Bleach Bleach questions thread

[seitora]

I was going to say Yachiru was around 100 years at least, but looking through Turn Back the Pendulum all it does is make a mention of the old Kenpachi, so presumably Zaraki showed up after the Visoreds left

Too bad we couldn't have <a href='http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/061/a/5/a5cde44b6450227d3faa23834d72aed8.png' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this Yachiru</a> (this picture stolen out of the Random Ideas topic) instead

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Yeah that was confirmed a while back. We actually have a picture of the last Kenpachi, who was someone completely different.

 

[zeebee1]

Do you really count that crappy novel? It's sort of like counting video game villains just because Kubo says so.

 

[seitora]

You could always count Bleach: The 3rd Phantom but that would require more than a couple dozen people to have played it (then again, going off of GameFAQs, it seems to have at least modest popularity still).

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Do you really count that crappy novel? It's sort of like counting video game villains just because Kubo says so.

No, that crappy novel covered the 7th and 8th Kenpachi's. Ours is the 10th or so. I'm talking about the databook, which showed all the captains back 100 years ago along with their vice captains. One of which notably looked like Tsukishima, but was actually Hanatarou's brother. You probably remember the image in question, though it was a while ago.

 

[Knyght]

 

[seitora]

Rose's old lieutenant is...holy shit.

Even in that picture Mashiro is still fucking awesome :3

Also, there's one division missing, but I can't tell. The top picture third from the left, is that old 7th division guys or 10th division?

Also, am I the only one who thinks the old Kenpachi looks a lot like Yammy? Minus the hair and skin colour, he has the same angry-slanted eyes, the same hardcore eyebrows, big cheeks, and (if Yammy didn't have his Hollow Mask on) immense chins.

 

[Knyght]

Love was the 7th division captain. I think the missing division is the 10th since they were apparently without a captain before Hitsugaya.

EDIT: Would be a strange turn of events if the Kenpachi Zaraki killed later became Yammy. Not sure how that would work.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Yeah it's 10th, which was specifically stated to be missing the captain at the time. There was an interview that stated that something important happened in regards to this, in terms of both the previous captain and the previous vice captain of the tenth, and that they would likely play important roles later.

Though with the series ending that seems unlikely to come up again. Regardless the most popular theory is that the previous captain was Isshin and the previous vice was Kukaku, and the thing that happened likely involved the loss of Kukaku's arm.

Also it should be noted that the 3rd Vice back then was Iba's mom, who has been mentioned a few times. Similarly the 2nd Vice is Omaeda's Dad, and the 7th vice is the dad of the guy who is Ukitake's third seat alongside Isane's sister, you know those two who constantly annoy him. :snigger:

Obviously there's also Byakuya's dad and Hanatarou's brother there too.

 

[Knyght]

I hadn't heard that particular Isshin theory before. Interesting. :sisi:

 

[Knyght]

Can healing kido be used on someone with no spiritual power i.e. humans and regular souls? It's described a restoring reiatsu first and then using the patient's and medic's reiatsu to restore the body. Or would they simply skip a step and heal the body with the medic's reiatsu?

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

No real way to tell for sure without more information, but needless to say it's very likely they can.

 

[seitora]

What are the limits of Hollow regeneration, exactly? Purportedly it sounds like you basically need to kill a Hollow before you can get it to stop regenerating (though it can perhaps slow in regeneration), but Grimmjow losing his arm shows it's possible to lose a limb permanently minus Orihime-hax.

 

[wingthesword]

Isn't that because it was burned to ash by Tousen?

Because as seen with Yammi it's usually possible to reattach limbs, so he'd have to wait for it to grow back the slow way otherwise?

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Other than Pat (And Yammi, and Nnoitra, and Syzael, and Wonderwiess) none of the arrancar we saw had Regeneration. Grimmjaw in particular had no ability to heal his wounds at all, and that's why he lost an arm. Yammi's a bit weird since his 'regeneration' may be limited to his rage transformations and definitely doesn't apply at any point inbetween. Syzaels was also weird because his regenerations generally had special conditions, and couldn't activate without outside variables.

Nnoitra though could definitely regenerate arms and deep cuts on his own, though at a certain point he couldn't heal anymore. Wonderwiess outright needed to be atomized (or have his head removed) to be put down, as did the Arrancar Ishida fought.

