Naruto Kakashi's special training

GenocideHeart said:
nuclear death frog said:
Also...a much more practical question, GH: how does your Yamazaki clan manage to perpetuate itself? If their bodies are so deadly because of toxins and disease (the curse in action) how do they have sex? And how do fetuses survive to birth? Does the curse set in only some time after the new child is born, and it somehow goes into dormancy while a Yamazaki mama is pregnant?
The Yamazaki's is a cursed bloodline, not a curse proper. That said, most Yamazaki do not have sex at all. Artificial insemination is the usual method of perpetuating the clan, and fertilized eggs all develop a temporary, but extremely powerful immumity to any toxic substance in the mother's bloodstream and body.That immunity slowly disappears after birth, and eventually the cursed bloodline fully sets in.

Attempts by the Yamazaki to make the immunity permanent all failed so far.
That you say "so far" sort of implies it could be done, at least in theory, even if only by a medic-nin more capable than any the world has ever seen.

I'd actually suspected artificial insemination was the case, but I wasn't entirely certain so I left it open by asking.
 

division-six

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Hm...I think I may have an explanation for Kakashi's dismal record regarding his leadership of team 7: it's his first genin team.

I'm not trying to excuse his lack of command; especially since most of the bad things that happened his team can be attributed directly or indirectly to his mistakes,(GH is right, showing favoratism is always asking for the wholesale dissolution of anything resembling trust, cooperation and basic civility among the team) but it start to make sense considering that he's rejected every group of new genin candidates up until Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura graduated.
 

toraneko

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Hm. I think you may be on to something there.

It's not just his genin-training record, come to think of it. He's been a career assassin since his first mission as a Jounin (possibly earlier), and he's spent time as ANBU, which implies more of the same. It's further implied (though it may just be me) that the majority of his missions were solo ventures.

He's still not excused, though. Should have refused to be a teacher more thoroughly if he can't hack it.
 
toraneko said:
Hm. I think you may be on to something there.

It's not just his genin-training record, come to think of it. He's been a career assassin since his first mission as a Jounin (possibly earlier), and he's spent time as ANBU, which implies more of the same. It's further implied (though it may just be me) that the majority of his missions were solo ventures.

He's still not excused, though. Should have refused to be a teacher more thoroughly if he can't hack it.
Not to mention that it's implied that Jounin are only assigned teams if they REQUEST it, IIRC. So basically, it's only Kakashi's fault for overestimating his abilities as a teacher.

By the way, NDF. You asked earlier:

Are the jobbers Leaf? Just curious, really.
No. They are Hidden Cloud. Just for the record.
 

division-six

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I never said he was excused. I was just trying to offer an explination.

And yeah, I'd say that Kakashi's personality is much more suited for a solo mission than a team venture.
 

zeebee1

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But, he was also lazy. It seems that ever since he was told to take a genin team he's been off duty. His battle against Zabuza should have been a breeze. He was obviously out of practice. Whatever he learned from the last war was obviously forgotten. Virtually all of his faults, beyond his own arrogance, come from Obito's death.
 

Typhonis

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It also may have had something to do with Sarutobi thinking since Sasuke had the ability to create a Sharingan, only a few of the Uchiha could so there was a possiblity he couldn`t, Kakashi could train him to use it .

This would goad Naruto to do better...even though the Ninja academy may have very well screwed Naruto over royally in his training,save for Iruka byut by then Naruto may have been jaded in his learning also Naruto has excellent stealth skills...rewatch the opening ogf the series...he was leading and escaping from Chunnin that were chasing him down. Either he is good at stealth or those Chunnin stink at searching for an escaping enemy.

So Kakashi takes team 7 and Naruto and Sakura get the short end of the stick.
 

ttestagr

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....Wait, wait. I've been hearing that argument for far too long. That sequence where Naruto was escaping from chuunin and jounin is anime only and not relevant. Naruto has not shown such skills in the manga I believe.


And on another topic, does anybody here think that Kishimoto may have been influenced by the anime? I was looking at old covers, and noticed that Sakura's original hair color wasn't the pink it is in the anime. PTS however, he changed it to match the anime. Is this the case with other things that have happened I wonder?
 
ttestagr said:
And on another topic, does anybody here think that Kishimoto may have been influenced by the anime?? I was looking at old covers, and noticed that Sakura's original hair color wasn't the pink it is in the anime.? PTS however, he changed it to match the anime.? Is this the case with other things that have happened I wonder?
Are you sure about that?

