Bleach [Bleach]Manga thoughts

Innortal

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I just read the latest translation about Chad's true power.

Talk about a plot twist.

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Fosfor

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Innortal said:
I just read the latest translation about Chad's true power.

Talk about a plot twist.
Heh. The guy is freaking unbelieveable. The question is WHAT exactly is he? THe 'power akin to yours (arrancar) and the fact that his 'shield arm' has the fnaged mouth of a hollow on it... What is he. some kind of living arrancar equivalent?

Now Orihime interests me even more... If her power is, like Aizen suspects, 'negation of the will of the God' does that mean, in a sense, that Orihime is actually the 'closest being to God'? IE something that Aizen wants to become? That would mean that SHE is either the O-tenkagi or incarnation of a god in some way.

Cool.

What I'd like to see is the Arrancar realising this and making Orihime the Hueco Mundo boss, since she would be basically incarnation of power to them in more ways that Aizen is.

Now THAT would be a plot twist.
 

MC80a Liberty

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Would you mind telling me where I might find said translation? :(
T'would be greatly appreciated.
 

SimmyC

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#5
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If you want to read them online, you could go here.

http://www.bleachexile.com/bleach-online/

Be warned though, there will be pop ups even with pop up blockers on. Why? Because they get around it by using Javascript. <_< You can get rid of the popups by disabling Javascript, but then you would have to enable it to, for example, use FFN where it is required.

Now, if you want to download it... AND even be MORE up to date than the previous site (since the previous site only puts the newest one... a few days after the release).

http://www.bleach7.com/

Have to be a member though. Registration is free I think.
 

SoftRogue

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Fosfor said:
Innortal said:
I just read the latest translation about Chad's true power.

Talk about a plot twist.
Heh. The guy is freaking unbelieveable. The question is WHAT exactly is he? THe 'power akin to yours (arrancar) and the fact that his 'shield arm' has the fnaged mouth of a hollow on it... What is he. some kind of living arrancar equivalent?
Thinking about it, I have an idea. Ichigo is basicly a human/shinigami hybrid (one parent a human while the other is a shinigami). What if Chad is a human/hollow hybrid?

It would make sence, in a way. Truthfully, the one wtf thing that constantly crosses my mind is why is everyhing that is related to hollows is in spanish? And since Chad is part Mexican (which I've never seen in manga/anime. Black, yea, but Mexican?)

1 + 1 is starting to look like 2.

Now Orihime interests me even more... If her power is, like Aizen suspects, 'negation of the will of the God' does that mean, in a sense, that Orihime is actually the 'closest being to God'? IE something that Aizen wants to become? That would mean that SHE is either the O-tenkagi or incarnation of a god in some way.
The one thing going through my mind is actually what the hell is Aizen planning? He basicly tells Orihime what her powers can do (recreate something thats been compleatly destroyed or make something that exists no longer exist) then he shows her the Hougyuku?

Would you mind telling me where I might find said translation?
Many places; normaly, though, I look for my scanlations here. They have a lot of scanlations of different series and they update almost daily.
 
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SoftRogue said:
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Now Orihime interests me even more... If her power is, like Aizen suspects, 'negation of the will of the God' does that mean, in a sense, that Orihime is actually the 'closest being to God'? IE something that Aizen wants to become? That would mean that SHE is either the O-tenkagi or incarnation of a god in some way.
The one thing going through my mind is actually what the hell is Aizen planning? He basicly tells Orihime what her powers can do (recreate something thats been compleatly destroyed or make something that exists no longer exist) then he shows her the
Hougyuku?
Am I the only one that suspects that Aizen wants her to do that? I mean, he really doesn't strike me as the gloating type.

Would you mind telling me where I might find said translation?
I tend to go for this site. Although they've been somewhat lacking in comparison to Bleach7 lately...
 

Jakkun

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If you use irc, Got Lurk? is a great source. Search the database for what you want and download it in their channel. Basically, if it was released, they have it.

I don't think Hollows can breed with humans, but I suppose it is possible. Maybe an Arrancar or something, but not a standard hollow. It did always irk me that he only had one special arm, glad they took care of that. Since his right arm is a shield now, does that mean he is left handed? Typically you attack with your main hand and defend with your off hand.
 

Mechatrill

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Hey hey, Chad has a very defensive/pacifist mindset, so it makes much more sense if he defends with his main hand and attacks with his off hand.
 
