Ranma ½ Zero Interface

[Black Dragon74]

IMO Ranma was too hard on Guiche. He isn't nearly so aggressive when he meets Kuno for the first time, and Kuno pretty much attacked him out of nowhere in pursuit of Ranma's new fiancee. I think Tony has a point in not toeing the canon line too closely; this reeked of cheap pretext.
I do like Ranma's falling in with the servants though.

I question the assumed dynamics of Saito when it comes to women. I hear often enough that he's a "horndog", but only by the standards of typical male leads in anime romcoms; the sex drives of characters like Ranma or Tenchi are more appropriate for monks than teenagers who simply have better things to do than date.
Saito strikes me as something approaching normalcy, although I'm sure most people would be far quicker in his place to take advantage of all the willing young ladies.

 

[shioran toushin]

actually Ranma's body is his tool of choice, that counts as a weapon no?
and Saito is an idiot, a little bit on the jerk side, but apart from that he is quite normal for a teenager

 

[Black Dragon74]

actually Ranma's body is his tool of choice, that counts as a weapon no?
and Saito is an idiot, a little bit on the jerk side, but apart from that he is quite normal for a teenager

I kind of like that jerk side of him. It adds a little bit of depth to a character who is otherwise completely swept along by the events around him. Not that I found FoZ to be that great, but if he was a plain goody-two-shoes or more servile than he already was I would have found it unworthy of my time.

 

[Tsuki_CB]

It's not that it doesn't make him interesting it's just that it...well makes him come off as a social retard. Remember Saito comes from the land of moon speak which, if what I know is true, is a little stiffer in it's social roles and niceties then most western countries, and even if it's not true you don't need to be all THAT intelligent to realize that suggesting that the best way to get tips is to show your tits to customers is NOT something you say to a girl who has grown up in higher station type of life. I secretly think Saito is a masochist and gets his rocks off from being beaten by Louise.

 

[Black Dragon74]

It's not that it doesn't make him interesting it's just that it...well makes him come off as a social retard. Remember Saito comes from the land of moon speak which, if what I know is true, is a little stiffer in it's social roles and niceties then most western countries, and even if it's not true you don't need to be all THAT intelligent to realize that suggesting that the best way to get tips is to show your tits to customers is NOT something you say to a girl who has grown up in higher station type of life. I secretly think Saito is a masochist and gets his rocks off from being beaten by Louise.

Maybe he is a social retard; for all we know he spent his pre-familiar days locked in his parents' basement watching loli hentai or playing dating sims (that would explain why he wears the same exact sweatshirt ALL the time). Frankly, I think he adjusts more than well enough to being sent into a medieval land to live as a generally mistreated and curiously popular combat slave.
If he were to react to the social situations any more intelligently, honestly it would only make the series less entertaining.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be a masochist; it would explain how quickly he took to the familiar thing.

 

[Belgarion213]

Well that, and apparently there was drug based mind control in the familiar bond as well, in that it basically MADE him content with it, at least IIRC.

 

[Muramasa]

After rereading that scene, IMO the only point Ranma went too far was when he flipped off Guiche. That seemed a bit out of character. Probably should be replaced with either a few minor insults or some blatant snubbing to set Guiche off.

 

[FinalMax]

It's not that it doesn't make him interesting it's just that it...well makes him come off as a social retard. Remember Saito comes from the land of moon speak which, if what I know is true, is a little stiffer in it's social roles and niceties then most western countries, and even if it's not true you don't need to be all THAT intelligent to realize that suggesting that the best way to get tips is to show your tits to customers is NOT something you say to a girl who has grown up in higher station type of life. I secretly think Saito is a masochist and gets his rocks off from being beaten by Louise.

Maybe he is a social retard; for all we know he spent his pre-familiar days locked in his parents' basement watching loli hentai or playing dating sims (that would explain why he wears the same exact sweatshirt ALL the time). Frankly, I think he adjusts more than well enough to being sent into a medieval land to live as a generally mistreated and curiously popular combat slave.
If he were to react to the social situations any more intelligently, honestly it would only make the series less entertaining.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be a masochist; it would explain how quickly he took to the familiar thing.

It was pretty clearly said in the introductory chapter of the light novels that Saito was considered by many to be "rather slow." There actually might be something to that thought. An average person like that in some parts of the world would be considered a candidate for special education, or immediately placed more for vocational training rather than college. Being too normal, unfortunately, is more suspicious than being unusually strange.

