Earth/Minbari War Interventions
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A little before the Battle of The Line, the President of the Earth Alliance choose to use the _Ultimate_ Weapon...
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Please, Soldier of Minbar, we ask you to not continue this madness.
Stop it, before we have to unleash our worst nightmare against you all.
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Very well, we have tried, but you have choose to not hear us.
Madame Brunestrud?
You can release Primate Murder.
And it's cousins, if they want to play...
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And so, the Eldritch Abominations knowed as the Ultimate Ones raped the Minbari Fleet in 2 minutes.
It's crack, it's necro, I do not care.
And I do not want to think what the Earth from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann will do to the Boneheads...
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Please, Soldier of Minbar, we ask you to not continue this madness.
Stop it, before we have to unleash our worst nightmare against you all.
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Very well, we have tried, but you have choose to not hear us.
Madame Brunestrud?
You can release Primate Murder.
And it's cousins, if they want to play...
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And so, the Eldritch Abominations knowed as the Ultimate Ones raped the Minbari Fleet in 2 minutes.
It's crack, it's necro, I do not care.
And I do not want to think what the Earth from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann will do to the Boneheads...
More of it's pretty damn silly and blatantly bad attempt at bashing the Minbari given the feelings of the Primate Murderer and the Aristotles when it comes to humanity. Outside of Arc none of them would care and the Primate Murderer probably would be happy with humanity getting slaughtered given how it was created from the Earth's hate of humanities so-called uppitiness. And Arc sadly doesn't have the power to command it so...
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Ignoring how that makes no fucking sense given how wildly different the situation in the Milky Way galaxy is in both verses, not to mention the amount of asspull that be required to get a fusion to work.
You still run into two of the usual major problems.
The first is that for the Minbari to have existed and more importantly prospered in said verse that requires them to not only possesses the type of technology that is equal to what ever neighbors they might have galatically and quite possibly better then the more active powers around them as well. Which sorta gets you right back to square one.
Second, most of these verse's are really unlikely to pull the same utterly idiotic maneuver that the Earth Alliance did which is what kicked everything off in the first place. They where flat-out told by just about every other race that the Minbari liked to be left alone, ignored any military intelligence that didn't paint the Minbari as paper-tigers, didn't bother to do any real research into Minbari customs, sent somebody who was KNOWN to be a something of a loose-canon and glory seeker to command the military force that they where sending into Minbari held territory, and of course Jankowski's own stupidity once they got there.
Babylon 5 humanity was all but asking to get conquered or a Darwin award for that type of stupidity. Hell if the positions had been reversed and it had been another race that had pulled this on humanity then everyone would be talking about how they got what they deserved.
Well, for one there wouldn't be any sort of space travel, as the laws of physics won't work outside of Gaia's Reality marble.
Assuming this is after Gaia dies and her reality marble collapses, means we are telling Notes. This means that mankind is extinct, replaced by posthuman species of supermen.
Assuming that somehow space travel is possible, minbar mages roflstomp human mages by virtues of being members of the older tradition with greater mistery (perpetuated because of how minbari society works and due to vorlon presence).
Assuming this is after Gaia dies and her reality marble collapses, means we are telling Notes. This means that mankind is extinct, replaced by posthuman species of supermen.
Assuming that somehow space travel is possible, minbar mages roflstomp human mages by virtues of being members of the older tradition with greater mistery (perpetuated because of how minbari society works and due to vorlon presence).
Earth is on the ropes against the Minbari. When people are facing annihilation and the like, they turn to religion. Given the situation, more... warrior-based religions might be called on in the hopes of summoning a savior or two.
The answer? They start praying and making sacrifices to Odin Allfather, the Mighty Thor, his brother Loki, the Goddess of war Sif, and the Warriors Three to deliver them from destruction.
Minbari be damned, the Allfather is sick of your shit and does not care for your invading the realm of Midgard. Set this in the Marvel Asgard after Loki has resurrected everyone and is essentially reformed and watch the fireworks.
Of course, if that doesn't work, you send a single life-pod sized ship at Minbar. One playing very uncomfortable subliminal messages to it's sleeping occupant. And when it lands, it opens and awakens the puny looking older human male inside. Too bad he's bee programmed to get angry at the sight of anyone NOT human.
"Stupid Boneheads think they hurt Hulk. HULK SMASH!"
The answer? They start praying and making sacrifices to Odin Allfather, the Mighty Thor, his brother Loki, the Goddess of war Sif, and the Warriors Three to deliver them from destruction.
Minbari be damned, the Allfather is sick of your shit and does not care for your invading the realm of Midgard. Set this in the Marvel Asgard after Loki has resurrected everyone and is essentially reformed and watch the fireworks.
Of course, if that doesn't work, you send a single life-pod sized ship at Minbar. One playing very uncomfortable subliminal messages to it's sleeping occupant. And when it lands, it opens and awakens the puny looking older human male inside. Too bad he's bee programmed to get angry at the sight of anyone NOT human.
"Stupid Boneheads think they hurt Hulk. HULK SMASH!"
