Fire Emblem Awakening

Watashiwa

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#76
I ship them on the fact that male and female Morgan's official art have Chrom and Lucina's hair. The actual male!Robin/Lucina are pretty lackluster, sadly. Too many hoops to jump through before the romance, I guess, but Lucina trying to guard against all of her father's friends should have come up more, and her liking flowers should have been in her B support, at least.

EDIT: And yeah, beat the game yesterday and saw multiple S's on my Avatar's support book page.
 

Megaolix

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#77
Incidentally, I found a fic that deals with one of the most obvious problem in the endings.

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9040435/1/The-Children-are-All-Right' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The Children are All Right</a> by OnceMoreAndAgain
MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR Fire Emblem: AWAKENING. Do NOT read if you have not completed the game. I warned you. Families are universally weird. Bonds are always complicated. But theirs are a little weirder and far more complicated than most.

At any rate, works for me to stop thinking about it. Even if it can look damn weird to anyone looking and not knowing the truth.

And I myself pity the fact that Morgan never brings out any extra dialogue despite the heritage he/she gets.
 

Watashiwa

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#78
You know, a lot of the second genners normal supports with the Avatar are pretty good; a few of them are even better than that of their parents. Cynthia's and Kjelle's in particular were good. Nah's wasn't bad, either.
 

Megaolix

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#79
Watashiwa said:
You know, a lot of the second genners normal supports with the Avatar are pretty good; a few of them are even better than that of their parents. Cynthia's and Kjelle's in particular were good. Nah's wasn't bad, either.
I'm not saying that the supports are bad but... You know, time thing. Feels weird to me.

If anything, supports with Nah shows just how bad things were when even cooking seems to have been forgotten. Drive the point home that the bad future was so doomed that there wasn't any place left to raise livestock (if any even survived) or grow crops.
 

Watashiwa

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#80
Yeah, the bad future is unimaginably bad, and they've all lived longer in the bad years than the normal ones. Except Laurent. Time travel sucks when you fall further back than your peers.

It's pretty remarkable how together most of the kids are. Nah is probably the one most visibly affected by it, since Manaketes SHOULD age slower than most people. What gets me is how Cynthia and Owain managed to survive for so long...
 

Ordo

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#81
<a href='http://kotaku.com/5981884/in-fire-emblem-marriage-can-be-a-fate-worse-than-death' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Kotaku Marriage is a fate worse than death.</a>
Oddly enough, considering that Nowi turns into a Dragon, the first thought that came to my mind while reading this article was "You Pussy".

She can turn into a DRAGON, let someone say something, I dare them. You can watch their ignorant corpse snap and crackle in the fires of your Wife's wrath as she roast them to a golden brown.
 

Watashiwa

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#82
Hahaha what. Supports are optional, and of course since everyone can have one single S support with someone of the opposite gender, of course it's marriage. Good lord this man be trolling.

<s>Besides, the more a manakete uses their dragonstone the faster they age. Why do you think Nah looks her mother's age when she's a thousandth of her age?</s>
 

Megaolix

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#83
Dammit. I just checked dates and so far, DLC releases seems to happen at the order as in Japan. And Future of Despair was amongst the lasts to be released, meaning I'm going to have to wait a while for it.
 

Watashiwa

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#84
Yeah. I actually kind of hope that they release more DLC in Japan, I'd be interested in more alternate future battles. Maybe a mirror match against your party member's future Dreadlord selves?

Also I'd like a $30 "Get all DLC" option, this nickel and diming and grating.

EDIT: Fun comic!



EDIT2: Spotpass DLC is up. Paralogue 19 is Irreconcilable Path.
 

Solaris

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#85


You know, this should be wrong but I just find it really really amusing and adorable.
 

Megaolix

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#86
Solaris said:
You know, this should be wrong but I just find it really really amusing and adorable.
Worry not. This is as amusing as it looks.
 

