Akamatsuverse Kryptonian Keitaro

[Ordo]

I tend to agree with Dhampyr's assessment. The JLU have faced, on a regular basis, beings like The Legion of Doom, The Sinestro Corps, and the forces of Darkseid to name a few. The Negima powerlevels are impressive, but it's nothing the JLU hasn't seen before.

Also, I doubt that even with her sisters training, that Motoko will reach that level of power before the story ends one way or another. I have a general direction I want things to go in, a concept for an ending and have no desire for this story to continue indefinatly.

 

[Antimatter]

I tend to agree with Dhampyr's assessment. The JLU have faced, on a regular basis, beings like The Legion of Doom, The Sinestro Corps, and the forces of Darkseid to name a few. The Negima powerlevels are impressive, but it's nothing the JLU hasn't seen before.

Also, I doubt that even with her sisters training, that Motoko will reach that level of power before the story ends one way or another. I have a general direction I want things to go in, a concept for an ending and have no desire for this story to continue indefinatly.

Check and see how many of the JLA are actually effective against the likes of those though. Most of them aren't superman style demigods. It's actually a major failing of the DC universe that so many people were like that.

The shinmei ryu would be a nightmare to the non-demigod members of the JLD/DCU.

I don't think Motoko would become that overpowered overnight, but if she seriously trained, she'd be a beast in short order, and would only get stronger with time. Would it be interesting to see the JLA's reaction to Tsuroko or Eisen? That i'd love to see.

 

[Ordo]

I don't think Motoko would become that overpowered overnight, but if she seriously trained, she'd be a beast in short order, and would only get stronger with time.

If she seriously devotes herself to training, then we're going to miss a lot of her interactions with Keitaro and the resulting growth. To get to 'beast level' will either take her more time than I've allotted for in this story, or it will require that she ignore the very reason for her wish to grow, and focus only on her art. Neither option appeals to me.

Would it be interesting to see the JLA's reaction to Tsuroko or Eisen?? That i'd love to see.

I already have some idea of how Tsuroko will fit into the story, though I won't go into it at the moment. As for Eisen...I'm keeping Negima characters to cameos at most so we really won't be seeing much of them, if anything, at all.

 

[ragnarok1337]

But isn't he getting training about that?


And I reiterate: NO GIVING THE LH GIRLS POWERS!!!

Well, except for Motoko. The ones who pointed out the badassness of the Shinmei-Ryu have a good point. And maybe Kanako as well, with her awesome disguise and martial arts skills.

But except for that, have the rest relegated to "lois lane/lana lang" roles. Unimportant except as plot devices or ransom tools.

Oh, and Suu as a Running Gag villain. I am thinking of the thread where Shinobu tries to conquer the world--all while being adorably cute. Suu wouldn't get far, but she would be the comic relief.

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"There appears to be large-scale robot attacks in Japan--specifically Hinata."

"It must be the Molmol royal--Suu."

"Most likely."

"Should we let Keitaro take care of this?"

"Yes. It's be valuable experience. A small-scale world domination attempt will be good practice for some of the larger problems he'll face."

"Perhaps I should have a...talk with the Molmol royal family."

"Good ide--"

*Superman looks over his shoulder to see Batman gone."

"I hate it when he does that.

 

[zeebee1]

And that is how it should be done.

 

[Prince Charon]

I'd say, don't hand them powers, but if they're willing to work for them, like Motoko and Kanako, they can eventually achieve them (though it may take so long that unless its a time skip or epilogue, we won't see them empowered). Temporary powers thanks to Suu, random magic items, and so forth, nicely fit the Lois Lane-Lana Lang trope, though.

Mind you, Naru perhaps already has powers, given her strength level, but her self control is in the lower tsundere range (that is to say, she has less self control than a lot of other tsundere).

 

[Crusader]

Mind you, Naru perhaps already has powers, given her strength level, but her self control is in the lower tsundere range (that is to say, she has less self control than a lot of other tsundere).

I generally hold the opinion that Louise from Zero no Tsukaima was the tsundere with the worst self-control issues in mainstream anime, light novels and manga.

Naru's not that bad when she's stable, but I rank her lower than Akane IMO since Akane for all her faults has risked life and limb for Ranma (who also has many faults and arrogance in spades) and occasionally one of her rivals and almost died as a result of it. Naru and Motoko attacking pre-timeskip Keitaro always gave me the feeling of badly distorted caricatures of Akane and Tatewaki Kuno (using the bladed sword he used directly in the end of the manga from the start) cowardly attacking a non-combatant, non-threatening bystander side characters like Hiroshi and Daisuke instead of a character with Ranma-like skills and powers or with Ataru's Ataruness.

