Earth/Minbari War Interventions

Hawk

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#26
drakensis said:
Alright, who sat on the SDF. Because the fattie who did so has squashed it.
That is a Hiigaran Battle cruiser from Homeworld 2. Three-dimensions of play allowing for all sorts of normally impossible tactics for outmaneuvering, and render fixed defenses nearly worthless. Hyperspace jumps used as tactical maneuvers to escape that last lethal volley and make repairs. Unless of course they have brought a hyperspace inhibitor into play... or shot off your hyperdrive (targeting subsystems on capital ships... so beautiful).

Too bad he didn't take the one from Homeworld 2 Complex. Which is certainly the best Homeworld 2 mod about, and amazing. It gives me shivers just thinking of the epic battles you can get going in Complex. Hundreds of missiles crisscrossing space, thousands of projectiles flying every direction, beams slicing apart the heavens themselves with brilliance, and every weapon has its course fully mapped so that it hits whatever is in its path. Ships can dodge fire and it not hit them, no dice rolls, no mysterious always hit weapons, if it is on the right path, it hits. If a shot misses its target it can still potentially hit ships behind it.

The huge amount of firepower that can be exchanged in massive final confrontations between fleets of battlecrusisers and battleships with carrier support and screening elements... it is staggering. Frigates die like gnats as projectiles their own size are hurled between the capital ships, carriers burn and explode in brilliant flashes that blot out the screen as their fusion bottles fail. Battlecrusiers stagger as their thick armor is battered. And then, when the battle seems loss, your enemy realizes it was all a ploy to make him commit, his ships scatter and run for the limit of your remaining hyper inhibitors weapons slashing behind them, as your massive, Capital Ship Sized Nuclear Bomb plows into their fleet, and detonates in a flash visible throughout the entire system.
 

andaandyckas

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#27
inverted helix said:
drakensis said:
Alright, who sat on the SDF. Because the fattie who did so has squashed it.
That is a Hiigaran Battle cruiser from Homeworld 2. Three-dimensions of play allowing for all sorts of normally impossible tactics for outmaneuvering, and render fixed defenses nearly worthless. Hyperspace jumps used as tactical maneuvers to escape that last lethal volley and make repairs. Unless of course they have brought a hyperspace inhibitor into play... or shot off your hyperdrive (targeting subsystems on capital ships... so beautiful).

Too bad he didn't take the one from Homeworld 2 Complex. Which is certainly the best Homeworld 2 mod about, and amazing. It gives me shivers just thinking of the epic battles you can get going in Complex. Hundreds of missiles crisscrossing space, thousands of projectiles flying every direction, beams slicing apart the heavens themselves with brilliance, and every weapon has its course fully mapped so that it hits whatever is in its path. Ships can dodge fire and it not hit them, no dice rolls, no mysterious always hit weapons, if it is on the right path, it hits. If a shot misses its target it can still potentially hit ships behind it.

The huge amount of firepower that can be exchanged in massive final confrontations between fleets of battlecrusisers and battleships with carrier support and screening elements... it is staggering. Frigates die like gnats as projectiles their own size are hurled between the capital ships, carriers burn and explode in brilliant flashes that blot out the screen as their fusion bottles fail. Battlecrusiers stagger as their thick armor is battered. And then, when the battle seems loss, your enemy realizes it was all a ploy to make him commit, his ships scatter and run for the limit of your remaining hyper inhibitors weapons slashing behind them, as your massive, Capital Ship Sized Nuclear Bomb plows into their fleet, and detonates in a flash visible throughout the entire system.
Whoaaaaaa...... :blink: :blink: :jawdrop:

It sound .... EPIC.

Where can I got it??????
 

AbyssalDaemon

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#28
Kibbles said:
They'd have a lot of trouble with Shadows and Vorlons (who have faster ships that may or may not be susceptible to the heavy jamming Star Wars normally uses), but they'd be fully able to swarm them, eventually. It'd be a bloody, bloody war, but one that they might win. The Republic has several million worlds, after all ... what's one or a hundred in that number?
I have to question that somewhat, at least for the Vorlons given the Shadows are a bit more alien in their way of doing things for several reasons. First off the industrial might of the Vorlon Empire when they actually feel like using it according to Darkness and Light, dwarfs that of Galactic Empire at it's height. For example both the Vorlons and Shadows if they felt like it are supposed to be more then capable of build a Dyson's Sphere around every star within the galaxy. It should be note that they're capable of doing this by themselves without any outside help.

