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An attempt to answer this question is a slightly serious manner:
If Aizen and Xavier are place in an arena.. let's say 20 feet away from each other. Both fully intent on killing the other. No playing around. No morals. The bells rings, and...
Aizen wins, because he is plain faster.
Now watch this thread become filled with arguments about telepathy and ghosts and the speed of thought in relation to telepaths. and people using the silliest things as evidence.
Oh wait, that is already happening in the Naruto section. So why bring it here?
If Aizen and Xavier are place in an arena.. let's say 20 feet away from each other. Both fully intent on killing the other. No playing around. No morals. The bells rings, and...
Aizen wins, because he is plain faster.
Now watch this thread become filled with arguments about telepathy and ghosts and the speed of thought in relation to telepaths. and people using the silliest things as evidence.
Oh wait, that is already happening in the Naruto section. So why bring it here?
Okay, riddle me this.
Xavier can stop Northstar from attacking him in his track.
Keep in mind, this is the same Northstar who, when he absolutely wants to, can reach 99% lightspeed.
Xavier cockblocked him multiple times. Note, Northstar was a psycho villain at the time (he and his sister are NOT mentally healthy, to say the least), and WAS trying to kill Xavier, while baldhead was attempting (and succeeding) to stop him without injury every time. Because back then Xavier was a treehugger like that.
Now, unless you want to argue Aizen somehow can go faster than Northstar, I'm sure you can see what the problem is.
That's all I'll say. Next, please.
Xavier can stop Northstar from attacking him in his track.
Keep in mind, this is the same Northstar who, when he absolutely wants to, can reach 99% lightspeed.
Xavier cockblocked him multiple times. Note, Northstar was a psycho villain at the time (he and his sister are NOT mentally healthy, to say the least), and WAS trying to kill Xavier, while baldhead was attempting (and succeeding) to stop him without injury every time. Because back then Xavier was a treehugger like that.
Now, unless you want to argue Aizen somehow can go faster than Northstar, I'm sure you can see what the problem is.
That's all I'll say. Next, please.
So now mentioning canon is not evidence?
In that case, AIZEN HIMSELF is silly evidence. After all, ghosts are silly, and what are Shinigami if not, essentially, glorified super-ghosts?
Look, if you can't take canonical evidence in a debate involving fiction, then don't bother debating, because your own evidence is probably no better than that of the other guys.
I mean, ghosts who somehow bleed, have internal organs, live in a place which is basically ancient Edo with some tech mixed in (never mind that some flashbacks showed Soul Society looking like Sengoku era Edo - some 1000 years BEFORE the Sengoku era when people lived in fucking mud houses...), can cast spells, ALL wield swords with Jaanese names...
Oh and one of the ghosts is a 9 feet tall dog-man, another is JAMAICAN (and somehow still has a japanese name), and another FUCKING HAS TUBERCULOSIS.
Silliest evidence, my ass. EVERYTHING about Shinigami is just as silly as Northstar hitting near-lightspeed. If you are gonna bother taking Kubo's guys's side, then don't bother with that argument because you are supporting a side whose evidence makes half of Marvel look positively normal when it comes to WTF factor.
Conversely, there's no way of knowing whether Xavier hasn't mindraped you. Case in point: Xavier actually causes the Juggernaut to 'live' his next SIX MONTHS by making him face various events and studying his reaction, purely to ascertain whether he can reconcile with Cain or not. Cain doesn't realize it's all a mindscrew by Xavier until (after killing him during the illusion, no less) Xavier suddenly appears very much alive - and 50 feet tall - in front of him and locks him in a box while pointing out he could've killed him anytime. He then tells Cain next time they meet, he WILL kill him.
At that, Cain wakes up to find out the last 6 months were actually 6 minutes.
Oh, Cain was in San Francisco, Xavier was across the fucking country. Still found Juggernaut and set the whole thing up effortlessly, and all of it was a test of character, not him actually trying to HURT Cain.
Sooo... Is Aizen using Kyouka Suigetsu real, or just something Xavier planted in his mind? Hmm?
I guess it depends on whether you think Aizen can release his Zanpakuto faster than Xavier can think. Personally, I doubt it.
In that case, AIZEN HIMSELF is silly evidence. After all, ghosts are silly, and what are Shinigami if not, essentially, glorified super-ghosts?
Look, if you can't take canonical evidence in a debate involving fiction, then don't bother debating, because your own evidence is probably no better than that of the other guys.
