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It causes a build up of souls to gather one side of the barrier, making that side to become 'heavier' until it reaches the point where one world spills into another. Why that actually makes the barrier itself weaker isn't made clear, IIRC.
Perhaps the burden of too many souls pushes against the barrier and causes some form of erosion but that's pure guesswork.
Perhaps the burden of too many souls pushes against the barrier and causes some form of erosion but that's pure guesswork.
This.
Don't get me wrong, that's the reason they gave(as far as I remember anyway), but still this.
Like most cases of "If this happens, all of reality will be destroyed." it rather clearly has never happened. so.... How can they be so certain as for it to excuse any, and every, assholeish to down right evil thing they can even think of doing? :sweat2:
Don't get me wrong, that's the reason they gave(as far as I remember anyway), but still this.
Like most cases of "If this happens, all of reality will be destroyed." it rather clearly has never happened. so.... How can they be so certain as for it to excuse any, and every, assholeish to down right evil thing they can even think of doing? :sweat2:
Beelzebub. :mellow:
As for the whole spillover thing, in actuality it's that the distance decreases the more the balance is offset. At the start of this very arc, we saw Mayuri's lab tracking this very same decrease as Soul Society and the living world started moving closer together. Apparently the bigger the weight on one side, the closer the two realms come to colliding. It's only natural that once that distance hits 0 is when bad shit happens. You really don't need guesswork to come to that conclusion, needless to say.
As for the whole spillover thing, in actuality it's that the distance decreases the more the balance is offset. At the start of this very arc, we saw Mayuri's lab tracking this very same decrease as Soul Society and the living world started moving closer together. Apparently the bigger the weight on one side, the closer the two realms come to colliding. It's only natural that once that distance hits 0 is when bad shit happens. You really don't need guesswork to come to that conclusion, needless to say.
I once had an idea for a Yu Yu Hakusho/Bleach/Ah My Goddess cross. Koenma is the soul king since his father got into all that trouble, and is considered a low tier god compared to Beldandy and company, while the SS itself is the local purgatory. Souls good enough skip the middle and go right to heaven or hell, or earn one of the two by living/suffering in Rugonkai or in the big city.
Shinigami take care of the errant souls, aka Hollows. Spirit Detectives take care of the errant demons, and people cause trouble with help of demons.
And yes, Botan is a Zero division hitter, hence the out of uniform look. But she isn't allowed to meddle in the crap that happens with the demons, cause it is outside her jurisdiction. And no souls or hollows threaten Koenma, so dosen't need to whup any ass.
Shinigami take care of the errant souls, aka Hollows. Spirit Detectives take care of the errant demons, and people cause trouble with help of demons.
And yes, Botan is a Zero division hitter, hence the out of uniform look. But she isn't allowed to meddle in the crap that happens with the demons, cause it is outside her jurisdiction. And no souls or hollows threaten Koenma, so dosen't need to whup any ass.
Hello all,
I am currently publishing a Bleach fanfiction on fanfiction.net. A particular element which I have included is the fact that the known Espadas are all Vasto Lord in rank.
I was wondering if there are some here who would be able to brainstorm or contribute ideas regarding their Hollow forms in their ascended state (barring the ones who already are like Tia/Starrk). I have only read the translated manga and remember reading the notion that becoming Vasto Lord involves a bit of eliminating the majority of one's mask to achieve a sem-human state - which is oddly similar to arrancars, whereas the latter is stated to involve gaining shinigami powers. I am now curious what Espadas the like of Aaroniero or Zommari would be like as Vasto Lords. (To add, I took away the implication that only the Cuarto up to the Primera were Vasto Lord before becoming "Aizen's Arrancars" but I don't know if it has been confirmed if say Grimmjow, Nel or Nnoitra had reached a certain ascendance as well)
Following the above, I'm also wondering what becoming Vasto Lord means in terms of state of mind. I base it on that flashback between Nnoitra and Nel where the latter comments how they have thrown away their Hollow instincts when they evolved. I wasn't really sure if this refers to becoming an arrancar or becoming Vasto Lord, as it does not seem that the known Vasto Lord in their flashbacks (i.e. Starrk and Barragan) have displayed the urge to feed/ kill to evolve. My view as of now is that becoming Vasto Lord is becoming "human" as it were, in the sense that one's baser Hollow instincts are more restrained - though this does not prevent certain megalomania from the likes of Barragan and such.
I would very much appreciate any opinions that can be offered, since I intend to apply the maximum amount of adherence to canon facts in my fanfiction. I hope my own fanfiction grows enough to be fit for viewing in Hawk's forum in the future.
I am currently publishing a Bleach fanfiction on fanfiction.net. A particular element which I have included is the fact that the known Espadas are all Vasto Lord in rank.
