Earth/Minbari War Interventions
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More to the point with the genetic prompting to view Vorlons outside their containment suits as Angels its probably even if it IS remembered waved of as myth "yeah an angel came down and gave my Ancestor this star ship" "bullshit, was probably some massive jump forward and divine connotations were alluded to it because it was so much more advanced" etc.
To Belgarion213: that one drew a few chuckles, thanks.
All right, so EA was more into politics and wasn't humbled properly... at first. As the war got bleaker for them, they got better with this. Also, they at least had the honest courage to admit to their mistakes, including the first strikes. Considering that the Minbari rarely talk to anyone, they would have had a harder time disputing it and the EA could milk it for all it's worth (which frankly is not much, the other races likely being unwilling to help anyway, so they did the more profitable thing in the long run really).
I will admit that Post season 4 Minbari were more the kind of guys I cheered for. You're right, by that point and after, they'd earned the right to be respected.
This is 10 years earlier Minbari and EA. Minbari that have sat on their laurels for a thousand years versus the EA who rescued the League from the Dilgar. EA weren't saints but at least by this point they got more respect. By the time Clark took control all that respect went in the toilet and only recovered thank to the B5 humans.
It's these guys I want to see stomped and I freely admit, it's a guilty pleasure to do so.
All right, so EA was more into politics and wasn't humbled properly... at first. As the war got bleaker for them, they got better with this. Also, they at least had the honest courage to admit to their mistakes, including the first strikes. Considering that the Minbari rarely talk to anyone, they would have had a harder time disputing it and the EA could milk it for all it's worth (which frankly is not much, the other races likely being unwilling to help anyway, so they did the more profitable thing in the long run really).
I will admit that Post season 4 Minbari were more the kind of guys I cheered for. You're right, by that point and after, they'd earned the right to be respected.
This is 10 years earlier Minbari and EA. Minbari that have sat on their laurels for a thousand years versus the EA who rescued the League from the Dilgar. EA weren't saints but at least by this point they got more respect. By the time Clark took control all that respect went in the toilet and only recovered thank to the B5 humans.
It's these guys I want to see stomped and I freely admit, it's a guilty pleasure to do so.
Running with that Resident Evil idea . . .
Earth. After Complete Global Saturation. Yes, bitches, Earth is a planet made of highly-evolved killing machines. Earth has now become a highly evolved killing machine. Like Unicron, but better. Because we have Weskertron drones, and tentacles that can reach escape velocity. Although we still sound like Orson Welles.
Forget the Minbari. We make the Shadows piss in their battlecrabs. And then we om nom nom the battlecrabs.
Earth. After Complete Global Saturation. Yes, bitches, Earth is a planet made of highly-evolved killing machines. Earth has now become a highly evolved killing machine. Like Unicron, but better. Because we have Weskertron drones, and tentacles that can reach escape velocity. Although we still sound like Orson Welles.
Forget the Minbari. We make the Shadows piss in their battlecrabs. And then we om nom nom the battlecrabs.
With some quiet help from the Drakh several former homeguard members steal the Victory and Excalibur.
Using some Applied Phlebotinum that the shadows had they send the ships back to earth durring the Earth/Minbari war.
Why would the Drakh do this?
They hope to prolong the war so that both sides are in no position to stop the shadows.
With a little luck the Babylon project might never come into existence .
Using some Applied Phlebotinum that the shadows had they send the ships back to earth durring the Earth/Minbari war.
Why would the Drakh do this?
They hope to prolong the war so that both sides are in no position to stop the shadows.
With a little luck the Babylon project might never come into existence .
I'd rather see intervention either before the war started or shortly after.
Humans survived as an independant polity, that's all you can ask for really. If we're going to improve things then rather than just adding more dead, this time Minbari, to the tally, would be to promote understanding.
Even if the vast majority of Minbari don't know why the war ended, it could be said that the only good thing that comes of it besides the Babylon Project is that everyone was so horrified by what had happened that for the first time in a thousand years they might have questioned some of their traditions.
Its callous of me, but I'd rather things happen as in canon to a certain point. I think that all growth is pain, and if the cost of a place where everyone can come together equally is the deaths in the war...then its sad but necessary.
i would like to see a crossover that improves things. Not in terms of how many gigatons your lasers output, or the size of the war machine, but a change that promotes understanding and somehow brings us to a place better than we dared dream.
Edit: <a href='http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/babylon-5' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/babylon-5</a> doesn't seem to actually play anything. Anyone else have this issue?
Humans survived as an independant polity, that's all you can ask for really. If we're going to improve things then rather than just adding more dead, this time Minbari, to the tally, would be to promote understanding.