I mean, ghosts who somehow bleed, have internal organs, live in a place which is basically ancient Edo with some tech mixed in (never mind that some flashbacks showed Soul Society looking like Sengoku era Edo - some 1000 years BEFORE the Sengoku era when people lived in fucking mud houses...), can cast spells, ALL wield swords with Jaanese names...
Oh and one of the ghosts is a 9 feet tall dog-man, another is JAMAICAN (and somehow still has a japanese name), and another FUCKING HAS TUBERCULOSIS.
Silliest evidence, my ass. EVERYTHING about Shinigami is just as silly as Northstar hitting near-lightspeed. If you are gonna bother taking Kubo's guys's side, then don't bother with that argument because you are supporting a side whose evidence makes half of Marvel look positively normal when it comes to WTF factor.
Conversely, there's no way of knowing whether Xavier hasn't mindraped you. Case in point: Xavier actually causes the Juggernaut to 'live' his next SIX MONTHS by making him face various events and studying his reaction, purely to ascertain whether he can reconcile with Cain or not. Cain doesn't realize it's all a mindscrew by Xavier until (after killing him during the illusion, no less) Xavier suddenly appears very much alive - and 50 feet tall - in front of him and locks him in a box while pointing out he could've killed him anytime. He then tells Cain next time they meet, he WILL kill him.
At that, Cain wakes up to find out the last 6 months were actually 6 minutes.
Oh, Cain was in San Francisco, Xavier was across the fucking country. Still found Juggernaut and set the whole thing up effortlessly, and all of it was a test of character, not him actually trying to HURT Cain.
Sooo... Is Aizen using Kyouka Suigetsu real, or just something Xavier planted in his mind? Hmm?
I guess it depends on whether you think Aizen can release his Zanpakuto faster than Xavier can think. Personally, I doubt it.
IIIRC the aria or wathever they call it is just for show (after a while) so the releasing is also tought-speed, but really one on one, face to face and whit no info it could go either way and the fans will make it so even if one won 'in paper' or scene wise, to an illusion or xanatos gambit by the other faction and everyting revolves on who mindfuck the other first.
99% lightspeed? damned writers, couldn't they have said it was friking near Lightspeed?, no it had to have a fucking percentage :no:
GH about the pm i sent you, just how different was the tought process of the minds they reached? and was it to implant something, to have a 'conversation or to read them?
ty for your time
on the ghosts themself, m own interpretation is that they 'bleed and everything else' because they think that they should, cuz actually they are just a mass of spiritual energy shaped into a human/near human form and at some point they were either a human(the reapers) or are a conglomeration of fragments of multiple humans(Hollow).
99% lightspeed? damned writers, couldn't they have said it was friking near Lightspeed?, no it had to have a fucking percentage :no:
GH about the pm i sent you, just how different was the tought process of the minds they reached? and was it to implant something, to have a 'conversation or to read them?
ty for your time
on the ghosts themself, m own interpretation is that they 'bleed and everything else' because they think that they should, cuz actually they are just a mass of spiritual energy shaped into a human/near human form and at some point they were either a human(the reapers) or are a conglomeration of fragments of multiple humans(Hollow).
Shinigami who achieve bankai no longer need to say there Zanpakuto's release to actually use the ability. Byakuya said this when Renji released his shikai without the verbal command. Why couldn't Aizen do the same? Even if Prof. X does somehow, someway beat his illusion then how would he stop Aizen from simply crushing him with his spiritual pressure?
Marvel psychics generally trump everything that doesn't have plot armor. The general method of keeping Psylocke from curbstomping just about every villain was to have her spend the majority of her power locking down an immensely powerful spiritual entity. Actually, I dont think Marvel ever really knew what to do with her. From her body switch with Kwannon(sp?) to her total bullshit deaths, it just seemed like the writers never wanted her around for more than just wearing something skimpy.
That said, the psychics in Marvel tend to make Ichigo's Final Getsuga form look weak when they get pissed off.
To add to that, Shinigami,Hollows and Plus tend to be more be more like a race of people that are out of phase and can't be seen by normal humans than 'ghosts'. I dont even think you should consider them ghosts once the spirit reaches Soul Society.
That said, the psychics in Marvel tend to make Ichigo's Final Getsuga form look weak when they get pissed off.
