Bleach Bleach vs X-Men

shinzero01

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#26
Lord Raine said:
If they were placed in an arena twenty feet apart with the intent to kill each other, X would instantaneously die, because he has no reishi, and thus is totally unprotected from Aizen's aura, which would instantly vaporize him.
Depends. You're applying Bleach rules to the scenario but not Marvel rules.
I could go by Pokemon rules and declare Aizen the winner since psychics are weak to ghosts.
Or I could go by Marvel rules and point out that Marvel psychics can injure and defend against nearly everything just because psychic power is that hax.

Even if Xavier loses (and why would he even be within 20 feet of Aizen when he doesn't even need to get out of bed to deal with the guy), Aizen's mere presence would have attracted the attention of Dr. Strange. That matchup is an automatic loss for Aizen.
 

TC_Hazard

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#27
shinzero01 said:
Lord Raine said:
If they were placed in an arena twenty feet apart with the intent to kill each other, X would instantaneously die, because he has no reishi, and thus is totally unprotected from Aizen's aura, which would instantly vaporize him.
Depends. You're applying Bleach rules to the scenario but not Marvel rules.
I could go by Pokemon rules and declare Aizen the winner since psychics are weak to ghosts.
Or I could go by Marvel rules and point out that Marvel psychics can injure and defend against nearly everything just because psychic power is that hax.

Even if Xavier loses (and why would he even be within 20 feet of Aizen when he doesn't even need to get out of bed to deal with the guy), Aizen's mere presence would have attracted the attention of Dr. Strange. That matchup is an automatic loss for Aizen.
Oh, I just love that one. Aizen wins, but then this stronger guy comes along and beats him. Therefore he loses. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Awesome!

Plus, Current Strange is not beating anyone. That's what happens when you have to be nerfed in order for big events to happen.
 

shinzero01

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#28
TC_Hazard said:
shinzero01 said:
Lord Raine said:
If they were placed in an arena twenty feet apart with the intent to kill each other, X would instantaneously die, because he has no reishi, and thus is totally unprotected from Aizen's aura, which would instantly vaporize him.
Depends. You're applying Bleach rules to the scenario but not Marvel rules.
I could go by Pokemon rules and declare Aizen the winner since psychics are weak to ghosts.
Or I could go by Marvel rules and point out that Marvel psychics can injure and defend against nearly everything just because psychic power is that hax.

Even if Xavier loses (and why would he even be within 20 feet of Aizen when he doesn't even need to get out of bed to deal with the guy), Aizen's mere presence would have attracted the attention of Dr. Strange. That matchup is an automatic loss for Aizen.
Oh, I just love that one. Aizen wins, but then this stronger guy comes along and beats him. Therefore he loses. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Awesome!

Plus, Current Strange is not beating anyone. That's what happens when you have to be nerfed in order for big events to happen.
I brought up Strange because thats a simple fact that he's the person that deals with beings like Shinigami on a regular basis. Also that he WOULD in fact know. That doesn't even deal with the fact that Xavier would know unless plot gave him a reason not to know. To put it simply, Normal Aizen needs the hyougoku to even be a threat in a 1 on 1 setting where both fights are aware of each other. All that gets Aizen is a shit ton of power and the apparent inability to even remember that his Zanpakuto is more than just blade. The X-men dealt with creatures like Aizen on a semi-regular basis.

Xavier's hyougoku equivalent would either be Onslaught or Cerebro. With Cerebro? He could snuff out all life on the planet with a thought. As Onslaught? He could literally think you into another dimension.

Also, kudos for bringing up nerfed Strange. Thats like bringing up the sealed and bound Aizen. Right now, Aizen can't do much more than cackle and stare blankly at walls.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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#29
Even if he wasn't sealed he lost all his uber power. Even with the orb the only thing he's got now is the fact that he's immortal for some asinine reason.

And even with that he'd still lose. You don't have to kill to win afterall, and if anyone can win without killing, it's a Marvel Psychic.
 

TC_Hazard

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#30
shinzero01 said:
TC_Hazard said:
shinzero01 said:
Lord Raine said:
If they were placed in an arena twenty feet apart with the intent to kill each other, X would instantaneously die, because he has no reishi, and thus is totally unprotected from Aizen's aura, which would instantly vaporize him.
Depends. You're applying Bleach rules to the scenario but not Marvel rules.
I could go by Pokemon rules and declare Aizen the winner since psychics are weak to ghosts.
Or I could go by Marvel rules and point out that Marvel psychics can injure and defend against nearly everything just because psychic power is that hax.

