Nasuverse [FSN] Recommended fanfiction?
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That's the issue that crops up so often. People do a fic and then stick strongly to the canon storyline, regardless of the changes that could and should be inflicted.
Hm... a more interesting crossover between the two of them could be Shiro as a wandering swordsman. Maybe he's a bit down on his luck and takes a job for some rich guy who happened to be humiliated by Ryozanpaku.
A Shiro vs. Shigure match could be interesting, and depending on who wins.
I don't see either of them going all out in their first match. Shiro wants to conceal magecraft, and Shigure probably views him as just another chump to crush. A sudden end to the match could prevent either of them from having a chance to cut loose, giving us potential to see future fights between them.
Shigure Wins: Shiro might want to stick around a bit to hone his skills. Maybe he shares some of his experiences with Kenichi, about how hard he had to work to overcome his own deficiencies.
Another option is that one of the ways he pays rent for staying is by making and selling swords. He has all the information he needs to make weapons far beyond anything world is used to seeing, though his physical skill at that could vary widely, especially as they grow more powerful or esoteric.
That could provide an interesting interaction between him and Shigure. her father was a blacksmith of unparalleled skill, and maybe she would like to pick up the trade. I don't think she ever had the opportunity in canon, and it strikes me as something she would be deeply interested in.
Shiro Wins: Shigure might develop a bit of a fixation on Shiro. Maybe follows him around a bit to find out more about him. She might end up helping him if he gets into a tough spot, and could a crash course on introduction to the world of Mages.
Either way, Shiro could provide a third POV compared to the Never Kill/Kill whenever you want setup of the main story. He doesn't enjoy killing, but sometimes you don't have a choice. Maybe the super skilled masters can get by without ever killing, but for regular guys, it's a different story, a road paved with blood, sweat, and tears.
He might find Kenichi a kindred spirit who needs a helping hand to reach his full potential, or perhaps a protege in his ideal to save everyone. There is some decent character development available if someone chose to explore it.
Regarding mage craft, I don't think that any of the Masters should have mage craft. Maybe, MAYBE, Kenichi, but the main focus should be on martial arts. At best, Kenichi would never progress beyond reinforcement, and even that should probably have serious consequences on him. Shiro doesn't strike me as the teaching type, and Kenichi has absolutely no natural talent for anything that could be related to fighting.
Actually, it could be interesting to see the Masters reduced to students once more, if any of them have the potential for magecraft. If Sakaki tries it out after Kenichi's been working on it, it would be a hilarious reversal from the normal interactions as Kenichi instructs Sakaki. Again, they shouldn't get anything game breaking from it, but it could be interesting.
Power levels: Shiro, as a regular person, would probably be somewhere in the expert level on the disciple/expert/master scale. Might be on the high end of it, and certainly well above Kenichi, but his mage craft is too central to his fighting for me to see him as a master without it. With reinforcement, he would probably be on par with a master, and going full out would PWN all of them, mainly due to the sheer brokenness of his RM, and the Phantasms available. The Masters surpass him in physical power and skill, but his Mind's Eye and reinforcement allow him to fight on their level.
...and I should be writing for the competition right now...
Hm... a more interesting crossover between the two of them could be Shiro as a wandering swordsman. Maybe he's a bit down on his luck and takes a job for some rich guy who happened to be humiliated by Ryozanpaku.
A Shiro vs. Shigure match could be interesting, and depending on who wins.
I don't see either of them going all out in their first match. Shiro wants to conceal magecraft, and Shigure probably views him as just another chump to crush. A sudden end to the match could prevent either of them from having a chance to cut loose, giving us potential to see future fights between them.
Shigure Wins: Shiro might want to stick around a bit to hone his skills. Maybe he shares some of his experiences with Kenichi, about how hard he had to work to overcome his own deficiencies.
Another option is that one of the ways he pays rent for staying is by making and selling swords. He has all the information he needs to make weapons far beyond anything world is used to seeing, though his physical skill at that could vary widely, especially as they grow more powerful or esoteric.
That could provide an interesting interaction between him and Shigure. her father was a blacksmith of unparalleled skill, and maybe she would like to pick up the trade. I don't think she ever had the opportunity in canon, and it strikes me as something she would be deeply interested in.
