Dresden Files

zerohour

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So what do you guys think about the parasite that is supposed to kill Harry in the near future if nothing is done? before this book a lot of fans seemed to think it could be Lash rebuilding herself inside of him, do you think that is still possible or did he subtly pick something up sometime in the last few books that could be the source?
 

nick012000

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zerohour said:
So what do you guys think about the parasite that is supposed to kill Harry in the near future if nothing is done? before this book a lot of fans seemed to think it could be Lash rebuilding herself inside of him, do you think that is still possible or did he subtly pick something up sometime in the last few books that could be the source?
Personally, when I was reading the book, I assumed it was one of Demonreach's less malevolent prisoners that it implanted into him to save his life when he was in that coma.
 

bmsattler

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Yeah. I actually kinda miss Lashael, as her apparent redemption, even if its just her shadow, was one of the most epic moments in the series for me. But I don't think that a Denarian is something that Molly could have been expected to help with.
 

TC_Hazard

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zerohour said:
So what do you guys think about the parasite that is supposed to kill Harry in the near future if nothing is done? before this book a lot of fans seemed to think it could be Lash rebuilding herself inside of him, do you think that is still possible or did he subtly pick something up sometime in the last few books that could be the source?
Personally, I think this may be one of those things you can't take at face value. Demonreach said it was going to burst out of his skull using words, IIRC, and the guy has said more than once that words suck. Now I may be misremembering but if I am not it is possible that what was said is not what was meant in this case.
 

shiki

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zerohour said:
So what do you guys think about the parasite that is supposed to kill Harry in the near future if nothing is done?á before this book a lot of fans seemed to think it could be Lash rebuilding herself inside of him, do you think that is still possible or did he subtly pick something up sometime in the last few books that could be the source?
Nope, I still think it is Lasciel's shadow.

It might not be the Lash that we knew, but I am a firm believer that Lasciel is involved is some way. Book 15 is a Denarian book after all that involves a heist.

Breaking out Lash (and some of the more powerful Fallen)'s coin(s)? With Nicodemus at his side? We already know that some of the Denarians are on the Black Council and Nicodemus stated that Dresden was on the few that he trusted not to be infected by the Enemy...

Dresden's Eleven in Rome?
 

Watashiwa

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Just finished Cold Days. Am SO VERY GLAD that I did not spoil myself for anything but the ultimate resolution. Knowing Molly was going to end up the Winter Lady meant little compared to most of the other revelation bombs that went off.

Final thoughts:

1. Odin is Santa Claus. HFS :rofl:

2. Molly seems to be moving into position to be Harry's permanent partner going forward. I... approve.

3. Mab is a romantic. Fucking what.

4. Lea not showing up at all in this book is a fucking crime.

5. Does this mean that Mab's kidnapping of Molly had ulterior motives behind it?

Bonus: Goddamn I hated Ghost Story. Should have been so much better than it was.
 

evilplushie

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Eh, the 'romance' between Murphy and Dresden has been brewing for like 14 years/books. I think Butcher will keep milking that for as long as he can, even when it's obvious he's flogging a very very dead horse and most people just want it put out of its misery already.
 

seitora

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So I finally opened the box set of books 4-6 that I had laying around since last year (Summer Knight, Death Masks, Blood Rite). Book 6 was a pretty big wham episode at parts, but I notice around Books 5 and 6 it feels like it's moving away from loosely connected individual cases into a more overarching series plot proper.

Aurora I think might have been a far more interesting character if she had been fleshed out a bit more and not given just a couple of short appearances prior to the denouement of Summer Knight when she's outed as a well-intentioned extremist.

Also interesting to note the head baddies of Books 5 and 6 aren't killed. Nicodemus gets away though he does permanently lose one coin and Harry buries another (though it seems ineffective given the end of Book 6) while the Raith head is merely taken advantage of.

Does the whole Red Court subplot wrap up soon or is it drawn out for some time? Book 4 seems to take place 'a few years' before the end of Book 6 and yet there seems to be so little occurring aside from a couple of big incidents.
 

seitora

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6 books away...eh.
 

shiki

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seitora said:
So I finally opened the box set of books 4-6 that I had laying around since last year (Summer Knight, Death Masks, Blood Rite). Book 6 was a pretty big wham episode at parts, but I notice around Books 5 and 6 it feels like it's moving away from loosely connected individual cases into a more overarching series plot proper.

Aurora I think might have been a far more interesting character if she had been fleshed out a bit more and not given just a couple of short appearances prior to the denouement of Summer Knight when she's outed as a well-intentioned extremist.

Also interesting to note the head baddies of Books 5 and 6 aren't killed. Nicodemus gets away though he does permanently lose one coin and Harry buries another (though it seems ineffective given the end of Book 6) while the Raith head is merely taken advantage of.

Does the whole Red Court subplot wrap up soon or is it drawn out for some time? Book 4 seems to take place 'a few years' before the end of Book 6 and yet there seems to be so little occurring aside from a couple of big incidents.
You might want to re-read the old books as you go on. It was never loosely connected cases. Everything, even tiny one line mentions, relate to something of importance.

Every time a new book comes out, scenes from previous books gain much more significance than before.

