Nasuverse Yagami Shirou (F/sn x MGLN)
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Hey, don't feel bad about it. Honestly, I'm tickled pink that there seems to be such an interest in this. Really inspires me to write more and more, honest to God.
I actually like the sound of this. Wait....Fanon?! ALREADY!?! :blink: ...that's impressive.
Speaking of fanon, an idea popped into my head regarding a what-if involving Shirou Yagami and the MGLN doujinshi "Nanoha BetrayerS". ...*cringes* Since it's BetrayerS, it's definitely dark and edgy, but I have nothing more in mind than a few concepts. [Shirou probably ends up leaving the TSAB because he disagrees with their new policies and goes around doing hero-work for some disturbing parallels with EMIYA]
Come to think of it, Shirou Yagami is actually probably rather genre savvy.
And of course, he would be on good terms with the rest of the extended family/colleagues. Hence the bro-ness with Erio.
Random Thoughts that need addressing:
She might not say it outright, but you just know Agito wants to "Unison" with him. ^_^
Also, wanna see a tag-team attack with Teana and Subaru a la Twin Bird? I can provide~
Illya dying? Here? Not a chance, broski. That's a collective plus in our book.
It's an idea - just an idea so far, but I'd say that in order for Shirou to justify getting backup would be when the Holy Grail gets REALLY bad. Like, say, "wish" gets granted levels of shit-hitting-the-proverbial-fan bad.
Any sort of plot element that could bring in waves of mooks would do. Them shadow dogs from HA would be nice, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to implement them in a non-fandisk setting. Anything that lets me bring in Subaru, Ginga, Teana, and probably Signum at some point.
As for continuation of the story, it's certainly something I'd like to do, but it'll probably need to be made up on the fly, because aside from a few scenes I'm at a loss as where the story would go.
That being said, since there actually does seem to be a strong demand for it, I still want to write more. Especially Shirou Yagami's Unlimited Blade Works chant, just for fun.
I actually like the sound of this. Wait....Fanon?! ALREADY!?! :blink: ...that's impressive.
Speaking of fanon, an idea popped into my head regarding a what-if involving Shirou Yagami and the MGLN doujinshi "Nanoha BetrayerS". ...*cringes* Since it's BetrayerS, it's definitely dark and edgy, but I have nothing more in mind than a few concepts. [Shirou probably ends up leaving the TSAB because he disagrees with their new policies and goes around doing hero-work for some disturbing parallels with EMIYA]
Come to think of it, Shirou Yagami is actually probably rather genre savvy.
And of course, he would be on good terms with the rest of the extended family/colleagues. Hence the bro-ness with Erio.
Random Thoughts that need addressing:
She might not say it outright, but you just know Agito wants to "Unison" with him. ^_^
Also, wanna see a tag-team attack with Teana and Subaru a la Twin Bird? I can provide~
Illya dying? Here? Not a chance, broski. That's a collective plus in our book.
It's an idea - just an idea so far, but I'd say that in order for Shirou to justify getting backup would be when the Holy Grail gets REALLY bad. Like, say, "wish" gets granted levels of shit-hitting-the-proverbial-fan bad.
Any sort of plot element that could bring in waves of mooks would do. Them shadow dogs from HA would be nice, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to implement them in a non-fandisk setting. Anything that lets me bring in Subaru, Ginga, Teana, and probably Signum at some point.
As for continuation of the story, it's certainly something I'd like to do, but it'll probably need to be made up on the fly, because aside from a few scenes I'm at a loss as where the story would go.
That being said, since there actually does seem to be a strong demand for it, I still want to write more. Especially Shirou Yagami's Unlimited Blade Works chant, just for fun.
Well, given that she was quite literally an emotionless doll prior to meeting Shirou, I'd say it would be pretty obvious that something was wrong. And, given that she would be a master in the war (and, I would presume, a fellow student in the school he would have to "transfer" into as cover), he would have good reason to interact with her.
And, being Shirou, he's not likely to take the attitude that other masters are simply enemies to be defeated, either. If he saw that there was something wrong with her and that she was seemingly totally broken, I'm sure Shirou would investigate why.
