Bleach Bleach vs X-Men
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BUT JUGGERNAUT SHRUGGED OFF THOR
And I'm pretty sure there was a run where Wolverine shat fireballs. "X did something fuckdiculous that one time in that one run" does not a valid argument make. If no specific version is specified, then it's understood that we're doing standard. Standard Juggernaut is not that tough. I stand by exactly what I said. Juggernaut would lose. Magneto would lose horribly. Silver Surfer would be interesting. Thanos is maybe. Galactus is no.
And I'm pretty sure there was a run where Wolverine shat fireballs. "X did something fuckdiculous that one time in that one run" does not a valid argument make. If no specific version is specified, then it's understood that we're doing standard. Standard Juggernaut is not that tough. I stand by exactly what I said. Juggernaut would lose. Magneto would lose horribly. Silver Surfer would be interesting. Thanos is maybe. Galactus is no.
Standard Juggernaut is that tough. He made a career of tussling with Thor, Hulk and the other Marvel bricks. The X-men generally need their entire line-up just to slow him down. Aizen would be nohing special. Magneto might lose, unless his helmet protects him from the illusions (likely). Bringing Cosmic into this is silly.
What Liam-Don said. Standard Juggernaut is NOT the depowered crap that you may have seen in the X-Men lineup for a short while. That's Juggernaut with just his gargantuan size and super strength, he's lost nearly everything that made him Juggernaut and was just the strong guy.
Standard one? That's the guy who DUG THROUGH BEDROCK FOR SIX MONTHS to get out from a cement trap and destabilized the entire tectonic plaque as a side effect. It's the guy who got skeletonized by D'Spayre and was still alive because being an avatar of Cyttorak means you can't die unless Cyttorak LETS you (that was addressed a few times when Xavier said Cain couldn't die even if he wanted to, unless something more powerful than his patron god tried it - the most Xavier could do would be lobotomize him, and even that may not be permanent, as Juggernaut magically regenerates over time when he actually DOES get injured). It's the guy who hung out multiple times against Hulk and Thor and actually managed to injure Silver Surfer.
Oh, and he did beat to near death the whole Avengers lineup at least twice, Excalibur nearly a dozen times, and literally walked all over Captain Britain one-on-one (no, really, he left footprints all over him).
Cain's life is full of nothing but high showings. It's the LOW showings that are rare and unusual. Standard Cain is the guy who curbstomps the entire X-Men lineup at once with little effort and conveniently gets defeated only by a heavy psychic attack when someone knocks his helmet off - and only flying bricks and Colossus have been able to do so, to boot.
Standard one? That's the guy who DUG THROUGH BEDROCK FOR SIX MONTHS to get out from a cement trap and destabilized the entire tectonic plaque as a side effect. It's the guy who got skeletonized by D'Spayre and was still alive because being an avatar of Cyttorak means you can't die unless Cyttorak LETS you (that was addressed a few times when Xavier said Cain couldn't die even if he wanted to, unless something more powerful than his patron god tried it - the most Xavier could do would be lobotomize him, and even that may not be permanent, as Juggernaut magically regenerates over time when he actually DOES get injured). It's the guy who hung out multiple times against Hulk and Thor and actually managed to injure Silver Surfer.
Oh, and he did beat to near death the whole Avengers lineup at least twice, Excalibur nearly a dozen times, and literally walked all over Captain Britain one-on-one (no, really, he left footprints all over him).
Cain's life is full of nothing but high showings. It's the LOW showings that are rare and unusual. Standard Cain is the guy who curbstomps the entire X-Men lineup at once with little effort and conveniently gets defeated only by a heavy psychic attack when someone knocks his helmet off - and only flying bricks and Colossus have been able to do so, to boot.
Honest question from someone who's only experience with X-men comes from the old cartoon. Does Juggs have a way to deal with super speed in an offensive manner? As in, obviously he can tank the hits, but can he catch a speedster? Secondly, is Juggernauts armor/helmet as relatively invulnerable as he is?
Alright, In that case, I believe the fight would come to a draw, since Cain is immune to illusions? I think someone mentioned that. It'd basically be Aizen zipping around trying kido and such on Juggernaut until he runs through his repertoire, at which point he would retreat, since previous to Hogyoku power tripping he wasn't silly enough to hang around and fight someone who could ruin his shit.
That said, a lucky hit from Juggs would likely ruin his day.
That said, a lucky hit from Juggs would likely ruin his day.
Hmmm...
Aizen vrs Xavier? Xavier wins.
Ichigo vrs Wolverine? depends on if Ichigo is fighting the way he did against Byakuya and Ulquiorra, or if he is in one of his doubtful/hesitant funks. Zanpaktou's ability to cut and resist being damaged isn't reliant on what your striking is made of, but instead on a comparison of will to cut/resist and sheer power. Zanpaktou should be able to cut through adamantium and vibravium easily *EDIT* supposing that the shinigami doesn't buy into the 'indestructible' hype *END EDIT*. Barriers formed from mutations/superpowers/etcetera should be much more resistant due to being formed from energy and willpower.
I noticed someone pointing out Aizen vrs Hulk, and claiming hulk would win... when did The Hulk become immune to illusions? One of the few instances where bleach could come out on top against a marvel top contender. Against top tier shinigami, all they probably have to do is be fast enough and have a strong enough desire to cut, albeit it would require a huge amount and probably beheading.