Shiro Wins: Shigure might develop a bit of a fixation on Shiro. Maybe follows him around a bit to find out more about him. She might end up helping him if he gets into a tough spot, and could a crash course on introduction to the world of Mages.
Either way, Shiro could provide a third POV compared to the Never Kill/Kill whenever you want setup of the main story. He doesn't enjoy killing, but sometimes you don't have a choice. Maybe the super skilled masters can get by without ever killing, but for regular guys, it's a different story, a road paved with blood, sweat, and tears.
He might find Kenichi a kindred spirit who needs a helping hand to reach his full potential, or perhaps a protege in his ideal to save everyone. There is some decent character development available if someone chose to explore it.
Regarding mage craft, I don't think that any of the Masters should have mage craft. Maybe, MAYBE, Kenichi, but the main focus should be on martial arts. At best, Kenichi would never progress beyond reinforcement, and even that should probably have serious consequences on him. Shiro doesn't strike me as the teaching type, and Kenichi has absolutely no natural talent for anything that could be related to fighting.
Actually, it could be interesting to see the Masters reduced to students once more, if any of them have the potential for magecraft. If Sakaki tries it out after Kenichi's been working on it, it would be a hilarious reversal from the normal interactions as Kenichi instructs Sakaki. Again, they shouldn't get anything game breaking from it, but it could be interesting.
Power levels: Shiro, as a regular person, would probably be somewhere in the expert level on the disciple/expert/master scale. Might be on the high end of it, and certainly well above Kenichi, but his mage craft is too central to his fighting for me to see him as a master without it. With reinforcement, he would probably be on par with a master, and going full out would PWN all of them, mainly due to the sheer brokenness of his RM, and the Phantasms available. The Masters surpass him in physical power and skill, but his Mind's Eye and reinforcement allow him to fight on their level.
...and I should be writing for the competition right now...
To be honest, a Shigure vs Shirou, even if it was post UBW, I would give it to Shigure, even with Reinforcement I do not think Shirou has the physical stats to run against one of the Masters, plus Shirou is not that experienced fighting himself. He might have downloaded most of Archer's skills, but he lacks experience. Actually I would prefer if the fic was about a pre-hero EMIYA!Shirou, where he goes to the Shigure and Co and ask them for training to develop his twin sword style and stuff.
To be honest, barring Shirou using an NP or deploying UBWs, with just Reinforcement and using K&B, I kinda just see him at the disciple level, probably around Miu.
I can't see Shirou selling his sword to people, first of all they break over time so wouldn't that be a very unheroic thing to do, to sell counterfeits. (Be careful, if you pirate Swords Phantasmoon will come for you).
To be honest, barring Shirou using an NP or deploying UBWs, with just Reinforcement and using K&B, I kinda just see him at the disciple level, probably around Miu.
I can't see Shirou selling his sword to people, first of all they break over time so wouldn't that be a very unheroic thing to do, to sell counterfeits. (Be careful, if you pirate Swords Phantasmoon will come for you).
...if you're taking away Tracing NPs, then how the hell is he supposed to use K&B?
Well... all of that ignores an even more critical point.
For the Masters, practicing Martial Arts is the ends, it's the goal of their lives. For Shirou it's simply a means, it's a useful tool to turn around and do what he needs to do.
That dissonance, where Shirou doesn't regard Martial Arts as something to be proud of or to do for its own sake, completely disqualifies him as a "Martial Artist"... although he could still be a hero.
So, uh, asking whether he could defeat Shigure is pointless, because he would make no attempt to fight her seriously. He'll cheerfully lose because for him, fighting her is meaningless.
Well, if she was going to suck out the blood of dozens of people to sustain herself as a vampire that would be different though.
If there's no hostages, Shirou plumb wouldn't care.
If anything that's what I'd do, where Shigure would get insulted that he doesn't take her seriously, and he couldn't understand why she even cares.
Well... all of that ignores an even more critical point.
For the Masters, practicing Martial Arts is the ends, it's the goal of their lives. For Shirou it's simply a means, it's a useful tool to turn around and do what he needs to do.
That dissonance, where Shirou doesn't regard Martial Arts as something to be proud of or to do for its own sake, completely disqualifies him as a "Martial Artist"... although he could still be a hero.
So, uh, asking whether he could defeat Shigure is pointless, because he would make no attempt to fight her seriously. He'll cheerfully lose because for him, fighting her is meaningless.