Even if the vast majority of Minbari don't know why the war ended, it could be said that the only good thing that comes of it besides the Babylon Project is that everyone was so horrified by what had happened that for the first time in a thousand years they might have questioned some of their traditions.
Its callous of me, but I'd rather things happen as in canon to a certain point. I think that all growth is pain, and if the cost of a place where everyone can come together equally is the deaths in the war...then its sad but necessary.
i would like to see a crossover that improves things. Not in terms of how many gigatons your lasers output, or the size of the war machine, but a change that promotes understanding and somehow brings us to a place better than we dared dream.
Edit: <a href='http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/babylon-5' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/babylon-5</a> doesn't seem to actually play anything. Anyone else have this issue?
The Streaker from David Brins Startide Rising arrives in system before the first shot is fired. Following closely behind are a dozen or so alien armada's intent on capturing it.
The EF ship believing this to be a trap fires and starts the war. Meanwhile the Streaker escapes to earth only to discover they've changed universes. With the war on they provide access to the military knowledge in their mini galactic library.
The entry into the B5 universe stays open and more and more alien ships pour through ending up on the Mimbari's front lawn as it were. Forcing the Mimbari to hold ships back from the front in case of attack but for the most part the aliens fight amongst themselves for control of the portal.
The question of uplift is shelved until after the war is over. However after a truce or victory the uplift tech reveals the reason behind the appearance of telepaths if not the originator of the alterations.
I can just see a disrespectful dolphin as Garibaldi's 2nd in command of security.
The EF ship believing this to be a trap fires and starts the war. Meanwhile the Streaker escapes to earth only to discover they've changed universes. With the war on they provide access to the military knowledge in their mini galactic library.
The entry into the B5 universe stays open and more and more alien ships pour through ending up on the Mimbari's front lawn as it were. Forcing the Mimbari to hold ships back from the front in case of attack but for the most part the aliens fight amongst themselves for control of the portal.
The question of uplift is shelved until after the war is over. However after a truce or victory the uplift tech reveals the reason behind the appearance of telepaths if not the originator of the alterations.
I can just see a disrespectful dolphin as Garibaldi's 2nd in command of security.
Can shinigami survive in space? I haven't seen anything to suggest they don't breathe.
Fidelius charm a planet? Its an interesting thought exercise, but not really a realistic option. We know nothing about how its cast or works, any requirements, or really just anything. Though just to be an ass they could fidelius earth, then a ship, then go hide the Minbari homeworld.
Fidelius charm a planet? Its an interesting thought exercise, but not really a realistic option. We know nothing about how its cast or works, any requirements, or really just anything. Though just to be an ass they could fidelius earth, then a ship, then go hide the Minbari homeworld.
I posted this in Spacebattles, but I thought that I'd bring the idea here as well:
You know, given ramming works in B5 canon, I don't get why EA didn't just build more of the missiles or Kinetic Kill Vehicles designed to be piloted towards Minbari cruisers. It's well within their current tech level. Such Ramships will undoubtedly end with the death of all hands after 1-2 rams, but earth has the means to outproduce the Minbari in terms of ship construction anyway, and they only need armor and engines and little else for the things. The crew should be only 2-6 for one of those and if they build thousands of these Kamikaze suicide rammers, the Minbari fleet would be destroyed at significantly less cost than it would take a conventional fleet. And for the crews of said ships? Use convicts brainwashed by Psicorps if you have to or volunteers to lead them, I doubt you'll have a shortage of people willing to sacrifice for the right incentive.
Perhaps it's the Vorlons again? They put genetic blinders on all the species in canon to keep them under control and make them obey and follow their rules and live the way the Vorlons want, so maybe the Vorlons also stiffled their creativity?
You know, given ramming works in B5 canon, I don't get why EA didn't just build more of the missiles or Kinetic Kill Vehicles designed to be piloted towards Minbari cruisers. It's well within their current tech level. Such Ramships will undoubtedly end with the death of all hands after 1-2 rams, but earth has the means to outproduce the Minbari in terms of ship construction anyway, and they only need armor and engines and little else for the things. The crew should be only 2-6 for one of those and if they build thousands of these Kamikaze suicide rammers, the Minbari fleet would be destroyed at significantly less cost than it would take a conventional fleet. And for the crews of said ships? Use convicts brainwashed by Psicorps if you have to or volunteers to lead them, I doubt you'll have a shortage of people willing to sacrifice for the right incentive.
Perhaps it's the Vorlons again? They put genetic blinders on all the species in canon to keep them under control and make them obey and follow their rules and live the way the Vorlons want, so maybe the Vorlons also stiffled their creativity?