Dragon Age Inquisition
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Successful or not it's completely unnecessary. Any funding for multiplayer could be better spent on furthering the development of the main game. ME3's multiplayer was completely unnecessary too, given the huge, HUGE single player focus the previous two games had (Just like DA has!). It's just more MP pandering, because it seems every game and its mother needs MP now. Bah.
Well, strictly speaking, romances are not necessary and the money spent developing them could go to other places in the main game. However, enough fans enjoy that aspect of the game to make it worth the time and resources to provide them with a satisfying experience. The same holds true for MP. Just because you or I may never touch it, doesn't mean no one else will, and those fans will (hopefully) have an experience that is enriched by it's addition.
If nothing else the revelation of MP has given BSN something to talk about other than who will look better on the Inquisitors arm, so I have to thank Bioware for that.
If nothing else the revelation of MP has given BSN something to talk about other than who will look better on the Inquisitors arm, so I have to thank Bioware for that.
It's a Bioware RPG, almost all of them have romance entwined with the story. Enjoy them or not they are expected and at time enhance the story, mp does nothing of the sort, it's just pandering to the masses who grew up on COD. I played KOTOR numerous times, I enjoyed the story and the way Revan and Bastilla's romance entwined with the story, I loved the romance between Shepard and Tali, enjoyed the story even though the ME3 ending was disappointing, I couldn't give a flying f$&k about the mp.
My point still stands, since there are people who do no give a flying f$&k about romances. In fact I've seen people call for their exclusion from the games. Truth be told, they were not necessary or 'expected' when Bioware first started doing them. Over time though people began to enjoy them and wanted more. The same thing is happening again. People enjoyed ME 3's multiplayer, to a level that surprised the devs, so they know there's an audience for that type of thing.
Something to note, Baldur's gate 2 did have Co-op MP, I played it so this is not the first time a Bioware game has had MP. I also think the original plans for Dragon age called for some form of multiplayer/co-op component but were dropped during development. That, however, was from way back. In fact looking back at it Neverwinter Nights was fairly heavily MP focused....or community focused. I mean the main campaigns were not that impressive but the toolset allowed people to DM games and craft world's for their friends. Yeah, Neverwinter nights was a toolbox given to people and it worked out fairly well despite the rather weak main campaigns
Now the following is just in general....but I am tired of some RPG gamers claiming MP is only added to please the COD crowd. RPG gamers play MP as well, as evidenced by the success of games like Diablo, and World of Warcraft. Heck even CDProjekt red (held up as paragons of Single player RPG's after The Witcher 2) are producing a DOTA style Multiplayer game called Witcher Battle Arena. So let's not pretend that game devs are adding MP only to please the COD crowd.
Something to note, Baldur's gate 2 did have Co-op MP, I played it so this is not the first time a Bioware game has had MP. I also think the original plans for Dragon age called for some form of multiplayer/co-op component but were dropped during development. That, however, was from way back. In fact looking back at it Neverwinter Nights was fairly heavily MP focused....or community focused. I mean the main campaigns were not that impressive but the toolset allowed people to DM games and craft world's for their friends. Yeah, Neverwinter nights was a toolbox given to people and it worked out fairly well despite the rather weak main campaigns
Now the following is just in general....but I am tired of some RPG gamers claiming MP is only added to please the COD crowd. RPG gamers play MP as well, as evidenced by the success of games like Diablo, and World of Warcraft. Heck even CDProjekt red (held up as paragons of Single player RPG's after The Witcher 2) are producing a DOTA style Multiplayer game called Witcher Battle Arena. So let's not pretend that game devs are adding MP only to please the COD crowd.
I'm gonna have to call strawman on your simile, Ordo. Romance has been part of Bioware RPGs since the very beginning, and has had some role in just about every RPG they have ever made. I think it's pretty safe to say that romance is a core part of the Bioware RPG experience. The same can not be said for multiplayer. Hell, even swotor is considered a better singleplayer game than multiplayer by a lot of people.
Point being, pandering to the mainstream community with multiplayer is not the same as pandering to... their own identity as a company and the fans who rely on that identity to find games they would like to play.
That said, I am not arguing against multiplayer in DA:I, nor am I saying that the community will dislike it (there's a reason it is mainstream, after all.) In fact, I don't care about it at all. I'm just pointing out that the "some people don't like romance" argument doesn't work.
Point being, pandering to the mainstream community with multiplayer is not the same as pandering to... their own identity as a company and the fans who rely on that identity to find games they would like to play.
That said, I am not arguing against multiplayer in DA:I, nor am I saying that the community will dislike it (there's a reason it is mainstream, after all.) In fact, I don't care about it at all. I'm just pointing out that the "some people don't like romance" argument doesn't work.
Actually no it hasn't. Their first game "Baldur's Gate" did not have any romance in it.
It is now, but it didn't start that way. They added Romances in BG 2 and it was successful enough for them to continue adding them to each new game. Voiced protagonist were also not something Bioware did until Mass Effect but it is now a core part of the experience like Romances.
Romances, and Voiced Protagonists were not "necessary" to the games experience when first introduced, heck DAO got along well without a voiced Protagonist, but have become a part of the company's identity. So I think my argument stands, since Multiplayer is just something new they added, that has worked well enough once to be included again
Multiplayer is an element of Bioware's identity. I pointed this out when I talked about Neverwinter Nights which was all about playing and sharing with friends. In fact the most recent game they announced at Gamescom Shadow Realms is all about the MP experience.
