Durandall's works
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The issue isn't the relevance, the issue is that Durandall has a consistent history of getting Koizumi out of fics, even when logically he should show up. Speaking of which...
I'd say this latest one is one of the weaker works (if not weakest). The idea of Haruhi starting things with clear affection for Kyon and some knowledge of what's to come is interesting enough, but the way it was made just screams an effort to not write about Koizumi or Mikuru (for no reason other than Durandall's dislike) and a desire to see Not-Nagato/Kyon/pseudo-Haruhi. Additionally Kyon is less of a character and more an object that Haruhi can obsess over. It really could have been better.
I'd say this latest one is one of the weaker works (if not weakest). The idea of Haruhi starting things with clear affection for Kyon and some knowledge of what's to come is interesting enough, but the way it was made just screams an effort to not write about Koizumi or Mikuru (for no reason other than Durandall's dislike) and a desire to see Not-Nagato/Kyon/pseudo-Haruhi. Additionally Kyon is less of a character and more an object that Haruhi can obsess over. It really could have been better.
I was under the impression that it was a crackfic and thus not meant to be taken seriously. I mean really, Xavier?
By that logic, any ending that pairs him up with Haruhi would be a downer for some people.
In this case though, I think it was about as well-written a break up (or a rejection) as possible. Certainly, I haven't read any other story that tackles the subject with equal competence. At least it wasn't an angst-fest.
By that logic, any ending that pairs him up with Haruhi would be a downer for some people.
In this case though, I think it was about as well-written a break up (or a rejection) as possible. Certainly, I haven't read any other story that tackles the subject with equal competence. At least it wasn't an angst-fest.
Eh?
Picking Your Battles isn't about rejection.
It's about Kyon not wanting a derp-worthy High School Romance with Haruhi when she can barely admit that she likes him. He wants her to grow up a bit and for them to have a non-tsundere friendship. Yuki's last scene implied that he really wants Haruhi to try again when she can discuss what she wants like an adult.
That said, New Game Plus really doesn't do much for me. Nagato is weird as fuck, Mikuru is pathetic, Koizumi has that single stupid redirect again and again and Kyon is too lost to get in any good lines. Haruhi has completely lost any semblance of brain-to-mouth filter.
I miss the tight ensemble cast. I also miss Tsuru-nyan. K:BDH made her fit in so seamlessly that it feels weird for her not to be there.
Picking Your Battles isn't about rejection.
It's about Kyon not wanting a derp-worthy High School Romance with Haruhi when she can barely admit that she likes him. He wants her to grow up a bit and for them to have a non-tsundere friendship. Yuki's last scene implied that he really wants Haruhi to try again when she can discuss what she wants like an adult.
That said, New Game Plus really doesn't do much for me. Nagato is weird as fuck, Mikuru is pathetic, Koizumi has that single stupid redirect again and again and Kyon is too lost to get in any good lines. Haruhi has completely lost any semblance of brain-to-mouth filter.
I miss the tight ensemble cast. I also miss Tsuru-nyan. K:BDH made her fit in so seamlessly that it feels weird for her not to be there.
I'll admit that I'm a Kyon/Haruhi supporter, but this really was a downer.
I can quite happily read fics where Kyon rejects Haruhi and goes out with someone else and not see them as downers... probably becuase by the end of them, at least one of the two is happy.
Haruhi maybe upset, but Kyon's happy, so its not a downer. Not really. And usually Haruhi gets over him eventually.
In Picking Your Battles, its more like nobody wins. Haruhi loves Kyon. She admits as much. Kyon likes Haruhi, mostly as a close friend but maybe as something more. Again, he pretty much admits as much.
Kyon seems to believe that more than his love, she needs his friendship. This is stated like the two are mutually exclusive <_<
Then Kyon starts talking about how he isn't ready for romance until collage... and unless I'm mistaken, Haruhi immediately jumps on that as "Let's wait until we go to collage."
So there's Haruhi, stuck in the friend zone but holding hopes for more in a couple of years. There's Kyon, leading her on because he's not ready. And then there is Yuki, who is also playing the waiting game and planning to make the moves on Kyon. No one is happy, and the only one even close to content is Kyon.
And when no one is happy, merely stagnent and biding thier time until they mature? Yeah, that's a bit of a downer to me. Its not going to make me bawl like a little girl, but I'm not going to come out of reading that with a smile on my face either.
I can quite happily read fics where Kyon rejects Haruhi and goes out with someone else and not see them as downers... probably becuase by the end of them, at least one of the two is happy.
Haruhi maybe upset, but Kyon's happy, so its not a downer. Not really. And usually Haruhi gets over him eventually.
In Picking Your Battles, its more like nobody wins. Haruhi loves Kyon. She admits as much. Kyon likes Haruhi, mostly as a close friend but maybe as something more. Again, he pretty much admits as much.
Kyon seems to believe that more than his love, she needs his friendship. This is stated like the two are mutually exclusive <_<
Then Kyon starts talking about how he isn't ready for romance until collage... and unless I'm mistaken, Haruhi immediately jumps on that as "Let's wait until we go to collage."
