Doctor Who
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On the topic of the 13 lives, I've read some rumors that The Doctor is more than a simple timelord, and therefore may be exempt from this rule.
It's hinted on the same site (which I can't find now for some reason) that there's a REASON both he and The Master go by titles rather than proper names.
My guess is that he's really Rasselon. :lol:
It's hinted on the same site (which I can't find now for some reason) that there's a REASON both he and The Master go by titles rather than proper names.
My guess is that he's really Rasselon. :lol:
One question to all Doctor who fans here, so far i see there will not be a series this year, someone knows when the oficial series start normally? I was sure this years would have started already, then looking around i found a website listing all chapters to come ( :huh!: )
long story short there will be one or two more specials this year with Tennant and then next year the series will start with the eleventh doctor,
any way to confirm or deny this?
long story short there will be one or two more specials this year with Tennant and then next year the series will start with the eleventh doctor,
any way to confirm or deny this?
Found the link,
http://www.sylvestermccoy.com/newdoctorwho/
not sure if it is real or fiction, but i dont think it is good to leak so much info years before a series is aired
http://www.sylvestermccoy.com/newdoctorwho/
not sure if it is real or fiction, but i dont think it is good to leak so much info years before a series is aired
Was looking at Tennant on IMDB and this is what I saw...
"Doctor Who" .... The Doctor / ... (48 episodes, 2005-2010)
- Episode dated 1 January 2010 (2010) TV episode .... The Doctor
- Episode dated 25 December 2009 (2009) TV episode .... The Doctor
- The Waters of Mars (2009) TV episode .... The Doctor
- Planet of the Dead (2009) TV episode .... The Doctor
- The Next Doctor (2008) TV episode .... The Doctor
The Waters of Mars is being played on November 19 I think...
"Doctor Who" .... The Doctor / ... (48 episodes, 2005-2010)
- Episode dated 1 January 2010 (2010) TV episode .... The Doctor
- Episode dated 25 December 2009 (2009) TV episode .... The Doctor
- The Waters of Mars (2009) TV episode .... The Doctor
- Planet of the Dead (2009) TV episode .... The Doctor
- The Next Doctor (2008) TV episode .... The Doctor
The Waters of Mars is being played on November 19 I think...
These rumors were more the so called "Cartmel" Masterplan (Andrew Cartmel, script editor during the 7th Doctor) for the 7th Doctor and an attempt to explore the History of the Doctor and bring back a bit of the mystic background of the earlier Doctors.
That plan never was fully developed. The show was canceled before Cartmel could finish these Ideas.
Bits and pieces were used in the Virgin New Adventures Novel Series... including that awful concept of Looms.
So far its unknown how much of that stuff (Novel Spin Offs) is Canon or will be Canon or ever was Canon.
Safe Rule: if the BBC uses it as Reference its Canon.
That plan never was fully developed. The show was canceled before Cartmel could finish these Ideas.
Bits and pieces were used in the Virgin New Adventures Novel Series... including that awful concept of Looms.
So far its unknown how much of that stuff (Novel Spin Offs) is Canon or will be Canon or ever was Canon.
Safe Rule: if the BBC uses it as Reference its Canon.
unclekai said:
These rumors were more the so called "Cartmel" Masterplan (Andrew Cartmel, script editor during the 7th Doctor) for the 7th Doctor and an attempt to explore the History of the Doctor and bring back a bit of the mystic background of the earlier Doctors.
That plan never was fully developed. The show was canceled before Cartmel could finish these Ideas.
Bits and pieces were used in the Virgin New Adventures Novel Series... including that awful concept of Looms.
So far its unknown how much of that stuff (Novel Spin Offs) is Canon or will be Canon or ever was Canon.
Safe Rule: if the BBC uses it as Reference its Canon.
That plan never was fully developed. The show was canceled before Cartmel could finish these Ideas.
Bits and pieces were used in the Virgin New Adventures Novel Series... including that awful concept of Looms.
So far its unknown how much of that stuff (Novel Spin Offs) is Canon or will be Canon or ever was Canon.
Safe Rule: if the BBC uses it as Reference its Canon.
Ramona didn't have a title, nor did Omega and Rassilon, though The Rani did and so did a few others like The Valeyard and The War Chief.
Is it ever stated what it takes to earn the right to call yourself by a title?