I was wondering if there are some here who would be able to brainstorm or contribute ideas regarding their Hollow forms in their ascended state (barring the ones who already are like Tia/Starrk). I have only read the translated manga and remember reading the notion that becoming Vasto Lord involves a bit of eliminating the majority of one's mask to achieve a sem-human state - which is oddly similar to arrancars, whereas the latter is stated to involve gaining shinigami powers. I am now curious what Espadas the like of Aaroniero or Zommari would be like as Vasto Lords. (To add, I took away the implication that only the Cuarto up to the Primera were Vasto Lord before becoming "Aizen's Arrancars" but I don't know if it has been confirmed if say Grimmjow, Nel or Nnoitra had reached a certain ascendance as well)
Following the above, I'm also wondering what becoming Vasto Lord means in terms of state of mind. I base it on that flashback between Nnoitra and Nel where the latter comments how they have thrown away their Hollow instincts when they evolved. I wasn't really sure if this refers to becoming an arrancar or becoming Vasto Lord, as it does not seem that the known Vasto Lord in their flashbacks (i.e. Starrk and Barragan) have displayed the urge to feed/ kill to evolve. My view as of now is that becoming Vasto Lord is becoming "human" as it were, in the sense that one's baser Hollow instincts are more restrained - though this does not prevent certain megalomania from the likes of Barragan and such.
I would very much appreciate any opinions that can be offered, since I intend to apply the maximum amount of adherence to canon facts in my fanfiction. I hope my own fanfiction grows enough to be fit for viewing in Hawk's forum in the future.
The thing with two faces was only a Gillian. Also, I'm pretty sure the mask only starts disappearing when the become Arracncar. As for having less instinct, that's a flat out lie. Hollows are nothing but instinct with a brain. They are the exact opposite who like humans, are logical and emotional beings who ignore most of their instincts.
Just look at the way they gain powers. You train to gain Shikai. You train to get Bankai. But Hollows only have to keep eating to gain access to Cero.
Just look at the way they gain powers. You train to gain Shikai. You train to get Bankai. But Hollows only have to keep eating to gain access to Cero.
All of the Espada (except Two Face) are Vasto Lorde which was confirmed in the last databook. Hollows become Vasto Lorde by eating hollows until they reach the peak of their evolution; they become humanoid but their masks remain complete. They become Arrancar by having their mask destroyed or Hogyoku.
Becomin an Arrancar means that they are no longer governed by their instincts and are more capable of rational thought and different emotions than before. Probably because they no longer has the constant need to feed in fear of degeneration. Losing their masks humanises them to a degree.
Becomin an Arrancar means that they are no longer governed by their instincts and are more capable of rational thought and different emotions than before. Probably because they no longer has the constant need to feed in fear of degeneration. Losing their masks humanises them to a degree.
The bit where Neliel and Nnoitra were looking for Vasto Lorde was years before canon. And I don't think we know how many they had by that point.
IIRC, there was a Don Kanonji that said that Soul Society's records on them was really outdated and because their power was dependent on their individual abilities. I don't remember who wrote the Kanonji novel though so I'm not sure how valid a source it is.
IIRC, there was a Don Kanonji that said that Soul Society's records on them was really outdated and because their power was dependent on their individual abilities. I don't remember who wrote the Kanonji novel though so I'm not sure how valid a source it is.
Actually I believe that comment was made in the Rukia novel which was intended to bridge the gap between the oddly placed 17 month timeskip. Though yeah, the majority of the espada are confirmed Vastro's via the databook, though the only ones we actually see as one were I believe Pat and Barragon. Halibel too if you take that silly looking filler form as canon, which I refuse to.
Starrk we only ever saw as a natural Arrancar, but frankly given his general skill level (Soloing multiple sets of captains at once while barely trying) as well as the fact that he's the only thing in canon bar goddamn Ascended Aizen that kills things with his mere presence, I think it's a safe bet to say he's a vastro too. Particularly since most of his general parameters should actively weaken him far more than other arrancar yet he's still that much of a beast.
Yammi's retarded in general though so hard to say what's up with him. I just ignore him frankly.
Starrk we only ever saw as a natural Arrancar, but frankly given his general skill level (Soloing multiple sets of captains at once while barely trying) as well as the fact that he's the only thing in canon bar goddamn Ascended Aizen that kills things with his mere presence, I think it's a safe bet to say he's a vastro too. Particularly since most of his general parameters should actively weaken him far more than other arrancar yet he's still that much of a beast.
Yammi's retarded in general though so hard to say what's up with him. I just ignore him frankly.
Well, Gillians were over-hyped when Ichigo got one to retreat. Rukia claimed that the royal guard usually dealt with them. And if you assume the royal guard are the Zero Squad, which has five Shinigami more powerful then the rest combined, then that's ridiculous. Even if that wasn't the case it makes no sense.
Hitsugaya nearly equal to the third most powerful Hollow in existence. If the mentally handicapped Hollow didn't show up with a power it shouldn't have had he would have one. And despite Hitsugaya's popularity he isn't even in the top five most powerful captains. So basically, don't take everything a specific character as the gospel truth. Kubo changes his mind whenever he needs someone more powerful.
Hitsugaya nearly equal to the third most powerful Hollow in existence. If the mentally handicapped Hollow didn't show up with a power it shouldn't have had he would have one. And despite Hitsugaya's popularity he isn't even in the top five most powerful captains. So basically, don't take everything a specific character as the gospel truth. Kubo changes his mind whenever he needs someone more powerful.