I also recall, though I will admit it was years ago, that Dragon Age Origins was supposed to have an online element that was dropped in development due to the difficulty of implementing it. In fact the only reason I recall it was originally supposed to be in the game (WAY back when) is because someone complained on BSN about it's absence when they bought four copies of DAO to play with their friends and found it was not there.
Now I honestly don't care if people like or hate the addition of Multiplayer, I may dabble in it but it's not a selling point for me. I just get annoyed when I see people claiming MP is added just to please the COD crowd, when those same people can be seen talking about how great RPGs like Diablo 3, Torch Light, etc are (that have a significant online presence) elsewhere. I mean if I'm making games and I see people playing MMO's, DOTA-games, and things like Torchlight it might occur to me that adding MP (if possible) could extend the enjoyment of my fans with the product I am providing.
It is now, but it didn't start that way. They added Romances in BG 2 and it was successful enough for them to continue adding them to each new game. Voiced protagonist were also not something Bioware did until Mass Effect but it is now a core part of the experience like Romances.
Romances, and Voiced Protagonists were not "necessary" to the games experience when first introduced, heck DAO got along well without a voiced Protagonist, but have become a part of the company's identity. So I think my argument stands, since Multiplayer is just something new they added, that has worked well enough once to be included again
Multiplayer is an element of Bioware's identity. I pointed this out when I talked about Neverwinter Nights which was all about playing and sharing with friends. In fact the most recent game they announced at Gamescom Shadow Realms is all about the MP experience.
I also recall, though I will admit it was years ago, that Dragon Age Origins was supposed to have an online element that was dropped in development due to the difficulty of implementing it. In fact the only reason I recall it was originally supposed to be in the game (WAY back when) is because someone complained on BSN about it's absence when they bought four copies of DAO to play with their friends and found it was not there.
Now I honestly don't care if people like or hate the addition of Multiplayer, I may dabble in it but it's not a selling point for me. I just get annoyed when I see people claiming MP is added just to please the COD crowd, when those same people can be seen talking about how great RPGs like Diablo 3, Torch Light, etc are (that have a significant online presence) elsewhere. I mean if I'm making games and I see people playing MMO's, DOTA-games, and things like Torchlight it might occur to me that adding MP (if possible) could extend the enjoyment of my fans with the product I am providing.
Anyways, since this thread is more about presenting information than anything else I will provide a trailer showing the games MP aspect along with more information so you can judge for yourself.
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z07_8E7KP1g[/video]
Co-op is all about Loot
It's not the right time for a Dragon Age Co-op Campaign
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z07_8E7KP1g[/video]
Co-op is all about Loot
It's not the right time for a Dragon Age Co-op Campaign
The following is from BSN
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Hrungr, on 30 Aug 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:
Mark Darrah â€@BioMarkDarrah
Here's a first look at our PC Tactical UI. More will come soon:
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
PC question 1: 8 Ability slots?
A: Yes, per character. Changeable between combat.
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
PC Question 2: What is that TAB thing?
A2: Highlight stuff in the world.
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
PC Question 3: Why 8?
A: 32 abilities (along with passives/upgrades) across the party provides a broad spectrum of tactical options.
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
Ability count clarity: DAI is about roles, planning ahead and making tactical decisions. Potions, ability choice, gear, party composition.
Mark Darrah â€@BioMarkDarrah
Here's a first look at our PC Tactical UI. More will come soon:
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
PC question 1: 8 Ability slots?
A: Yes, per character. Changeable between combat.
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
PC Question 2: What is that TAB thing?
A2: Highlight stuff in the world.
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
PC Question 3: Why 8?
A: 32 abilities (along with passives/upgrades) across the party provides a broad spectrum of tactical options.
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
Ability count clarity: DAI is about roles, planning ahead and making tactical decisions. Potions, ability choice, gear, party composition.
All current information about Dragon Age Mulitplayer (DAMP)
Some interesting Lore notes:
It's been too long since I played DAO (and no I am not going back through it to ready a save for DAI, that is what the Keep is for) So I don't recall any details about Haven.
Huh...an elven Keeper that was willing to share knowledge....that is surprising.
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QizEiWgZLsc[/video]
Some interesting Lore notes:
It's been too long since I played DAO (and no I am not going back through it to ready a save for DAI, that is what the Keep is for) So I don't recall any details about Haven.
Huh...an elven Keeper that was willing to share knowledge....that is surprising.
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QizEiWgZLsc[/video]
More on CC
edit:
I do not believe this....I have seen people on BSN COMPLAIN that Bioware spent too much time on things they didn't want (like lip shine, Adam's apple, broken nose, and outer iris color, etc) and not enough on giving them more options for the female Qunari hairstyles......
I know BSN tends to focus on the negative (still can't believe someone called the entire ME 2 dev teams "floozies") but THIS?!
edit:
I do not believe this....I have seen people on BSN COMPLAIN that Bioware spent too much time on things they didn't want (like lip shine, Adam's apple, broken nose, and outer iris color, etc) and not enough on giving them more options for the female Qunari hairstyles......
I know BSN tends to focus on the negative (still can't believe someone called the entire ME 2 dev teams "floozies") but THIS?!