Two the Vorlons make the Star League at it's worst look overly trusting and naive. Not only have they constructed several of their more established worlds a machine that will draw the planet through a massive vortex and into a specially constructed tunnel in hyperspace leading to another star system but in a act of true dickery bobby-trapped the suns of their worlds, so that if they ever felt like it they could cause them to go nova. They also keep the majority of their unfinished construction within specially constructed Hyperspace folds making it pretty much impossible for anyone who isn't Vorlon from getting to them.

It should also be noted having lost both their original homeworld along with almost all the worlds that they had originally settled in their younger years during the war against the Thirdspace Aliens combined with their conflict with the Shadows, and becoming persona non grata with the rest of the Elder Races has made the Vorlon's heavy fortify the few world's they still inhabit. Though given that half of defenses involve hyperspace in someway it's questionable about how good some of them would be.

Three the Vorlon's ship-wise actually outnumbers the Galactic Empire. In Darkness and Light their stated to have a billions strong war fleet; the majority of said fleet being von neumann type machine called (somewhat unoriginality) swarm fleets. Though it should be noted that the Swarm Fleets are something of a last resort. Partly because the Vorlon's have a sense of distrust toward as they see their nature closer to that of the Shadows and partly because the rest of the Elder Races rather heavily frown such devices.

For anyone wondering why the Vorlon's have such large fleet, the main reason is the war against the Thirdspace Aliens. The War wiped out something close to 95% of life in the galaxy at the time and lasted for a fairly long time as well as leaving the Vorlon's raging paraniods. By the time the war ended the Vorlon's had a fairly massive fleet that only grew long over the next half-million years as the Vorlon's tried to exterminate any evidence of the Thirdspace Aliens and their cults. Combined with the Vorlon's following the tradition of the Star League in basically building a ship, before five minute later decommissioning said ship, and placing it into storage for a future conflict, and then having done this over the next several million years and it becomes somewhat more understandable.

There are several other things but the first three points are the biggest. And before anyone accusing pulling this out of my butt or overly exaggerating it's all in Darkness and Light sourcebook.
 

Wakka

Well-Known Member
#29
Babtech on the net gives the upper yields of Vorlon weapons, and defenses. Compared to the oft-cited gigatons of Star Wars vessels, well, it's not pretty. The Vorlons would be target practice. The Shadows too, for that matter.

The rest of the younger races won't even be noticed.
 

AbyssalDaemon

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#30
Wakka said:
Babtech on the net gives the upper yields of Vorlon weapons, and defenses. Compared to the oft-cited gigatons of Star Wars vessels, well, it's not pretty. The Vorlons would be target practice. The Shadows too, for that matter.

The rest of the younger races won't even be noticed.
No offense but almost the entire site is speculation and bad speculation at that, given that there's canonical information from the books, sorcebooks, and even comics heavily contradict the majority of what's written there. The closet they come to being correct is on the Earthforce and even there they have quite a few things wrong and and missing.
 

Mercsenary

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#31
andaandyckas said:
inverted helix said:
drakensis said:
Alright, who sat on the SDF. Because the fattie who did so has squashed it.
That is a Hiigaran Battle cruiser from Homeworld 2. Three-dimensions of play allowing for all sorts of normally impossible tactics for outmaneuvering, and render fixed defenses nearly worthless. Hyperspace jumps used as tactical maneuvers to escape that last lethal volley and make repairs. Unless of course they have brought a hyperspace inhibitor into play... or shot off your hyperdrive (targeting subsystems on capital ships... so beautiful).

Too bad he didn't take the one from Homeworld 2 Complex. Which is certainly the best Homeworld 2 mod about, and amazing. It gives me shivers just thinking of the epic battles you can get going in Complex. Hundreds of missiles crisscrossing space, thousands of projectiles flying every direction, beams slicing apart the heavens themselves with brilliance, and every weapon has its course fully mapped so that it hits whatever is in its path. Ships can dodge fire and it not hit them, no dice rolls, no mysterious always hit weapons, if it is on the right path, it hits. If a shot misses its target it can still potentially hit ships behind it.

The huge amount of firepower that can be exchanged in massive final confrontations between fleets of battlecrusisers and battleships with carrier support and screening elements... it is staggering. Frigates die like gnats as projectiles their own size are hurled between the capital ships, carriers burn and explode in brilliant flashes that blot out the screen as their fusion bottles fail. Battlecrusiers stagger as their thick armor is battered. And then, when the battle seems loss, your enemy realizes it was all a ploy to make him commit, his ships scatter and run for the limit of your remaining hyper inhibitors weapons slashing behind them, as your massive, Capital Ship Sized Nuclear Bomb plows into their fleet, and detonates in a flash visible throughout the entire system.
Whoaaaaaa...... :blink: :blink: :jawdrop:

It sound .... EPIC.

