also, FRs Shirou and i assume MoZ Shirou is a 'sucessful' slider, as he went from the Anime Timeline of F/SN to a weirdly warped version of the VN, then made a contract with Alaya/Gaia/Entity and gained the Sword and Sheath of 'Salvation', and now the little guy can goe toe to toe with EMIYA, Gilgamesh and WTFPWN True Assasin after it ambushed him just after he finished fighting because he is THAT GOOD...
Nasuverse [FSN] Recommended fanfiction?
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Meh... currently 18 chapters in on 'Fate Revenant Sword'.
Do not really see the issue myself... This author may write the worst Naruto out there (the other fandom the bulk of his stories are in), I would not know since I do not read Naruto.
But for this story overall it does not seem a bad read at all, decently done, reasonably well written.
I will admit there *are* some things I disagree with how he portrayed them, but I've read far worse.
I've run into this scenario before though when it comes to Type Moon universe based stories, I've liked stories done in it the fandom as a whole has not, and vs. versus. It is one of a few fandom sections on this forum I tend to not bother going to all that often because of differing views.
In the end, it is simple... to each their own...
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Do not really see the issue myself... This author may write the worst Naruto out there (the other fandom the bulk of his stories are in), I would not know since I do not read Naruto.
But for this story overall it does not seem a bad read at all, decently done, reasonably well written.
I will admit there *are* some things I disagree with how he portrayed them, but I've read far worse.
I've run into this scenario before though when it comes to Type Moon universe based stories, I've liked stories done in it the fandom as a whole has not, and vs. versus. It is one of a few fandom sections on this forum I tend to not bother going to all that often because of differing views.
In the end, it is simple... to each their own...
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it's not Rageable or hateable or even loatheable, i just found it very boring uninteresting and the Contract with Entity and the giving of the Hax Weapon broke the interest for me AKA made the story flat and uninteresting, especially considering his fight with Gilgamesh and True Assassin.
i think it's a case of Interesting Premise, reasonably written but missed all the points we tought it would touch and left it flat an uninteresting, sort of like reading a more uninteresting anime-based version of Heaven's Feel after having played an amped up version of Fate and UBW.
i think it's a case of Interesting Premise, reasonably written but missed all the points we tought it would touch and left it flat an uninteresting, sort of like reading a more uninteresting anime-based version of Heaven's Feel after having played an amped up version of Fate and UBW.
My opinion...
Having read both, 'Miracle of Zero' is *NOT* plagiarism of 'Hill of Swords' in the sense of word for word copying from that story... several of the same scenes occur, but all the exact events and wording are different from 'Hill of Swords'.
What is occurring is little different from saying such of an author doing a different retelling of opening events of say Love Hina or Ranma... We *know* Ranma with variances due to story plot that Ranma is going to get a table on the head, or walk in on Akane after she walked in on him... or that Naru is going to be a pervert and attempt to grab Keitaro and then scream about a peeping Toms and get chased off.
In this case, Shiro gets summoned, he has to puzzle things out, he gets the runes, he gets told off for being difficult, is accused of being a commoner, meets Siesta, duals Guiche and defeats him. *HOW* all that happens is differently told from H of S, but considering almost all of that sequence is in canon... It has to vary considering his being different from Saito. It simply has not really gone far enough to diverge overly much from canon events or H of S yet in regards to sequences. Louise now believes what she has been told, and immediately asked for training as the last line in the prologue... considering that, plus that this Shiro is some 67 years old... the 2nd chapter will determine how close it really is to H of S.
While I've read 'Fate Revenant Sword', I've not read what it is supposedly based off of, so could not say anything other than I've never read anything like it anywhere else.
Could not say on any of his other stuff... never read any of it. Considering it is Naruto, I've 0 interest in touching any of it...
Having read both, 'Miracle of Zero' is *NOT* plagiarism of 'Hill of Swords' in the sense of word for word copying from that story... several of the same scenes occur, but all the exact events and wording are different from 'Hill of Swords'.
What is occurring is little different from saying such of an author doing a different retelling of opening events of say Love Hina or Ranma... We *know* Ranma with variances due to story plot that Ranma is going to get a table on the head, or walk in on Akane after she walked in on him... or that Naru is going to be a pervert and attempt to grab Keitaro and then scream about a peeping Toms and get chased off.