 

[Black Dragon74]

After rereading that scene, IMO the only point Ranma went too far was when he flipped off Guiche. That seemed a bit out of character. Probably should be replaced with either a few minor insults or some blatant snubbing to set Guiche off.

It just seems odd to me that Guiche pisses off Ranma so easily, almost inherently; a womanizer's rantings hardly seems worthy of his attention, and here he almost seems to be looking for trouble. It simply sits in stark contrast to the closest applicable canon behavior, which I would say is his first meeting with Kuno.
It could be that this is deliberate, that you're trying to set up Ranma as an opponent of the entire noble/commoner caste system, but otherwise it stands out as unusual to me.
I would recommend making Ranma more apathetic about the entire encounter, and have Guiche be the one dismissed out of hand. If you feel that there needs to be more reason to teach the commoner his place, you can always have Ranma pull a snappy one-liner or eat Guiche's cake.

 

[Tonyloco]

After rereading that scene, IMO the only point Ranma went too far was when he flipped off Guiche.á That seemed a bit out of character. Probably should be replaced with either a few minor insults or some blatant snubbing to set Guiche off.

It just seems odd to me that Guiche pisses off Ranma so easily, almost inherently; a womanizer's rantings hardly seems worthy of his attention, and here he almost seems to be looking for trouble. It simply sits in stark contrast to the closest applicable canon behavior, which I would say is his first meeting with Kuno.
It could be that this is deliberate, that you're trying to set up Ranma as an opponent of the entire noble/commoner caste system, but otherwise it stands out as unusual to me.
I would recommend making Ranma more apathetic about the entire encounter, and have Guiche be the one dismissed out of hand. If you feel that there needs to be more reason to teach the commoner his place, you can always have Ranma pull a snappy one-liner or eat Guiche's cake.

While I do also think that Ranma overreacted, you have to remember that guiche like many nobles can be very snobbish and Ranma isn't exactly the most civilized or tactful guy around.

But if you want to have an easy excuse how about this.

Have the girls discover that Guiche is trying to two time them with Ranma talking to them regarding the perfume or the love letters if you want, and when they start dishing him out Ranma comes along offering the ladies cakes (to calm them down) and ignoring Guiche, so he tries to impress them by lording the Commoner/Familiar and also use the scene to make them forget or ignore the two timing incident.

It would make a lot more sense, specially if he notices that his 2 girls are suddenly more interested in the less refined but more alpha male type guy offering them cakes with a smile and ignoring him as if he's the retard son of a noble.

 

[Revan]

After rereading that scene, IMO the only point Ranma went too far was when he flipped off Guiche.? That seemed a bit out of character. Probably should be replaced with either a few minor insults or some blatant snubbing to set Guiche off.

It just seems odd to me that Guiche pisses off Ranma so easily, almost inherently; a womanizer's rantings hardly seems worthy of his attention, and here he almost seems to be looking for trouble. It simply sits in stark contrast to the closest applicable canon behavior, which I would say is his first meeting with Kuno.
It could be that this is deliberate, that you're trying to set up Ranma as an opponent of the entire noble/commoner caste system, but otherwise it stands out as unusual to me.
I would recommend making Ranma more apathetic about the entire encounter, and have Guiche be the one dismissed out of hand. If you feel that there needs to be more reason to teach the commoner his place, you can always have Ranma pull a snappy one-liner or eat Guiche's cake.

That, or have Ranma deciding that beating the snot out of some Kuno-esque puke will be good stress relief for all the weird shit that's happened to him over the last day or so.

 

[Ura Mamoru]

After rereading that scene, IMO the only point Ranma went too far was when he flipped off Guiche.á That seemed a bit out of character. Probably should be replaced with either a few minor insults or some blatant snubbing to set Guiche off.

It just seems odd to me that Guiche pisses off Ranma so easily, almost inherently; a womanizer's rantings hardly seems worthy of his attention, and here he almost seems to be looking for trouble. It simply sits in stark contrast to the closest applicable canon behavior, which I would say is his first meeting with Kuno.
It could be that this is deliberate, that you're trying to set up Ranma as an opponent of the entire noble/commoner caste system, but otherwise it stands out as unusual to me.
I would recommend making Ranma more apathetic about the entire encounter, and have Guiche be the one dismissed out of hand. If you feel that there needs to be more reason to teach the commoner his place, you can always have Ranma pull a snappy one-liner or eat Guiche's cake.