To add to that, Shinigami,Hollows and Plus tend to be more be more like a race of people that are out of phase and can't be seen by normal humans than 'ghosts'. I dont even think you should consider them ghosts once the spirit reaches Soul Society.
In a 1 on 1 fight, i'd say Aizen would get wrecked by quite a few members of the Marvel-verse. The only way he'd survive is to get a Magneto/Juggernaut Helmet ahead of time and that requires that you give him plot armor.
Marvel people who can steamroll Aizen off the top of my head: Prof X, Emma Frost, Jean Gray, Stepford Cuckoos, Franklin Richards, the Hulk, Squirrel Girl, Blackheart, Ghost Rider, Mephisto, several variations of Dr. Doom, Galactus, Legion, Nimrod, Black Queen, the Sentry. Black Bolt, Silver Surfer, Dormammu.
Marvel people who might be able to defeat Aizen:
Longshot (Depends on his luck), Spider-Man (depending on if Spider-Sense bypasses illusions), Iron Man (depends on if seeing the release through cameras still puts you under its effect), Loki, Psylocke (depends on how nerfed she is at the time), Caiera (if she does what she did in that What If??), Red She Hulk (Can apparently punch through dimensions).
Aizen's biggest problem? Anyone he'd manage to kill would just show up alive within 6 months anyway. Oh and many of the villains in the Marvel-verse have already slaughtered entire towns/countries/planets. Aizen couldn't even slaughter one. Plus he was impressed when he thought he destroyed a mountain near the peak of his eventual power.
Marvel people who can steamroll Aizen off the top of my head: Prof X, Emma Frost, Jean Gray, Stepford Cuckoos, Franklin Richards, the Hulk, Squirrel Girl, Blackheart, Ghost Rider, Mephisto, several variations of Dr. Doom, Galactus, Legion, Nimrod, Black Queen, the Sentry. Black Bolt, Silver Surfer, Dormammu.
Marvel people who might be able to defeat Aizen:
Longshot (Depends on his luck), Spider-Man (depending on if Spider-Sense bypasses illusions), Iron Man (depends on if seeing the release through cameras still puts you under its effect), Loki, Psylocke (depends on how nerfed she is at the time), Caiera (if she does what she did in that What If??), Red She Hulk (Can apparently punch through dimensions).
Aizen's biggest problem? Anyone he'd manage to kill would just show up alive within 6 months anyway. Oh and many of the villains in the Marvel-verse have already slaughtered entire towns/countries/planets. Aizen couldn't even slaughter one. Plus he was impressed when he thought he destroyed a mountain near the peak of his eventual power.
KS doesn't mind control. It shows you illusions. Very convincing illusions but illusions none the less.
Granted if they aren't aware they're under it he can certainly make them do things by showing them something and making them react to it in ways that furthers his plans along, ie: Making Hitsugaya stab through Hinamori by making her look like him in that absolutely stupid sequence, but mind control implies I'm in ur body controlling ur moves.
Psychics are pretty much going to be aware of it from the getgo, that's what sucks about mind readers. Of course whether or not they can do anything about it depends on the person and their ability, Aizen is absurdly strong. Given the theirs of powers Psychics tend to have though, I'd probably assume most could handle him. Not in a straight fight obviously in most cases, but that's the thing about Marvel psychics, straight fights aren't happening. This isn't shonen. From what little I've seen of them, I know they're just that broken.
Granted if they aren't aware they're under it he can certainly make them do things by showing them something and making them react to it in ways that furthers his plans along, ie: Making Hitsugaya stab through Hinamori by making her look like him in that absolutely stupid sequence, but mind control implies I'm in ur body controlling ur moves.
Psychics are pretty much going to be aware of it from the getgo, that's what sucks about mind readers. Of course whether or not they can do anything about it depends on the person and their ability, Aizen is absurdly strong. Given the theirs of powers Psychics tend to have though, I'd probably assume most could handle him. Not in a straight fight obviously in most cases, but that's the thing about Marvel psychics, straight fights aren't happening. This isn't shonen. From what little I've seen of them, I know they're just that broken.
^That. His facade was rather convincing there. Mind I'm not saying they're bad illusions, he controls all five senses so you're pretty much forced to accept what you see as reality if you're unaware. But Mind Control that aint, just the highest level of misdirection. If you sit down and do nothing, Aizen can't make you do anything, basically. You have to do it yourself. Aizen just has to provide you the means to get motivated to do so.