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Jakkun said:
I don't think Hollows can breed with humans, but I suppose it is possible. Maybe an Arrancar or something, but not a standard hollow.
Frankly, we don't know what they're capable of, nor Shinigami. Truth be told, there could be a bunch of Hollow/human hybrids running around. :blink: And they get wind of Chad like Ichigo and the Vizard. Hoo boy.

That being said, I don't see the lower class hollows indulging in the pleasures of the flesh at all, while the higher classes merely are unlikely.

[Edit]:

Hey, hey, Chad has a very defensive/pacifist mindset, so it makes much more sense if he defends with his main hand and attacks with his off hand.
:huh: Thats actually...a very good point. Hmm. I hadn't thought of that.
 

Jakkun

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I just don't see how they could do it. They can't really interact with them like that. Though it's been a while since I've read any parts where they get a chance. I suppose they could ghost rape someone, but it doesn't seem likely. A basic hollow would probably be too weak, and wouldn't care, just eat people. The advanced types could work though.
 

Innortal

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#12
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Also another possibility: her powers are enhanced from her exposure to Ichigo, but Orihime's powers were also part of the Orb. He hopes that if she tries to erase it from existence, it will return her powers to it.
 
#13
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Gotta remember, Chad only said that his powers were similar to those of the Arrancar and Hollows.

It's like saying that the Quincy, who were people that simply learned to control and harness their reiatsu, are like the Shingami.

I rather thought the splitting of names was rather ingenious. Sets the Arrancar apart from the people they're trying to eat and slaughter. Maybe back in the day, some Mayans caught a Hollow and tried to put its powers into a human.

..which would make a kick ass story.
 

Fosfor

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Preventer Squall said:
Gotta remember, Chad only said that his powers were similar to those of the Arrancar and Hollows.

It's like saying that the Quincy, who were people that simply learned to control and harness their reiatsu, are like the Shingami.
Quincy don't harness their own reaitsu - their power is directly opposite, in fact. They CONTROL reishi (spirit particles) in the environment and use them to fight. Shinigami powers are completely internal - the whole idea behind the zanpakuto proves that, since it is basically essence of their inner self/soul/spirit/whatever 'given flesh' so to speak. The only thing that doesn't fit that idea would be the Kido arts. Just WHY would the shinigami need to verbalise the kido chants? For zanpakuto it makes kind of sense, but why Kido?

I toyed with the idea and it might be because Kido aren't as 'internal' as Zanpakuto is. In fact, Kido might be some kind of summoning or something like it, where Shinigami use words to summon some kind of spirit and give their reiatsu as 'payment' for services rendered. Notice how all the chants we know of imply that they DO call on someting specific, so it might be plausible. And there is the whole thing about how even Aizen, who is suggested to be the ultimate master of all shinigami arts, has his kido spell cut to 1/3 of it's effectivness when he doesn't use the verbal command. Notice that Ichigo learns from Zangetsu and Urahara that knowing/calling and not knowing the name of Getsuga Tenshou makes a huge difference in the power of the attack.

Those might be related in some way.
 

toraneko

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With the zanpakutou, knowing the name of your blade is (literally) knowing a part of yourself deeper. Thus, by calling it out, shinigami focus on that part of themselves, resulting in greater power.

As for kido, I think those nonsensical chants are a form of self-hypnosis. The fact that not saying them aloud reduces the kido's effectiveness follows that; if the chant isn't spoken aloud, one of the senses (hearing) isn't involved in the self-hypnosis.
Think of it similarly to a kiai shout in martial arts. They're not necessary, but they do have an effect.

As for Chad's power being "similar to the Arrancar"... I can kind of see why. At the very least, it does share one similarity: Arrancar release their power by way of changing their bodies in some manner, which Chad does. I have to wonder if it goes any further than that.

I like the symbolism of the "Left Arm of the Devil". His main hand is his shield, reflecting his belief that stopping violence is the most important thing. Attacking is a forbidden thing, except when Chad is defending his friends. So, realizing that helping his friends requires him to go on the offensive, he has "made a deal with the Devil", in a sense.

Also, here's an odd note for those who didn't know this: In Latin, the word for "left hand" is "Sinister".
 
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Fosfor said:
Preventer Squall said:
Gotta remember, Chad only said that his powers were similar to those of the Arrancar and Hollows.