I'll admit I'm been a bit short tempered recently; my main problem with a lot of the suggestions has been that they mainly consist of badly done 'HFY' or mental masturbation with no real thought for the actual series involved. There's been a few good ones but most of them seem to revolve around people being overly offended that humanity got it's ass handed to it for being fucking dumb.
...The Earth-Minbari War never happens as the Minbari are incredibly vastly different (if they even exist) by all the changes that would create among the Vorlons?
Could Alaya do that? I thought that the Counter Force was only capable of going after human threats. Though it could certainly act to keep the entire war from happening by offing Jankowski or the dumber officers at Earth Dome.
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This has so many problems that I'm not even really sure where to start. Offhand besides the usual wanking, you do realize that the Marvel Asgardians are more likely to be offended by usual type of sacrifices that would be made to them?
Or that Odin would be able to see ahead and realize that interfering would actually cause more humanity more trouble then not doing so? Not to mention those who see humanity as the guilty party and feel that they should deal with their issues themselves.
Lets not even get into just how vastly different the Babylon 5 galaxy is going to be by the adding all of history from Marvel comics. Which brings up a number of problems like the agreement made between the First Ones and such.
As with the Tenchi idea, the most likely scenario means that the Minbari won't exist, at least in a recognizable form, as the Vorlons will have no reason to get involved with their very distant ancestors given the existance of all these other older races.
Ignoring of course that humanity has pulled far, far more shit in both marvel and Babylon 5 (even at this point) then the Minbari have several times over or that mankind repeatedly was warned that what they where doing was fucking dumb and that the Minbari did quite a bit more then what was needed to make up for the war, and such.
...Out of curiosity have you actually seen Babylon 5 and are not basing you knowledge off of bad fanon?
Minbar is the cultural center of the Minbari Federation. It is however not the political or industrial center of the Federation and even if Bruce manages to get to Minbar, which is quite a bit harder then it sounds given the defenses around the planet much less all of the difficulties of getting the pod to a fairly unknown solar system through hyperspace, you've pretty doomed humanity. The Minbari take off the kid gloves and start glassing all of the human worlds that they're currently holding and don't bother searching for a excuse to end the war until every human is dead.
Of course you also run into the problem of that a good bit of the Minbari ground forces are automated to some extent. What basically means that if the Hulk against all chances manages to land on Minbar and do so near a city and not say the sea; he'll trash the first few squads sent after him and wipes out any nearby cities only to get hit by several anti-matter bombs when ever he transforms back into Bruce.
...The Earth-Minbari War never happens as the Minbari are incredibly vastly different (if they even exist) by all the changes that would create among the Vorlons?
Could Alaya do that? I thought that the Counter Force was only capable of going after human threats. Though it could certainly act to keep the entire war from happening by offing Jankowski or the dumber officers at Earth Dome.
:headbanger:
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This has so many problems that I'm not even really sure where to start. Offhand besides the usual wanking, you do realize that the Marvel Asgardians are more likely to be offended by usual type of sacrifices that would be made to them?
Or that Odin would be able to see ahead and realize that interfering would actually cause more humanity more trouble then not doing so? Not to mention those who see humanity as the guilty party and feel that they should deal with their issues themselves.
Lets not even get into just how vastly different the Babylon 5 galaxy is going to be by the adding all of history from Marvel comics. Which brings up a number of problems like the agreement made between the First Ones and such.
As with the Tenchi idea, the most likely scenario means that the Minbari won't exist, at least in a recognizable form, as the Vorlons will have no reason to get involved with their very distant ancestors given the existance of all these other older races.
Ignoring of course that humanity has pulled far, far more shit in both marvel and Babylon 5 (even at this point) then the Minbari have several times over or that mankind repeatedly was warned that what they where doing was fucking dumb and that the Minbari did quite a bit more then what was needed to make up for the war, and such.
...Out of curiosity have you actually seen Babylon 5 and are not basing you knowledge off of bad fanon?
Minbar is the cultural center of the Minbari Federation. It is however not the political or industrial center of the Federation and even if Bruce manages to get to Minbar, which is quite a bit harder then it sounds given the defenses around the planet much less all of the difficulties of getting the pod to a fairly unknown solar system through hyperspace, you've pretty doomed humanity. The Minbari take off the kid gloves and start glassing all of the human worlds that they're currently holding and don't bother searching for a excuse to end the war until every human is dead.
Of course you also run into the problem of that a good bit of the Minbari ground forces are automated to some extent. What basically means that if the Hulk against all chances manages to land on Minbar and do so near a city and not say the sea; he'll trash the first few squads sent after him and wipes out any nearby cities only to get hit by several anti-matter bombs when ever he transforms back into Bruce.
Yes, because they will immediately think that the giant green monster laying waste to their home world is a human when they have never never even been willing to talk to one. And sending the Hulk pretty much means they know they're dead already. They're just going for MAD of the respective home worlds. Hulk could and would lay waste to the entire planet. He could crack it in half if pissed off enough. Plus, you might get a slight reprieve as they recall some of their military to try to subdue him. then progressively more of it as they realize they are failing to subdue him.