That, or have Ranma deciding that beating the snot out of some Kuno-esque puke will be good stress relief for all the weird shit that's happened to him over the last day or so.

Looking back, Ranma was summoned before his first day at Furinkan (and therefore, before he ever met Kuno), so associating Guiche with Kuno won't really work.

 

[Tonyloco]

Like I said in this care it's easier to have Guiche start it with some comment, attitude or jealousy and Ranma striking back with one of his specialties, pissing people off. :lol:

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

After rereading that scene, IMO the only point Ranma went too far was when he flipped off Guiche.?á That seemed a bit out of character. Probably should be replaced with either a few minor insults or some blatant snubbing to set Guiche off.

It just seems odd to me that Guiche pisses off Ranma so easily, almost inherently; a womanizer's rantings hardly seems worthy of his attention, and here he almost seems to be looking for trouble. It simply sits in stark contrast to the closest applicable canon behavior, which I would say is his first meeting with Kuno.
It could be that this is deliberate, that you're trying to set up Ranma as an opponent of the entire noble/commoner caste system, but otherwise it stands out as unusual to me.
I would recommend making Ranma more apathetic about the entire encounter, and have Guiche be the one dismissed out of hand. If you feel that there needs to be more reason to teach the commoner his place, you can always have Ranma pull a snappy one-liner or eat Guiche's cake.

That, or have Ranma deciding that beating the snot out of some Kuno-esque puke will be good stress relief for all the weird shit that's happened to him over the last day or so.

He hasn't met Kuno yet, though the thought still stands. It has been stressful even if he doesn't show it he has to be a little stressed over being summoned to another demention.

An alternate way to start the fight might be that Ranma never noticed the bottle fall in his path and step on it or somehow get it on him. Guiche notices the sent but can't quite place it. That is until he sees Monmon descreetly pull him away with a blush(to question him about why he's wearing her perfume). He than challenges Ranma to a duel for his lady-friend's heart.

 

[Crusader]

I wonder if it is necessary for Ranma to use the M72 LAW to destroy that golem for plot development considering that like Ryouga he is physically strong enough to punch holes into concrete and shatter rocks with his own hands if you take into consideration that he was easily able to lift Ryouga's umbrella with one arm.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

I wonder if it is necessary for Ranma to use the M72 LAW to destroy that golem for plot development considering that like Ryouga he is physically strong enough to punch holes into concrete and shatter rocks with his own hands if you take into consideration that he was easily able to lift Ryouga's umbrella with one arm.

Well that much rock would weigh several dozen tons rather than the hundred or so pounds the umbrella probably was. The golem could heal IIRC so that means that it is unlikely that any damage he does to it would mater as it would heal as fast as he can hurt it. Remember he doesn't have any masive damage finishing moves to 1hit KO it.

 

[Crusader]

I wonder if it is necessary for Ranma to use the M72 LAW to destroy that golem for plot development considering that like Ryouga he is physically strong enough to punch holes into concrete and shatter rocks with his own hands if you take into consideration that he was easily able to lift Ryouga's umbrella with one arm.

Well that much rock would weigh several dozen tons rather than the hundred or so pounds the umbrella probably was. The golem could heal IIRC so that means that it is unlikely that any damage he does to it would mater as it would heal as fast as he can hurt it. Remember he doesn't have any masive damage finishing moves to 1hit KO it.

When you mentioned weight it made me wonder what magic Fouquet uses to alleviate all the ground pressure that golem must have in order to not have it sink into soft terrain like the Tristain Academy grounds or get bogged down in a swamp.

 

[EspyLacopa]

I wonder if it is necessary for Ranma to use the M72 LAW to destroy that golem for plot development considering that like Ryouga he is physically strong enough to punch holes into concrete and shatter rocks with his own hands if you take into consideration that he was easily able to lift Ryouga's umbrella with one arm.

Well that much rock would weigh several dozen tons rather than the hundred or so pounds the umbrella probably was. The golem could heal IIRC so that means that it is unlikely that any damage he does to it would mater as it would heal as fast as he can hurt it. Remember he doesn't have any masive damage finishing moves to 1hit KO it.