In this case, Shiro gets summoned, he has to puzzle things out, he gets the runes, he gets told off for being difficult, is accused of being a commoner, meets Siesta, duals Guiche and defeats him. *HOW* all that happens is differently told from H of S, but considering almost all of that sequence is in canon... It has to vary considering his being different from Saito. It simply has not really gone far enough to diverge overly much from canon events or H of S yet in regards to sequences. Louise now believes what she has been told, and immediately asked for training as the last line in the prologue... considering that, plus that this Shiro is some 67 years old... the 2nd chapter will determine how close it really is to H of S.
While I've read 'Fate Revenant Sword', I've not read what it is supposedly based off of, so could not say anything other than I've never read anything like it anywhere else.
Could not say on any of his other stuff... never read any of it. Considering it is Naruto, I've 0 interest in touching any of it...
People on a fanfiction forum complaining about a writer stealing another writers ideas... :mellow:
Face it. Fanfiction is, by its very nature, derivative. Just because the work is derivative twice over, does not, in and of itself, constitute "badness".
And as far as I can tell, there has been no outright plagiarism involved.
Face it. Fanfiction is, by its very nature, derivative. Just because the work is derivative twice over, does not, in and of itself, constitute "badness".
And as far as I can tell, there has been no outright plagiarism involved.
in his Fate stories? maybe, dunno, i just disliked his Revenant Shirou enought to ignore the author, especially with the Contract and Weapons asspull.
but the guy DID plagiastardize (plagiarize and bastardize) Naruto fics, but that's another thing (wich i had already forgotten by the time i became interested in Revenant blade/sword, then the asspull came and he suddenly went Chuck Norris on EMIY, Gil and Turned an ambush by True Assassin against it (after Shirou had just WTFPWND EMIYA or GIl i don't remember clearly), as easy as pie... i called bullshit on that and subsequently ignored it.
it's Inherently bad or horrendously written? no.
is it OMG GOOD? also no.
what it IS is a YMMV fic, not good or bad enough to be really praised or loathed, but sufficiently 'average' to be uninteresting.
and no it's about someone Stealing Fics as in complete scenes, plots and dialogues, recoloring them a bit (changing names and places) and then claiming that everything is a product of their own creativity.
heck FF writters do disclaimers (because everyone knows that they are just playing on someone else's sandbox) and when using someone else's plot, character, idea they also thank or at least give the name of their inspirator AND gave it their own spin.
and now that i remember the incident it was his Hitsugaya/Naruto Fic wich was just a recolored version of Fosfor's, it may have changed the contents or it may have diverged from the path of Crimson Blade, but at that point it was just a recolor and it had a chapter or AN especially dedicated to him (namecalling and the like).}
also he tends to fanwank his characters a bit too much, a bit too sudden and a bit too stupidly, sometimes.
it's a Meh author and he 'publishes' meh stories of the YMMV persuation.
but the guy DID plagiastardize (plagiarize and bastardize) Naruto fics, but that's another thing (wich i had already forgotten by the time i became interested in Revenant blade/sword, then the asspull came and he suddenly went Chuck Norris on EMIY, Gil and Turned an ambush by True Assassin against it (after Shirou had just WTFPWND EMIYA or GIl i don't remember clearly), as easy as pie... i called bullshit on that and subsequently ignored it.
it's Inherently bad or horrendously written? no.
is it OMG GOOD? also no.
what it IS is a YMMV fic, not good or bad enough to be really praised or loathed, but sufficiently 'average' to be uninteresting.
and no it's about someone Stealing Fics as in complete scenes, plots and dialogues, recoloring them a bit (changing names and places) and then claiming that everything is a product of their own creativity.
heck FF writters do disclaimers (because everyone knows that they are just playing on someone else's sandbox) and when using someone else's plot, character, idea they also thank or at least give the name of their inspirator AND gave it their own spin.
and now that i remember the incident it was his Hitsugaya/Naruto Fic wich was just a recolored version of Fosfor's, it may have changed the contents or it may have diverged from the path of Crimson Blade, but at that point it was just a recolor and it had a chapter or AN especially dedicated to him (namecalling and the like).}
also he tends to fanwank his characters a bit too much, a bit too sudden and a bit too stupidly, sometimes.
it's a Meh author and he 'publishes' meh stories of the YMMV persuation.
It is not stealing ideas. It is outright copy and paste with minor modifications.
In Miracle:
It outright plagiarizes the scene where he defeats Guiche from the fic Alexandriad: The Song of Fire in spirit and structure and is only modified a bit to even disguise this.