And, being Shirou, he's not likely to take the attitude that other masters are simply enemies to be defeated, either. If he saw that there was something wrong with her and that she was seemingly totally broken, I'm sure Shirou would investigate why.
I'd recommend shelving this idea until the main plot is either mostly nailed down, or if the muse(s) are no longer cooperating on said main plot.
Should that occur however, I wish to link you to a brief outline of mine on another forum (doesn't require registering just to lurk... I think), involving the TSAB going down the Shadow-Mirror path... which Shirou would not willingly agree with, once he finds out The Truth?:
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Please do. Although with some tweaking, they could pull off Rampage Ghost as well, though Subaru would have to cosplay as the Nacht (and maybe get a stake attachment for Revolver Knuckle, though a point-blank Divine Buster works just as well), and Teana would have to use flight capability + link together both halves of Cross Mirage into a larger rifle-like unit (hello, Ochstan/Oxtongue <insert firearm type here>).
I wish I could assist on this front, but my oratory skills are nowhere near sufficiently capable of handling Badass Boasts (an aria/chant, in this case).
Should that occur however, I wish to link you to a brief outline of mine on another forum (doesn't require registering just to lurk... I think), involving the TSAB going down the Shadow-Mirror path... which Shirou would not willingly agree with, once he finds out The Truth?:
<a href='http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.php?p=5535994&postcount=3' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.ph...994&postcount=3</a>
Please do. Although with some tweaking, they could pull off Rampage Ghost as well, though Subaru would have to cosplay as the Nacht (and maybe get a stake attachment for Revolver Knuckle, though a point-blank Divine Buster works just as well), and Teana would have to use flight capability + link together both halves of Cross Mirage into a larger rifle-like unit (hello, Ochstan/Oxtongue <insert firearm type here>).
I wish I could assist on this front, but my oratory skills are nowhere near sufficiently capable of handling Badass Boasts (an aria/chant, in this case).
Don't worry - it was only just a random idea. Nothing will come of it for now.
Who ever said Shirou transfers into a school for cover? He's a working employee, man!
Granted, this is what Fate did back in A's during the Book of Darkness incident. I'm not intrinsically opposed to the idea, but Shirou is WAY more likely to be conducting work/research/strategizing how to deal with the Holy Grail War as a whole. He's no Kiritsugu, but he's smart enough to know that plans need planning in order to work. He is a veteran, after all. There'd be no real point for him to transfer into the school. This makes it pretty troubling for deliberating Sakura-related scenes, since the only times he would see her (possibly during the daytime, but the chances of that are astronomically slim) would be during nighttime. And she'd be a pretty rare site, too, since Sakura by her nature isn't going to Leeroy Jenkins into a fight with her Servant at her side - having Rider sneak in from the sidelines I can see happening.
I don't NOT want to write stuff for her and Illya and Rin, but considering his nature as an outsider here it makes it very difficult for him to get a proper connection with them. Although buying groceries could be a good start - an Illya scene could easily happen based off of this.
Anyway, suggestions are indeed welcomed. Don't be shy with them, but let's make sure to be respectful now. Matou-related territory is dicey territory, as we are well aware.
Another issue to address - I'm kind of at a loss as to how he even ends up summoning Saber in the first place. It's not accidental, I can say that much. But HOW does he come to the conclusion that he needs one of those there Heroic Spirits in order to pay to play??? Possibly research given to him based on TSAB work involving the previous Grail War? I'll need to think about this one...
This is a pretty much a given. You know Nanoha's modus operandi - befriend with overwhelming force until they can't even stand. Servant battles are decisively more lethal, something that he may have to accept if he wants to "claim" the Lost Logia for the TSAB, but he for sure would go out of his way to ensure that the Masters are not harmed.
Also, keep in mind that he does want to touch lives the way that Hayate, Fate and Naoha also did. If he gets the chance to save others, he'll damn well take it.
Who ever said Shirou transfers into a school for cover? He's a working employee, man!
