Bleach Bleach questions thread

[Dunstan]

I have a question. Will Bleach ever be good again?

No. :mellow:


Honestly, at this point the worldbuilding is just to crap for it to come back from it, but more then that, it's hard to give a crap about anything, when you know it's just going to be recon'd two arks latter at most.....

...Not that there's going to be a "two arks latter", but it still applies to things that happened two arks ago. :huh.:

What are you talking about? The worldbuilding is one of the best parts of these last few chapters; Kubo is finally answering the unanswered questions about things like "where do zanpakuto come from?".

.....With answers that spit in the face of everything we knew about zanpakuto up to this point.

And it's just one of many recons that's happened lately.

 

[zeebee1]

Zanpakuto come from the soul. We don't need some lesson about how the process was standardized to increase the rate at which Shinigami achieved shikai. If it actually mattered then Renji would have known that guys name.

 

[mario_zx]

Adasuchi can purify hollows right, and Adasuchi were created right so does that mean that Adasuchi could be created in the form of a bow and Arrow?

Also this guy who made the zanpakto could not have been around forever does that mean there are other ways to purify Hallows?

 

[Knyght]

Honestly, I think when Hollows die they get purified automatically. The exceptions are when they are eaten by other Hollows (and I've no idea what happens when a Hollow kills another without bothering to eat them*) and when they're destroyed by the Quincy who are the only beings capable of that, requiring the "use of reishi as a weapon" and "choosing to destroy, not purify".

Zanpakuto may be just the most ideal way of doing it. It's not like Shinigami have any qualms against using kido and hakuda to kill Hollows.

*Starrk seems to leave corpses around when he killed them with his reiatsu (presumably) so it's possible that they didn't move on to SS.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Notably leaving corpses behind in terms of hollows, at the very least concerning arracar, is generally arbitrary. Even when directly slain by Zanpakuto sometimes. Sure Zommari faded away after Byakuya finished him, but AA left behind a 'corpse' that being the split in two head after Rukia BS'd a win (And notably he goes onto Hell FULLY intact to say the least, door didn't even bother to show up or nothing).

Mostly to give Zommari something to talk to when he showed up sure but still it's arbitrary as hell. Nnoitra left a corpse too, and though Zaraki doesn't know the name he still straight up murdered him with a Zan himself, and hell, Yammi's corpse was being outright eaten by random hollows in the Databook sidestory after Byakuya and Zaraki finished him.

It flip flops randomly to say the least. :huh.:

 

[Knyght]

I figured the only reason AA's body stayed was because the remains were frozen before it could turn to dust. Hadn't thought about Nnoitra and Yammy but that's all kinds of weird.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Chalk it up to inconsistencies myself personally. Wouldn't be the first time after all, and it's been a long time since we've covered anything related to purification mechanics even slightly. :wacko:

 

[Knyght]

Adasuchi can purify hollows right, and Adasuchi were created right so does that mean that Adasuchi could be created in the form of a bow and Arrow?

If you make asauchi in the form of a bow, then where would the arrows come from? Would the asauchi be the bow and the arrows or would you make the arrows seperately? Which would mean you'd have to equip a bunch of arrows before a fight which could run out. And how effective would an arrow be against a hollow? If you're shaping your spiritual energy into an arrow instead of using a real one then you're using it up at a faster rate than usual.

Maybe you can make an asauchi take the form of a bow but I think there'd be more cons than pros. IMO adopting the Quincy bow style would work better for them as long as they made sure that the Shinigami don't start destroying Hollows instead of purifying them.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

I'd presume other forms of a melee weapon of sorts blade could still be created. Hell, this might explain why Urahara's is a Cane Sword normally, he could have straight up made his own. And why Yamamoto's is normally sealed as that massive staff.

Also while we're down this tangent, what about the sheathes? People don't normally talk about that particular aspect of the Zan, but from what they display there actually is a connection between both the sheath and the sword in certain special cases. Granted Ichigo's making of a sheathe from nothing is tenous at best since even his shinigami clothes come from nowhere when we outright know those are just uniforms, but there are other weird cases that have nothing to do with him.

Hitsugaya's sheathe for example actively melts when he draws his sword, and Ikkaku's sheathe is a part of his shikai activation, which is particularly notable because his sword he straight up found before he became a shinigami. Hell, Jidanbo's brother even uses it to restore his shikai if the rest of it gets destroyed for infinite ammo, and he's barely a mook in general.

And since we're still on this tangent, how about Jidanbou's axes, and while we're on giants, the hells up with Jidanbou in general? So many unanswered questions. :wacko:

 

[Knyght]

Is a person's strength directly proportional to the amount of reiatsu they possess? I was just thinking of "I-can-vaporise-mountains" Ichigo and was wondering where all that strength came from; is a just a result of his spiritual power reaching such a god-like quantity?

Then there's Aizen with roughly twice the amount of reiatsu as most of the other captains and was able to outperform them physically. Though I'm sure how strong or fast Kenpachi was meant to be.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Yes and also no. That is how it's pretty much implied to work, and up to the stupidity that was Deicide we could pretty much nail that as the natural order of things. Problem is Kubo is HORRIFICALLY inconsistent with scale. Those mountains Ichigo 'vaporized' were barely more than semi tall hills by calculations made, meaning Pat's CO utterly and completely trumped it in every possible way just by skimming the top of Las Noches. And needless to say he wasn't even close to that level of power. The Room Hitsugaya blew up in base form by drawing his sword while being pissed off had a lot more implications than quite a bit of that fight to say the least, and he didn't have a prayer against 'normal' Aizen.