Where can I got it??????
Get Homeworld 2. XD

For all of its faults it was still a great game.

In the vanilla you could have like 3-4 battlecruisers I think. of course if you use a trainer or some such you can have more but still

3-4 battlecruisers, 2 dozen assualt, and ion frigates, literally a beehive of anti-corvette and anti-fighters?

Enemy fleet? What enemy fleet? You mean the debris field to be?\


Edit: Couldnt really find a clean image of the Complex cruiser.
Point Defense System mods is similiar. I played with it once, Holy shit is it awesome.

Oh look a missile salvo. What's this? Point Defense System bitches. Slaps them missiles out of the sky.
 

AbyssalDaemon

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#33
MWkillkenny84 said:
A good idea for a "Waif It" Earth Alliance idea is a Earth with a Command&Conquer: Red Alert timeline background.
The Tiberium timeline probably would be better given that the rampant use time altering technology in Red Alert would keep humanity from ever fighting the Earth/Minbari War simply do to the fact that either the Earth by that point would've been destroyed by time-space collapsing around the planet or reduced to the stone age by the elder races.

Time travel is not only a big no-no in the Babylon 5 'verse but also highly dangerous unless the race using it knows what their doing and is damn careful about it do to the fact that rampant usage of it by the various elder races nearly caused time-space within the galaxy to collapse and required an entire elder race to sacrifice themselves in order to stop it.

The Vorlon's largely got away with it in canon because they had quite a bit of time to get ready to transport Babylon 4 back through time and that the Shadows where the only other elder race who knew what they had done. And it possible that the Shadow's could spill the beans to the rest of the elder races it's doubtful that they'd be believed.

It doesn't help that all the other elder races disliked the Shadows to the point that despite being the cause of the entire war against the Thirdspace Aliens, a war wiped out close to ninety-five percent of all life within the galaxy the Vorlon's where stilled seen as a reasonable alternative as custodians of the galaxy to them. :sweat2:
 

MWkillkenny84

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#34
AbyssalDaemon said:
MWkillkenny84 said:
A good idea for a "Waif It" Earth Alliance idea is a Earth with a Command&Conquer: Red Alert timeline background.
The Tiberium timeline probably would be better given that the rampant use time altering technology in Red Alert would keep humanity from ever fighting the Earth/Minbari War simply do to the fact that either the Earth by that point would've been destroyed by time-space collapsing around the planet or reduced to the stone age by the elder races.

Time travel is not only a big no-no in the Babylon 5 'verse but also highly dangerous unless the race using it knows what their doing and is damn careful about it do to the fact that rampant usage of it by the various elder races nearly caused time-space within the galaxy to collapse and required an entire elder race to sacrifice themselves in order to stop it.

The Vorlon's largely got away with it in canon because they had quite a bit of time to get ready to transport Babylon 4 back through time and that the Shadows where the only other elder race who knew what they had done. And it possible that the Shadow's could spill the beans to the rest of the elder races it's doubtful that they'd be believed.

It doesn't help that all the other elder races disliked the Shadows to the point that despite being the cause of the entire war against the Thirdspace Aliens, a war wiped out close to ninety-five percent of all life within the galaxy the Vorlon's where stilled seen as a reasonable alternative as custodians of the galaxy to them. :sweat2:
Ah.
I don't know that detail of the B5 background.
Another idea?
The B5 Earth is the Negima!Earth.
Does anyone hear Evangeline's laughs in the background?
Umh... what can be the outcome of a Earth/Minbari War in the following options:
-Oh My Goddess Earth
-Macross (in the USA: Robotech) Earth
-Sailor Moon Earth
-Nanoha Earth
-Tenchy Muyo Earth
I'll wait the reply...
 
#35
I want to see a Battlestar Galactica version of the war, with the Cylons added it'll be a three pronged war.
 

Kibbles

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#36
MWkillkenny84 said:
Umh... what can be the outcome of a Earth/Minbari War in the following options:
-Oh My Goddess Earth
Pretty much the same as canon. Higher forces generally don't get directly involved unless other higher forces get directly involved.

Shadows, Vorlons and other First Ones may or may not qualify. If they do, they aren't in for a pleasant day. Personally, I don't think any of the First Ones are remotely dangerous enough to qualify.

Macross (in the USA: Robotech) Earth
Depends on the point of the series, but by 2055 the UN is off colonizing the galaxy several dozen fleets which all centre around world-ships and have appropriate defences.