Granted, this is what Fate did back in A's during the Book of Darkness incident. I'm not intrinsically opposed to the idea, but Shirou is WAY more likely to be conducting work/research/strategizing how to deal with the Holy Grail War as a whole. He's no Kiritsugu, but he's smart enough to know that plans need planning in order to work. He is a veteran, after all. There'd be no real point for him to transfer into the school. This makes it pretty troubling for deliberating Sakura-related scenes, since the only times he would see her (possibly during the daytime, but the chances of that are astronomically slim) would be during nighttime. And she'd be a pretty rare site, too, since Sakura by her nature isn't going to Leeroy Jenkins into a fight with her Servant at her side - having Rider sneak in from the sidelines I can see happening.
I don't NOT want to write stuff for her and Illya and Rin, but considering his nature as an outsider here it makes it very difficult for him to get a proper connection with them. Although buying groceries could be a good start - an Illya scene could easily happen based off of this.
Anyway, suggestions are indeed welcomed. Don't be shy with them, but let's make sure to be respectful now. Matou-related territory is dicey territory, as we are well aware.
Another issue to address - I'm kind of at a loss as to how he even ends up summoning Saber in the first place. It's not accidental, I can say that much. But HOW does he come to the conclusion that he needs one of those there Heroic Spirits in order to pay to play??? Possibly research given to him based on TSAB work involving the previous Grail War? I'll need to think about this one...
This is a pretty much a given. You know Nanoha's modus operandi - befriend with overwhelming force until they can't even stand. Servant battles are decisively more lethal, something that he may have to accept if he wants to "claim" the Lost Logia for the TSAB, but he for sure would go out of his way to ensure that the Masters are not harmed.
Also, keep in mind that he does want to touch lives the way that Hayate, Fate and Naoha also did. If he gets the chance to save others, he'll damn well take it.
The idea here that popped to mind would be a variant of how the first happened: Attacked by Lancer while scouting, chased into the vacant Emiya home and accidentally activating the Summoning Circle there.
Cheap but simple.
I may have missed the answer to this but how would Archer/Counter Guardian Emiya have changed? Or would he simply be the same as canon?
Cheap but simple.
I may have missed the answer to this but how would Archer/Counter Guardian Emiya have changed? Or would he simply be the same as canon?
A bit dicey, but Nasu-verse canon pretty much declares that the Throne of Heroes (where Heroic Spirits/Servants are 'backed up' in the Akashic Records) exist completely 'outside' of normal space/time, and thus it isn't unfeasible that the Archer that gets summoned in this timeline is pretty much the canon version.
Of course, given that there's also the possibility that multiple 'copies', or 'variations' of each Heroic Spirit are also stored there, the author could also run with an alternate Shirou Yagami who needed the power boost as a Counter Guardian for some threat that he and nakama/family weren't enough to win against normally.
After his death (via 'natural' means or otherwise), that can still can result in an incredibly disillusioned/cynical/apathetic future Shirou Yagami (since Counter Guardians are eternally bound 'cleaners'/'sweepers') who just wants out of his contract with Gaia/Alaya/Akasha itself, by any means necessary... or possible.
Of course, given that there's also the possibility that multiple 'copies', or 'variations' of each Heroic Spirit are also stored there, the author could also run with an alternate Shirou Yagami who needed the power boost as a Counter Guardian for some threat that he and nakama/family weren't enough to win against normally.
After his death (via 'natural' means or otherwise), that can still can result in an incredibly disillusioned/cynical/apathetic future Shirou Yagami (since Counter Guardians are eternally bound 'cleaners'/'sweepers') who just wants out of his contract with Gaia/Alaya/Akasha itself, by any means necessary... or possible.
Actually, I'd say that, if anything, Ilya is a bigger issue than Sakura is. Since he has no connection to Kiritsugu here, Ilya will have no reason whatsoever to care about him, and thus will not follow him around in the way that she did in FSN. Further, she actually seems much more aggressive and involved in the war than Sakura would, and thus it would probably be less obvious that there was anything "wrong" with her. And, of course, there is the additional problem that she is the Grail, and thus for Shirou (or anyone else) to obtain it she has to die. Now, I'm not saying that he'd kill her (it seems unlikely to me), but someone like Gil sure as hell would....