What's really weird is that it probably doesn't even stop there. Depending on the parameters of how Barragon's power works against his own, you could make a damn good argument that Hitsugaya could take him too, provided absolute control over Ice and Water makes respiera's decay ineffective. Which granted is more victory due to an theoretically optimal skill set than actual power level, but still it's entirely viable depending on the mechanics behind how that would work.
It isn't until he hits Starrk that his odds of potential victory hit the point where it outright requires Ichigo level plothax, keeping in mind Ichigo needed that exactly to even be able to hold a candle to the forth. And notably the forth's first stage, as in the one irrefutably weaker than Halibel, since that completely destroyed him with no effort BEFORE the second form came into play at all. With an attack ALL espada could have pulled on him no less.
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Though yeah, overhyping and gratuitous power inflation is the general excuse, by the time that first Gillian rolled around captains weren't even a thing. Hell when BYAKUYA showed up first captains weren't even properly fleshed out yet, hence the lack of captains cloak. By the end of it the Espada in general were pretty underwhelming in general, and that's before we even look at goddamn Yammi's 0 business.
It isn't until he hits Starrk that his odds of potential victory hit the point where it outright requires Ichigo level plothax, keeping in mind Ichigo needed that exactly to even be able to hold a candle to the forth. And notably the forth's first stage, as in the one irrefutably weaker than Halibel, since that completely destroyed him with no effort BEFORE the second form came into play at all. With an attack ALL espada could have pulled on him no less.
h43r: Though yeah, overhyping and gratuitous power inflation is the general excuse, by the time that first Gillian rolled around captains weren't even a thing. Hell when BYAKUYA showed up first captains weren't even properly fleshed out yet, hence the lack of captains cloak. By the end of it the Espada in general were pretty underwhelming in general, and that's before we even look at goddamn Yammi's 0 business.
True, though it's hard to figure out what in particular is solid fact when so many inconsistencies plague this particular part of it. Changes are pretty much required to get a consistent narrative out of this mess without going into large amounts of patchwork excuses for why characters made incorrect statements or had general underwhelming combat performances compared to their overall hype, and/or stating they outright lied for whatever reason.
<a href='http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110603152703/bleach/es/images/2/21/Ulquiorra_Hollow.JPG' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Ulquiorra's Vasto Lorde form.</a> And there's at an outline of Wonderweiss right before he arrancarfied, though it looks completely different to his released state. Personally I just imagine their released forms but covered entirely with bone armour and with an odd addition or two.
Rukia only mentions the elite forces, not the royal guard. More likely she's just talking about seated officers or lieutenants.
Aren't the Espada ranked only by reiatsu though? It's possible that Ulquiorra was faster, stronger and/or more skilled than Halibel but had less power. And tbf to Ichigo he's almost completely limited to close-range swordplay whilst Hitsugaya can his distance and fight with nothing but techniques. He's poorly equipped to deal with enemies who definitely outrank him in physical abilities.
Rukia only mentions the elite forces, not the royal guard. More likely she's just talking about seated officers or lieutenants.
Aren't the Espada ranked only by reiatsu though? It's possible that Ulquiorra was faster, stronger and/or more skilled than Halibel but had less power. And tbf to Ichigo he's almost completely limited to close-range swordplay whilst Hitsugaya can his distance and fight with nothing but techniques. He's poorly equipped to deal with enemies who definitely outrank him in physical abilities.
I'd buy that, if the specific attack he lost to didn't have such a laughably large charge time for a verse where everyone and their mom has instant movement. It would be a fair case to argue if Pat just had too good a ranged capacity, but his capacity is pretty much the same as everyone else, literally since everyone has that same attack, Ichigo just stands there like a moron and let it be an issue.
You can't argue Pat just had better stats either since that's pretty much irrelevant to the fight. Make no mistake, he did beat him in every area which further proved he had no chance at all, but that's not why Ichigo lost. He lost because he got hit with an attack which every one of the espada has, and an attack that could easily be avoided if anyone had half a brain.
Though granted, it's not just Ichigo either. It still baffles me that, bar Starrk, next to no one attempts to dodge a cero ever. :crazy:
You can't argue Pat just had better stats either since that's pretty much irrelevant to the fight. Make no mistake, he did beat him in every area which further proved he had no chance at all, but that's not why Ichigo lost. He lost because he got hit with an attack which every one of the espada has, and an attack that could easily be avoided if anyone had half a brain.
Though granted, it's not just Ichigo either. It still baffles me that, bar Starrk, next to no one attempts to dodge a cero ever. :crazy:
I think that might be why Ceros normally spread out like they do: to prevent people from dodging them. It's also probably why they do so little damage: their power is spread out along their entire blast front, so their spiritual pressure is poor for the amount of spiritual energy put into them. Starrk's Ceros were different, since they were a lot smaller physically, so they'd focus their power into a smaller area to increase their spiritual presser at the expense of increasing the ability of people to dodge them.