DC Revamp
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The problem with building off of 'the best of the past' is that, quite frankly, DC has no fucking idea what the best actually is, and if they did, there would be a lot more stuff like it, and a lot less stuff like the Joker getting dragon tattoos all over his back and being sorry for the shit he does.
At this point in the comics game, they're playing darts in the dark. It's like that with Marvel, and it's like that with DC, and believe it or not, I'm actually kind of okay with that. I think most fans are. They don't know what we'll like ahead of time, so they put out all kinds of stuff to please everybody.
The problem is when they have the people who wrote it decide what is and isn't the 'best,' as opposed to the people who read it. Only one of those groups can make an objective decision on the subject. It's not the one they're using.
If they were actually trying to go the extra mile for this, they could do something like an online poll. "Rank the best comic runs of this character from best to worst," or something like that, and then work something out from the results. Polls, chats, discussion forums about DC canon that the DC staff participate in. The internet could make this absurdly easy. They don't have to make the decisions behind closed doors. They're just choosing to do it that way because it's easier, which by itself already tells me the general quality this is going to have. If they're taking shortcuts before shit has even started yet, you can bet your farm that they're not going to give a damn for things like contenuity and canon.
If they had tried, this actually could have been a relaunch. Now, though, it's just going to be an exceptionally shitty reboot by virtue of the fact that they're going to try and cram a bunch of random runs in sideways and handwave all the rest.
Oh, and we get to put up with a few years of this EPIC AND AMBITIOUS TOTALLY NOT A REBOOT INITIATIVE, because DC can neither objectively look at itself nor does it recognize that it isn't capable of looking objectively at itself. They'll think this is The Shit, will get confused and angry when the fans hate it, and then eventually quit, blaming us for being too picky and unpleasable.
Because, I mean, it's not like there's some tool that they could use to communicate with thousands of their fans easily and quickly. What the fuck do you think this is, magic?
This is assuming, of course, that they ever relent and put things back the way they're supposed to be. They could just be gigantic asses about this, and keep it permanent like they say they will. I'd like to believe that isn't the case, but then again, somebody had to okay Infinite Crisis. It's not like writers are sneaking things like Superboy Prime and One More Day past the companies. So the ability to recognize a boiled plate of shit is clearly a skill that is lacking in whoever the hell it is that makes these decision.
At this point in the comics game, they're playing darts in the dark. It's like that with Marvel, and it's like that with DC, and believe it or not, I'm actually kind of okay with that. I think most fans are. They don't know what we'll like ahead of time, so they put out all kinds of stuff to please everybody.
The problem is when they have the people who wrote it decide what is and isn't the 'best,' as opposed to the people who read it. Only one of those groups can make an objective decision on the subject. It's not the one they're using.
If they were actually trying to go the extra mile for this, they could do something like an online poll. "Rank the best comic runs of this character from best to worst," or something like that, and then work something out from the results. Polls, chats, discussion forums about DC canon that the DC staff participate in. The internet could make this absurdly easy. They don't have to make the decisions behind closed doors. They're just choosing to do it that way because it's easier, which by itself already tells me the general quality this is going to have. If they're taking shortcuts before shit has even started yet, you can bet your farm that they're not going to give a damn for things like contenuity and canon.
If they had tried, this actually could have been a relaunch. Now, though, it's just going to be an exceptionally shitty reboot by virtue of the fact that they're going to try and cram a bunch of random runs in sideways and handwave all the rest.
Oh, and we get to put up with a few years of this EPIC AND AMBITIOUS TOTALLY NOT A REBOOT INITIATIVE, because DC can neither objectively look at itself nor does it recognize that it isn't capable of looking objectively at itself. They'll think this is The Shit, will get confused and angry when the fans hate it, and then eventually quit, blaming us for being too picky and unpleasable.
Because, I mean, it's not like there's some tool that they could use to communicate with thousands of their fans easily and quickly. What the fuck do you think this is, magic?
This is assuming, of course, that they ever relent and put things back the way they're supposed to be. They could just be gigantic asses about this, and keep it permanent like they say they will. I'd like to believe that isn't the case, but then again, somebody had to okay Infinite Crisis. It's not like writers are sneaking things like Superboy Prime and One More Day past the companies. So the ability to recognize a boiled plate of shit is clearly a skill that is lacking in whoever the hell it is that makes these decision.
Anyone feel like totaling up the buzz-word ratio of DC's answers?
For those who don't know, a 'buzz-word ratio' is a term I've either heard/read somewhere, or just made up, that serves to measure the bullshit level of corporate or political blather. The total number of buzz words (and maybe buzz phrases, like 'set the tone of <whatever> for year to come') vs the total number of words, period. The closer the one is to the other, the more completely bullshit the statement is. This one seems pretty damn high, so I'm quite pessimistic (enough that I couldn't bring myself to finish reading it).
Mind you, the specific example of Batgirl doesn't annoy me to horribly (people do get physical therapy, after all), apart from wondering what's going to happen to Steph and Cass, and questioning the idea that a woman in her late twenties to early thirties still calling herself Batgirl, but I'm sure they're going to horribly screw up loads of other characters, and I could easily see them screwing up all of them.
For those who don't know, a 'buzz-word ratio' is a term I've either heard/read somewhere, or just made up, that serves to measure the bullshit level of corporate or political blather. The total number of buzz words (and maybe buzz phrases, like 'set the tone of <whatever> for year to come') vs the total number of words, period. The closer the one is to the other, the more completely bullshit the statement is. This one seems pretty damn high, so I'm quite pessimistic (enough that I couldn't bring myself to finish reading it).
Mind you, the specific example of Batgirl doesn't annoy me to horribly (people do get physical therapy, after all), apart from wondering what's going to happen to Steph and Cass, and questioning the idea that a woman in her late twenties to early thirties still calling herself Batgirl, but I'm sure they're going to horribly screw up loads of other characters, and I could easily see them screwing up all of them.
Ah, I don't think I've ever read anything that's featured Captain Atom much, so I don't really care. The impression I got was that DC were making him seem more like Dr Manhattan, who as you probably know was the character who Alan Moore created when told he couldn't use the Charlton Comics characters for Watchmen.
As for Blue Beetle, there's an interview with the writer Tony Bedard about it, <a href='http://www.newsarama.com/comics/blue-beetle-tony-bedard-110630.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>.
As for Blue Beetle, there's an interview with the writer Tony Bedard about it, <a href='http://www.newsarama.com/comics/blue-beetle-tony-bedard-110630.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>.
Like I said, I'm a CC fanboy, so I've done some doodling and imagining of what one could do with Captain Atom. I felt I did a good job with him for the isolated CC 'verse I was working on, though it wouldn't have been as well in the greater DC Universe.
Edit: new BB seems kinda cool. I might buy it...
Edit: new BB seems kinda cool. I might buy it...
Ah.
This is interesting.
I didn't see any other woman. In my preview issue, which also has the same cover as on the solicitations, it shows this:
However, after checking on the internet, I found who you meant. Previously, it used to show this:
So I have no clue what's happened. Most people thought it was Donna, some thought it was Gypsy...
Oh, but I just found this. I'm not sure if it's official or just a fake, but-
And I have no fucking idea who that is.
EDIT: Apparently it's been <a href='http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/21/live-from-the-dc-new-52-panel-updating/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>confirmed </a>that's Godiva from the Global Guardians. I assume since it's Justice League "International" they wanted an British hero.
...honestly, I'd have liked to see Knight, but I guess having him in the same group as Batman would be redundant.
This is interesting.
I didn't see any other woman. In my preview issue, which also has the same cover as on the solicitations, it shows this:
However, after checking on the internet, I found who you meant. Previously, it used to show this:
So I have no clue what's happened. Most people thought it was Donna, some thought it was Gypsy...
Oh, but I just found this. I'm not sure if it's official or just a fake, but-
And I have no fucking idea who that is.
EDIT: Apparently it's been <a href='http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/21/live-from-the-dc-new-52-panel-updating/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>confirmed </a>that's Godiva from the Global Guardians. I assume since it's Justice League "International" they wanted an British hero.
...honestly, I'd have liked to see Knight, but I guess having him in the same group as Batman would be redundant.
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Did... did DC just make Superman a redneck? :blink:
Will he be dipping snuff, too?
I can't help but wonder, just how long is this alt universe thing supposed to last. Marvel only rewrites reality for like four-six months, tops, then puts it all back to normal (sort of).
One More Day was Marvel realizing that they hit a creative wall. Without Peter pining over MJ they'd either have to keep beating him to death like in The Other or kill someone off to add drama to the plot. Between The Other and the Iron Spider outfit they could've done a lot more but they chose to go back to the basic Spider-Man dilemmas and kept the character from evolving.