Earth itself is a fortress world that makes fortress worlds look like an undefended village.

I predict a Macross Missile Massacre taking place. Especially since Earth made first contact with the Centauri a full century later.

Sailor Moon Earth
Never really managed to stand the series, but ... no, just no. Invading Sol is just about the stupidest thing you can do when school-girls pack more firepower than your entire armada.

Nanoha Earth
Same thing as Sailor Moon only less talking and more blowing shit up in suitably epic ways. Then again, there's no kill like overkill.

Tenchy Muyo Earth
IIRC, Earth is a de-facto client state of the Jurai Empire. Not to mention that the leadership of said Empire is rather fond of the dirt-ball.

Mess with Earth, the Jurai Empire comes in. Or, at the least, Ryo-ohki. Either way, it's a massacre and not for Earth forces. Tenchi Muyo is rather up there, as far as capabilities are concerned.

And Heaven help you if Washu is still around because there's nothing else in the multiverse that can.
 

AbyssalDaemon

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#37
MWkillkenny84 said:
Ah.
I don't know that detail of the B5 background.
Another idea?

-Tenchy Muyo Earth
I'll wait the reply...
Understandably. I count the number of times that I've encountered a Babylon 5 site that isn't largely fanon and actually contains any real information about the universe. Unfortunately most of them are long sites in this day and age. :blue:

Oh My Goddess Earth
Can't really see why there would be all that much of a change in this one.

Macross (in the USA: Robotech) Earth
Robotech and Macross are rather continuities. But anyhow it depends; if their somehow crossing dimensions then the Minbari get soundly beat. If taking place in the same dimension with the same Earth; then probably a even fight simply do the fact that Vorlon's would make sure that Minbari would've a good chance of surviving and growing, even if some Vorlon's did rather dislike them.

Sailor Moon Earth
Doubtful their would be a war in this one. But this would go the Sailor Moon universe simply do to the fact that by the end of the series manga Usagi has gone quite past world destroying level of power and that the anime one could sacrifice her life using the Silver Crystal.

Nanoha Earth
This one would go to the Nanoha Earth as long as they had the TSB helping them in war. The Minbari might be able to give them a somewhat bloody nose depending on how long it takes for darwinism to take place and whether or not the Vorlon's are willing to give the Minbari any nudges technologically but that ones fairly unlikely.

Tenchy Muyo Earth
Which Tenchi Earth? :p

But anyhow there's doubtful to be any war with Minbari involved in reality that Juri happen to exists in. It's fairly close to what the Vorlon's where originally after so they wouldn't have any real reason to get involved with and advance the the proto-Minbari. Something that ironically would keep the Vorlon race from ever becoming the jackasses that they where in canon.
 

AbyssalDaemon

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#38
Kibbles said:
Shadows, Vorlons and other First Ones may or may not qualify. If they do, they aren't in for a pleasant day. Personally, I don't think any of the First Ones are remotely dangerous enough to qualify.
They'd probably fall somewhere around the same tier as Morgan La Fey with some above and some below. While the individual First One (at least most of them) might not be the most impressive when it comes to raw power; quite a bit of their tech more then makes up for it, they just largely prefer when dealing with the younger races not to cause to many ripples.

At least ripples that can be easily traced back too them.
 

SotF

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#39
One that could be amusing would be the Farscape universe, however, when the location of Earth was found everyone else deemed it to dangerous considering what just one 'Erpman could pull off, no need unleash the rest of them.

The Minbari run headlong into a blockade of just about every other race there is saying to stay the hell away from that planet.
 

MWkillkenny84

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#40
AbyssalDaemon said:
Understandably. I count the number of times that I've encountered a Babylon 5 site that isn't largely fanon and actually contains any real information about the universe. Unfortunately most of them are long sites in this day and age. :blue:
Thanks for the understanding and the replies guys.

In my mind has emerged an I-don't-know-if-it's-worse idea.
The Earth Alliance attacked by the Minbari is:
1) The Lost Universe!Earth.
2) The Sergeant Frog/Keroro Gunso!Earth.
3) And the Mobile Battleship Nadesico!Earth.
In the first case... no, the war doesn't exist: LU!Tecnology can deal with the Lost Ships, aka Weapons of Light in spaceship forms aka HIGH LEVEL DEMONS, and the Lagdo Mezeghis ALONE can break words apart with her Gravity Gun...
In the second case, in how many seconds the Keronians arrive to call in under the Minbari, or better, how long it will take for the Vorlon AND the Shadows to order them to stop before Angol Mois decides to grind them and their planets into spacedust?
In the third case... Minbari against gravity-based techology with istant teleports and war use of whormholes? They don't have a chances...
 