Even if Xavier loses (and why would he even be within 20 feet of Aizen when he doesn't even need to get out of bed to deal with the guy), Aizen's mere presence would have attracted the attention of Dr. Strange. That matchup is an automatic loss for Aizen.
Oh, I just love that one. Aizen wins, but then this stronger guy comes along and beats him. Therefore he loses. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Awesome!

Plus, Current Strange is not beating anyone. That's what happens when you have to be nerfed in order for big events to happen.
I brought up Strange because thats a simple fact that he's the person that deals with beings like Shinigami on a regular basis. Also that he WOULD in fact know. That doesn't even deal with the fact that Xavier would know unless plot gave him a reason not to know. To put it simply, Normal Aizen needs the hyougoku to even be a threat in a 1 on 1 setting where both fights are aware of each other. All that gets Aizen is a shit ton of power and the apparent inability to even remember that his Zanpakuto is more than just blade. The X-men dealt with creatures like Aizen on a semi-regular basis.

Xavier's hyougoku equivalent would either be Onslaught or Cerebro. With Cerebro? He could snuff out all life on the planet with a thought. As Onslaught? He could literally think you into another dimension.

Also, kudos for bringing up nerfed Strange. Thats like bringing up the sealed and bound Aizen. Right now, Aizen can't do much more than cackle and stare blankly at walls.
You brought up Strange for something that has nothing to do with the simple "Aizen vs Xavier"?

Awesome!
 

Lord Raine

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#31
Depends. You're applying Bleach rules to the scenario but not Marvel rules.
I could go by Pokemon rules and declare Aizen the winner since psychics are weak to ghosts.
Or I could go by Marvel rules and point out that Marvel psychics can injure and defend against nearly everything just because psychic power is that hax.
No, I'm applying both Bleach and Marvel rules. What you're doing is handing out plot-armor to Xavier. Stop sucking his cock and use your head for one fucking second, please. Aizen wins because Xavier has no spirit power. It's Xavier's bad luck that the OP was retarded enough to pair him up against an opponent that autowins against anyone who doesn't have his own universe's brand of power.

If you would like to propose a new matchup between Xavier and Aizen wherein psychic powers act as an acceptable stand-in for reishi, then go right ahead. Just don't try and bullshit that sideways into the current matchup.

BUT THAT'S ONLY IN FINAL FORM LORD RAINE
No it's not. Yamamoto has enough spirit energy to put a seated officer into a coma just by glaring at them. Aizen has more power than Yamamoto does (or rather, they have equal amounts of it. They both topped the charts in the official data). If Aizen got serious, humans with no spiritual pressure would be instakilled around him, no save. There is a reason they are called Gods of Death.
 

Seed00

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#32
Also, kudos for bringing up nerfed Strange. Thats like bringing up the sealed and bound Aizen. Right now, Aizen can't do much more than cackle and stare blankly at walls.
Not even that. Aizen is muted and blind for the next 20k years.
 

shinzero01

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#35
Lord Raine said:
Depends. You're applying Bleach rules to the scenario but not Marvel rules.
I could go by Pokemon rules and declare Aizen the winner since psychics are weak to ghosts.
Or I could go by Marvel rules and point out that Marvel psychics can injure and defend against nearly everything just because psychic power is that hax.
No, I'm applying both Bleach and Marvel rules. What you're doing is handing out plot-armor to Xavier. Stop sucking his cock and use your head for one fucking second, please. Aizen wins because Xavier has no spirit power. It's Xavier's bad luck that the OP was retarded enough to pair him up against an opponent that autowins against anyone who doesn't have his own universe's brand of power.

If you would like to propose a new matchup between Xavier and Aizen wherein psychic powers act as an acceptable stand-in for reishi, then go right ahead. Just don't try and bullshit that sideways into the current matchup.

BUT THAT'S ONLY IN FINAL FORM LORD RAINE
No it's not. Yamamoto has enough spirit energy to put a seated officer into a coma just by glaring at them. Aizen has more power than Yamamoto does (or rather, they have equal amounts of it. They both topped the charts in the official data). If Aizen got serious, humans with no spiritual pressure would be instakilled around him, no save. There is a reason they are called Gods of Death.
I've already noted several times in various threads that I dislike Marvel's psychics in general because of how OP they are. Nothing changes the fact that Xavier being within 20 fet/meters/miles/continents isn't required for him to kill Aizen. Marvel psychics in general hit the Astral realm and deal with spiritual threats without EVER actually being physically near the being they're fighting. Nevermind that they can generally sense overpowered beings.