So there's Haruhi, stuck in the friend zone but holding hopes for more in a couple of years. There's Kyon, leading her on because he's not ready. And then there is Yuki, who is also playing the waiting game and planning to make the moves on Kyon. No one is happy, and the only one even close to content is Kyon.
And when no one is happy, merely stagnent and biding thier time until they mature? Yeah, that's a bit of a downer to me. Its not going to make me bawl like a little girl, but I'm not going to come out of reading that with a smile on my face either.
For me 'Picking your battles' was more of a prologue than a complete fic, that let's the characters grow above their emotional plateu.
Kyon wants Haruhi(and Yuki) but knows that if he accedes now it would be the same story over and over, with gradual changes and reinforcing Haruhi's i can do anything i like.
Haruhi gets to feel the very human experience of rejection and can grow from it, find love somewhere else or wait till Kyon admits that he loves her too (she wouldn't wait much).
TL;DR i agree with trev.
and on 'New Game plus' i believe that Yuki is behaving like that ( on behalf of Haruhi) to evade Kyon from falling for Mikiru's moeness, and then her blocking Mikuru is more jealousy and a little resentment.
and i suspect that she resents Koizumi because of his organization, but then again Durandall may dislike him.
Kyon wants Haruhi(and Yuki) but knows that if he accedes now it would be the same story over and over, with gradual changes and reinforcing Haruhi's i can do anything i like.
Haruhi gets to feel the very human experience of rejection and can grow from it, find love somewhere else or wait till Kyon admits that he loves her too (she wouldn't wait much).
TL;DR i agree with trev.
and on 'New Game plus' i believe that Yuki is behaving like that ( on behalf of Haruhi) to evade Kyon from falling for Mikiru's moeness, and then her blocking Mikuru is more jealousy and a little resentment.
and i suspect that she resents Koizumi because of his organization, but then again Durandall may dislike him.
Hmm... Did no one notice? or were you like me and assumed someone else would give heads-up?
K:BDH Chapter 45: Information Control was posted on August 2. Fanfiction.net Link
He's also got a three part one he started posting on the 6th. And updated on the 8th.
Edit: Reading it, Downfall currently strikes me as a prequel to New Game Plus.
Edit 2: Then again, considering how Revelations ended I doubt Haruhi would just alter his transfer papers and send him to an all girls school (among others) if this was a prequel to New Game Plus.
K:BDH Chapter 45: Information Control was posted on August 2. Fanfiction.net Link
He's also got a three part one he started posting on the 6th. And updated on the 8th.
Edit: Reading it, Downfall currently strikes me as a prequel to New Game Plus.
Edit 2: Then again, considering how Revelations ended I doubt Haruhi would just alter his transfer papers and send him to an all girls school (among others) if this was a prequel to New Game Plus.
This always annoys me. Some faggots did it on TFF too, quit and made their own forum.e.
Grow the fuck up.
You can decide to not post your fics where ever you want, but when you give the reason 'XXX people don't like me' or 'I don't like XXX' it makes you come across as incredibly shallow to me. Whenever this happens, just on principle I stop reading the works.
Its sad since Durandall was a good writer, but fuck that. Im not going to hunt down his private fanfiction community. (he said something stupid like 'if it was meant to be, you'll find us'.
Yeah. No.
Grow the fuck up.
You can decide to not post your fics where ever you want, but when you give the reason 'XXX people don't like me' or 'I don't like XXX' it makes you come across as incredibly shallow to me. Whenever this happens, just on principle I stop reading the works.
Its sad since Durandall was a good writer, but fuck that. Im not going to hunt down his private fanfiction community. (he said something stupid like 'if it was meant to be, you'll find us'.
Yeah. No.
Ehhhhh....
Specifically, he said:
"On the offhand chance you'd like to join my fanfiction community (which is much smaller and more harshly critical), drop by the Soulriders some time, or sign up to the FFML.
If it was meant to be ... you'll find us.
"
<a href='http://www.google.com/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Copy + paste</a> -> <a href='http://www.soulriders.org/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>First result</a>.
For someone mocking Durandall for his melodrama, you're kinda mucking up some yourself with stuff like that, you know.
He's not actually stopping with that story, he's just not posting on FF.net anymore. Unless all this business deeply wounded your respect for Durandall to the point where you simply cannot read any more of his work, you should be fine.
For myself, about the only thing that annoys me about this thing is that I'm not going to get alerts when he updates. But honestly, that's fairly minor to me since I only recently started using them.
Specifically, he said:
"On the offhand chance you'd like to join my fanfiction community (which is much smaller and more harshly critical), drop by the Soulriders some time, or sign up to the FFML.
If it was meant to be ... you'll find us.
"<a href='http://www.google.com/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Copy + paste</a> -> <a href='http://www.soulriders.org/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>First result</a>.
For someone mocking Durandall for his melodrama, you're kinda mucking up some yourself with stuff like that, you know.