I am not talking about the stuff that is highlighted and expanded on deliberately, there is lots of stuff from early books that are sneaky. You gain a new appreciation of the older books even the "weaker" ones of the series.

For example, Proven Guilty and Grave Peril suddenly are more than quirky "breather" books before the big stuff hits.

Fool Moon was an early example. Remember scene when Harry sees Murphy with the Sight? Yeah, that comes up years and years later, it was a hint of things to come.

Blood Rites too, despite the obvious Reveal, the soulgaze is very important for reasons that haven't been revealed yet. EVERY Soulgaze has hinted at things to come, every single one of them.

Turn Coat is much more significant (not that it wasn't before) because of the glances we get at the Senior Council. If I was a betting man I would say that some of those characterizations and small events mean more that it appears to despite being insignificant up to now.

There are lots more little stuff too. Like a small mention in the first book has finally payed off... 13 books later. Lots more of this kind of stuff. Loads.

The payoff for some of the stuff embedded in early books hasn't payed off yet either. I am still waiting for the Black Court to reappear because of Dead Beat. Not to mention the Nicodemus to come back explaining the fractured loyalties of the Denarians (have high hopes for this to be expanded on in the next book). Honestly, I am thinking BOTH these things will come to fore in the next book based on the 3-book Vampire trend and 5 Book Denarian/Knight/Archive trend. Not to mention some of the other stuff that I previously brought up in older posts.
 

Ordo

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Python453

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The next novel is called Skin Game. In it, we find out that Mab has various debts which she has incurred over the years and Mab is very keen on getting her debts paid, and when one of the people she owes shows up and asks for a favour, she loans him Harry Dresden in order to help him. So Harry is going to find himself, by command of Queen Mab, assisting Nicodemus Archleone in a heist. They’re going on a bank job, and they’re going to knock over the vault of Hades — the Lord of the Underworld.
Harry is going to be very far out of his element because he’s going to be working with this crew of nasties that Nicodemus has recruited and having to survive that situation, and it’s going to make him look so good to the White Council and everyone else that he’s running around with this crew.
DAMN. This is... definitely going to be interesting.
 

pidl

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Python453 said:
The next novel is called Skin Game. In it, we find out that Mab has various debts which she has incurred over the years and Mab is very keen on getting her debts paid, and when one of the people she owes shows up and asks for a favour, she loans him Harry Dresden in order to help him. So Harry is going to find himself, by command of Queen Mab, assisting Nicodemus Archleone in a heist. They’re going on a bank job, and they’re going to knock over the vault of Hades — the Lord of the Underworld.
Harry is going to be very far out of his element because he’s going to be working with this crew of nasties that Nicodemus has recruited and having to survive that situation, and it’s going to make him look so good to the White Council and everyone else that he’s running around with this crew.
DAMN. This is... definitely going to be interesting.
This is rather old news...
 

shiki

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Yeah, I knew all shortly after Cold Days came out. Not really new news.

I even jokingly called it as Dresden's Eleven.
 

zerohour

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Well, it's news to me. I'm looking forward to Dresden and Nicodemus working together instead of trying to kill each other. Harry might have an actual threat to him with the Prison, and Nicky might be a decent source of information about the Outsiders.

Besides, money? Gold? WMDs? Child's play for Nicky. What could be so big that he goes to recruit the Queen of the Inter Court for help?
 

pidl

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zerohour said:
Well, it's news to me. I'm looking forward to Dresden and Nicodemus working together instead of trying to kill each other. Harry might have an actual threat to him with the Prison, and Nicky might be a decent source of information about the Outsiders.

Besides, money? Gold? WMDs? Child's play for Nicky. What could be so big that he goes to recruit the Queen of the Inter Court for help?
Iirc according to an interview it's not so much working together as waiting for the perfect moment to screw the other over.
 

pidl

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For those interested: Skin Game will be out on May 27th. Still so far away.:(
 

crazyfoxdemon

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pidl said:
For those interested: Skin Game will be out on May 27th. Still so far away.:(
That's perfectly fine by me... I recently discovered the 40k novels so it's going to take me until them to work my way through all of them.
 
...that name is so incredibly ominous. I know that it's supposed to be a Harry and the Nickleheads reunion tour, but damn if the title doesn't scream Skin-Walker.
 

ttestagr

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Emerald Oracle said:
...that name is so incredibly ominous. I know that it's supposed to be a Harry and the Nickleheads reunion tour, but damn if the title doesn't scream Skin-Walker.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skin%20game

The dictionary is your friend:

skin game
noun
Definition of SKIN GAME
: a swindling game or trick

It really had no connection to skinwalkers. Who are pretty low priority at this moment in time, with one already defeated and 6 more in Harry's entranceway.
 

pidl

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ttestagr said:
Emerald Oracle said:
...that name is so incredibly ominous. I know that it's supposed to be a Harry and the Nickleheads reunion tour, but damn if the title doesn't scream Skin-Walker.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skin%20game

The dictionary is your friend:

skin game
noun
Definition of SKIN GAME
: a swindling game or trick

It really had no connection to skinwalkers. Who are pretty low priority at this moment in time, with one already defeated and 6 more in Harry's entranceway.
I wouldn't call Shagnasty 'defeated', he's still around, probably waiting on a chance for revenge.
 
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