But yes. I suppose that if Aizen somehow managed to get the drop on Xavier and stand within whatever range is needed for Xavier to explode like that random Salaryman that shouldn't have even been awake,then he'd win by Bleach rules. Though I should note that you're basically handing the win to Aizen by completely ignoring Marvel's 'rules' which basically stems down to "If it is sentient and doesn't have a specifically stated immunity to psychic powers, a psychic can fuck it up just by thinking at it." Its not just Prof X, he's just the most well known and blatantly powerful example.


Edit: Ichigo vs Wolverine depends entirely on the version of Ichigo you're using and the version of Wolverine you're using. Either way, Wolverine would most likely be the person most willing to kill from the get-go. Then again a 'kill' for Wolverine could just wake up Hollow-Ichigo's last form which would probably end like the Ulquirra fight did only without Wolverine actually dying from it.
 

zeebee1

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#36
Wolverine can't fly, and Ichigo is willing to kill. We don't even know if he has reservations about killing the living. he just want's a fair fight.

In the end Ichigo would throw so many attacks that one would inevitably sever Wolverine's head.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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#37
Current Ichigo's pretty screwed in every sense of the word. I'm not familiar enough with Wolverine to know how he'd match up with SS or HM states, but Adamantium's pretty indestructible and his AOE potential is pretty much garbage. I suppose speed + a well placed slash might be enough from what I'd heard, meaning his HM form's screwed but his SS capabilities should be pretty handy.
 

GenocideHeart

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#38
Lord Raine said:
No, I'm applying both Bleach and Marvel rules. What you're doing is handing out plot-armor to Xavier. Stop sucking his cock and use your head for one fucking second, please. Aizen wins because Xavier has no spirit power. It's Xavier's bad luck that the OP was retarded enough to pair him up against an opponent that autowins against anyone who doesn't have his own universe's brand of power.
So wait, Aizen autowins against, say, Juggernaut, Phoenix, Magneto or Silver Surfer? Thanos? Motherfucking Galactus? Because that's what "anyone" means, in case you missed the memo.

Congrats on making a broad generalized statement that's also blatantly wrong. :rolleyes:
 

shinzero01

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#39
Well obviously. The Opinionator over there thinks Aizen would autowin so of course thats what will happen.

Though I'd find it more likely that going to a universe where reishi doesn't exist at all would be bad for the person who's relies entirely upon it. Even assuming they're in a universe where the power source of both can exist is tricky since blatantly putting Xavier within exploding rage from the getgo is just fanwanking to Aizen. Though using that same logic, putting Aizen on the same planet as Xavier is just fanwanking to Xavier.
 

Lord Raine

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#40
GenocideHeart said:
Lord Raine said:
No, I'm applying both Bleach and Marvel rules. What you're doing is handing out plot-armor to Xavier. Stop sucking his cock and use your head for one fucking second, please. Aizen wins because Xavier has no spirit power. It's Xavier's bad luck that the OP was retarded enough to pair him up against an opponent that autowins against anyone who doesn't have his own universe's brand of power.
So wait, Aizen autowins against, say, Juggernaut, Phoenix, Magneto or Silver Surfer? Thanos? Motherfucking Galactus? Because that's what "anyone" means, in case you missed the memo.
Except that several of those individuals have in their resumes the stated ability to bullshit powers that they don't even have, which means that, for the sake of the argument, they technically do have reishi.

But if you want to be a bitch about it and deliberately misinterpret what I said, go right ahead. Juggernaut would lose. Magneto would lose. Silver Surfer would be interesting, and you could pitch it a few different ways. Thanos depends. Galactus is no.

Well obviously. The Opinionator over there thinks Aizen would autowin so of course thats what will happen.
'Opinionator?' That's what you've got? That? I'm sorry, but could you at least pretend to not be an utterly butthurt little whore who finds it insulting that other people have things you never will, like those goddamn wretched opinions?

Opinions. That motherfucker. I cannot believe that son of a bitch would have fucking opinions. THIS TIME, LORD RAINE, YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR.
 

GenocideHeart

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#41
Considering that Juggernaut was completely unharmed by a full discharge of Thor's Uru hammer (it pushed him back, but he wasn't even singed), and Thor's hammer is a heavily magical artifact that calls upon a cosmic power like the Odinforce, I'll call bullshit on Aizen's reiatsu working on him.

