Bleach Bleach questions thread

[seitora]

I don't think it's ever once been mentioned how many Shinigami there are. I believe they're extrapolating based off the rule of 200 members watching a fight to defeat a Captain and take his spot (which Kenpachi did). That could be just an 11th-exclusive rule, or maybe it's a matter of percentage of numbers instead of an absolute hard value (I doubt the 12th has 200 members still, unless you count barely functional and on a lab table as still being a member )

 

[zeebee1]

The Shinigami have been all but annihilated and the Zero division hasn't even shown up. Do they even exist?

 

[Jimbobob5536]

The Zero Division was specifically for the protection of the Soul King/Royal Family. They only leave the Royal Dimension when a member of the royal family does.

At least I think that's what it is.

 

[Knyght]

The Shinigami have been all but annihilated and the Zero division hasn't even shown up. Do they even exist?

It's already been said by Juha Bach that they'll be appearing soon. The Shinigami being wiped out is probably the only time they'd come to SS unless it's a matter related to the Royal Family.

 

[zeebee1]

I don't think they exist. We have no proof that any of them exist. Also, fighting only when all of your reserves are dead is terrible long term planning. They won't even have an capable teachers left and those that do teach will be needed to purify Hollows.

 

[Knyght]

Any idea how old Uryu was when his grandfather died?

 

[seitora]

The Shinigami have been all but annihilated and the Zero division hasn't even shown up. Do they even exist?

We know Kirio was recruited into the Zero Division, so it must exist.

Unless you think 'Zero Division' is a cover-up for every time a Captain Shinigami runs off to join a sex cult.

 

[Knyght]

Those recruited into the Zero Division aren't actually intended to become members of the Royal Guard. The Spirit King needs no guard.

Enlistment into that division is to become a sacrifice for that thing. Captain-level reiatsu is the only 'substance' capable of providing it with the necessary energy to survive. Dozens of captains have been sacrificed over the centuries to fulfill this need, for without that the thing known as the Spirit King would die and the worlds would collapse.

Aizen Sousuke sought to change that fate. He planned to become a creature that transcended reason, one powerful enough to dethrone the Spirit King and change the nature of reality, freeing the worlds from this unknown oppression and the eventuality of their destruction.

(If something like this happens, my mind will be blown.)

 

[seitora]

Would be on par with the Juubi being Jashin in Naruto

 

[Dunstan]

Would be on par with the Juubi being Jashin in Naruto

.....That's so going to happen. :sisi:

 

[Knyght]

Sadly, we've reached a point where I don't think such a reveal will appear, especially since the whole Jashin thing received so little development. Would be damn cool though, imo.


Question: Why was it necessary to hide the Hogyoku inside Rukia? Why not stick in some unrelated human (altering their memories afterwards) instead of trying to turn a shinigami into one? Or use the other people in the human world like himself, Yoruichi, Tessai, Isshin or the Vizards.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

Question: Is it worth it for me to start reading this again?

I quit the series a little after the fat guy killed the skeleton, I just couldn't take all the bullshit anymore. Has the series improved on that front any, no bullshit plot twists or plot induced power ups/downs?

 

[Knyght]

Question: Is it worth it for me to start reading this again?

I quit the series a little after the fat guy killed the skeleton, I just couldn't take all the bullshit anymore. Has the series improved on that front any, no bullshit plot twists or plot induced power ups/downs?

Lol.

Don't bother. You quit before the plot twists even started, methinks.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Man if you couldn't handle Barragon's defeat, there's no way in HELL you'll last through Deicide. Deicide is literally the posterboy of bullshit and plot retardation.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

Man if you couldn't handle Barragon's defeat, there's no way in HELL you'll last through Deicide. Deicide is literally the posterboy of bullshit and plot retardation.

Well, it wasn't just Barrigan. It was all the bullshit in the arc up to that point. Yammy's transformation, Super Hollow, Ichigo going super hollowjin, Ulqui somehow losing his torso when being shot in the face. Everything that happened in the fake Karakura town, the fake town itself just seemed like bullshit. Why the fuck didn't Yama just kill fucking everyone else so they could gang up on Aizen? Barrigans bullshiting on aspects of death.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Fair, but suffice to say the tripe Deicide descends to makes almost all of that pale in comparison. It's that godawful.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

Jebus how is such a thing possible? Bleach was already reaching the singularity before I left, I jump ship just before the event horizon.