Your point with Asgard, other than ignoring the point of the thread where and outside force helps humanity and wanking over B5 canon, is easily handled. I said the Asgardians were there, not all of the Marvelverse. The full Marvel or DC Universe would spank the Minbari. Stark Industries alone would spam tech that could defend the planet. We all know that. But a world where say... only the Nine Realms and the Thor continuity are there it's not a leap to say that the Minabari were under the stewardship of the Vorlons while humanity was under the stewardship of the Asgardians. Yes, it fucks up the whole "Who are you/What do you want" Vorlon/Shadow pissing contest. Here's a wrinkle, though. Who cares? This is about giving humanity a fighting chance before B5 itself ever existed. And as for the sacrifices, who's to say that they didn't either A.) find records of acceptable ones a part of looking for a way to contact Asgard (which would be a fringe movement until it actually WORKS) or B.) failing that, that the Asgardians might not see the incorrect attempts and still take pity on Midgard?
As for humanity asking for it, yes they did. To an extent. Then again, how would you react to the equivalent to someone drawing a gun on you as a sign of good faith when you don't know them or their culture? The Minbari were just as at fault and their leader understood that, but got offed before he could stop the whole mess from escalating.
Your point with Asgard, other than ignoring the point of the thread where and outside force helps humanity and wanking over B5 canon, is easily handled. I said the Asgardians were there, not all of the Marvelverse. The full Marvel or DC Universe would spank the Minbari. Stark Industries alone would spam tech that could defend the planet. We all know that. But a world where say... only the Nine Realms and the Thor continuity are there it's not a leap to say that the Minabari were under the stewardship of the Vorlons while humanity was under the stewardship of the Asgardians. Yes, it fucks up the whole "Who are you/What do you want" Vorlon/Shadow pissing contest. Here's a wrinkle, though. Who cares? This is about giving humanity a fighting chance before B5 itself ever existed. And as for the sacrifices, who's to say that they didn't either A.) find records of acceptable ones a part of looking for a way to contact Asgard (which would be a fringe movement until it actually WORKS) or B.) failing that, that the Asgardians might not see the incorrect attempts and still take pity on Midgard?
As for humanity asking for it, yes they did. To an extent. Then again, how would you react to the equivalent to someone drawing a gun on you as a sign of good faith when you don't know them or their culture? The Minbari were just as at fault and their leader understood that, but got offed before he could stop the whole mess from escalating.
Actually there where a few times that they where willing to talk.
But more seriously I could see them recognizing the Hulk, if Bruce is actually given the chance to transform, do to the fact that various Minbari where studying humanity and the Hulk would be rather infamous. Combined with the fact that as I pointed out a good bit of Minbari ground forces are automated he wouldn't be able to see the Minbari, meaning that subliminal messaging wouldn't have a chance to activate. And that's if he even can get down to Minbar ...which is a LOT harder then it sounds.
But lets say that it does that Bruce's pod does manage that one in a million chance of getting down to Minbar and not crash into their equivalent of antartica or the sea. It's basically going to have satellite in LEO pointed at it. Which means that they're going to see him go and green and mean.
Except that beforehand there was a large chance of surviving human colonies and possibility of some remnant of the humanity surviving. Something that this would end so fast that isn't funny.
Except that the thread wasn't just particularly about wanking over B5. I have no problem with outside forces helping humanity or even turing the tide of the war, and even during the canon E-M War there were several times where other races might have intervened. I just find the blatant mental masturbation of irritating.
Well the Vorlons and other First Ones for one. What you're suggesting would actually have a rather massive effects, some of which could either keep the war from happening or escalate it into a war of the gods type situation...
Except that EarthForce was flat-out told by just about every other race that the Minbari liked to be left alone and that what they where planning was fucking stupid. Then they willing ignored any military intelligence that didn't paint the Minbari as paper-tigers and didn't bother to do any real research into Minbari customs while sending a person who was KNOWN to be a loose-canon and glory seeker to command the military force that they where sending into Minbari held territory, and of course Jankowski's own stupidity once they got there.
All of which they could have easily found out if they had bothered. The only reason that they didn't know Minbari customs like having their gunports open was that no-one in Earth Dome could be assed to ask Lando whether the Minbari had any culture quirks that they needed to know.
But more seriously I could see them recognizing the Hulk, if Bruce is actually given the chance to transform, do to the fact that various Minbari where studying humanity and the Hulk would be rather infamous. Combined with the fact that as I pointed out a good bit of Minbari ground forces are automated he wouldn't be able to see the Minbari, meaning that subliminal messaging wouldn't have a chance to activate. And that's if he even can get down to Minbar ...which is a LOT harder then it sounds.
But lets say that it does that Bruce's pod does manage that one in a million chance of getting down to Minbar and not crash into their equivalent of antartica or the sea. It's basically going to have satellite in LEO pointed at it. Which means that they're going to see him go and green and mean.
Except that beforehand there was a large chance of surviving human colonies and possibility of some remnant of the humanity surviving. Something that this would end so fast that isn't funny.