Cain is, after all, protected by a God's blessing as his avatar. His sheer endurance is always shown as top class, whether it be physical or magical, with the only exception of telepathic attacks. Deadly radiation doesn't affect him, the fires of Hell just piss him off, he shrugs off Thor's magical lightning blast, Iron Fist broke his hand when he tried using his Chi techniques on him and Juggernaut was unharmed... there's one constant with Juggernaut, and that constant is that unless he's depowered or you are a major reality warper (Hi, Onslaught!) and/or attacking his mind while his helmet is off, he's pretty much impervious to damage of all kinds.

Aizen isn't a reality warper, and his magic doesn't compare to Thor's Uru hammer (which can blow up planets if needed), or for that matter to D'Spayre (who killed entire planets in his existence). Worse still, Kyouka Suigetsu isn't telepathy, it's illusions, and illusions don't work on Juggernaut regardless of source - proved multiple times in-universe, mostly by Scarlet Witch (who also wields the power of an elder God, no less - her powersource and patron is Chthon). His chances of even injuring Cain, let alone autowinning against him, are pretty much nil, and while Aizen is far faster, Cain DOESN'T GROW TIRED. He'll just outlast him.

As for Magneto? He can enter the astral plane, and killing his body isn't enough - he can exist as an electromagnetic specter in the astral plane. That's overloking how he's blatantly proved he can shield himself from unknown energies, and MANIPULATE SPIRITUAL ENERGIES as well (that's the big clincher).

In fact, the fact Magneto has been shown dissipating spiritual entities by destabilizing and nullifying their energy matrix (Hi, Proteus! And Proteus was a reality warper to boot...) is reason enough to believe even if he doesn't have reiatsu, he can control it, since it's a form of spiritual energy, and for the last 10 years Mags has been known to be able to manipulate spiritual power.

As for Silver Surfer, he's the guy who can literally turn his opponent into a chicken with a thought (reality warping due to Cosmic Power, remember? Hell he could MAKE AIZEN ALIVE AGAIN, if so inclined - resurrection IS within his powers, but he doesn't do it because it overtaxes him and causes instability in the multiverse), is unharmed by hellfire (which canonically burns body and soul alike in Marvel), hurts Mephisto with his mere presence and is capable of manipulating any and all types of energies, kinda like Magneto but on major crack. Then again, he DOES wield a fraction of Galactus's power - and a fraction of infinity is still infinity. I can see him just turning Aizen's Zanpakuto into a flower bouquet - Surfer is normally HEAVILY nerfed, because in a straight fight with anything not Herald or Skyfather level, he'd horribly horribly horribly rape them. Without trying.
 

GenocideHeart

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#43
perfect_solider said:
if Galactus is so OP...how can the F4 go after him on a semi regular basis?
Because they usually fight him when he's starved to near death and at his weakest. And even then they have help - either a Watcher conveniently telling them about the Ultimate Nullifier, or the entire roster of superheroes all ganging up on him at once when he's weak.

In Annihilation, we see what a pissed off Galactus can REALLY do even at his weakest. After spending the whole miniseries being drained of power by Annihilus, as soon as he breaks free (and he's basically keeling over in hunger at that point) he throws a massive fit and obliterates the whole Annihilation Wave in one blast, taking out two neighboring star systems and an unfortunate Watcher as well in the process by accident. And the blast he used was still spreading, so more collateral damage is possible.

Keep in mind the Annihilation Wave was only slightly smaller than a Tyranid Hive Fleet. He nuked all of them in one go. Annihilus barely got away with his life by fleeing back in the Negative Zone.
 

byakuryuu

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#44
On a side note, Galactus or Thanos? Not as in, "Versus one another", more in "I can cause more friggin' devastation than you". Been plaguing me for years, and most opinions I heard turn into nerdrage drive-throughs. Opinions are welcome.

Also, what's been happening with Bleach? I thought it was over. Buddies've been saying it's back... but not readable anymore.
 

GenocideHeart

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#45
byakuryuu said:
On a side note, Galactus or Thanos? Not as in, "Versus one another", more in "I can cause more friggin' devastation than you". Been plaguing me for years, and most opinions I heard turn into nerdrage drive-throughs. Opinions are welcome.

Also, what's been happening with Bleach? I thought it was over. Buddies've been saying it's back... but not readable anymore.
Galactus and Thanos DID face each other, and Thanos didn't even TRY to directly attack Galactus - he admitted he was outmatched there. Instead he used Moondragon to access Galactus's mind and tried to mindrape him. Unfortunately he was completely unsubtle about it, and Galactus got pissy at the tentacle mindrape (no, really, Thanos sprouted TENTACLES - way to be subtle there) and nearly stomped Thanos on the spot. Moondragon got away with a nasty headache, and Thanos had to reconsider his plans.
 