You can also note some highly derivative stuff that he stole off of the FoZ cross thread on Spacebattles. I can't remember who wrote it but the night scene is straight from there with small changes.
There are a few more examples that he directly copied off of one of GB's threads on the fanfiction.net forums when GB was bouncing ideas and comments (including alternative scene snips written by some of his fans) from other people in there as well. Although, in this it is less of a copy paste because those weren't too developed.
You guys may not notice at all if you haven't read that stuff before but I can confidently say that it is NOT just taking ideas and re-spinning in his own tone.
I have no issue in him being inspired by Hills of Swords, lots of people have been, but he straight out took some scenes word for word from there too. It isn't super obvious as the other stuff, and he pretty much even admits it in his AN, but he does do it.
Edit: Like the copies that Shirou actualizes, all these scenes that were taken are all one rank down and inferior to the original. He gets no benefit of the doubt because HE HAS A TRACK RECORD OF DOING THIS.
Now I haven't read Fate Revenant Sword in depth because there are a bunch of things that annoyed me about it and it was boring as hell and that he completely missed the point of Shirou's character by giving him a weapon that he calls his own... BUT that fic always smelled funny to me too. I just could never place it and figure out why.
In Miracle:
It outright plagiarizes the scene where he defeats Guiche from the fic Alexandriad: The Song of Fire in spirit and structure and is only modified a bit to even disguise this.
You can also note some highly derivative stuff that he stole off of the FoZ cross thread on Spacebattles. I can't remember who wrote it but the night scene is straight from there with small changes.
There are a few more examples that he directly copied off of one of GB's threads on the fanfiction.net forums when GB was bouncing ideas and comments (including alternative scene snips written by some of his fans) from other people in there as well. Although, in this it is less of a copy paste because those weren't too developed.
You guys may not notice at all if you haven't read that stuff before but I can confidently say that it is NOT just taking ideas and re-spinning in his own tone.
I have no issue in him being inspired by Hills of Swords, lots of people have been, but he straight out took some scenes word for word from there too. It isn't super obvious as the other stuff, and he pretty much even admits it in his AN, but he does do it.
Edit: Like the copies that Shirou actualizes, all these scenes that were taken are all one rank down and inferior to the original. He gets no benefit of the doubt because HE HAS A TRACK RECORD OF DOING THIS.
Now I haven't read Fate Revenant Sword in depth because there are a bunch of things that annoyed me about it and it was boring as hell and that he completely missed the point of Shirou's character by giving him a weapon that he calls his own... BUT that fic always smelled funny to me too. I just could never place it and figure out why.
Having literally just read both of those scenes, I can say with confidence the only similarity between those fights is the end where Guiche has a mark left so he will, "remember". Well within the boundaries of acceptable inspiration as the tone, theme and emotions behind that action were totally different across the two fics.
I can't quite answer the rest of your argument, as I keep away from GB's forum, and never bothered with the FoZ thread on SB. I'm not saying that I think it's a great fic, or even a particularly good one. But I've yet to see anything substantial behind these claims that he's a constant plagiarizer.
Extremely derivative, yes. Perhaps even pushing at the boundaries of good taste. But it's not a case of the guy being incapable of conceiving his own ideas.
I can't quite answer the rest of your argument, as I keep away from GB's forum, and never bothered with the FoZ thread on SB. I'm not saying that I think it's a great fic, or even a particularly good one. But I've yet to see anything substantial behind these claims that he's a constant plagiarizer.
Extremely derivative, yes. Perhaps even pushing at the boundaries of good taste. But it's not a case of the guy being incapable of conceiving his own ideas.
How can I put it? It was like a really enthusiastic high school garage band. Even if the rhythm is wrong, even if the instruments are out of tune, even if their technical skills are bad, even if the lyrics are dumb, you can still tell that they're having a blast totally rocking out.
It was bad, but it made me smile because it was sincerely trying to be cool.
It was bad, but it made me smile because it was sincerely trying to be cool.
Heh, this remind me of the first time I read the manga chapter where Bazette clean everyones clock. When she started to slowly advance on the prone Kuro, my very first though was "Now would be the ULTIMATE PERFECT moment for Cadalbog 2 to come flying out of nowhere, throw up a massive cloud of dust and have Shirou pull off a badass walk while asking Bazette what she think she is about to do very carefully". I am very sad that I have yet to find a fic where this happen.