Voivod

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#87
Happy Birthday Tiki. I know your mother is a pseudo-god dragon, but the whole point of your Birthday is to give YOU gifts, not the other way around, especially not if that gift is a tear.

... But Thanks though
 

Megaolix

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#88
Just wondering, do we have any information on 'when' in the 2nd gen Chrom and co died? I very much doubt Lucina was still a baby when that happened. And a good number of years had to have passed for everyone else to be born.

The mess with Gangrel would have used a lot of time by itself I suppose, since the assassination was successful, meaning no mass surrender from the other side.
 

Watashiwa

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#89
The war with Plegia lasted a lot longer, since Chrom was injured when Emmeryn was assassinated. Jury's out as to whether it was done by the time Valm invaded, but that conflict was a lot messier too. All in all, I'd say Lucina was 10 at the oldest when Chrom died, but probably younger.
 

Megaolix

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#90
Watashiwa said:
The war with Plegia lasted a lot longer, since Chrom was injured when Emmeryn was assassinated. Jury's out as to whether it was done by the time Valm invaded, but that conflict was a lot messier too. All in all, I'd say Lucina was 10 at the oldest when Chrom died, but probably younger.
Mmm... 10 sounds about right, maybe a bit older depending on how fast things degeneraetd after Chrom's death. Owain's father does die protecting his son in battle, so Owain had to have been old enough to fight in battles for that to happen. And as Lucina saif herself, her father was the one who taught her how to fight.

At the very least, it seems pretty clear that Chrom's death wasn't the first death of the group, considering Nah's parents died when she was very young. And Gerome wasn't that old either when he lost his parents. Maybe 6?
 

Watashiwa

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#91
I figure that most everyone from the Shepherds was with Chrom when the Grim Avatar awoke, and that the discrepancies in the backstories are due to differences in the children's birth years, how far back they time traveled, and how fast they developed. So let's say that Lucina is two years older than Gerome, and that Owain's "father" wasn't his actual father, since the Avatar can be his father.

Manaketes just age more slowly than other people, Nah being seven when her parents died just might have meant that she was relatively younger. Apparently manaketes age faster when they use their dragonstone, but that's just something I read...

EDIT: I figure that the collapse of civilization took several years, since Grima didn't attack Ylisse in dragon form until Lucina was a young woman. Chrom didn't have the complete Fire Emblem/Shield of Seals in the primeline, so there was no dark awakening, thus the full rise of Grima was greatly delayed from what we play. What probably happened is that more and more Risen showed up as Grima waxed, and then exploded in number once the regeneration of its body was complete.
 

Megaolix

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#92
Watashiwa said:
Manaketes just age more slowly than other people, Nah being seven when her parents died just might have meant that she was relatively younger. Apparently manaketes age faster when they use their dragonstone, but that's just something I read...
Where did you read that anyway? All I got from the Nax/Nowi support is that it's taxing for someone young to use it. Unless you read that on another game or elsewhere?
 

Watashiwa

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#93
Megaolix said:
Where did you read that anyway? All I got from the Nax/Nowi support is that it's taxing for someone young to use it. Unless you read that on another game or elsewhere?
I *think* it was in the first two Fire Emblem games. Tiki's a child in the first game, despite being a thousand years old. In the second she's fully grown, or near to it.

EDIT: And sorry, I meant I read it elsewhere. Don't think it comes up in Awakening, either way.
 

Vascudo

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#94
I wanted this game so hard, that I ordered the US limited edition bundle on ebay.

MY BODY IS READY.

But the wait is AGONIZING.
 

Comartemis

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#96
So who are the best pairings as far as inherited skills and classes go? I think I've figured Lucina out (Olivia gives her the myrmidon and swordmaster class skills) and Cordelia and Sumia can pass down Galestorm to their kids but what about the rest?
 

sigfried27

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#97
Since everyone has the option of changing to different classes, and only one skill is inherited from each parent, the pairings aren't that big of an issue. Nearly every parent can pick up at least one useful skill to pass on to a child, so it's just a matter of personal preference which skill of theirs you want to pass on to their children. Like for example, a fighter based child can still turn out well with a healer as the mother, since the Renewal skill that healers learn can help out anybody. Pretty much any parent combination can turn out a fairly powerful child if you just spend some time getting them leveled up a bit.