Thor. Galactus. Silver Surfer. Juggernaut. Scarlet Witch. Xavier. Phoenix. And a boatload more. They all can wtfpwn any shinigami.
Aizen vrs Xavier? Xavier wins.
Ichigo vrs Wolverine? depends on if Ichigo is fighting the way he did against Byakuya and Ulquiorra, or if he is in one of his doubtful/hesitant funks. Zanpaktou's ability to cut and resist being damaged isn't reliant on what your striking is made of, but instead on a comparison of will to cut/resist and sheer power. Zanpaktou should be able to cut through adamantium and vibravium easily *EDIT* supposing that the shinigami doesn't buy into the 'indestructible' hype *END EDIT*. Barriers formed from mutations/superpowers/etcetera should be much more resistant due to being formed from energy and willpower.
I noticed someone pointing out Aizen vrs Hulk, and claiming hulk would win... when did The Hulk become immune to illusions? One of the few instances where bleach could come out on top against a marvel top contender. Against top tier shinigami, all they probably have to do is be fast enough and have a strong enough desire to cut, albeit it would require a huge amount and probably beheading.
Thor. Galactus. Silver Surfer. Juggernaut. Scarlet Witch. Xavier. Phoenix. And a boatload more. They all can wtfpwn any shinigami.
Even if you take away Thor's Uru hammer, he no longer reverts back to Blake when he's separated from it for a minute, and the belt only counts for Ultimate Thor - classic Thor is just that damn strong and tough.
I mean, VOLSTAGG shrugged off a whole army's worth of missile and laser salvo (and accidentally killed a football stadium's worth of humans by deflecting said salvo), and wasn't even singed - and Volstagg couldn't even make Thor sweat in a direct fight.
The Hulk isn't immune to illusions, but once his rage hits a certain level they no longer work as they should - as both Reed Richards and Dr. Strange found out firsthand in a most brutal fashion.
I mean, VOLSTAGG shrugged off a whole army's worth of missile and laser salvo (and accidentally killed a football stadium's worth of humans by deflecting said salvo), and wasn't even singed - and Volstagg couldn't even make Thor sweat in a direct fight.
The Hulk isn't immune to illusions, but once his rage hits a certain level they no longer work as they should - as both Reed Richards and Dr. Strange found out firsthand in a most brutal fashion.
Another tidbit to consider, a hollows mask contains their fractured psyche right? If that's the case, would a Vizard's mask act in the same manner as an anti psychic helm? It's a bit iffy of a concept, but could make for an interesting argument.
Also, you talk like Aizen is stupid. Before his whole 'I have transcended' ego trip, he was a badass manipulator and observer, he would notice that Hulk was getting stronger as he got angrier, and would switch tactics. His sword can control all five senses, would hulk stay angry if he was getting pleasant imagery and sensation? Even if he had fully made Hulk think he needed smashed, he has shown the willingness and skill to fake his death canonically.
Also, you talk like Aizen is stupid. Before his whole 'I have transcended' ego trip, he was a badass manipulator and observer, he would notice that Hulk was getting stronger as he got angrier, and would switch tactics. His sword can control all five senses, would hulk stay angry if he was getting pleasant imagery and sensation? Even if he had fully made Hulk think he needed smashed, he has shown the willingness and skill to fake his death canonically.
This in general.
He's not MOTHERFUCKING AIZEN because of sheer brute force, but because he's the most diabolical villain of the Bleach world who spent centuries crafting his plans and cultivating an image that makes him look like the ultimate benevolent force, completely fooling everyone in the Seireitei and making them his bitches in broad daylight, mercilessly gamed the system of Central 46 and had Seireitei blindly following his orders. And that's not bringing up how he handpicked Momo and manipulated her feelings to the point she automatically believed Aizen's letter and came right the fuck after her longtime friend with intent to kill him and avenge Aizen's death.
Knowing Aizen, Xavier is already sixteen steps behind him before the fight ever comes up. Fighting Aizen on his plane of existence and even counting psychic powers the same as reishi, Xavier is pretty boned. Because Aizen's power lies in his words, not just the ability to LOLBLOCK your attacks with his index finger.
Well, that and being Crazy Prepared.
He's not MOTHERFUCKING AIZEN because of sheer brute force, but because he's the most diabolical villain of the Bleach world who spent centuries crafting his plans and cultivating an image that makes him look like the ultimate benevolent force, completely fooling everyone in the Seireitei and making them his bitches in broad daylight, mercilessly gamed the system of Central 46 and had Seireitei blindly following his orders. And that's not bringing up how he handpicked Momo and manipulated her feelings to the point she automatically believed Aizen's letter and came right the fuck after her longtime friend with intent to kill him and avenge Aizen's death.
Knowing Aizen, Xavier is already sixteen steps behind him before the fight ever comes up. Fighting Aizen on his plane of existence and even counting psychic powers the same as reishi, Xavier is pretty boned. Because Aizen's power lies in his words, not just the ability to LOLBLOCK your attacks with his index finger.
Well, that and being Crazy Prepared.
He's gonna run a Xanatos Gamibt, against a telepath, who can pull the entire plan, down to the last detail, directly out of his mind, with perfect accuracy, with about a quarter-second of effort, anytime he wants, from anywhere in the world. Really? He's good; he's not that good.
Hulk? Yeah, he could get Hulk that way.
Hulk? Yeah, he could get Hulk that way.