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Because they weren't there at the inception of the Gotei 13 and became Captains when they took over for retiring or dead ones, the same as every other Captain. Kubo didn't make them 2nd and 3rd because the whole point is that the system is a lot older than 2000 years and despite their seniority, they're just Captains.
I really don't see the problem here.
I really don't see the problem here.
What exactly does it mean when Hitsugaya's power is described as immature? Is it no different than how Renji and Ichigo's bankai are"immature" when first used or something different?
Do we ever find out what's the deal with Hitsugaya's ice flowers? The only theory that gets brought is Shawlong's time limit, which doesn't make a lot of sense.
Would Hitsugaya's Hyoten Hyakkaso work within Soul Society since Seireitei has a giant barrier around it?
And to break the mould: Can shinigami/arrancar fly? Some of the fight sequences made it seem more like the fighters were actually flying instead of simply running and jumping on air. Admittedly, that might just be the anime's influence.
Do we ever find out what's the deal with Hitsugaya's ice flowers? The only theory that gets brought is Shawlong's time limit, which doesn't make a lot of sense.
Would Hitsugaya's Hyoten Hyakkaso work within Soul Society since Seireitei has a giant barrier around it?
And to break the mould: Can shinigami/arrancar fly? Some of the fight sequences made it seem more like the fighters were actually flying instead of simply running and jumping on air. Admittedly, that might just be the anime's influence.
Doesn't this answer itself? Being able to run and jump off of the air itself, when combined with their agility and strength, is effectively flying anyway. It's just semantics.
The fact Yoruichi's flying things exist though says that no they can't technically fly unassisted, and that said assisted flying is faster than simply running over the air, though probably less mobile.
The fact Yoruichi's flying things exist though says that no they can't technically fly unassisted, and that said assisted flying is faster than simply running over the air, though probably less mobile.
Actually in SS they notably can't walk on air at all. I have no idea why this is, certainly in HM they could walk on air whenever the hell they wanted save when someone (ie: YAMMI) was being an utter moron. Regardless the reason the flying things exist in SS is because without either the cloak or the wing thing standing on air isn't viable in that one realm.
This presumably ties in with the Strongest Ice Zan stuff, Hyourinmaru has the potential to be a lot stronger than it currently is, it's just that Hitsugaya can't control the power. The other two just technically haven't worked with their bankai's long enough to work out the kinks yet by comparison.
I do agree, it doesn't make sense for him to have a time limit when other much more recent bankai acquisitions like Renji don't, but as it's currently presented that's just the way it is. Initially I assumed it was a countdown to Hyorinmaru running completely bonkers, but considering Kubo said something along the lines of this time limit being removed I'd assume Shawlong's theory just happened to be right, little sense though it made.
Yes. Notably because it worked in FKT, which also had a giant barrier around it. One strong enough that even the Vizard with Hachi couldn't bust in without someone on the inside letting them. :snigger:
This presumably ties in with the Strongest Ice Zan stuff, Hyourinmaru has the potential to be a lot stronger than it currently is, it's just that Hitsugaya can't control the power. The other two just technically haven't worked with their bankai's long enough to work out the kinks yet by comparison.
I do agree, it doesn't make sense for him to have a time limit when other much more recent bankai acquisitions like Renji don't, but as it's currently presented that's just the way it is. Initially I assumed it was a countdown to Hyorinmaru running completely bonkers, but considering Kubo said something along the lines of this time limit being removed I'd assume Shawlong's theory just happened to be right, little sense though it made.
Yes. Notably because it worked in FKT, which also had a giant barrier around it. One strong enough that even the Vizard with Hachi couldn't bust in without someone on the inside letting them. :snigger:
I would think it has a bigger flaw because it's a way more powerful sword. Being inexperienced resulting in having a timelimit on how long you can sustain your awesome Bankai doesn't mean some other inexperienced guy is going to have a timelimit in sustaining his comparatively piece of shit Bankai *cough*Renji*cough*.
The fact it is removed with more experience indicates it's not a inbuilt function at all, and the flowers are to indicate to Hit how long he's got before it gives out on him due to his lack of ability at wielding it. The thing I find odd following this theory is that they're gigantic flowers placed behind him rather than some small indicator that he can instantly see. I can't understand why his sword would want his enemy to easily see it and not Hit. Maybe it's pissed that Hit is so shit at using it?
The fact it is removed with more experience indicates it's not a inbuilt function at all, and the flowers are to indicate to Hit how long he's got before it gives out on him due to his lack of ability at wielding it. The thing I find odd following this theory is that they're gigantic flowers placed behind him rather than some small indicator that he can instantly see. I can't understand why his sword would want his enemy to easily see it and not Hit. Maybe it's pissed that Hit is so shit at using it?
That's not the only issue with it, though it's a pretty big one. The second issue is the question of why there's a time limit in the first place. Keep in mind, the time resets whenever he pops out and back in of the thing, the Harribel->Aizen fight showcased that.