TC_Hazard

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#46
byakuryuu said:
On a side note, Galactus or Thanos? Not as in, "Versus one another", more in "I can cause more friggin' devastation than you". Been plaguing me for years, and most opinions I heard turn into nerdrage drive-throughs. Opinions are welcome.

Also, what's been happening with Bleach? I thought it was over. Buddies've been saying it's back... but not readable anymore.
Galactus can cause a whole lot more damage than a baseline Thanos. But Thanos just so happens to stumble upon (not really) stuff that can put him above Galactus at certain points.
 

byakuryuu

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#47
GenocideHeart said:
byakuryuu said:
On a side note, Galactus or Thanos? Not as in, "Versus one another", more in "I can cause more friggin' devastation than you". Been plaguing me for years, and most opinions I heard turn into nerdrage drive-throughs. Opinions are welcome.

Also, what's been happening with Bleach? I thought it was over.? Buddies've been saying it's back... but not readable anymore.
Galactus and Thanos DID face each other, and Thanos didn't even TRY to directly attack Galactus - he admitted he was outmatched there. Instead he used Moondragon to access Galactus's mind and tried to mindrape him. Unfortunately he was completely unsubtle about it, and Galactus got pissy at the tentacle mindrape (no, really, Thanos sprouted TENTACLES - way to be subtle there) and nearly stomped Thanos on the spot. Moondragon got away with a nasty headache, and Thanos had to reconsider his plans.
And... Yaoi Fandom hasn't pounced on it why? :mellow:
 

shinzero01

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#48
Lord Raine said:
Well obviously. The Opinionator over there thinks Aizen would autowin so of course thats what will happen.
'Opinionator?' That's what you've got? That? I'm sorry, but could you at least pretend to not be an utterly butthurt little whore who finds it insulting that other people have things you never will, like those goddamn wretched opinions?

Opinions. That motherfucker. I cannot believe that son of a bitch would have fucking opinions. THIS TIME, LORD RAINE, YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR.
Well I see you've reverted back to focusing on a single part of larger post while totally ignoring anything else in said post. Good game LR, you win by default. I'm not fluent enough in troll to compete.
 

GenocideHeart

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#49
byakuryuu said:
GenocideHeart said:
byakuryuu said:
On a side note, Galactus or Thanos? Not as in, "Versus one another", more in "I can cause more friggin' devastation than you". Been plaguing me for years, and most opinions I heard turn into nerdrage drive-throughs. Opinions are welcome.

Also, what's been happening with Bleach? I thought it was over.á Buddies've been saying it's back... but not readable anymore.
Galactus and Thanos DID face each other, and Thanos didn't even TRY to directly attack Galactus - he admitted he was outmatched there. Instead he used Moondragon to access Galactus's mind and tried to mindrape him. Unfortunately he was completely unsubtle about it, and Galactus got pissy at the tentacle mindrape (no, really, Thanos sprouted TENTACLES - way to be subtle there) and nearly stomped Thanos on the spot. Moondragon got away with a nasty headache, and Thanos had to reconsider his plans.
And... Yaoi Fandom hasn't pounced on it why? :mellow:
Because neither G nor Thanos are pretty enough for them, duh.
 
#50
GenocideHeart said:
byakuryuu said:
GenocideHeart said:
byakuryuu said:
On a side note, Galactus or Thanos? Not as in, "Versus one another", more in "I can cause more friggin' devastation than you". Been plaguing me for years, and most opinions I heard turn into nerdrage drive-throughs. Opinions are welcome.

Also, what's been happening with Bleach? I thought it was over.á Buddies've been saying it's back... but not readable anymore.
Galactus and Thanos DID face each other, and Thanos didn't even TRY to directly attack Galactus - he admitted he was outmatched there. Instead he used Moondragon to access Galactus's mind and tried to mindrape him. Unfortunately he was completely unsubtle about it, and Galactus got pissy at the tentacle mindrape (no, really, Thanos sprouted TENTACLES - way to be subtle there) and nearly stomped Thanos on the spot. Moondragon got away with a nasty headache, and Thanos had to reconsider his plans.
And... Yaoi Fandom hasn't pounced on it why? :mellow:
Because neither G nor Thanos are pretty enough for them, duh.
Galactus and Thanos both have hot daughters though. Yuri fans should be over that.
 
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