Except that the thread wasn't just particularly about wanking over B5. I have no problem with outside forces helping humanity or even turing the tide of the war, and even during the canon E-M War there were several times where other races might have intervened. I just find the blatant mental masturbation of irritating.
Well the Vorlons and other First Ones for one. What you're suggesting would actually have a rather massive effects, some of which could either keep the war from happening or escalate it into a war of the gods type situation...
Except that EarthForce was flat-out told by just about every other race that the Minbari liked to be left alone and that what they where planning was fucking stupid. Then they willing ignored any military intelligence that didn't paint the Minbari as paper-tigers and didn't bother to do any real research into Minbari customs while sending a person who was KNOWN to be a loose-canon and glory seeker to command the military force that they where sending into Minbari held territory, and of course Jankowski's own stupidity once they got there.
All of which they could have easily found out if they had bothered. The only reason that they didn't know Minbari customs like having their gunports open was that no-one in Earth Dome could be assed to ask Lando whether the Minbari had any culture quirks that they needed to know.
More likely a war of the gods, really. Thor is hardly what one would consider a cool head in this situation. The Vorlons would probably try to tell Odin to stay out of it which Odin would NOT like. The Allfather is a dick more often than not where his sons are concerned, but he's the ruler of Asgard for a reason. You do NOT order him around without consequences. The only chance for a peaceful resolution would be Loki negotiating with the Vorlons and convincing them to call the Minbari back. Assuming they don't piss Loki off which is always a BAD idea.
Then again, as long as the Asgardians helped repel the Minbari without destroying them outright, I don't think the Vorlons would interfere. Or even care all that much. It would be a valuable tune up to remind the Minbari what an Old Race was like before they had to face the Shadows.
Cut to Asgard saving humanity and mankind spawning an age of Viking culture in space as a result. The Minbari have their flying fish. Man has his dragon longboats in space.
Then again, as long as the Asgardians helped repel the Minbari without destroying them outright, I don't think the Vorlons would interfere. Or even care all that much. It would be a valuable tune up to remind the Minbari what an Old Race was like before they had to face the Shadows.
Cut to Asgard saving humanity and mankind spawning an age of Viking culture in space as a result. The Minbari have their flying fish. Man has his dragon longboats in space.
True that. Though depending on whose writing him, he can actually be pretty intelligent.
It'd probably depend a lot on how the two races had met before. There's a pretty important agreement between the First Ones on how the Vorlons and Shadows were supposed to help guide the younger races while the other First Ones weren't to interfere but there have been several times in Vorlon history where they'd either be willing to look the other way on that or are so bitter and tired that they'd probably give the Asgarians their position for a few hundred millennia.
Though they're unlikely to do any type of ordering one or the other. Bad manners that ...besides it's the first time that Olos(diplomat) aspect would be able to actually do their jobs in more then thousands upon thousands of years.
Probably not likely to happen. The Vorlons did apparently want the war the to end and where apparently somehow(?) surprised by the entire thing but considered direct interference to risky on the possible damaging long-term effects it would have on the younger races. It wasn't until Naranek/Kosh I died that more militaristic and a lot less caring about the younger races faction gained the influence needed to get the Vorlons to bother about getting actually active in the galaxy again.
Possibly. The vorlons are all old and almost all of them are on some level tired, bitter, and sad from millions of years of trying to shepherd countless races only to watch them fail and wipe themselves out. Usually do to the Shadows but at times blameable only on the mistakes of vorlons.
Most of them did somewhat care in somewhat crotchety old person way but the entire race has a legion of issues ...with the minbari especially. So really it'd depend on past interactions between the two and how outright active and aggressive the Asgard are probably. Though I could easily enough seeing sorta leaving the Asgard in their position if said relations where good enough.
To be fair neither the Shadows or Vorlons are directly active during the 'Shadow Wars'. The one time they did, they accidentally wiped out life in one of the Magellanic galaxies.
No problem with that. Though I do have to wonder if the Asgard being there means that Earthforce will potentially splinter faster, given that have good reason to believe that they might protect against outside threats.
It'd probably depend a lot on how the two races had met before. There's a pretty important agreement between the First Ones on how the Vorlons and Shadows were supposed to help guide the younger races while the other First Ones weren't to interfere but there have been several times in Vorlon history where they'd either be willing to look the other way on that or are so bitter and tired that they'd probably give the Asgarians their position for a few hundred millennia.
Though they're unlikely to do any type of ordering one or the other. Bad manners that ...besides it's the first time that Olos(diplomat) aspect would be able to actually do their jobs in more then thousands upon thousands of years.
Probably not likely to happen. The Vorlons did apparently want the war the to end and where apparently somehow(?) surprised by the entire thing but considered direct interference to risky on the possible damaging long-term effects it would have on the younger races. It wasn't until Naranek/Kosh I died that more militaristic and a lot less caring about the younger races faction gained the influence needed to get the Vorlons to bother about getting actually active in the galaxy again.
Possibly. The vorlons are all old and almost all of them are on some level tired, bitter, and sad from millions of years of trying to shepherd countless races only to watch them fail and wipe themselves out. Usually do to the Shadows but at times blameable only on the mistakes of vorlons.