 

[Knyght]

Yama's non-involvement was because he was setting up a supernova trap to wipe out the town and everyone in it. And him just whipping out Ryuujin Jakka on the arrancars probably would have resulted in him doing more damage to his comrades thanks to Aizen's illusions.

Though I don't really get how the fire trap was meant to work when Aizen has access to Garganta. Even holding him in place wouldn't necessarily make a difference when he can be protected by Negacion.

 

[Valint]

Question: Why was it necessary to hide the Hogyoku inside Rukia? Why not stick in some unrelated human (altering their memories afterwards) instead of trying to turn a shinigami into one?

Urahara hid the Hogyoku inside Rukia before he left SS, back when she was just a random urchin. Presumably, she was supposed to live and die in Rukongai, a form of security by obscurity, and anyone coming after Urahara or his associates for it would be out of luck.

... or at least, that's how I've always interpreted things.

Aizen tells Ichigo that he had been looking for where Urahara hid the Hogyoku, and that by the time he discovered that it had been hidden in Rukia, <a href='http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v20/c175/16.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>she had already disappeared</a>. Aizen says that he knew intuitively that Rukia disappearing was Urahara's doing.

None of that makes any sense unless you assume that the Hogyoku was hidden in Rukia all along, rather than being done after she came to Karakura. It would be a little odd to say that Urahara tried to destroy the Hogyoku, couldn't, and then hid it in desperation, if he actually held on to it for a century and then just hid it recently.

 

[whitewhiskey]

Question: Why was it necessary to hide the Hogyoku inside Rukia? Why not stick in some unrelated human (altering their memories afterwards) instead of trying to turn a shinigami into one?

Urahara hid the Hogyoku inside Rukia before he left SS, back when she was just a random urchin. Presumably, she was supposed to live and die in Rukongai, a form of security by obscurity, and anyone coming after Urahara or his associates for it would be out of luck.

... or at least, that's how I've always interpreted things.

Aizen tells Ichigo that he had been looking for where Urahara hid the Hogyoku, and that by the time he discovered that it had been hidden in Rukia, <a href='http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v20/c175/16.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>she had already disappeared</a>. Aizen says that he knew intuitively that Rukia disappearing was Urahara's doing.

None of that makes any sense unless you assume that the Hogyoku was hidden in Rukia all along, rather than being done after she came to Karakura. It would be a little odd to say that Urahara tried to destroy the Hogyoku, couldn't, and then hid it in desperation, if he actually held on to it for a century and then just hid it recently.

Actually, I thought he hid it in that Gigai that Rukia ended up using, then as it slowly made her human, the hogyoku was integrated into her soul.

And maybe he thought it would be defenseless or it would be more dangerous to fuck with a living person to hide something in their soul (Maybe sever their chain?)

 

[Knyght]

^That's closer to my interpretation. Tbh, Aizen's dialogue in that scene seems to be filled with confusing and/or conflict bits of info that muddle the issue for me.

 

[mario_zx]

So out of the three Hybrids that we have now, Shinigami/Hallow, Shinigami/FullBringer, and Shinigami/Quincy which one is the strongest?

 

[Knyght]

I wouldn't really count Shinigami/Quincy as a hybrid in this sense. They aren't a seperate breed or species, just spiritually aware beings who possess a certain type of training.

And we don't really know if Ichigo can be considered a Fullbringer anyway since he hasn't demonstrated any of their powers since regaining his Shinigami powers. The traces that fused with him might simply be cosmetic.

To actually answer your question though, I'd probably place the Shinigami/Hollow hybrid at the top.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

No, the whole vizard concept seems entirely counter intuitive. Either one power is dominant or the other is, and they kind of seesaw for control. Granted, Bishigetsu and Hichigo did fuse in the end, but that state wasn't really anything of note by itself. Hichigo by himself was far more threatening.

Quincy and Shinigami really have nothing to build off of either just by looking at how both abilities work. Doubly so since the standard gear for a quincy makes it damned hard to use a sword, standard shinigami gear.

FullBring/Shinigami is the only type that, if executed properly, would likely give the greatest benefits. If used right it would basically double up the entire bond with the sword thing even further, though granted that needs the proper cherished item to actually be the Zan for that to function to the best possible level.

 

[zeebee1]

None of the Shinigami are divine in any way.