When you mentioned weight it made me wonder what magic Fouquet uses to alleviate all the ground pressure that golem must have in order to not have it sink into soft terrain like the Tristain Academy grounds or get bogged down in a swamp.

Same reason Elephants don't sink. It has very big feet.

 

[Dumbledork]

I wonder if it is necessary for Ranma to use the M72 LAW to destroy that golem for plot development considering that like Ryouga he is physically strong enough to punch holes into concrete and shatter rocks with his own hands if you take into consideration that he was easily able to lift Ryouga's umbrella with one arm.

Why does he need to target the golem. He should just knock out the mage and the golem will be history anyway.

 

[Crusader]

When you mentioned weight it made me wonder what magic Fouquet uses to alleviate all the ground pressure that golem must have in order to not have it sink into soft terrain like the Tristain Academy grounds or get bogged down in a swamp.

Same reason Elephants don't sink. It has very big feet.

But don't they also have four feet as well, distributing ground pressure between all four, while the golem is only bipedal making it so that the ground pressure is more focused on its two feet?

Why does he need to target the golem. He should just knock out the mage and the golem will be history anyway.

If Ranma's been reading CTB and SSOC comic books he probably knows that knocking out or killing the conjurer is an advisable tactic

 

[Dumbledork]

CTB and SSOC

:hmm: :huh.:

 

[Crusader]

CTB and SSOC

:hmm: :huh.:

Sorry it's acronyms for Conan the Barbarian and Savage Sword of Conan.

 

[JLF65]

I don't think Ranma overreacted at all. Remember that the first time Ranma met Kuno, he wrote "idiot" in bruises on Kuno's forehead merely for annoying him on his way into the school. In this case, Guiche insulted Ranma a number of times, and tried to blame him for the problem with the girls. Ranma would easily be pissed off at him, and the first time Kuno actually pissed off Ranma, he wound up unconscious with a footprint on each chakra point going up his body where Ranma kicked him so fast no one saw exactly what Ranma did.

 

[lcpoketoon]

I don't think Ranma overreacted at all. Remember that the first time Ranma met Kuno, he wrote "idiot" in bruises on Kuno's forehead merely for annoying him on his way into the school. In this case, Guiche insulted Ranma a number of times, and tried to blame him for the problem with the girls. Ranma would easily be pissed off at him, and the first time Kuno actually pissed off Ranma, he wound up unconscious with a footprint on each chakra point going up his body where Ranma kicked him so fast no one saw exactly what Ranma did.

Yeah but the diffrence being that Kuno is able too take that kind of beating while Guiche as far as Ranma can tell would snap like a twig from one hit. for all that Kuno is a moron he's still had training an built up his enduance and toughtness that he can handle the punishments dished out onto him.

I can more see Ranma useing this duel too get a idea on how mages fight. Most likely he will be less then impressed after he smashes a few of the golems too bits.

 

[JLF65]

I don't think Ranma overreacted at all. Remember that the first time Ranma met Kuno, he wrote "idiot" in bruises on Kuno's forehead merely for annoying him on his way into the school. In this case, Guiche insulted Ranma a number of times, and tried to blame him for the problem with the girls. Ranma would easily be pissed off at him, and the first time Kuno actually pissed off Ranma, he wound up unconscious with a footprint on each chakra point going up his body where Ranma kicked him so fast no one saw exactly what Ranma did.

Yeah but the diffrence being that Kuno is able too take that kind of beating while Guiche as far as Ranma can tell would snap like a twig from one hit. for all that Kuno is a moron he's still had training an built up his enduance and toughtness that he can handle the punishments dished out onto him.

I can more see Ranma useing this duel too get a idea on how mages fight. Most likely he will be less then impressed after he smashes a few of the golems too bits.

True, but that just means Ranma will go easier on him in the upcoming fight. Ranma usually holds back in all his fights just to 1) get a take on his opponent's level, and 2) see if they have anything he hasn't seen before that he can use himself. He holds back enough that sometimes he'll even lose the first round or two, depending on how good they are, and how quick he can come up with counters.

So I'm not saying the fight with Guiche will be anything like his fights with Kuno, just that he wasn't overreacting to Guiche in the previous chapter.