Most of them did somewhat care in somewhat crotchety old person way but the entire race has a legion of issues ...with the minbari especially. So really it'd depend on past interactions between the two and how outright active and aggressive the Asgard are probably. Though I could easily enough seeing sorta leaving the Asgard in their position if said relations where good enough.
To be fair neither the Shadows or Vorlons are directly active during the 'Shadow Wars'. The one time they did, they accidentally wiped out life in one of the Magellanic galaxies.
No problem with that. Though I do have to wonder if the Asgard being there means that Earthforce will potentially splinter faster, given that have good reason to believe that they might protect against outside threats.
Just a thought, but given that Asgadians look like humans, is it possible for the Minbari to assume that they ARE altered humans? Imagine Loki going to them as an emissary to end the conflicts only for them to insult him AND accuse him of being human.
It's true what they say about assuming. You make an ass of you and me.
It's true what they say about assuming. You make an ass of you and me.
And it's not at all like Loki to troll someone for shits and giggles. Never mind a group that he feels has a false sense of superiority.
To say that the appearance from thin air of a strangely armored man in a horned helmet in the middle of a meeting of the Minbari Grey Council was a shock would be an understatement. Although the fact that none of the guards reacted to his appearance, for they seemed to have been frozen in time for the duration of his visit, would disturb them more when they had time to ponder it.
"Who are you?" Satai Delenn asked of the green and gold clad figure that had appeared before the Grey Council as Satai Coplann, barked, "What do you want?"
"I would think that you would be so tired of those questions at this point. Then again I suppose they are the crux of what you have been training yourselves for," Loki mused to himself with a devilish smirk.
"I beg your pardon?" Delenn replied in confusion.
"As well you should, mortal, but that is neither here nor there. As for who I am? I am Loki Odinson of Asgard and I have been asked by my king Odin the Allfather to attempt to speak with you and your council about your recent activities against Midgard," Loki smoothly responded.
"Midgard? We have never heard of a planet called Midgard," Satai Morann said with a look of confusion.
"Ah, yes. The local savages chose to rename it long ago when our more ardent followers chose to... 'enlighten' themselves. In the modern vernacular the natives are calling it Earth. As if naming it after dirt is somehow more civilized," Loki replied with a shrug.
"You are one of the Earthers?" Satai Morann demanded with a scowl.
Loki's own scowl is return made the temperature appear to drop significantly as he icily replied, "No. I am no more a human than you and your people are Vorlons. And you would do well to remember your manners when addressing someone older than your entire pitiful civilization, mortal."
"I'm afraid we do not understand your meaning then, Loki Odinson," Delenn interjected if only to move along the purpose of the strange visit from the even stranger visitor. Besides, there was something particularly off-putting about the creature before them. A sense of thinly hidden danger and barely-restrained power that made Delenn want to cut this visit as short as she could.
"Yes, well, understanding things has always been difficult for the younger races," Loki sniffed disdainfully. Honestly, Thor or Sif should have been sent to deal with these fools. No matter how silver Loki's tongue might be it's not like these self-important apes would care. Besides, Sif could bond with their women over being bald.
"Younger races. Do you mean to say you are one of the First Ones?" Delenn asked with wide eyes.
"That is what some of you have called us. Not that it matters. Power isn't always about who is born first. Usually, it's more about who is left standing at the end," Loki purred.
"Then the Earthers have nothing to worry about as they will not be standing much longer," Satai Neroon shot back.
"Ah, yes. That is what drew me here, isn't it? I suppose I should get to the point. Odin Allfather has sent me to inform you that Midgard, as one of the Nine Realms, had called out to Asgard to beg for deliverance from their foolish actions as they did in times of old. Although the Allfather understands that you have been wronged he has still been moved by their plight and sent me, his devoted son, to broker a peace between your races," Loki recited with a bored look.
"Peace? With them? They murdered Dukhat! Their only peace will be the peace of the grave," insisted Satai Morann.
"And you took your revenge a thousandfold for their abject stupidity. Frankly I agree that they needed to be punished some and taken down several pegs. You have done so. You have proven your strength through war, now it is time to show your wisdom and compassion through peace," Loki shot back.
"The vote was cast. We will destroy them all. It is a holy war and can not be stopped," Satai Codroni responded. "The Earthers killed the best of us. Now they must deal with the consequences."
Allfather above, they sound worse than me when I was amusing myself taunting Thor on Midgard a couple of hundred years ago. Could they be any more arrogant? Loki thought to himself with a derisive snort. "Tread carefully when you make statements like that, Codroni of Minbar. Faith can become a double edged blade," Loki warned.
"What do you mean?" Delenn asked with a look of curiosity in spite of herself.
"Faith can become the last refuge of the desperate. Take the Midgardians, for example. Did you know that once, many many centuries ago, they worshiped my people as gods? They were little more than savages playing with crude steel weapons and wooden spears then. Now, all these lifetimes later, and despite their advances in technology they have reverted to calling out to whatever deity would listen to save them as they face certain doom. Imagine the shock of the skeptical when someone answered," Loki replied with a leer.
