Nasuverse Yagami Shirou (F/sn x MGLN)

[Shadow Zeranion]

The thing that Shirou should be completely unable to replicate in Intelligent Devices is the Intelligent part.

Theoretically, Shirou should be able to replicate Storage Devices and maybe even "dumb" Armed Devices like Subaru's Buster Knuckle.

It's about the complexity of the item replicated, actually. Too many moving parts = Inability to copy. Otherwise Shirou could Trace guns and the like, which he (or Archer) does not do. Keep in mind, Devices are very complex pieces of equipment, ergo he cannot truly replicate.

Perhaps his device can rectify that somewhat allowing him to trace more complicated weaponry.

Possibly... But the problem with that idea is that they'd have to make the device in such a way that it would basically be directly linked to Shirou's Reality Marble and become more of an extension of it than its own device so that it could aid his ability to understand the weapons without losing the more exotic parts of it like the ability to copy the attributes of Noble Phantasms.

Oh god... A SENTIENT reality marble... That idea both thrills and horrifies me beyond measure.

 

[shioran toushin]

i think he can't reproduce very complex machinery, but if he can understand the concept of it and the materials are something he could comprenhend (because the usual restriction on the materials found on earth would be restrictive as YAGAMI works in diferent worlds/dimensions.) he could create a facsimile of the efects produced (at least on the devices angle).
Quoting from <a href='http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11008' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>the Snippets from HELL</a>

ôI donÆt weave illusionsàö
ôàI create alternatives.ö
ôWhat do I see?ö
"Worlds beyond Worlds."
ôSwords beyond Swords.ö

If every idea was a blade, if every dream was a sword.

If every possible tale could create a weapon of legend.

If every battle gave birth to a story, which powered the swords i would one day call my own.

If every weapon could be imagined, if every dream could find a world to EXIST.

Then for someone like me who lived between those worlds à.

ôWhat do i see?ö

ôSwords beyond Swords.ö

and from The create your reality marble thread

A thousand promises, all broken within you.
You are my tomb, you are my sword.
Light lies not in you,
Unworthy of Fate's rest:
A thousand fragments and a trillion deaths.
You are my shield, my faded wreath.
So heed my call, O vile Graveyard of Infinity!

If we were to see the beginning.
The emptiness from which all came.
There would be nothing.
No light.
No darkness.
No distinction between good and evil.
Echoing everything, rejecting nothing.
That is mirror of creation.
So let there be, "Unbounded Reflections".

 

[Deathwings]

Well, it's not like the ability to reproduce Devices would be all that useful anyway. Spells are akin to computer programs in MGLN, so reproducing the hardware would hardly net you the software.

 

[shioran toushin]

unless he reproduces the effect :unsure: via a rather brittle facsimile of the device

 

[trevelyan1983]

unless he reproduces the effect :unsure: via a rather brittle facsimile of the device

The device doesn't create the effect. The mage does. Devices are force multipliers and hard disks for saving magic programs.

 

[Deathwings]

They're super calculators too. They handle the heaviest calculations so that their user can both cast and move at the same time.

But yeah. As I said before, reproducing the hardware shouldn't be that hard. It's just metal and crystal after all, with the occasional moving parts.

No, the most important part of a Devices are its AI and its spell history. Both things that Shirou would never be able to replicate. Ever.

 

[shioran toushin]

but he reproduces the history of the NP as well as the skill of his wielders, i give the Intelligence part, but the spell history is debatable.
i.e. Nine Lives







then of course i may be wrong about it :huh.:

 

[Shadow Zeranion]

There's another problem as well with Shirou tracing Devices. From what we've seen, devices use a huge amount of mana in order to work. Shirou's mana capacity as far as we know isn't all that great compared to many others. Even if he could recreate Raising Heart via tracing and it was obedient to him, he might not have enough mana to fight like Nanoha who uses an insane amount of energy even by TSAB standards.

Cartridges would help ease with the burden certainly, but in terms of base capacity he's simply not as powerful as most people so far as we know. In other words, it simply might not be worth the prana cost to trace one in the first place.

Then again... If he were to trace Stratos or Mach Calibur instead, devices that were used by mages who were initially only B class, whom seem to use less overall in terms of mana, it might not be such a waste, though he doesn't gain nearly as many flashy tricks as if he were to control Raging Heart, Bardiche, Levantine, or Graff Eisen.