As for Sakura being passive, you're probably right there, since she has neither the ability or the motivation to get involved in the fighting, but at the same time she has nothing much to live for, so she's not going to be overly interested in protecting herself either. If she came up against a master or servant who was genuinely trying to kill her, she would probably not last very long. Of course, fortunately for her, there aren't any masters who would be genuinely trying to kill her (Rin and Shirou wouldn't even consider it, Caster is entirely defensive, Kotomine couldn't give a crap about her and Ilya would just smash through Rider if they ever fought), so....
Another thing to consider is Dark Sakura, the shadow and the like. I believe that Zouken's original plan for Sakura was to have her absorb the servants and become the Grail (certainly, the way he talks to her in the HF interludes implies this, because he says that he wanted her to "capture" the servants). This didn't work canonically because she was unwilling to fight, but here it could quite easily happen. And, if it did, there's a high chance that the shadow would come out, like in HF.
What Sakura would do in a war like this is actually a very good question. She doesn't seem to me to be the sort of person who would really put much effort into it (like Ilya, in fact, if you take Emiya Shirou out of the equation), but at the same time she has got to do something. Possibly, like you say, Rider would basically fight on her own, for Sakura's sake. That does, however, make it hard for Shirou to find out the truth about Sakura.
Personally, I would say that the best way to get Sakura involved is for him to do research into the Matou family (as well as the Tohsaka family, probably) as part of his planning for the war (since they're both known participants). It's simple common sense that you would want to know who your enemies are, and I would imagine that the TSAB would at very least have enough resources to discover that Rin is Sakura's sister and that the Matou magic is somewhat dodgy. Given that information, he likely has enough reason to look more closely at their situation and to attempt to resolve it, especially if he asks Rin about it at some point.
Another possibility is for him to look into alliances. I can't imagine that even TSAB Shirou could take Berserker alone, so anyone he can form an alliance with would be very helpful. Most likely, that would be Rin, but Sakura would not be an impossibility, since Rider has no real chance of taking down Berserker on her own (I believe). Once that happens, of course, him finding out the truth about her becomes much more likely.
As for Sakura being passive, you're probably right there, since she has neither the ability or the motivation to get involved in the fighting, but at the same time she has nothing much to live for, so she's not going to be overly interested in protecting herself either. If she came up against a master or servant who was genuinely trying to kill her, she would probably not last very long. Of course, fortunately for her, there aren't any masters who would be genuinely trying to kill her (Rin and Shirou wouldn't even consider it, Caster is entirely defensive, Kotomine couldn't give a crap about her and Ilya would just smash through Rider if they ever fought), so....
Another thing to consider is Dark Sakura, the shadow and the like. I believe that Zouken's original plan for Sakura was to have her absorb the servants and become the Grail (certainly, the way he talks to her in the HF interludes implies this, because he says that he wanted her to "capture" the servants). This didn't work canonically because she was unwilling to fight, but here it could quite easily happen. And, if it did, there's a high chance that the shadow would come out, like in HF.
What Sakura would do in a war like this is actually a very good question. She doesn't seem to me to be the sort of person who would really put much effort into it (like Ilya, in fact, if you take Emiya Shirou out of the equation), but at the same time she has got to do something. Possibly, like you say, Rider would basically fight on her own, for Sakura's sake. That does, however, make it hard for Shirou to find out the truth about Sakura.
Personally, I would say that the best way to get Sakura involved is for him to do research into the Matou family (as well as the Tohsaka family, probably) as part of his planning for the war (since they're both known participants). It's simple common sense that you would want to know who your enemies are, and I would imagine that the TSAB would at very least have enough resources to discover that Rin is Sakura's sister and that the Matou magic is somewhat dodgy. Given that information, he likely has enough reason to look more closely at their situation and to attempt to resolve it, especially if he asks Rin about it at some point.
Another possibility is for him to look into alliances. I can't imagine that even TSAB Shirou could take Berserker alone, so anyone he can form an alliance with would be very helpful. Most likely, that would be Rin, but Sakura would not be an impossibility, since Rider has no real chance of taking down Berserker on her own (I believe). Once that happens, of course, him finding out the truth about her becomes much more likely.