I seem to remember a few colored pics during the second test of the Chuunin Exam where Sakura is clearly shown with pink hair and green eyes.
 
Eh, don't think he means Sakura's hair wasn't pink before, it's just that it's a completely different shade of pink. (...I think)
 
Manga is, for the most part, printed on incredibly cheap paper -- it's bloody hard to get decent color in the high volume issues. Volumes (tankouban) get better-quality paper but it's still not great. Only extremely high selling series get printed on good paper.
 
... I dunno, those are just lousy pictures. Her hair does look a different shade, but the color is very washed out on those.
 

Dead_Alfadur

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You know, now that I actually see the shade of pink I can't help but think of the woman from the B-52's.

And is that the actaul shade used in the anime?(Pround to never have seen an episode, but read the manga.)
 

toraneko

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One, animators often screw up or get lazy on hair colors. E.g.: Shampoo's hair in Ranma 1/2 (it's black in the manga), Lum's hair in Urusei Yatsura (according to Takahashi, it's supposed to show different rainbow colors depending on the angle that light hits it), and many notables in the Negima TV series.

Two, print qualities change in manga, so specific shades/tones of hair color aren't reliable. Sakura's hair is pink, and is supposed to match sakura blossoms - that's all you need to know as a reader/watcher.
 
toraneko said:
One, animators often screw up or get lazy on hair colors. E.g.: Shampoo's hair in Ranma 1/2 (it's black in the manga)
Shampoo is far from the only character in Ranma 1/2 whose hair color was changed for the anime. Ranma's girl form hair is black (with a glint) in the manga and red in the anime. In the original colored prints of the manga, all the Tendou girls have black hair, while in the anime Kasumi and Nabiki have brown hair and Akane has dark blue. And that's just the ones I can think of quickly.
 

toraneko

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Well, the changing of black hair colors to something else is understandable - it has to do with the limitations of animation cels, back when they still had little in the way of CG assistance.

As I understand it, excessive use of black in animation cels resulted in the entire image suffering some ink bleed-over, darkening the entire image. This wasn't such a problem in the "darker" anime, but in something like R1/2 it went against the grain. Thus, in those days, many "black-haired" characters underwent a color shift to blue.

Also, having everyone with black hair was too "boring". This is also why colors like pink and green became acceptable colors for hair.
 

Typhonis

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Also technicolor hair is from the OLD anime shows where all of the heroes used to look alike and well the audience had to be able to tell one another apart....
 

ttestagr

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About the latest chapter. How sad is it that after all of this training, Naruto needs Kakashi to tip him off that to finish this uber Rasengan he's been working he needs to use kage bunshin like when he first learned the jutsu. Especially since he's been using kage bunshin for most of the timeskip when he's needed to make a Rasengan...

Combined with the Akatsuki's suckage, chapter 329 quite possibly beats out Sasuke's mary-sue return as the worst chapter in any manga...
 

zeebee1

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A very bad thought came to me. The rasengan is stated to be an uncomplete technique, one that can be finished by affixing any element to it. It also can be copied. Sasuke has seen it many times, and will most liekly come with his own version.
 

GenocideHeart

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zeebee1 said:
A very bad thought came to me. The rasengan is stated to be an uncomplete technique, one that can be finished by affixing any element to it. It also can be copied. Sasuke has seen it many times, and will most liekly come with his own version.
That's why I dn't like Kakashi knowing it. It implies Sasgay can also do it, since he's seen it plenty enough times up close to figure it out.

I half expect Bakamoto to introduce the 'magnificent Mangekyou Rasengan' at one point soon.
 

leeyiankun

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Bakamoto seems to be doing a wonderful job of ruining his own story & contradicting himself. So I guess I can see that.

A Mangekyou Rasengan, eh? After Kakashi's impersonation of a human-laser canon, I am not surprise.
 

zeebee1

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Maybe they'l reveal that Sasuke can wield all elements at once and that the Uchiha's founder was the ten tailed demon who now leads the Akatsuki.
 
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