Oni_kawaii

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#41
Another group of first ones gets in on the game.

The Vorlons have the Minbari
The Shadows have the Drakh
The ??? are now backing Earth
welcome the a three sided chess game.

Since the ??? wish to keep to the background for the moment the assitance they give earth is minimal.

Sensors that can lock onto a gravimetric drive through Minbari jamming [not the ship just the engine]
That alone will give the humans a fighting chance.
 

SotF

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#42
Oni_kawaii said:
Another group of first ones gets in on the game.

The Vorlons have the Minbari
The Shadows have the Drakh
The ??? are now backing Earth
welcome the a three sided chess game.

Since the ??? wish to keep to the background for the moment the assitance they give earth is minimal.

Sensors that can lock onto a gravimetric drive through Minbari jamming [not the ship just the engine]
That alone will give the humans a fighting chance.
That could make things fun with a more open and yet secretive group tied to Earth (Open to their charges, secret to everyone else).

Perhaps they could have taken the question How and ran with it much like the Shadows What, the Vorlons Who, and Lorien's Why...
 
#43
Kibbles said:
Tenchy Muyo Earth
IIRC, Earth is a de-facto client state of the Jurai Empire. Not to mention that the leadership of said Empire is rather fond of the dirt-ball.

Mess with Earth, the Jurai Empire comes in. Or, at the least, Ryo-ohki. Either way, it's a massacre and not for Earth forces. Tenchi Muyo is rather up there, as far as capabilities are concerned.

And Heaven help you if Washu is still around because there's nothing else in the multiverse that can.
I'd bet one of the battle ships of the GXP would take on anything with the 'possible' exception of a First One battle ship. A royal tree ship would take on 'anything' even one of the Third Space alien ships.

Heck, the royal tree ships could probably take on fleets of anything the B5 universe could throw at them.
 

Oni_kawaii

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#44
Well I have been going over plot ideas but I can't write worth a damn.
 

bissek

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#45
A Thin Veneer

The Mimbari chase a refugee ship through a wormhole into Federation space during the meeting between Kirk and Chancellor Gorkon, and manage to piss off both the Federation and the Klingon Empire simultaneously.
 

Oni_kawaii

Well-Known Member
#46
Kirk with Klingons on his side and not trying to kill him?!
Wow the Minbari are royally screwed
 

Watashiwa

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Staff member
#48
Y'know, I've been thinking for a while about a sci-fi super crossover. Start with Farscape--John Crichton is blasted to the Outer Rim, has his adventures, returns to Earth, leaves again and seals the wormhole behind him.

Some sixty years later the Phoenix brings Vulcans to Earth, and the world starts heading down the Star Trek path.

Some time into the timeline, maybe after Enterprise but before TNG, the Minbari make contact with Earth. Cue Earth-Minbari war and the events leading up to Babylon 5.

Maybe have Stargate going on behind the scenes and the good Doctor dancing in and out as he sees fit.

Does it make sense? Like hell. Too much contradictory material/histories, but I think it could be awesome.




As for random awesome things I'd do to the continuum, I'd have Earth meet the Minbari--who desperately ask Earth to ally with them, against the Ur-Quan. :evil2:

For those of you who lack the appropriate background:


This is an Ur-Quan. They plan to enslave every sentient in the universe. Given how strong their empire is, chances are good that they could do it.

Of course, the alternative would be even WORSE...
 

Aarik

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#49
A wild Nono appears!

Minbari used Human Massacre.

Nono was Enraged.

Nono used Phalanx.

It's Super Effective!

Minbari used Jamming.

It's not effective...

Nono used Buster Beam Slash.

It's Super Effective!

Minbari used Beam Spam.

Nono's Black Hole Emitter's nullified the attack.

Nono used Summon Buster Legion.

Minbari is Confused.

Minbari is Confused It hurt itself in it's Confusion.

Nono used Buster Legion Swarm.

It's Super Effective!

Minbari used nuke spam.

Nono's Inertial Canceler nullified the attack.

Nono used Super Inazuma Kick.

It's Super Effective!
 

ecs05norway

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#50
Wakka said:
Babtech on the net gives the upper yields of Vorlon weapons, and defenses. Compared to the oft-cited gigatons of Star Wars vessels, well, it's not pretty. The Vorlons would be target practice. The Shadows too, for that matter.

The rest of the younger races won't even be noticed.
Given that the "oft-cited gigatons" of SW weaponry is wanktastic bullshit, I fail to see any problem with simply ignoring such wankery and going with what fits the story.
 
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