Pretty much I was going to go with making Archer be good ol' Counter Guardian EMIYA, just so I can write some scenes where he metaphorically goes "WTF. This is going to turn out interestingly" and pretty much accepts that this is indeed am unusual timeline, if the "Shirou" here is Mr. TSAB-Veteran.
They'd be good matches for each other, combat wise, if they ever are forced to clash with one another.
Re: Cherry_Lover
Nice input you've got going on there, so it's much appreciated. I'll see what I can do.
A veteran and commissioned employee he may be, Shirou is still only human. So naturally, Berserker would pulp him if that stone sword hit. Let's not forget capabilities as well.
Illya - for one thing a little girl is fighting, so automatically warning bells go off in the head. Like Lutecia Alpine of StrikerS (AKA Loli-Rider), a young girl in combat definitely raises some eyebrows.
They'd be good matches for each other, combat wise, if they ever are forced to clash with one another.
Re: Cherry_Lover
Nice input you've got going on there, so it's much appreciated. I'll see what I can do.
A veteran and commissioned employee he may be, Shirou is still only human. So naturally, Berserker would pulp him if that stone sword hit. Let's not forget capabilities as well.
Illya - for one thing a little girl is fighting, so automatically warning bells go off in the head. Like Lutecia Alpine of StrikerS (AKA Loli-Rider), a young girl in combat definitely raises some eyebrows.
You know, he could always do what Fate did in the first season and take over a penthouse somewhere. I don't remember them saying whether or not it was in barrier-space, either, so it's entirely possible that she moved into someone else's house and they never even saw her. :sweat:
About the summoning- if he's Erio's friend, then he's spent time around Caro and probably Loli-Rider, and knows at least a little about it. The summoning would probably register as a ripple in the fabric of space-time on whatever sensor systems he's got, so he might see, meet and/or be engaged by one or more Servant before he realizes what they are or how to get one, depending on if he shows up before the ritual's complete.
Rin's summoning might be an interesting one for him to walk in on, actually, just because it leaves all sorts of potential "WTF?" moments there. Bonuses if she tries to declare him her Servant, though.
I can see this Shirou calling home for advice when Berserker doesn't stay dead, if that comes to be an issue, or if he finds people drained of their prana/Linker Cores, since the Wolkenritter did that, and if there's another Book of Darkness here, that would be bad.
About the summoning- if he's Erio's friend, then he's spent time around Caro and probably Loli-Rider, and knows at least a little about it. The summoning would probably register as a ripple in the fabric of space-time on whatever sensor systems he's got, so he might see, meet and/or be engaged by one or more Servant before he realizes what they are or how to get one, depending on if he shows up before the ritual's complete.
Rin's summoning might be an interesting one for him to walk in on, actually, just because it leaves all sorts of potential "WTF?" moments there. Bonuses if she tries to declare him her Servant, though.
I can see this Shirou calling home for advice when Berserker doesn't stay dead, if that comes to be an issue, or if he finds people drained of their prana/Linker Cores, since the Wolkenritter did that, and if there's another Book of Darkness here, that would be bad.
So, going back to Shirou's combat style for a second . . . if he's a jack of all trades, has he focused on getting as much done with as little mana as possible?
That reminds me of Chrono, actually. Multi-role competent Shota with badass longcoat, plays zoning mindgames and is fond of swordspamming?
Jackpot. Well, former-Shota, but whatever.
Wouldn't surprise me at all to hear that Chrono took Shirou and Erio under his wing when he was off duty. They and Zafira probably needed some testosterone time. That said, I'm kind of curious - what's Shirou's relationship with Rein like?
That reminds me of Chrono, actually. Multi-role competent Shota with badass longcoat, plays zoning mindgames and is fond of swordspamming?
Jackpot. Well, former-Shota, but whatever.
Wouldn't surprise me at all to hear that Chrono took Shirou and Erio under his wing when he was off duty. They and Zafira probably needed some testosterone time. That said, I'm kind of curious - what's Shirou's relationship with Rein like?
Exactly. Hence why he's going to very quickly realise he needs help here.
Well, that's true, but it's still going to be difficult for him to actually get to know her. And, honestly, all of the major characters are children, really, even Rin and Sakura. I mean, Rin is only 16 and Sakura is only 15, that's not really old enough to be fighting in a war to the death for some silly "Holy Grail". And, plus, when he does defeat them he's going to have to protect them from other masters who might want to finish them off (and I would hope he wouldn't trust Kotomine in that respect...).
Well, that's true, but it's still going to be difficult for him to actually get to know her. And, honestly, all of the major characters are children, really, even Rin and Sakura. I mean, Rin is only 16 and Sakura is only 15, that's not really old enough to be fighting in a war to the death for some silly "Holy Grail". And, plus, when he does defeat them he's going to have to protect them from other masters who might want to finish them off (and I would hope he wouldn't trust Kotomine in that respect...).
Exactly. Shirou can take on just about any role a battle calls for, he's quite versatile that way. From point-man, sniper, close-range, defensive, etc. he can handle a lot with no problem. I want to convey Shirou Yagami as a walking swiss-army knife, kind of like how he is canon (or will be, as per Archer's example).
And yeah, there was probably a good bit of Chrono-based influence when coming up with TSAB Shirou. Heck, even way back in A's when Chrono did Stinger Blade it just screamed to me "LoL-UBW".
Actually, I can imagine Chrono taking the boys off for some much needed male-bonding, especially when they're surrounded by a predominantly female cast. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but sometimes you just gotta go do "guy-things" together, you know?
Well considering that Rein is his mother's Unison Device, naturally they'd be on good terms with each other. She'd probably act like an older sister, but ends up coming across as a younger sibling trying to act older.
Just the mental image of Rein referring to herself as "Onee-san" while talking with Shirou is pretty hilarious, in a cute way...because she's so tiny. Playful teasing could ensue easily from there.
And yeah, there was probably a good bit of Chrono-based influence when coming up with TSAB Shirou. Heck, even way back in A's when Chrono did Stinger Blade it just screamed to me "LoL-UBW".
Actually, I can imagine Chrono taking the boys off for some much needed male-bonding, especially when they're surrounded by a predominantly female cast. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but sometimes you just gotta go do "guy-things" together, you know?
Well considering that Rein is his mother's Unison Device, naturally they'd be on good terms with each other. She'd probably act like an older sister, but ends up coming across as a younger sibling trying to act older.
Just the mental image of Rein referring to herself as "Onee-san" while talking with Shirou is pretty hilarious, in a cute way...because she's so tiny. Playful teasing could ensue easily from there.
Hmm... out of curiosity, how old ARE the Wolkenritter?
And is Shirou ever going to be able to trace or analyze Devices--maybe after he gets to practice his Unlimited Blade Works and cuts his teeth on analyzing and replicating Noble Phantasms -- which, as crystallized mysteries, are probably minor Lost Logia -- he'll be able to reproduce other magical or magitech devices?
And is Shirou ever going to be able to trace or analyze Devices--maybe after he gets to practice his Unlimited Blade Works and cuts his teeth on analyzing and replicating Noble Phantasms -- which, as crystallized mysteries, are probably minor Lost Logia -- he'll be able to reproduce other magical or magitech devices?
Uh . . . centuries? Possibly millenia. I can't recall if they or the Book of Darkness were ever given a concrete age.
On Shirou tracing Devices? I can't see it happening, to be frank. UBW itself doesn't get better at what it does - Shirou just gets better at using it. Devices are probably in the same category of NO U as Ea.
On Shirou tracing Devices? I can't see it happening, to be frank. UBW itself doesn't get better at what it does - Shirou just gets better at using it. Devices are probably in the same category of NO U as Ea.
Yeah, this. Remember, as mentioned Shirou did say that Laevtein was all LOL NO if he'd try to Trace it, which made him go WTF DAMN in response.
And just as a guesstimation, I'd say the Wolkenritter are about as strong as an average Heroic Spirit with spells of varying rank that range to B-Rank and up going by the NP Scale of measurement.
And just as a guesstimation, I'd say the Wolkenritter are about as strong as an average Heroic Spirit with spells of varying rank that range to B-Rank and up going by the NP Scale of measurement.