This is part of why I say Deicide is utterly moronic and should be promptly retconned and ignored, other than all the other reasons why it's an utter piece of shit and the worst arc potentially in existence. I mean for crying out loud Starrk was doing more impressive kills with Reiatsu alone in base compared to either of the two of them. At least he was exploding hollows with just his massive power, rather than the weakest of weak humans and not doing diddly to barely empowered humans right next to him.

So yeah, hating on Deicide aside, Yes, that's how it's supposed to work, but No, Deicide is not the best showcase of it. Even slightly.

 

[Amodelsino]

It's related to spiritual pressure.

 

[Knyght]

To clarify, I was talking specifically about physical strength rather than strength in the more general sense.

So Kenpachi picking up chunks of rock, Yamamoto breaking Wonderweiss with a punch, Ichigo vaporising shit with a swing of his sword or, as an example excluding Deicide, Ichigo being able to hold off Jidanbou's axe.

I just wasn't sure how much was actually physical thanks to whatever training they've done or if it was primarily a result of how much spirit power they possess. And we have Kenpachi who doesn't actually control his spirit power so I was wondering whether it was a matter of just having all that spirit power or being able to use it as well.

Not sure if that explains my thoughts well. :-/

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Yamamoto was clearly using a technique, however otherwise most of the other stuff is physical generally which does indeed seem to be quite augmented by Reiatsu.

Ignoring 0 Espada Yammi who has both size and reaitsu but is goddamn pathetic, but again, Kubo has problems with scale.

 

[Amodelsino]

Kenpachi does control his energy, at least in a general sense. Did you miss when he bitched at Ichigo for not keeping up the power going into his sword?

Hell, he was the first guy who explained how the interaction of spiritual entities actually worked.

 

[Knyght]

Point. I remember saying how he can't seal his sword so I just assumed that he kinda gave up and lets it run wild all the time.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Notably in said explanation though, he was going on about how Ichigo's active control was less than his unconscious passive control however. Regardless, I do agree, Kenpachi knows how to do some of his shit actively regardless.

 

[Amodelsino]

Active control is the power channeled into his sword. Passive is the defense that results from increased spiritual pressure. I don't think that can be active, rather than Kenpachi specifically choosing to be passive about it. Otherwise Hierro would be a pretty redundant ability.

Though Aizen's blocking of Soifon does seem to suggest he did it on purpose IIRC. Maybe because he's just that much better with his control?

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Sure it can, you just need to release more. Problem is this is horribly inefficient generally without something like Hierro. You'd need your entire body to be releasing energy equal to the amount condensed on the edge or tip of a sword, which for people of the roughly the same level is rather absurd.

 

[Amodelsino]

Fair point. Even if it is that easy to control your energy release to do that, all you'd do is use up your energy, so active control is pointless anyway.

 

[mario_zx]

Since Adasuchi were created by a single guy and don't actually come from a soul reapers soul, does that mean that if a Quincy used the same material that an Adasuchi is made out of to create their quincy cross would they be able to purify hollows instead of destroying them?

 

[Knyght]

Depending on your interpretation, they wouldn't need to. Quincies don't believe that Hollows deserve to be purified, so they destroy them instead. On the one hand, that could mean that they can purify Hollows with their arrows if they wanted to. On the other hand, it could mean that they would have to choose an alternate fighting style since spiritrons + spirit power is only capable of completely destroying souls.

Personally, I doubt that a zanpakuto is specifically needed to purify Hollows. Quincies are the only known beings capable of destroying Hollows so what happens when a Shinigami kills them with Hakuda or Kido? I assume that, unless killed by a Quincy or eaten by a Hollow, the Hollow and all the souls that compose it will move onto the next stage when they die. Zanpakutos might just be the most ideal and effective option.

And to sort-of answer your question, I don't think it's as simple as using the right material seeing as they appear to be humanoids that turn into swords.

Edit: Typos, ahoy!

 

[Knyght]

1) Why does Chad have two powers?

I only considered it how he's different from the other Fullbringers by having two 'Fullbrings' but it's weird in general. They have their own names, their own abilities, were awakened separately and can be used separately. Even Shunsui, Ukitake and Orihime's are all classed as one power.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Depends on how you take it honestly. Were Chad's Fullbring his 'arms' rather than his 'skin', you could have gone the route where people can have multiple fullbrings with items they cherish enough, however they all ultimately take similar paths. So Chad does have two fullbrings, but they're both very similar in themselves in function, both being an arm based energy attack sort of ability. Different certainly but in a similar vein to each other at the very least. He doesn't have anything similar to say Invader's must Die or Time tells no Lies.

However since it's supposedly his skin, he has two different fullbring with the same 'item'. Why this is really is up in the air.

 

[Knyght]

To be fair, Chad does say the skin on his arms rather than just his skin so it could be construed that way. That could relate to the form it takes too. If his object was "arms" then his Fullbring could have transformed his arms but because it was the "skin of his arms" his powers creates a second skin.

And since I was looking those chapters up, Riruka mentions that Fullbringers have their powers from birth. I'll take that as another point against the Fullbringer Chad concept. Though Ginjo's possibility an exception too.