It's like saying that the Quincy, who were people that simply learned to control and harness their reiatsu, are like the Shingami.
Quincy don't harness their own reaitsu - their power is directly opposite, in fact. They CONTROL reishi (spirit particles) in the environment and use them to fight. Shinigami powers are completely internal - the whole idea behind the zanpakuto proves that, since it is basically essence of their inner self/soul/spirit/whatever 'given flesh' so to speak.
Thank you for correcting my incorrect statement. Guess I got alittle off on that one, didn't I? :sweat:
 

MC80a Liberty

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SimmyC said:
If you want to read them online, you could go here.

http://www.bleachexile.com/bleach-online/

Be warned though, there will be pop ups even with pop up blockers on. Why? Because they get around it by using Javascript. <_< You can get rid of the popups by disabling Javascript, but then you would have to enable it to, for example, use FFN where it is required.

Now, if you want to download it... AND even be MORE up to date than the previous site (since the previous site only puts the newest one... a few days after the release).

http://www.bleach7.com/

Have to be a member though. Registration is free I think.
Thanks.
 

Belgarion213

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While not directly related, I thought I should post this here rather than start a new thread. I have recently been re-watching the Bleach anime and I came upon a question. I am not sure if it is answered in future versions of the anime/Manga, so I will throw it out here. Chad and Inou both have powered developed after their close proximety to the enourmess spirt power that Ichigo releases. However they are Shiganami. If Chad or Inou fight a hollow do they completly destroy them, aka the quincy, or do they purify them aka the Shiganami.
Thanks in advance to any replys to this question.
 

zeebee1

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I would guess that they would kill the Hollow, but not destroy it. As far as I know the reason that the Quincy destroy Hollows is that they made sure that their powers targeted the soul. Chad and Orihime would probably destroy the Hollow's body but leave its spirit intact. At that point it would just a disembodied spirit. It should be pointed out that as far as I know neither of their powers are spiritual in nature, so there attacks would have a different effect than normal. But if you want to confirm any of this they have killed Hollows. Just check the episodes were they manifested their powers for clues.
 

Innortal

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It's something they never answer in the anime.
 

SimmyC

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And they haven't really answered it in the mangas either 'yet'. While they did fight with Hollows when their powers were first manifested, it was never explained what happened to said Hollows either. My guess maybe that they destroyed them, but it was one of those things that, at the moment at least, was left hanging.

Oh yeah, and neither Chad or Inoue are Shinigami. They may 'side' with them, but they not 'them'.
 

Jakkun

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Inoue can probably reverse them back to pre-hollow form. She might be able to revive them, but not likely since that would require a body too.

Since Tatsuki is starting to see hollows and shinigami, is she going to get abilities too? Is anyone else going to?
 

raedric

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If you ask me, Tatsuki has the potential to be more powerful than Orihime OR Chad...Think about it. Their powers were awakened by being near Ichigo, the human fountain of Reiatsu....Now who was his earliest childhood friend? B)
 
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raedric said:
If you ask me, Tatsuki has the potential to be more powerful than Orihime OR Chad...Think about it. Their powers were awakened by being near Ichigo, the human fountain of Reiatsu....Now who was his earliest childhood friend? B)
That would be frickin' awesome, but I thought that it was being near his shinigami form that had the viral effect on them?
 

raedric

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Revanant Dragoon said:
raedric said:
If you ask me, Tatsuki has the potential to be more powerful than Orihime OR Chad...Think about it. Their powers were awakened by being near Ichigo, the human fountain of Reiatsu....Now who was his earliest childhood friend?? B)
That would be frickin' awesome, but I thought that it was being near his shinigami form that had the viral effect on them?
That is a possibility, but it wasn't ever explicitly stated. Not to mention in the very first chapter they showed he had powerful spirit energy, and that he couldn't shut it off. It seems likely to me that he had been overflowing with Reiatsu his entire life, and it only served as a trigger for others.

Until the series started, it showed that Ichigo kept to himself a lot, to show off his "cool" nature. His skills triggered Chads and Orihimes...(Remember, Chad managed to punch a hollow even before being around Shinigami Ichigo. I don't know if that's even possible for a normal human, much less hitting that hard and ripping telephone poles out of the ground.) It doesn't seem like much of a stretch for me.
 
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