I used to watch Dr. Who as a kid, so I'm KINDA familiar with the fourth doctor up, but I don't recall them ever saying for sure why he's The Doctor and not something more pedestrian. Given the fact that some timelords have titles and some do not - and they can choose their own - it stands to reason that it must be earned somehow.
random1377 said:
unclekai said:
These rumors were more the so called "Cartmel" Masterplan (Andrew Cartmel, script editor during the 7th Doctor) for the 7th Doctor and an attempt to explore the History of the Doctor and bring back a bit of the mystic background of the earlier Doctors.
That plan never was fully developed. The show was canceled before Cartmel could finish these Ideas.
Bits and pieces were used in the Virgin New Adventures Novel Series... including that awful concept of Looms.
So far its unknown how much of that stuff (Novel Spin Offs) is Canon or will be Canon or ever was Canon.
Safe Rule: if the BBC uses it as Reference its Canon.
That plan never was fully developed. The show was canceled before Cartmel could finish these Ideas.
Bits and pieces were used in the Virgin New Adventures Novel Series... including that awful concept of Looms.
So far its unknown how much of that stuff (Novel Spin Offs) is Canon or will be Canon or ever was Canon.
Safe Rule: if the BBC uses it as Reference its Canon.
Ramona didn't have a title, nor did Omega and Rassilon, though The Rani did and so did a few others like The Valeyard and The War Chief.
Is it ever stated what it takes to earn the right to call yourself by a title?
I used to watch Dr. Who as a kid, so I'm KINDA familiar with the fourth doctor up, but I don't recall them ever saying for sure why he's The Doctor and not something more pedestrian. Given the fact that some timelords have titles and some do not - and they can choose their own - it stands to reason that it must be earned somehow.
SPOILERS if you haven't seen season 3 yet.
The Doctor did contribute to the time war, and as he says in Dalek, he watched as both sides burned. The Master was brought back by the timelords to be a general in the army, but got scared and fled to the end of the universe to escape it.
None of these events have to do with their titles, however, as the time war is a relatively recent event.
The Doctor did contribute to the time war, and as he says in Dalek, he watched as both sides burned. The Master was brought back by the timelords to be a general in the army, but got scared and fled to the end of the universe to escape it.
None of these events have to do with their titles, however, as the time war is a relatively recent event.
Not earned... most of the lot, including the Doctor were exiled. The Doctor did choose his name when he was kicked out from Gallifrey. So did the Master and the Rani.
Its a good guess that when you get exiled you get stripped from your Name...
Some Episodes with the 4th Doctor did show that the Doctor also seems to use his Name as way to distance himself from his fellow Timelords,
Valeyard IIRC is indeed a Title, sources say that is meant "learned court prosecutor". The Doctor describes himself as "Doctor of everything", which fits his Character. The Master likes to think of himself as "Master of everything"... also fitting.
Romana just did graduate from the Academy when she joined the Doctor.
Best guess; To "earn" a Title you have so fuck up things royally so that it sticks as new Name.
Its a good guess that when you get exiled you get stripped from your Name...
Some Episodes with the 4th Doctor did show that the Doctor also seems to use his Name as way to distance himself from his fellow Timelords,
Valeyard IIRC is indeed a Title, sources say that is meant "learned court prosecutor". The Doctor describes himself as "Doctor of everything", which fits his Character. The Master likes to think of himself as "Master of everything"... also fitting.
Romana just did graduate from the Academy when she joined the Doctor.
Best guess; To "earn" a Title you have so fuck up things royally so that it sticks as new Name.
unclekai said:
Not earned... most of the lot, including the Doctor were exiled. The Doctor did choose his name when he was kicked out from Gallifrey. So did the Master and the Rani.
Its a good guess that when you get exiled you get stripped from your Name...
Some Episodes with the 4th Doctor did show that the Doctor also seems to use his Name as way to distance himself from his fellow Timelords,
Valeyard IIRC is indeed a Title, sources say that is meant "learned court prosecutor". The Doctor describes himself as "Doctor of everything", which fits his Character. The Master likes to think of himself as "Master of everything"... also fitting.
Romana just did graduate from the Academy when she joined the Doctor.
Best guess; To "earn" a Title you have so fuck up things royally so that it sticks as new Name.
Its a good guess that when you get exiled you get stripped from your Name...
Some Episodes with the 4th Doctor did show that the Doctor also seems to use his Name as way to distance himself from his fellow Timelords,
Valeyard IIRC is indeed a Title, sources say that is meant "learned court prosecutor". The Doctor describes himself as "Doctor of everything", which fits his Character. The Master likes to think of himself as "Master of everything"... also fitting.