Well, if she was going to suck out the blood of dozens of people to sustain herself as a vampire that would be different though.
If there's no hostages, Shirou plumb wouldn't care.
If anything that's what I'd do, where Shigure would get insulted that he doesn't take her seriously, and he couldn't understand why she even cares.
If the goal is a Kenichi cross, there are any number of other ways to do it... for example,
He could see her with a sword, and him being able to identify it exactly, and start a discussion... leading one thing to another.
They could run into each other on one of her outings to get back her fathers swords...
They could run into each other while she is out on a night patrol... one of them running into a fight and the other seeing it....
He could be looking fro something off in the area, and it leading to a fight against Yomi/Yami
BTW... the 'dissonence' mentioned is even more out of wack than that... were they to realize heis talent, outside body conditioning, is merely a ability to learn from the weapon, and not his own skill... t hey may well not be too appreciative of it.... whether it be called magic or some inate ability as a cover...
He could see her with a sword, and him being able to identify it exactly, and start a discussion... leading one thing to another.
They could run into each other on one of her outings to get back her fathers swords...
They could run into each other while she is out on a night patrol... one of them running into a fight and the other seeing it....
He could be looking fro something off in the area, and it leading to a fight against Yomi/Yami
BTW... the 'dissonence' mentioned is even more out of wack than that... were they to realize heis talent, outside body conditioning, is merely a ability to learn from the weapon, and not his own skill... t hey may well not be too appreciative of it.... whether it be called magic or some inate ability as a cover...
There's a fairly easy way to do the cross over if what you care about is the character interaction and not the mixing of the martial arts and magic settings: drop the magic, all the superhuman abilities are part of the same martial arts BS that lets the Elder pull off his assorted BS. Shirou's new backstory becomes that the fire was started by duel between Kirei and Kiristugu, a pair of weapons masters. Afterwards a badly wounded Kiristugu saves and adopts Shirou; eventually sharing his dream of being a superhero as well as beginning Shirou's training before dying from the wounds he'd received in the duel. Now an author could either have Shirou join Ryouzanpaku to continue his training or do a years later where an adult Shirou, just go a head and give him Archer's combat abilities with UBW replaced by him having a huge number of concealed weapons like Shigure, shows up in the canon timeline.
Really what you need is a reason for them to continue interacting without Shirou becoming a disciple.
Then they still get to have conversations about the nature of worth (pride in ability vs pride in results) and you don't have to make things up about why Shirou would be an acceptable disciple. You don't want to find a way to make them get along well. The conflict would be interesting.
Then they still get to have conversations about the nature of worth (pride in ability vs pride in results) and you don't have to make things up about why Shirou would be an acceptable disciple. You don't want to find a way to make them get along well. The conflict would be interesting.
Leaving aside which name to use,
The only story I can think of certainly is The Prismatic Edge, which is a "Shirou gets reincarnated in Prisma-verse" setting that only goes downhill from chapter one. Well, Maiya Hisau is alive in it, so by that sole criterion it fits.
I remember another story that's probably closer to the premise that the request is going for: she's the "cold older sis" kind of character that halfway supports Shirou, but also continues in Kiritsugu's footsteps of slapping down his every attempt to be, like, "more than a normal person."
I couldn't find it though, maybe it was only on Beast's Lair or something?
I thought it was Dual Wielding, but that's not the one. (That's one where Dark Saber lingered on and kept telling Shirou to be a muggle, and Shirou summoned Lily!SaberLancer, also Saber!Hercules, who was super-duper OP). Also it's a dead fic.
The only story I can think of certainly is The Prismatic Edge, which is a "Shirou gets reincarnated in Prisma-verse" setting that only goes downhill from chapter one. Well, Maiya Hisau is alive in it, so by that sole criterion it fits.
I remember another story that's probably closer to the premise that the request is going for: she's the "cold older sis" kind of character that halfway supports Shirou, but also continues in Kiritsugu's footsteps of slapping down his every attempt to be, like, "more than a normal person."
I couldn't find it though, maybe it was only on Beast's Lair or something?
I thought it was Dual Wielding, but that's not the one. (That's one where Dark Saber lingered on and kept telling Shirou to be a muggle, and Shirou summoned Lily!SaberLancer, also Saber!Hercules, who was super-duper OP). Also it's a dead fic.