I have no idea why Pat's in particular was so garbage, but apparently there are cases where regeneration is just absurdly weakened compared to 'THE HEADS THE ONLY THING THAT STICKS' others generally have. :mellow:

 

[seitora]

Isn't that because it was burned to ash by Tousen?

Because as seen with Yammi it's usually possible to reattach limbs, so he'd have to wait for it to grow back the slow way otherwise?

I think Tousen cauterised the wound as well, not sure.

But that's precisely the thing, regen is regen. Why would some guys have it and not others.

and why the hell do you guys call Ulqi Pat anyways :hmm:

 

[Knyght]

During Ikkaku's fight with Edorad, Yumichiki requested that a spatial freeze be put in place around each of the shinigami.

So what exactly was that meant to do?

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

From what I understand, it's meant to lesson the affect of massive Reiatsu release in an area to anything close by, and presumably helped to reduce the amount of damage they could do to their surroundings. Though admittedly this is conjecture on my part.

I'm also kind of stuck on the whole 'too much nearby reiatsu can awaken powers' because the whole IT WAS THE ORB INSTEAD twist is still moronically stupid and deserving of every bit of contempt I level at it. :angry:

 

[Knyght]

Hopefully it also protects the humans who probably get hurt during these conflicts. I figured that this spatial freeze might be similar to the <a href='http://shakugan.wikia.com/wiki/Fuzetsu' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Fuzetsu</a> of the Shakugan no Shana series, albeit not as effective and on a smaller scale.

And don't Aizen's delusions fool you, Omega. He just wanted to sound more important than he really was. :snigger:

Really, he's a self-confessed liar and there's no evidence that those abilities were because of wish, especially when every single one of the events that Aizen's accounts to the Hogyoku already had a perfectly reasonable explanation. I like to think that finally being able to "transcend" was having a negative impact on his psyche which became more and more apparent as the fight carried on. Hell, you could even say that because Aizen's own wish was granted (in a manner of speaking), he projected the concept onto every other event that took place around Hogyoku.

tl:dr Aizen's a liar who speaks bullshit and crazy. :sisi:

 

[seitora]

Kyoka Suigetsu only works its hypnosis if somebody sees the actual release of the shikai state, correct? If Aizen just shows up with his zanpakuto already released it doesn't do anything?

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Hard to say, would depend on the translation, which is up in the air. Regardless, it's going to be damned hard to avoid it no matter how you slice it, as shown against Barragon that release is instantaneous and given nothing obvious changes it'll be very easy to see it no matter how you slice it. :mellow:

 

[Knyght]

As I understand it, Aizen could release his zanpakuto in HM, walk into SS and be able to mess with the senses of anyone who had been hypnotised previously.

For someone not under hynopsis he'd have to seal it and release it again, presumably. Though with silent release and the lack of any noticeable, it'd be damned hard to tell whether you've been caught by it. I like to think he needs to say its name when using it on someone who hasn't seen it before but that could be wishful thinking.

 

[zeebee1]

That is wishful thinking. Once someone achieves Bankai they no longer need to use the release phrase.

 

[Knyght]

I figured it would be a quirk of Kyouka Suigetsu, similar to how Shunsui can't choose his games, forcing Aizen to do the full release to hypnotise someone new. Just something to make a tiny bit less broken, especially when every character seems to forget about silent release.

The only way Ichigo could have avoided to KS would have been to do a successful sneak attack or blind himself. And the shinigami's plan to prevent him using KS was remarkably pointless when they cantt' even tell when it's released.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Yeah it's almost like it would have been handy if Urahara had created a counter for KS in that 100 years he spent preparing as opposed to just coming up with two kido, the later of which only worked because Aizen Wanted to lose his powers for some asinine reason. Since, you know, Aizen came up with a counter for Ryuujinjakka in considerably less time. Would have certainly been better than Aizen just not using it 'just because' at the end there.

Hell, you could probably spin that concept where I had Ichigo be a giant gambit by Urahara to destabilize the orb and instead have Urahara specifically set up Ichigo's growth such that he had some kind of immunity to KS that Urahara engineered. Harder to spin since nothing he did implied any sort of immunity to illusions nor adaptation for lack of sight to avoid it altogether, but with proper development something potentially could have come about if set up right.

Maybe Ichigo's power fluctuations destabilizes reiatsu injection based attacks enough that KS cannot properly manipulate Ichigo's senses since it just fluctuates too much to keep a stable grip on him. Or something along those lines... :hmm: