Nasuverse [FSN] Recommended fanfiction?
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Kibbles said:
Archer is worse because he's a coward, unwilling to live with his choices and looking for a way out. It's pathetic.
Deathwings said:
Kibbles said:
Archer is worse because he's a coward, unwilling to live with his choices and looking for a way out. It's pathetic.
EMIYA starts to become a little bit more Sane after he remembers the reasons for why he founght in UBW and when he found Shirou's changed mentality in HF.
the problem is Transplanting EMIYA's Cynic and assholishly crazy suicidal (as in wanting to off himself, well a 'younger' version of himself at least) personality into 'young' Shiro out of the blue or without enough created background or reasons for him to adopt that shift in personality and/or beliefs.
IIRC there were some good Snippets about Shirou becoming EMIYA (or EMIYA-like) that really involved Character Developement instead of Character Derailment.
shioran toushin said:
Deathwings said:
Kibbles said:
Archer is worse because he's a coward, unwilling to live with his choices and looking for a way out. It's pathetic.
EMIYA starts to become a little bit more Sane after he remembers the reasons for why he fought in UBW and when he found Shirou's changed mentality in HF.
Kibbles said:
Archer is worse because he's a coward, unwilling to live with his choices and looking for a way out. It's pathetic.
Archer fully accepted his choices and died without regrets. He just thought that contracting with the "Will of Humanity" would not entail an afterlife that was 100% indescriminately slaughtering humans.
EMIYA did not become Archer when he died, he became that way after subjective centuries of being, functionally, a nuclear bomb.
If being a Counter Guardian meant punching out Primate Murder every time it tried to kill people or shooting swords at Roa every time he tried to devour a village, then EMIYA would have loved the shit out of being a Counter Guardian for Alaya. But instead Nasu had the "Will of Humanity" use him to just kill everyone inside the radius of Events, so he did't just fight Roa, he also slaughtered the whole village just to be safe or something.
So he decided to break the contract by contradicting himself out of existence, which might count as suicide... except he was already dead. Because he was sick of just being a murder engine.
Well, unless he gets distracted by saving someone like Rin or Saber (Fate), or getting in Medea or Gil's way (UBW), or running interference on Dark Sakura (HF).
So basically he's trying to get out of a contract that was much different then he thought it was... unless his ideal of saving people becomes relevant, in which case he immediately prioritizes that.
EMIYA is so goal-oriented it's nuts.
Of course. Thing is, however, he gave his word when he made a contract with Alaya. Sure, he might not have known all the details, but even if he had, he'd probably have made the deal anyway. After all, he did it to save some more people at the end and Alaya would've sent a CG to all the situatations it'd have sent EMIYA to, so might as well keep whichever CG would've been sent and do it instead. This is just guesswork, but, ultimately, irrelevant for the arguement.
Except EMIYA, like the bitch he is, has second thoughts about his promise and now wants to back out.
TBH, it's mostly a subjective thing. I don't like EMIYA for precisely those reasons. I'm from a very old-fashioned family, a man's word is his bond, no matter what. Backing out of a promise made is, well, not unthinkable, but simply not done. And if you give your word wrongly, well, then, shoulder the consequences and carry on.
Except EMIYA, like the bitch he is, has second thoughts about his promise and now wants to back out.
TBH, it's mostly a subjective thing. I don't like EMIYA for precisely those reasons. I'm from a very old-fashioned family, a man's word is his bond, no matter what. Backing out of a promise made is, well, not unthinkable, but simply not done. And if you give your word wrongly, well, then, shoulder the consequences and carry on.
... true, but i think that wanting to get out of being an omnicidal tool because that was not especified in the contract is also valid.
OTOH hearing that makes me think that you would, at least mildly dislike Arthuria because basically She is EMIYA without the crazy suicde (paradoxing himself out of Alaya) plan and the +years killing tons of humans who mostly were either innocents or bystanders.
OTOH hearing that makes me think that you would, at least mildly dislike Arthuria because basically She is EMIYA without the crazy suicde (paradoxing himself out of Alaya) plan and the +years killing tons of humans who mostly were either innocents or bystanders.
Pretty much, Arturia gets painted with the same brush as EMIYA. Unwilling and unable to deal with the consequences of their actions. Though, to her credit, Arturia does give up on her plan and accept that what's done is done. A tragic end, to be sure, but the proper one.
As I said, not a very viable or fair stance. I've been told to never, ever, ever to try and become a judge, despite studying law because my standards of reasonable behaviour are so strict, everyone would be in jail by the time I was done. I'd be the second coming of Drakon.
As I said, not a very viable or fair stance. I've been told to never, ever, ever to try and become a judge, despite studying law because my standards of reasonable behaviour are so strict, everyone would be in jail by the time I was done. I'd be the second coming of Drakon.
Irrelevant, an promise, once given, cannot be taken back. Should've been more careful what you were agreeing to. Even if the other side was outright lying (which it wasn't, in this case, it just didn't give all the information), an oath is an oath. Shoul've been more careful who you were making a deal with.
You always had the option of not making a bargain. Sure, you'd have died. But someone makes you live with the consequences of your actions, however well-meaning or misinformed, and there's no end of bitching.
Really, though ... I know this section can get a bit slow, but is this really the subject we should be discussing? Hasn't anything interesting updated or shown up on the internet lately?
You always had the option of not making a bargain. Sure, you'd have died. But someone makes you live with the consequences of your actions, however well-meaning or misinformed, and there's no end of bitching.
Really, though ... I know this section can get a bit slow, but is this really the subject we should be discussing? Hasn't anything interesting updated or shown up on the internet lately?
actually... in Arthuria's case, how would that have worked? because seriously, a Servant can make their wish to the grail or they are just fancy batteries to power it up?
OTOH EMIYA managed to somewhat 'redeem' himself at the very end of UBW and partly redemption in HF.
arthuria just regretted and went back on everything.
curiously Arthuria wanted to 'not exist' because of regrets but EMIYA wanted an out of a Job that broke him.
but no, this section is slow and AFAIK there is nothing worthwhile lately in the internet
OTOH EMIYA managed to somewhat 'redeem' himself at the very end of UBW and partly redemption in HF.
arthuria just regretted and went back on everything.
curiously Arthuria wanted to 'not exist' because of regrets but EMIYA wanted an out of a Job that broke him.
but no, this section is slow and AFAIK there is nothing worthwhile lately in the internet