personal experience, I didn't know anything about the Holy Grail beyond what was in the Monty Python movie, until I read a listing of what Dan Brown got wrong in his book. I would think that the religion that Shirou knows the most about would be the Saint Church, not a religion from some other dimension. Maybe Hayate was Christian, and decided to give him a religious education or something?

I guess it doesn't really matter, in any case. I just thought it was weird, given that it would take me a minute or two of thought to recall it being the cup that caught Jesus's blood. (If you asked me about the Golem of Prague, on the other hand...)

kitsuneb · Mar 6, 2011

Wrong Holy Grail. Like it was explained, Shirou also confused the christian Holy Grail with the Heaven's Feel Holy Grail. So in otherwords you need to either read through Fate/Stay Night or go through the Type-Moon Wiki.

Jorlem · Mar 6, 2011

Huh? No, I get that its not the same Holy Grail. But when the Shirou in this one-shot hears that the Lost Logia that he's going after is called the Holy Grail, he thinks

What I was wondering was, how does Shirou know these pieces of information regarding the Christian Holy Grail, given that he has been raised almost completely isolated from any and all of the trappings of Christianity?

ItsaRandomUsername · Mar 6, 2011

Shirou be EDUMACATED.

Jorlem · Mar 6, 2011

Ok then. Sorry if I was a bother.

NeoSeether · Mar 6, 2011

My personal fanon for this story is that Shirou (and maybe a few other members of the clan/extended nakama) got one hell of a kick watching the various Indiana Jones movies, but particularly (for our protagonist), The Last Crusade. :sisi:

At some point, out of sheer curiosity/boredom, he decided to to do some more in-depth research, if only because he knows that <s>movies</s> any kind of fictional production never gets all the details right.

Jorlem · Mar 6, 2011

NeoSeether said:

Sounds good to me. Could it be Yuuno that introduced them to the movies, to show them what he did before he got his library job?

Cyberbeta · Mar 6, 2011

Ilya may not have a reason to go after Shirou beyond being a rival Master but her changes in the war will be interesting. Yeah she will still have her childish act, but the TSAB may be able to help her health problem.

Provided you don't choose to go that part of the UBW Route and have Gilgamesh kill her.

Also, wouldn't Herculese/Berserker be enough of a reason to call in backup?

So when will you continue this story?

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