However, for almost any child, Donnel tends to be a pretty good choice for a father, so if you just want one child in particular to turn out fairly strong, then he usually makes a good choice for the father.
 

Muramasa

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#98
Lucina doesn't really need swordmaster. She doesn't need Astra. Aether is better. Vantage's usefulness is circumstantial. The one skill you miss out on that Lucina can use is Swordfaire which will easily be replaced when the limitbreaker dlc comes out. Until then, All Stats +2 is arguably just as good.

Chrom x Olivia is however an excellent choice for Inigo.




Recomendations:

Sumia: Chrom or Gaius

Chrom/Sumia will give Lucina access to Renewal, Pavise and Aegis. Makes Lucina a surprisingly effective tank. Cynthia will suffer a bit though.

Gaius will give Cyntia the sword master and assassin class which she can utilize, plus most of the defensive skills Sumia has access to.


Cordelia: Stahl or Lon'qu

Severa doesn't need much since her mother is already a boss. You just need someone to pass on myrmidon and she's set. Stahl has better physical mods while Lon'qu will make Severa's speed and skill skyrocket.


Sully: Donnel or Gaius

Sully doesn't pass on the pegasus knight class so you need a male character that does. Donnel gives Kjelle Mercenary and Pegasus Knight. Two great reclass options at the cost of some relatively poor stat mods. Gaius gives better mods but can only offer pegasus knight as the one note worthy reclass option.

Olivia: Chrom (but generally does well with anyone)

Olivia is rare in that she passes on all the important classes and galeforce all on her own. Chrom allows Inigo to inherit 'Rightful King' which can boost Armsthrift past the 50 Luck requirement for infinite legendary/forged weapon use and Astra/Lethality's proc rate. If you're not going for Chrom then you'll want someone who passes on good stat mods. Gregor, Stahl or Vaike are all good candidates.

Lissa: Henry, Libra

Owains mods make a good physical build difficult so it may be better to boost his superior magic mods. Both Henry and Libra allow access to the Dark Mage branch and thus the best mage class in the game. You'll want Lissa to pass on Galeforce.

Miriel: <s>Lissa's leftovers</s> err... I mean any Mage oriented character works. Lon'qu also isn't a bad choice if you want to give Laurent access to Vantage, Astra and Lethality. Though on the most part, there isn't much you can do to prevent Laurent from being a carbon copy of his mother.

Tharja: Donnel, Gaius, Ricken or Lon'qu

Like Sully, Tharja doesn't pass on the Pegasus Knight class. Besides the avatar, Donnel or Gaius is the only possible remedy to that problem. Ricken does't pass on Pegasus Knight but he does allow Noire to be a proper mage and learn Tomefaire. Also has the best magic mods among male characters.

Maribelle: Libra, Ricken. Possibly Donnel.

Brady's terrible physical mods make him nearly unsuited for anyone but a mage character to be his father. However a surprisingly high luck stat makes Donnel a strange but viable candidate for Armsthrift exploitation.


Cherche: Gregor or Vaike

Excellent physical mods regardless. Gregor gives access to myrmidon and mercenary. Vaike has slightly better mods but a worse reclass selection. Both are great fathers.


Panne: Any physical oriented character.

They're all viable.


Nowi: Donnel, Gaius, Kellam or Vaike

Depending on what you're looking for. Donnel and Gaius will pass on Pegasus Knight and Gale Force. Kellam makes Nah potentially the best tank in the game. Vaike has great physical mods and can pass on counter and the mercenary class for females.
 

Watashiwa

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#99
Holy shit you're good!

Also, siegfried: Donnel is a less optimal choice than he seems because his stat CAPS are lower than most. He'll cap faster but wind up with lower total stats than other units, as will his children.
 
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