He's not actually stopping with that story, he's just not posting on FF.net anymore. Unless all this business deeply wounded your respect for Durandall to the point where you simply cannot read any more of his work, you should be fine.
For myself, about the only thing that annoys me about this thing is that I'm not going to get alerts when he updates. But honestly, that's fairly minor to me since I only recently started using them.
Ah, that's my bad. I assumed he'd gone on to becoming a hermit on a board that wasn't advertised, nor open for public viewing (heck, once upon a time TFF was difficult to locate too).
I suppose the lack of automatic updates will be inconvenient (though FF.net hasn't always been all that reliable either), and whilst he doesn't rate as a tier-1 author I'd be a roadie for, he's still a helluva worth-while author I'd still drop in on every once in a while for <s>an occasional stalk</s> a look-see.
I suppose the lack of automatic updates will be inconvenient (though FF.net hasn't always been all that reliable either), and whilst he doesn't rate as a tier-1 author I'd be a roadie for, he's still a helluva worth-while author I'd still drop in on every once in a while for <s>an occasional stalk</s> a look-see.
If he feels like he's not getting good enough criticism, wouldn't the easiest thing to do be, of the 1% that make good points, solicit them for more?
But no matter what, the thing I don't understand is, if you're already posting the chapter somewhere else, then also posting on ff.net only takes a few more minutes.
For the difference in exposure, for the sake of simply having as many people read what you've written as possible, why would you turn away from the number one place people go for fanfics? I mean, even if he's mature enough as a writer to write without needing feedback to keep him going, that's completely separate from a fundamental goal of a writer, "having as many readers as possible."
It boggles me that someone would turn away from those kind of eyeball counts. I'm boggled.
But no matter what, the thing I don't understand is, if you're already posting the chapter somewhere else, then also posting on ff.net only takes a few more minutes.
For the difference in exposure, for the sake of simply having as many people read what you've written as possible, why would you turn away from the number one place people go for fanfics? I mean, even if he's mature enough as a writer to write without needing feedback to keep him going, that's completely separate from a fundamental goal of a writer, "having as many readers as possible."
It boggles me that someone would turn away from those kind of eyeball counts. I'm boggled.
I think inadvertently the nail has been hit on the head: FFN is great for getting eyeballs on a fic but not much else. When you already have some level of name recognition, it may not be an overriding factor to get anyone and everyone to read. I know I find it a lot easier to offer and receive genuine criticism from a smaller circle than the wide-open fields of FFN.
I think there may be an element of fanon fatigue here too, though--a dissatisfaction with the collective perception of the story or characters could make anyone withdraw.
I think there may be an element of fanon fatigue here too, though--a dissatisfaction with the collective perception of the story or characters could make anyone withdraw.
Fatuous One said:
Ehhhhh....
Specifically, he said:
"On the offhand chance you'd like to join my fanfiction community (which is much smaller and more harshly critical), drop by the Soulriders some time, or sign up to the FFML.
If it was meant to be ... you'll find us."
<a href='http://www.google.com/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Copy + paste</a> -> <a href='http://www.soulriders.org/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>First result</a>.
For someone mocking Durandall for his melodrama, you're kinda mucking up some yourself with stuff like that, you know.
Specifically, he said:
"On the offhand chance you'd like to join my fanfiction community (which is much smaller and more harshly critical), drop by the Soulriders some time, or sign up to the FFML.
If it was meant to be ... you'll find us.
"<a href='http://www.google.com/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Copy + paste</a> -> <a href='http://www.soulriders.org/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>First result</a>.
For someone mocking Durandall for his melodrama, you're kinda mucking up some yourself with stuff like that, you know.
Eh, he's just the kind of person who writes what he feels like and wants to be better at it. Besides, it's not all that hard to find his website.
Also, I'm pretty sure some people couldn't take his C&C. They probably cried like bitches and whined. I figure if you can't take harsh C&C you shouldn't write. The 'too nice' critique was worthless to him, he can't get better if people are afraid of upsetting him.
What is this, I don't even...
I figure he's mature enough to understand and accept that he doesn't fit into that community and thus voluntarily left because it wasn't doing him any good. He was doing his best to critique others and apparently others took it as an attack upon themselves.
I would also assume the reason why he's giving his reasons for leaving are so that some people he has an accord with would understand why he left and that they would continue to help him with their critique off of FFN.
Also, I'm pretty sure some people couldn't take his C&C. They probably cried like bitches and whined. I figure if you can't take harsh C&C you shouldn't write. The 'too nice' critique was worthless to him, he can't get better if people are afraid of upsetting him.
What is this, I don't even...
I figure he's mature enough to understand and accept that he doesn't fit into that community and thus voluntarily left because it wasn't doing him any good. He was doing his best to critique others and apparently others took it as an attack upon themselves.
I would also assume the reason why he's giving his reasons for leaving are so that some people he has an accord with would understand why he left and that they would continue to help him with their critique off of FFN.