"You mean to tell us that you will defend the Earthers?" Delenn whispered as she caught on to what Loki was implying.
"Whatever else they may be, the people of Midgard are one of the Nine Realms. They have been under our stewardship when they needed to be just as you were on the Vorlon leash. I give you fair warning to consider your path. You will find that we are far more willing to look after our pets than the Vorlons have been. Do keep that in mind," Loki said with a dark chuckle before fading away from sight.
The disquieting alarm his visit prompted was such that it was nearly fifteen minutes before the Grey Council collected itself enough to rise into an uproar at the security breach and begin to look for all they could on a race know as the Asgarders.
Sadly, none of them immediately thought to send a transmission about the visit to Vorlon space to get the input of their own patron First Ones. If they had, much unpleasantness might have been avoided.
To say that the appearance from thin air of a strangely armored man in a horned helmet in the middle of a meeting of the Minbari Grey Council was a shock would be an understatement. Although the fact that none of the guards reacted to his appearance, for they seemed to have been frozen in time for the duration of his visit, would disturb them more when they had time to ponder it.
"Who are you?" Satai Delenn asked of the green and gold clad figure that had appeared before the Grey Council as Satai Coplann, barked, "What do you want?"
"I would think that you would be so tired of those questions at this point. Then again I suppose they are the crux of what you have been training yourselves for," Loki mused to himself with a devilish smirk.
"I beg your pardon?" Delenn replied in confusion.
"As well you should, mortal, but that is neither here nor there. As for who I am? I am Loki Odinson of Asgard and I have been asked by my king Odin the Allfather to attempt to speak with you and your council about your recent activities against Midgard," Loki smoothly responded.
"Midgard? We have never heard of a planet called Midgard," Satai Morann said with a look of confusion.
"Ah, yes. The local savages chose to rename it long ago when our more ardent followers chose to... 'enlighten' themselves. In the modern vernacular the natives are calling it Earth. As if naming it after dirt is somehow more civilized," Loki replied with a shrug.
"You are one of the Earthers?" Satai Morann demanded with a scowl.
Loki's own scowl is return made the temperature appear to drop significantly as he icily replied, "No. I am no more a human than you and your people are Vorlons. And you would do well to remember your manners when addressing someone older than your entire pitiful civilization, mortal."
"I'm afraid we do not understand your meaning then, Loki Odinson," Delenn interjected if only to move along the purpose of the strange visit from the even stranger visitor. Besides, there was something particularly off-putting about the creature before them. A sense of thinly hidden danger and barely-restrained power that made Delenn want to cut this visit as short as she could.
"Yes, well, understanding things has always been difficult for the younger races," Loki sniffed disdainfully. Honestly, Thor or Sif should have been sent to deal with these fools. No matter how silver Loki's tongue might be it's not like these self-important apes would care. Besides, Sif could bond with their women over being bald.
"Younger races. Do you mean to say you are one of the First Ones?" Delenn asked with wide eyes.
"That is what some of you have called us. Not that it matters. Power isn't always about who is born first. Usually, it's more about who is left standing at the end," Loki purred.
"Then the Earthers have nothing to worry about as they will not be standing much longer," Satai Neroon shot back.
"Ah, yes. That is what drew me here, isn't it? I suppose I should get to the point. Odin Allfather has sent me to inform you that Midgard, as one of the Nine Realms, had called out to Asgard to beg for deliverance from their foolish actions as they did in times of old. Although the Allfather understands that you have been wronged he has still been moved by their plight and sent me, his devoted son, to broker a peace between your races," Loki recited with a bored look.
"Peace? With them? They murdered Dukhat! Their only peace will be the peace of the grave," insisted Satai Morann.
"And you took your revenge a thousandfold for their abject stupidity. Frankly I agree that they needed to be punished some and taken down several pegs. You have done so. You have proven your strength through war, now it is time to show your wisdom and compassion through peace," Loki shot back.
"The vote was cast. We will destroy them all. It is a holy war and can not be stopped," Satai Codroni responded. "The Earthers killed the best of us. Now they must deal with the consequences."
Allfather above, they sound worse than me when I was amusing myself taunting Thor on Midgard a couple of hundred years ago. Could they be any more arrogant? Loki thought to himself with a derisive snort. "Tread carefully when you make statements like that, Codroni of Minbar. Faith can become a double edged blade," Loki warned.
"What do you mean?" Delenn asked with a look of curiosity in spite of herself.
"Faith can become the last refuge of the desperate. Take the Midgardians, for example. Did you know that once, many many centuries ago, they worshiped my people as gods? They were little more than savages playing with crude steel weapons and wooden spears then. Now, all these lifetimes later, and despite their advances in technology they have reverted to calling out to whatever deity would listen to save them as they face certain doom. Imagine the shock of the skeptical when someone answered," Loki replied with a leer.
"You mean to tell us that you will defend the Earthers?" Delenn whispered as she caught on to what Loki was implying.