Romana just did graduate from the Academy when she joined the Doctor.
Best guess; To "earn" a Title you have so fuck up things royally so that it sticks as new Name.
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Azrael said:
t: Anyone got an driving tips? Going for the first time in a couple hours... t:
For a car - the peddle is more sensitive than you think. don't hammer it.
For golf - remember to follow through on your drive and don't check your swing.
back on topic, the doctor said (once again, season 3 of the new series) that he ran after looking into the vortex... but I suppose he might be looking at it as running away while they might be looking at it as exiling.
It makes sense that if you're stripped of your name you would have to find something else to call yourself (Doctor, Master, etc), but just because YOU call yourself that doesn't necessarily mean that people will acknowledge that fact, and the timelords universally called him The Doctor rather than something like the exile.
Maybe I'm just a romantic, but I like the idea of him being given the choice of names by the timelords after proving himself worthy of it. :huh.:
My understanding was that it was a self-policing thing to keep them from getting power hungry and dominating all of time-space.
And SPOILER FOLLOWING the Master showed in season 3 of the new series that you can choose NOT to regenerate, so if it was an anti-boredom measure, they could always just choose to dodge it.
And SPOILER FOLLOWING the Master showed in season 3 of the new series that you can choose NOT to regenerate, so if it was an anti-boredom measure, they could always just choose to dodge it.
The problem with it is the Master during the Tom Baker era. He was horribly disfigured, and if he 'could' regenerate, he most likely 'would' have. Also, the Five Doctors episode indicates that the 12 regenerations is an actual innate limitation. One that the Council has the technology to overcome, but still an innate limitation.
There was another episode that backs this up, during the Sixth Doctor's era. I believe it was the intro episode for Turlough, the last episode that Brigadier Stewart was shown in I believe. In that episode, the Doctor was going to sacrifice seven of his regenerations, commenting that it would be 'all' of his remaining regenerations.
The best way around it, is either to have the Doctor get into a situation where his ability to regenerate is 'recharged' if you will, or discover that one of his many adventures recharged him. That, or the Tardis was somehow equipped with the tech to allow him to do so.
There was another episode that backs this up, during the Sixth Doctor's era. I believe it was the intro episode for Turlough, the last episode that Brigadier Stewart was shown in I believe. In that episode, the Doctor was going to sacrifice seven of his regenerations, commenting that it would be 'all' of his remaining regenerations.
The best way around it, is either to have the Doctor get into a situation where his ability to regenerate is 'recharged' if you will, or discover that one of his many adventures recharged him. That, or the Tardis was somehow equipped with the tech to allow him to do so.
Add to all this the fact that the Master has shown the ability to 'jump' into other bodies in ADDITION to his regenerations and you have a whole sticky mess to untangle.
Damn it, BBC! Why must you taunt us so?? :lol:
I got the impression that when the Master was revived he was given a new lease on life (lives?) circumventing the limitation. But I can't cite any sources on that...
Damn it, BBC! Why must you taunt us so?? :lol:
I got the impression that when the Master was revived he was given a new lease on life (lives?) circumventing the limitation. But I can't cite any sources on that...
I actually know and like far more the old Dr.Who more than the new series... Started watching way back in 1983 on the local PBS station in the U.S.
My understanding was any Time Lord that went their own way from Galifrey, whether they be classed as Criminal, or merely a meddler, had to have their names stripped from themselves.
Thus... even The Doctor, nor any of his enemies, knows of him as anything other than either his title, or by what he has done to them in the name of justice.
The Master is in the same position, stripped of his name.
It should be noted, at one point, the High Governing Council on Galifrey did in fact decide to stop the meedling of The Doctor and put him on trial for his actions.
EDIT: As for the life span limitations... I had always been made to understand from the older episodes that while there were ways around it (The Master having taken several to keep himself going), that it was not a normally avoidable limit.
My understanding was any Time Lord that went their own way from Galifrey, whether they be classed as Criminal, or merely a meddler, had to have their names stripped from themselves.
Thus... even The Doctor, nor any of his enemies, knows of him as anything other than either his title, or by what he has done to them in the name of justice.
The Master is in the same position, stripped of his name.
It should be noted, at one point, the High Governing Council on Galifrey did in fact decide to stop the meedling of The Doctor and put him on trial for his actions.
EDIT: As for the life span limitations... I had always been made to understand from the older episodes that while there were ways around it (The Master having taken several to keep himself going), that it was not a normally avoidable limit.