So it's not an issue of power as Shawlong given he had no chance to recover that between those two points. It being an issue of endurance also really doesn't make sense either given the general lack of recovery time too. It being too strong for him too doesn't really clarify why the bankai must drop after a certain amount of time passes, particularly if he can so easily reset it just by dropping in and out of the thing.
So it's not an issue of power as Shawlong given he had no chance to recover that between those two points. It being an issue of endurance also really doesn't make sense either given the general lack of recovery time too. It being too strong for him too doesn't really clarify why the bankai must drop after a certain amount of time passes, particularly if he can so easily reset it just by dropping in and out of the thing.
Kubo logic. Speaking of which.
I actually completely forgot about this. That makes no sense at all. Especially since Ichigo stands in the air in his fight with Byakuya. Another ability to attribute to "Ichigo's Bankai while it was super hax for that one fight but not after where it was suddenly shit".
I actually completely forgot about this. That makes no sense at all. Especially since Ichigo stands in the air in his fight with Byakuya. Another ability to attribute to "Ichigo's Bankai while it was super hax for that one fight but not after where it was suddenly shit".
The reason air-walking isn't possible in Soul Society is because of how the spiritual pressure of the barrier presses down on those within it. Presumably, either Ichigo put enough power into his spiritual stepping stones to prevent them from being weighed down, or he was so fast that he had already jumped off of them when they began falling.
Hmm, the main thing that confused me about Hitsugaya's time limit was because I've been under the impression that every bankai has a time limit, thus making the ice flowers redundant. Was that not right?
Then there's the fact that it has "crimson lotus" in the name so making it something that would eventually stop appearing doesn't seem right, it doesn't show up in the Luppi fight as far as I know and then there's Hitsugaya's comment about using Tenso Jurin now that half the flowers are gone. Just seems to pretty muddled altogether.
And hey look, <a href='http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/53-493.0/compressed/t016.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Juha's walking on air.</a> Perhaps walking on air within the barrier is just much harder than usual so it's seldom used. So that way the flying cloak would have been easier and faster for Ichigo to pull off his rescue rather than air walking.
Then there's the fact that it has "crimson lotus" in the name so making it something that would eventually stop appearing doesn't seem right, it doesn't show up in the Luppi fight as far as I know and then there's Hitsugaya's comment about using Tenso Jurin now that half the flowers are gone. Just seems to pretty muddled altogether.
And hey look, <a href='http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/53-493.0/compressed/t016.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Juha's walking on air.</a> Perhaps walking on air within the barrier is just much harder than usual so it's seldom used. So that way the flying cloak would have been easier and faster for Ichigo to pull off his rescue rather than air walking.
Presumably? Like I've said before, the Shawlong bit doesn't make a lot of sense. Kubo's been really inconsistent with the petals.
As for Quincygetsu, Quincy notably have a different means of movement than Shinigami, see Ishida's platform trick. Even their instant movement tech requires spirit particles to ferry their feet as opposed to any output of power. I find it easier to buy that than everyone can do it if they put enough power into it.
Because if that's the case there's no excuse at all for any of the group not to have been found almost immediately by people more than high level enough to kill them right off the bat. Among other numerous plot shenanigans I could go into. :sweat2:
As for Quincygetsu, Quincy notably have a different means of movement than Shinigami, see Ishida's platform trick. Even their instant movement tech requires spirit particles to ferry their feet as opposed to any output of power. I find it easier to buy that than everyone can do it if they put enough power into it.
Because if that's the case there's no excuse at all for any of the group not to have been found almost immediately by people more than high level enough to kill them right off the bat. Among other numerous plot shenanigans I could go into. :sweat2:
Shinigami and Quincy stand on the air the same way by using reishi as a platform. The only difference is that the Quincy took this a step further by riding a flow of reishi for instant movement, progressing from creating footholds to vertical elevators (or whatever the relevant analogy would be).
Theoretically, there's no reason a Shinigami couldn't learn to use Hirenkyaku or Ishida's floating platform technique other than it apparently being a difficult tech to master.
Theoretically, there's no reason a Shinigami couldn't learn to use Hirenkyaku or Ishida's floating platform technique other than it apparently being a difficult tech to master.
Really? As I understood it, the Shinigami were using Reiryoku, the actual Spiritual Power, to solidify the air, while Quincy were using Reishi, or the actual particles themselves. As far as I was aware, I don't think Shinigami have the ability to actual directly manipulate particles, bar obviously certain special abilities centered around manipulating matter.
Though admittedly, Zangetsu said "Gather spirits under your feet" and didn't make any distinction of what he was talking about for that particular bit. Could certainly go either way, both Particles and Energy is supposed to be ambient after all. :hmm:
I suppose that's another reason going into the whole Reiryoku/Reiatsu/Reishi distinction is a confusing mess since it was left aside for so long, despite being one of the more interesting parts of the series.
Though admittedly, Zangetsu said "Gather spirits under your feet" and didn't make any distinction of what he was talking about for that particular bit. Could certainly go either way, both Particles and Energy is supposed to be ambient after all. :hmm:
I suppose that's another reason going into the whole Reiryoku/Reiatsu/Reishi distinction is a confusing mess since it was left aside for so long, despite being one of the more interesting parts of the series.