"Whatever else they may be, the people of Midgard are one of the Nine Realms. They have been under our stewardship when they needed to be just as you were on the Vorlon leash. I give you fair warning to consider your path. You will find that we are far more willing to look after our pets than the Vorlons have been. Do keep that in mind," Loki said with a dark chuckle before fading away from sight.
The disquieting alarm his visit prompted was such that it was nearly fifteen minutes before the Grey Council collected itself enough to rise into an uproar at the security breach and begin to look for all they could on a race know as the Asgarders.
Sadly, none of them immediately thought to send a transmission about the visit to Vorlon space to get the input of their own patron First Ones. If they had, much unpleasantness might have been avoided.
I'm pretty sure some one has done a Marvel/Babylon 5 crossover on SpaceBattles.
In it Earth has long been feeding Galactus dead planets they have covered in living crystal, although Galactus has not been asked to intervene he means to eat the Minbari next should his food supply run out. The Minbari have taken a planet but didn't expect Wolverine to be there in the shadows waiting. Worse yet they learned not to mess with the Hulk when they lost a ship in orbit to a thrown Minbari tank.
In it Earth has long been feeding Galactus dead planets they have covered in living crystal, although Galactus has not been asked to intervene he means to eat the Minbari next should his food supply run out. The Minbari have taken a planet but didn't expect Wolverine to be there in the shadows waiting. Worse yet they learned not to mess with the Hulk when they lost a ship in orbit to a thrown Minbari tank.
That's great and all but if you add in the Asgard of Marvel continuity you only open yourself up to a bunch of people asking why this or that Marvel series is or isn't included into the story. If left out you have to wonder why Thor was sent down to earth in the first place if not to become a hero.
Honestly the only reasonable compromise I could think up is the events in Marvel happen sometime between 2230 (the beginning of the Dilgar War) and 2245 (the beginning of the Minbari War) instead of the early 80s (or 70s depending on your timeline). Mutants come out but fear they will be subsidized into their own Psy Corps, some guy is swinging by webline in New York, a cop goes psycho and starts killing criminals and Tony Stark makes a futuristic fighting suit in an era far more likely to have the tech base to maintain said suit. Curbstomp could still happen but at this point it could take years, time the Minbari won't give them.
Honestly the only reasonable compromise I could think up is the events in Marvel happen sometime between 2230 (the beginning of the Dilgar War) and 2245 (the beginning of the Minbari War) instead of the early 80s (or 70s depending on your timeline). Mutants come out but fear they will be subsidized into their own Psy Corps, some guy is swinging by webline in New York, a cop goes psycho and starts killing criminals and Tony Stark makes a futuristic fighting suit in an era far more likely to have the tech base to maintain said suit. Curbstomp could still happen but at this point it could take years, time the Minbari won't give them.
Take out the teaser at the end and the Thor movie demonstrates a world where Thor could have been sent to Earth not to be a hero, but to teach his thick-headed ass a lesson, quite well. As for other people complaining, well if they know up front via disclaimer that it's only Thor and Asgard there, then it's out of my hands of they want to continue to complain. Creative license and all that. :huh.:
"Your words seemed a bit less diplomatic than expected, my son," Odin said to the kneeling form of his adopted son.
"I delivered your message word for word, Allfather," Loki responded with his eyes averted as he remained on one knee. Although it was all he could do to keep the smirk from his face.
"Indeed, you did. That will be all for now, Loki," Odin acknowledged with a nod of his head. There was no sense reprimanding Loki for his other words to goad the Minbari. It was likely they would not have heeded a more heartfelt warning any more than they had Loki's idea of fun. It would appear Odin needed to discuss defense logistics for Midgard with Heimdall now.
Loki nodded in response as he stood, before shooting his mother Frigga a warm smile to thaw her mildly reproachful look at his latest mischief. He then turned and headed out of the throne room, seemingly unaware that Thor had matched pace beside him to his left or that Sif stood half a step behind Thor where she could keep an eye on the Trickster at all times.
"Did you really have to provoke them, Brother?" Thor asked once they were safely out of earshot of their father.
"No. But it was fun," Loki replied with a shark's grin.
"You and your games," Sif snorted in derision. Although she would never trust Loki outside of a battle for Asgard itself, she could not say she was too upset over what was to come. "Do you think the Vorlons will come to the aid of the Minbari?" she asked after a moment to think over the coming battle.
"They would have come to us to try to warn us away from their pets if they intended to do so. I imagine they are as sick of the whole mess as we are. We are just invested enough in Midgard to bother doing something about it," Loki replied with a shrug.
"Aye. They made enough of a mess of things the last time they visited Midgard. We all but lost our hold of the realm for it. Still the challenge of the coming Minbari will be a sight to behold. It will be a glorious battle to come, brother," Thor commented with a grin.
"Hardly. The Minbari have not fought a real war in a thousand years. And Midgard has offered them no challenge. They have no concept of what a greater foe could do to them, despite their so-called preparation for the Shadows. It will be a slaughter to beat back the horde and give them back their fear. Nothing more," Loki spat.
"You seem to feel more contempt for them than you did for Midgard, Liesmith," Sif commented with a cock of her head at Loki as if trying to see into his mind.
"Midgard has its charms, as do the humans. They adapt. They learn. That is why I thought they would be a good people to rule," Loki replied indifferently.
"They were not yours to rule, Loki," Thor replied softly.
Loki's expression darkened he he shot back, "Better them than the Jotunn."
"Brother," Thor started with a worried expression as even Sif looked stung at Loki's bitterness.
"It is past, Thor. I may have been born of Laufey, but I am still Odinson. And your brother. You beat that lesson into my head fairly deeply with Mjolnir the last time I got it in my head to start trouble. And you got a comely wife out of the effort to boot," Loki replied with nasty grin. He always liked to remind Sif that Thor had chosen the young mortal nurse Jane Foster over her.
"Aye," Thor replied jovially, missing the scowl Sif had sent between Loki's shoulder blades. "Speaking of Jane, I think she is spending time with your Sigyn in the gardens to keep her company as she awaits your return, if you care to join me there, Brother."
The mention of Loki's ever faithful wife Sigyn brought a smile to his face as few other things could. Then let us join them, Thor. It would not do to keep our lady loves waiting," Loki replied with a genuine twinkle in his eye.
And with that the trio headed off to the royal gardens to enjoy the calm before the coming storm.
***Just to clear it up, this is comic Jane. As much as I would have liked to use movieverse Darcy in there somewhere for the sake of her sarcastic hotty self, I tried to keep this comicverse. Jane has been given one of Indunn's apples and is as immortal as any other Asgardian as a result.
"I delivered your message word for word, Allfather," Loki responded with his eyes averted as he remained on one knee. Although it was all he could do to keep the smirk from his face.
"Indeed, you did. That will be all for now, Loki," Odin acknowledged with a nod of his head. There was no sense reprimanding Loki for his other words to goad the Minbari. It was likely they would not have heeded a more heartfelt warning any more than they had Loki's idea of fun. It would appear Odin needed to discuss defense logistics for Midgard with Heimdall now.
Loki nodded in response as he stood, before shooting his mother Frigga a warm smile to thaw her mildly reproachful look at his latest mischief. He then turned and headed out of the throne room, seemingly unaware that Thor had matched pace beside him to his left or that Sif stood half a step behind Thor where she could keep an eye on the Trickster at all times.
"Did you really have to provoke them, Brother?" Thor asked once they were safely out of earshot of their father.
"No. But it was fun," Loki replied with a shark's grin.
"You and your games," Sif snorted in derision. Although she would never trust Loki outside of a battle for Asgard itself, she could not say she was too upset over what was to come. "Do you think the Vorlons will come to the aid of the Minbari?" she asked after a moment to think over the coming battle.
"They would have come to us to try to warn us away from their pets if they intended to do so. I imagine they are as sick of the whole mess as we are. We are just invested enough in Midgard to bother doing something about it," Loki replied with a shrug.
"Aye. They made enough of a mess of things the last time they visited Midgard. We all but lost our hold of the realm for it. Still the challenge of the coming Minbari will be a sight to behold. It will be a glorious battle to come, brother," Thor commented with a grin.
"Hardly. The Minbari have not fought a real war in a thousand years. And Midgard has offered them no challenge. They have no concept of what a greater foe could do to them, despite their so-called preparation for the Shadows. It will be a slaughter to beat back the horde and give them back their fear. Nothing more," Loki spat.
"You seem to feel more contempt for them than you did for Midgard, Liesmith," Sif commented with a cock of her head at Loki as if trying to see into his mind.
"Midgard has its charms, as do the humans. They adapt. They learn. That is why I thought they would be a good people to rule," Loki replied indifferently.
"They were not yours to rule, Loki," Thor replied softly.
Loki's expression darkened he he shot back, "Better them than the Jotunn."
"Brother," Thor started with a worried expression as even Sif looked stung at Loki's bitterness.
"It is past, Thor. I may have been born of Laufey, but I am still Odinson. And your brother. You beat that lesson into my head fairly deeply with Mjolnir the last time I got it in my head to start trouble. And you got a comely wife out of the effort to boot," Loki replied with nasty grin. He always liked to remind Sif that Thor had chosen the young mortal nurse Jane Foster over her.
"Aye," Thor replied jovially, missing the scowl Sif had sent between Loki's shoulder blades. "Speaking of Jane, I think she is spending time with your Sigyn in the gardens to keep her company as she awaits your return, if you care to join me there, Brother."
The mention of Loki's ever faithful wife Sigyn brought a smile to his face as few other things could. Then let us join them, Thor. It would not do to keep our lady loves waiting," Loki replied with a genuine twinkle in his eye.
And with that the trio headed off to the royal gardens to enjoy the calm before the coming storm.
***Just to clear it up, this is comic Jane. As much as I would have liked to use movieverse Darcy in there somewhere for the sake of her sarcastic hotty self, I tried to keep this comicverse. Jane has been given one of Indunn's apples and is as immortal as any other Asgardian as a result.