 

[shioran toushin]

so even if he can trace them they would be mostly worthless or unusable (unless there are specific situations i suppose)

 

[Elvarein]

There's another problem as well with Shirou tracing Devices. From what we've seen, devices use a huge amount of mana in order to work. Shirou's mana capacity as far as we know isn't all that great compared to many others. Even if he could recreate Raising Heart via tracing and it was obedient to him, he might not have enough mana to fight like Nanoha who uses an insane amount of energy even by TSAB standards.

Cartridges would help ease with the burden certainly, but in terms of base capacity he's simply not as powerful as most people so far as we know. In other words, it simply might not be worth the prana cost to trace one in the first place.

Then again... If he were to trace Stratos or Mach Calibur instead, devices that were used by mages who were initially only B class, whom seem to use less overall in terms of mana, it might not be such a waste, though he doesn't gain nearly as many flashy tricks as if he were to control Raging Heart, Bardiche, Levantine, or Graff Eisen.

In a nutshell, Shirou's key problem with mana is that he was not using his circuits correctly and instead of channeling through them created a new one using his nerves everytime he attempted a spell. Thus his actual circuits detiorated to the point that it was super inefficient.

If he was raised to use mana from young, he would not have such a problem and in fact has a greater than average number of circuits when compared to the average Nasu Mage though not as many as Rin.

However, the key problem is that his ability to trace and all we know of his magic seems to come from his Origin as Swords and that is the key reason he cannot recreate devices.

 

[Garahs]

How is Rin going to summon EMIYA? I don't believe just using the locket would work the same if it didn't gain the connection to Shirou. And Rin doesn't know him so she wouldn't use it to heal some random bypasser.

Unless I'm getting something wrong.

 

[HiddenCyan]

Oh god... A SENTIENT reality marble... That idea both thrills and horrifies me beyond measure.

They're called zanpakuto's. No, really, one of the major requirements for bankai is explicitly stated to be materializing a piece of your inner world, right?

 

[ItsaRandomUsername]

How is Rin going to summon EMIYA? I don't believe just using the locket would work the same if it didn't gain the connection to Shirou. And Rin doesn't know him so she wouldn't use it to heal some random bypasser.

Unless I'm getting something wrong.

The pendant bears a connection to A SHIROU, and since Counter Guardian EMIYA is in the Throne of Heroes (which sits outside of time and space), I have no doubt that as long as she uses the necklace as a catalyst it will call him forth.

Otherwise, how do you explain Archer getting summoned in all three routes when we know for a fact that he is not from any of them?

Oh GOD, Archer theories and PARADOXES are gonna be swarming the thread now that I've said this. ;C;
NOOO!

 

[Cyberbeta]

No, Professor Paradox will pop in from the Ben 10 universe to keep that from happening.

But yeah Emiya will be wondering where this timeline went wrong almost from the getgo bossman. How you handle that will be the kicker.

 

[ItsaRandomUsername]

A thought occurred to me...

If Shirou has sex with Signum when she's Unisoned with Agito, does that count as a three-some?

 

[ringlhach]

... Um, probably, technically, unless one of them pulls a Reinforce and overwhelms the other's consciousness. It might even be a little rape-y, depending on just what's going on and the like.

 

[ItsaRandomUsername]

You mean like an angry, sexually-frustrated Agito taking it out on Shirou using Signum's body?

Oddly....hot.

But implausible, sadly. Reinforce could only do that because she had issues back then with being nameless.

 

[zeebee1]

No, it's two people and a voyeur.

 

[Jorlem]

I can't vouch for how accurate this is, as I don't have the booklets that came with the Japanese DVDs, but according to the Nanoha wiki, the risk of being possessed by a Unison Device is one of the main reasons that they aren't widely used. There's even a term specifically for when this occurs, so it can't be unique to Reinforce.

(Why don't they ever sell the extra stuff outside of Japan? Them and their DVD inserts, and movie booklets, and Final Mixes... Grumble grumble...)

 

[Dudethunder]

(Why don't they ever sell the extra stuff outside of Japan? Them and their DVD inserts, and movie booklets, and Final Mixes... Grumble grumble...)

Because there aren't enough people who are willing to accept being called weaboos for buying the stuff here in America? Some companies seem to hate selling things to foreigners as well.