"If you can control the spirits that's flying around..."
The use of spirits is a poor translation but I'd say the fact that Ichigo's using the atmosphere rather than his own power is clear enough. Even though it might work by using spirit energy to gather the spirit particles, I'm pretty sure it works the same fot both groups.
I believe the distinction between the use of external and internal powers for the Quincy and Shinigami is solely to do with their weapons (and spells, presumably); spirit arrows and zanpakuto.
The use of spirits is a poor translation but I'd say the fact that Ichigo's using the atmosphere rather than his own power is clear enough. Even though it might work by using spirit energy to gather the spirit particles, I'm pretty sure it works the same fot both groups.
I believe the distinction between the use of external and internal powers for the Quincy and Shinigami is solely to do with their weapons (and spells, presumably); spirit arrows and zanpakuto.
Actually Spirit Energy is something that's ambient too. This is for example why even Shinigami get a power boost in Hueco Mundo, they are able to draw more spirit energy by channeling the energy around them. The boost is notably weak on earth where 'spirits' are not quite abundant by comparison, but in both SS and Hueco Mundo the boost is supposedly quite notably, with the boost in HM being by far the strongest.
Hollows and the like notably get a much more significant boost there however, given both Chad and Ichigo's rapid growths in the zone. Plus the fact that Ishida even outright said Base Hollows might be beefed up enough to give them issues, which is an outright ludicrous power inflation rate. :sweat2:
Hollows and the like notably get a much more significant boost there however, given both Chad and Ichigo's rapid growths in the zone. Plus the fact that Ishida even outright said Base Hollows might be beefed up enough to give them issues, which is an outright ludicrous power inflation rate. :sweat2:
They only talk about spirit particles:
So areas of high-density reishi help boost powers. Hollows use it as nutrition, Quincy use it as a weapon and the Shinigami...don't really get an explanation. Though Rukia's powers returning in SS isn't really an argument when the only reason she couldn't in the HW was because of the gigai. Given that, we don't really know if Shinigami receive a boost unless we assume Kubo was using Ishida as a mouthpiece to state that they do.
So areas of high-density reishi help boost powers. Hollows use it as nutrition, Quincy use it as a weapon and the Shinigami...don't really get an explanation. Though Rukia's powers returning in SS isn't really an argument when the only reason she couldn't in the HW was because of the gigai. Given that, we don't really know if Shinigami receive a boost unless we assume Kubo was using Ishida as a mouthpiece to state that they do.
Hmm, another question.
Did anybody seem to even know Tosen had his Bankai in Turn Back the Pendulum? I'm looking at the arc and Shinji doesn't seem to be surprised Tosen has Bankai activated, but that's inconclusive, because he's more likely to be "WTF are you doing betraying your captain d00d?"
I was just thinking about whether the number of people who had Bankai in SS seemed to be greater a century ago than it does in the present times (considering they lost 6 captains and the captain of the Kido corps overnight, along with three lieutenants and the Kido Corps 2nd-in-command along with a lot of the upper ranks of the 9th and who knows how much else).
Speaking of the Kido Corps I guess none of the present-day members have been shown yet?
Did anybody seem to even know Tosen had his Bankai in Turn Back the Pendulum? I'm looking at the arc and Shinji doesn't seem to be surprised Tosen has Bankai activated, but that's inconclusive, because he's more likely to be "WTF are you doing betraying your captain d00d?"
I was just thinking about whether the number of people who had Bankai in SS seemed to be greater a century ago than it does in the present times (considering they lost 6 captains and the captain of the Kido corps overnight, along with three lieutenants and the Kido Corps 2nd-in-command along with a lot of the upper ranks of the 9th and who knows how much else).
Speaking of the Kido Corps I guess none of the present-day members have been shown yet?
Nah, Kido corps in general seemed to come out of nowhere in that flashback. Admittedly I think it might have been referenced in the databook beforehand, but needless to say nothing mangaside seemed to reference them directly as far as I recall. Certainly we have no idea if there even currently is a captain of that division at the moment, though I guess not if he didn't show up in the goddamn arrancar arc.
As for Tousen's bankai, I'm not sure they were even aware it was a bankai. Hell, I barely recognized it since he didn't do the disk thing and the activation didn't take forever. Though asking questions about Tousen is futile. Much like Komamura being a dog, we still have no idea how his Zan works, given it used to be someone else's.
Though admittedly with talk of Guardian Full Bring types in the multiple idea threads, I think I may have stumbled upon a potential explanation for Komamura for fic purposes that might be interesting. :snigger:
As for Tousen's bankai, I'm not sure they were even aware it was a bankai. Hell, I barely recognized it since he didn't do the disk thing and the activation didn't take forever. Though asking questions about Tousen is futile. Much like Komamura being a dog, we still have no idea how his Zan works, given it used to be someone else's.
Though admittedly with talk of Guardian Full Bring types in the multiple idea threads, I think I may have stumbled upon a potential explanation for Komamura for fic purposes that might be interesting. :snigger: