DC Revamp

Nohvarr

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Justice League Gods and Monsters
From the mind of Bruce Timm

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11j7WUFaTVg[/video]

"Journey to a divergent reality where the Justice League protects the planet — but answers to no one but themselves. Employing methods of intimidation and fear, this Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman deal brute force in the name of justice. In this alternate universe, Superman was not raised by the Kents in Smallville, the Caped Crusader is not Bruce Wayne, and Wonder Woman is not an Amazon warrior of Themyscira. When a group of famed scientists experience untimely “accidents,” a government task force follows the trail of clues to the Justice League -- but is there a more powerful player operating from the shadows? It’s a high stakes game of intrigue, mystery and action that asks the question: How do you serve justice to those above the law?"
All right so Superman was raised by Zod, Wonder Woman looks like she's a 'New God' and the Bat....not sure, any bets?
 
So it's the adventures of alternate Kal-El, OC and OC?

...Why?
 

Nohvarr

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nixofcyzerra said:
So it's the adventures of alternate Kal-El, OC and OC?

...Why?
Because DC wouldn't let him handle the original characters for fear he'd show them up again. This way they attach his name to a project, give him some creative freedom and if it fails, can tell the fans they tried to bring back the old Timm magic, and if it succeeds....it's a brand new line they can mine for animated/comic stories.

 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
Nohvarr said:
nixofcyzerra said:
So it's the adventures of alternate Kal-El, OC and OC?

...Why?
Because DC wouldn't let him handle the original characters for fear he'd show them up again. This way they attach his name to a project, give him some creative freedom and if it fails, can tell the fans they tried to bring back the old Timm magic, and if it succeeds....it's a brand new line they can mine for animated/comic stories.

Well, they have a good thing going there. I've been avoiding the DC Animated movies for a while, because while I've been interested in buying, I didn't want to spend the money. But if Timm's involved, I'll buy. This is the man who shaped a good part of my childhood/teenage years, with the DCAU.

Plus, I love a good AU story. The summary kind of reminds me of that Planetary/JLA one-shot comic from several years ago... Excited for this one.
 
Nohvarr said:
All right so Superman was raised by Zod, Wonder Woman looks like she's a 'New God' and the Bat....not sure, any bets?
Superman wasn't RAISED by Zod, I think he's actually the Son of Zod rather than Jor-El here. May mean he's actually alternate Chris Kent instead of Clark Kent.

Also, it's apparently getting a series on Machinima or something after the movie comes out.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
Emerald Oracle said:
Nohvarr said:
All right so Superman was raised by Zod, Wonder Woman looks like she's a 'New God' and the Bat....not sure, any bets?
Superman wasn't RAISED by Zod, I think he's actually the Son of Zod rather than Jor-El here. May mean he's actually alternate Chris Kent instead of Clark Kent.

Also, it's apparently getting a series on Machinima or something after the movie comes out.
There's rumors that Batman is actually Dr. Kirk Langstrom, AKA Man-Bat. If that's true, given the trailer, looks like the experiments he was running backfired something fierce.

In fact, Wikipedia states he'll actually be in the film, but not what part he'll be playing.
 

Fellgrave

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Speaking of Miller, what the hell happened to him?

 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
Fellgrave said:
Speaking of Miller, what the hell happened to him?

Beats me. Cancer, maybe? Goddamn, there's a man who aged badly, rapidly.
 

Nohvarr

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Realizing he's going to die, Joker said that at least he "broke all the pieces," referring to his virus currently infecting Gotham, but Batman revealed that he gave them a cure he found so they'd all be fine.

The scene ends with Batman and Joker lying still in a pool of their blood. Knowing that he's saved the city and taken down the Joker, Batman's last words were him telling Julia Pennyworth over the radio, "I'm just going to rest here a while with my friend." And then the roof of the cave came down on them.


As for whether Batman and Joker are truly dead, Snyder told IGN in an interview, "They are dead, and certainly they went into it dying. Bruce doesn't have an escape plan from this one. That's not what happens. Joker doesn't have an escape plan from this. When those rocks come down, they both entirely think they're dead. That's it. And we think they're dead too," also clarifying that "there's no sort of trick to it."

And probably in an attempt to get ahead of fans who say all dead superheroes will eventually come back to life, Snyder added, "But, that said, if we didn't have a story that we really loved about where they're going to end up somehow, we wouldn't do it. You love the characters too much to do that to the fans. So yeah, just stay tuned."
.........*sigh*
 

Nohvarr

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DC universe is changing this summer

First, it seems that Superman will no longer have a secret identity come June. This issue reveals that Lois Lane (who appeared to have finally deduced Clark's secret in Superman #40 this past week) has exposed Superman's life as Clark Kent to the world. Obviously, this doesn't do much for their friendship. The story makes it clear that Clark is still active as Superman, but is now forced into hiding during his down time. This new status quo is the foundation on which incoming Superman writer Gene Luen Yang (creator of the graphic novel American Born Chinese) will build his run starting in June's Superman #41.




......Strike One.....

A single panel shows Batman apparently transformed into a New God and empowered with cosmic awareness. Could this somehow tie into Snyder's Batman storyline and the eventual return of Bruce Wayne?
.......Strike Two.....

Dc using spurious logic to screw creators out of royalties

Who created Caitlin Snow, the alter ego of Firestorm super-villain Killer Frost, who appears regularly on The Flash?

According to DC Entertainment, nobody.

That’s right. Caitlin Snow, the brilliant scientist working for Harrison Wells, fiancée of Ronnie Raymond and friend of Barry Allen, aka The Flash, sprang fully formed into existence without a creator or creators.

.......

According to DC, Sterling Gates and Derlis Santacruz didn’t create Caitlin Snow. Don Newton and I didn’t create Jason Todd. Ric Estrada and I didn’t create Power Girl. Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster didn’t create Superboy. Bob Kanigher and Carmine Infantino didn’t create Barry Allen.

These characters just appeared out of nowhere.

But the money for their exploitation goes directly into DC’s bank account.
....Strike Three.....DC You are out.

I am officially boycotting future DC comics for the foreseeable future. I was originally planning to see what they'd do after convergence but this series of events has put me off doing so. I was about to start watching Arrow and Flash on Netflix's...but have suddenly lost the desire to do so. I am I am undecided on whether or not I will watch the films. I suppose time will tell.
 

TC_Hazard

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I would be totally cool with New God Batman.

I mean, for all intents and purposes DC can't stop the Bat God thing. Might as well embrace it without it being stupid.
 

Nohvarr

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TC_Hazard said:
I would be totally cool with New God Batman.

I mean, for all intents and purposes DC can't stop the Bat God thing. Might as well embrace it without it being stupid.
That is quitter talk, they could stop Bat God if they wanted. They could make Batman a valuable member of the Justice League without turning him into a Gary Stu but they won't. They'd rather give into the vocal portion of the fanbase that insists Batman could beat Super Saiyan Goku, Dark Phoenix, Darkseid, The God Emperor of Mankind, and Thanos using the Infinity Gauntlet with five minutes of planning. My Batman has limits, fights he knows he can't win, but will die trying if it comes down to it. He doesn't have an 'I win because I'm Batman' button and is thus far more interesting and relatable than the...thing some fans turn him into.
 

Fellgrave

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And, reposting from elsewhere:
w.c.reaf said:
In less screwed up news DC is launching a new initiative for young girls this fall, with "action figures, TV Specials, Made-For-Videos, Publishing, Toys, Apparel and Other Products." So it seems like the constant barrage of people saying "girls like superheroes too, so can you make some products for girls to buy" has gotten through to some people at the top. And here's what it'll look like:

Eoraptor said:
sadly, that's the only thing that got through... the message that "gee those disney princesses sell shit real well, what if we did that, but with comics instead of fantasy?"

a highly merchandisable product for which virtually no actual content has to be produced, just like the princesses, a license to print money on parents who only care that it shuts their kids up for five minutes.
Ffordesoon said:
I have one major issue with this initiative, which is the same issue I have with any kid-focused initiative Marvel or DC have tried before: what happens when the kids you're selling to want to read the comics that aren't kid-focused? And they will, because someone will tell them they're not reading/watching the "real" Wonder Woman or the "real" Batgirl. Which is bullshit, and we know it's bullshit, but all a kid wants is to prove they're not a kid anymore to all the adults around them.

So what happens when they read the main books and find that they're full of amputations and cheesecake and rape and all the other "edgy" teenage-boy-targeted crap we take for granted? Are they supposed to go back to the "kiddie" books they now know are "kiddie?" Will they just learn to like the "real" books? No, the most likely scenario is that they'll move away from comics entirely, and I won't blame them if they do.

Because these are characters created to entertain and inspire children who have been hijacked by a certain generation of fans who wish comics could be like they were when they were children themselves, but have proved over and over again that they don't actually want that, because comics are Serious Business and how dare you imply that these characters I grew up with are a bit silly. When they try something new, these "fans" throw a shitfit because change is scary. When they reverse the changes due to "fan" demand, the "fans" mock them for being unable to come up with anything new. It's this endless recursive loop neither Marvel nor DC feel they can afford to break out of.

How the fuck is a kid, especially a girl, supposed to feel comfortable participating in a community like that? More importantly, why the fuck would she want to? I'm as big a believer in the power of comics as anyone alive, I love superhero comics, and I preemptively cringe whenever I look at a comics blog. I do that as a defense mechanism, you see, because I fully expect to have that cringe validated by the time I'm done looking at said blog. And ninety percent of the time, I'm right. And I am an adult who has watched this shit go on for twenty-plus years. I've built up a tolerance. I can't imagine what it would be like for a kid who wants to get into comics these days.

Eoraptor said:
sadly, that's the only thing that got through... the message that "gee those disney princesses sell shit real well, what if we did that, but with comics instead of fantasy?"

a highly merchandisable product for which virtually no actual content has to be produced, just like the princesses, a license to print money on parents who only care that it shuts their kids up for five minutes.
I'm not sure I understand your disdain. What you just described is precisely what Disney and everybody else in the business of entertaining kids does too. Nobody's doing this because it's the right thing to do. Some folks involved might believe it's the right thing to do, but you know as well as I do they wouldn't do it if they didn't believe it might be profitable for the company.

EDIT: Also, the fact that two of the "strong female characters" they chose to highlight in their initial image are, in canon, a sexy temptress whose power is to essentially "pussy-whip" men and a homicidal maniac in an abusive relationship with the defining homicidal maniac of the DCU only underscores how jarring it will be for girls to get into the "real" comics.
Anyone here care to weigh in on this?
 

AJ_Katon

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Didn't DC say awhile ago that they're comics are for middle aged men?

Anyway while I clap for some initiative to get more readers, I fear someone is gonna over do it.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
Nohvarr said:
Dc using spurious logic to screw creators out of royalties

Who created Caitlin Snow, the alter ego of Firestorm super-villain Killer Frost, who appears regularly on The Flash?

According to DC Entertainment, nobody.

That’s right. Caitlin Snow, the brilliant scientist working for Harrison Wells, fiancée of Ronnie Raymond and friend of Barry Allen, aka The Flash, sprang fully formed into existence without a creator or creators.

.......

According to DC, Sterling Gates and Derlis Santacruz didn’t create Caitlin Snow. Don Newton and I didn’t create Jason Todd. Ric Estrada and I didn’t create Power Girl. Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster didn’t create Superboy. Bob Kanigher and Carmine Infantino didn’t create Barry Allen.

These characters just appeared out of nowhere.

But the money for their exploitation goes directly into DC’s bank account.
This? This is bullshit. If your company makes such an agreement, you should damn well keep it. How many times are comic creators going to be screwed out of what their owned?

Even if it's a work for hire, credit should go to the creators of a character. And they should get some damn royalties for tv/movie appearances.

Yet again, DC proves they're determined to fuck everyone who works for them over. It's one thing if you're an established creator, who has other means of income (like Peter David, or Stan Lee), but for up-and-coming creator, who need the work... Again, bullshit.
 

Fellgrave

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That's deplorable.

On another note, first look at the Suicide Squad:



From left to right that's Slipknot, Boomer, Enchantress, Katana, Rick Flagg, Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Killer Croc, & El Diablo. Let's get a closer look at what's supposed to be Harley Quinn.





To quote what I said where I found this:
Fellgrave said:
Well. Katana looks accurate to the comics at least. Harley... her outfit looks like a really big stretch for a cosplayer to claim she was Harley Quinn. Even the Nu52 version.

Sigh. There goes one of the two DC movies I had any interest in.
 

LORD_ARM

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We now know who is the new Batman and it one of the last person I would have guess.

Jim Gordon

I can't wait for the others in the Batman family reaction to this.
 

Ordo

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[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo[/video]
 

AJ_Katon

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Ordo said:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo[/video]
Color me optimistic.
 
Me too. Though oddly Space Battles seems to be on the despise train. Or at least the meh one? I thought it was interesting, and a direction that we didn't really have a superhero show in. Whatever else may be said it'll be nice to have a super show that isn't aimed at the same demographics as the rest of 'em. Diversity ftw!
 
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