Naruto Boruto 001+ - Manga discussion

[ankokudaishogun]

But we know that the Sharingan unlocks new abilities at each stage instead

No, we don't.

Hell, we discussed a couple times in the Narutoversity\Questions\Rereading topics, all the Sharingan abilities are there from the start the difference is they get better with each tomoe.

The scene linked doesn't work as well without the previous ones, showing Sasuke gettign just a small anticipation of Naruto's movements. the third tomoe marked a BIG improvement but the basis were already there.

Also, Salada is both better trained and more intelligent than Sasuke, so it makes sense she'd be able to use the Sharingan better.
If anything, in the episode she did show having too much stamina(though fainting at the end), though she IS physically stronger than even Chocho

 

[Knyght]

Nay, sir. I would only ever say that the Sharingan had all of its abilities from the start if I'm talking about it in the absolute broadest sense like saying it has powers in "visual perception" and "chakra perception". I know I've literally described it as unlocking new powers at each stage because that's what we're shown happens when we finally see it in action.

 

[Antimatter]

I think it's honestly just for the sake of plot progression. Shes not using much more then Kakashi part 1, before scope creep/power creep kicked into high gear. Copying others movements/jutsus was pretty par for the coarse. Sasuke and Sakura probably also played a lot into her training since she was younger (her mom) and post reunion (her dad).

 

[Altered Nova]

What are you talking about Anko? I just reread that fight scene, there are no panels where he Sasuke is shown "getting just a small anticipation of Naruto's movements" before he awakens the third tomoe in his Sharingan. He's absolutely shocked when he can suddenly see what Naruto is going to do just by looking at him with his mind's eye; it's clearly an amazing new concept to him and not just an improvement to an ability he was already using.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

I must have mixed it up with the anime, then, where he does get a small anticipation before unlocking the third tomoe(then the anticipation becomes a full-fledged before-image). Unless I am misremembering it, too.


Also: Sasuke never had much chance to actually COPY something: Haku's technique was a kekkei genkai, Orochimaru only used techniques without handseals, Gaara's were due a third-party element, Rasengan was seal-less.
Basically, the only technique he could have copied were Lee's movements and Naruto's Kage Bunshin.
All of this while already having 2+1 tomoe- it's therefore impossible to state whether Salada is portrayed as too god with her Sharingan's copy ability or not.

If anything, while Salada is undoubtedly extremely gifted, I'd chalk her performance against Buntan more as a slight against the Seven Swordmen wannabe than anything: Salada was extremely good, but her opponent was just sub-par(especially compared to those Genin Sasuke had to fight)

 

[Altered Nova]

Maybe it works like the Super Saiyan transformation does? You know, the way that Goten and child Trunks could awaken that transformation with trivial ease apparently because their fathers had already acquired the power themselves before the children were conceived. Perhaps Sarada was born with a stronger than normal Sharingan because her daddy had already awakened the Rinnegan before fathering her.

Yeah, okay that's stupid, but it's the best explanation I can think of that doesn't completely retcon how the bloodline works.

 

[Knyght]

 

[Antimatter]

Wait, Wood style?

 

[Knyght]

How far we've fallen.

 

[Antimatter]

I hadn't watch the new show, but is it wood style as in what the first hokage used? When did she learn to use that?

 

[Knyght]

You know as much as we do. That stat page is literally the first we've heard of it.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

I've made a chart for everybody

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSTcnzZT24P2O4Cbhy08AAtMAAJaLdWBrH_w_HNFD3V1QCvu0HOIUYQbJQchzA0sDEguBpQOErsIB4Y/pubhtml

 

[AoMythology]

The children are pretty impressive, especially Salada.

As for Moegi having Mokuton - ROFL. I hope it's simply a case like Yamato's.

 

[Altered Nova]

Maybe Tsunade's research into creating artificial limbs from her grandfather's cells and studying Orochimaru's old experiments with his DNA led to a medical science breakthrough, and now Hashirama's bloodline limit can be grafted onto older ninja with a high survival rate?

It's probably a watered down, less potent version of the bloodline though. "Emerald Green Technique" and "Vegetation Barrier" don't exactly sound like impressive elite jutsu.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Moegi was Yamato's daughter all along!

 

[AoMythology]

Maybe Tsunade's research into creating artificial limbs from her grandfather's cells and studying Orochimaru's old experiments with his DNA led to a medical science breakthrough, and now Hashirama's bloodline limit can be grafted onto older ninja with a high survival rate?

It's probably a watered down, less potent version of the bloodline though. "Emerald Green Technique" and "Vegetation Barrier" don't exactly sound like impressive elite jutsu.

Yes, that was my thought as well about how she got it.

As for being a watered down version - you have a good point. Then again, Yamato also didn't get the full-fledged version, as far as we know.

 

[Antimatter]

It's also possible she has the abilities naturally, being some sort of relative of his, somewhat removed.

Hell, we know pretty much nothing about it as is, save for the first had it and Yamato had it added to him. Special bloodline jutsu's are seemingly unexplained in how and why they transfer. Naruto didn't have his mothers, and His children are very odd compared to their mothers. Gaara had a variant of his dads, but nether other sibling did.

 

[Altered Nova]

I doubt she awakened the bloodline naturally. The manga goes out of it's way to make Wood Release seem more like a unique ability than a proper bloodline, seeing as how Hashirama was the first to awaken it, nobody else in his clan or even his direct descendants inherited it, and the only other people with the power either stole his flesh or are weird plant people who use it in a completely different way (zetsu are more like fungi than plants what with the spores and parasitism themes of their jutsu.)

Also Wood Release is way more powerful than other two-element combination kekkei genkai AND it's got an unexplained affinity for senjutsu and the ability to suppress the Tailed Beasts that other advanced elements don't have. Plus the ten-tails uses Wood Release but no other advanced element bloodline jutsu. I think it's pretty clear that Wood Release is special in some way compared to the other advanced element bloodlines.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

I don't think she has a watered down version.
I think she has the real thing.
It was Hashirama who had the Horribly Overpowered PLZ NERF version, due being a Senju+Indora's reincarnation.

Also, I don't think Hashirama was the first to have it, only the most known and powerful user.

 

[Altered Nova]

So Asura is the reason that Hashirama's Wood Release is stupidly overpowered and can do special things like suppress the tailed beasts?
Do you think that an Asura reincarnation with a different advanced element bloodline would have a similarly overpowered version of their element?

Also if Wood Release isn't special, then why does it seem to have a unique connection to the God Tree that other advanced elements lack?

 

[Knyght]

*pointedly ignores anything related to Wood Release!Moegi*

Gif Time!

Spoiler

And a pic for kicks.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

I love this anime. It's great and comfy.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Original image for Moegi
https://imgur.com/OXKtjXB

I can confirm the Mokuton, but "Breakthrough Technique" is a mistranslation: Detection Technique would be a better translation, especially given her high skill in Perception and Sensory Techniques

 

[Knyght]

Boruto Chapter 18

 

[Altered Nova]

Man why is Boruto such a sulky stick-in-the-mud? Naruto was a more more interesting and endearing main character than this brat.

I like that they are redeeming Katasuke's character. He's actually a pretty cool guy.

Wait, how does that chakra blade work? Boruto activated it by just pressing the button when he didn't know what it did, so he definitely wasn't kneading chakra. Does the handle suck chakra out of it's wielder against their will? That seems unnecessarily dangerous.

The Fire Nation has an air defense network?