Ironically Akane and Kagome despite all their faults seemed IMHO to have the one tsundere trait in the end that set them over Naru when it came to the main coupling. (that they helped Ranma and Inu-Yasha and put their life on the line also helped giving me a more positive outlook on them than Naru). and Kagome made more sacrifices than Naru ever did.

 

[Ordo]

I generally hold the opinion that Louise from Zero no Tsukaima was the tsundere with the worst self-control issues in mainstream anime, light novels and manga.

Where does that leave Haruhi, I mean she tried to end all creation and reforge the world to her own vision when she saw Kyon snuggling up to Asahina-san.

Darkseid: (lips quirk upwards as he nods his approval) "Impressive, few other Tsundere have the strength of character to end creation to achieve their goals..."

Actually now that I think about it, what if Haruhi is the living embodiment of the Anti-Life equation....I'll save that thought for another thread.

Naru's not that bad when she's stable,

That's right Keitaro, Naru is a sweet girl when she's not a violent maniac.

Edit: Does anyone have a good screen cap of Darkseid smiling from the Batman/Superman Apocolyps film? I want to add the words "Darkseid Approves" at the bottom.

 

[Crusader]

Where does that leave Haruhi, I mean she tried to end all creation and reforge the world to her own vision when she saw Kyon snuggling up to Asahina-san.

Haruhi's reality warping powers is more of a subconscious power that everyone wants to keep her in the dark from in case the revelation causes her subconsciousness to give her direct control of her reality warping and in essence become a goddess totally aware of her powers. Lina Inverse is probably more selfish considering how easy it was for Hellmaster to dupe her into casting the perfected Giga Slave by threatening to kill Gourry and it took the Lord of Nightmares to intervene on her blundering avatar's behalf to prevent that world from being destroyed.

That's right Keitaro, Naru is a sweet girl when she's not a violent maniac.

She is a tsundere after all, albeit with too much tsun and too little dere and a fixation on an older man that puts Akane and Asuka to shame, considering what happened in the end. Kinda like how Lois Lane of old held Clark Kent in contempt but was infatuated with Superman, and how Felicia Hardy/Black Cat used to love Spider-Man but looked down on his real identity as Peter Parker. Liked how Peter actually confronted her about it in the 80s in Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man # 100 and broke up with her (even if she actually was planning to break up with him first to prevent her bad luck power from killing him after Kingpin revealed it to her).

Edit: Does anyone have a good screen cap of Darkseid smiling from the Batman/Superman Apocolyps film? I want to add the words "Darkseid Approves" at the bottom.

Can't really help you there; but I found another pic you could use if anyone can't find the one you specified.

 

[Ordo]

Where does that leave Haruhi, I mean she tried to end all creation and reforge the world to her own vision when she saw Kyon snuggling up to Asahina-san.

Haruhi's reality warping powers is more of a subconscious power that everyone wants to keep her in the dark from in case the revelation causes her subconsciousness to give her direct control of her reality warping and in essence become a goddess totally aware of her powers.

I honestly worry that Haruhi is intentionally trying to remain unaware of her powers.

Walk with me on this one...

Let's say that Haruhi knew she had powers, she is just smart enough to realize the responsibility those powers bring. She'd know that to do anything as selfish as rewriting history to suit her needs would make her a selfish monster.

So how do you enjoy power....when the guilt and shame of using it for yourself would shatter you. Easy, you 'forget' that you have them. Then you can't be blamed if you accidently rewrite reality, because you didn't know...

Lina Inverse is probably more selfish considering how easy it was for Hellmaster to dupe her into casting the perfected Giga Slave by threatening to kill Gourry and it took the Lord of Nightmares to intervene on her blundering avatar's behalf to prevent that world from being destroyed.

Hmmm Lina Inverse....daughter of Darkseid...maybe later.

 

[crazyfoxdemon]

Hmmm Lina Inverse....daughter of Darkseid...maybe later.

How about now? :rant: :rant:

 

[Antimatter]

Where does that leave Haruhi, I mean she tried to end all creation and reforge the world to her own vision when she saw Kyon snuggling up to Asahina-san.

Haruhi's reality warping powers is more of a subconscious power that everyone wants to keep her in the dark from in case the revelation causes her subconsciousness to give her direct control of her reality warping and in essence become a goddess totally aware of her powers.

I honestly worry that Haruhi is intentionally trying to remain unaware of her powers.

Walk with me on this one...

Let's say that Haruhi knew she had powers, she is just smart enough to realize the responsibility those powers bring. She'd know that to do anything as selfish as rewriting history to suit her needs would make her a selfish monster.

So how do you enjoy power....when the guilt and shame of using it for yourself would shatter you. Easy, you 'forget' that you have them. Then you can't be blamed if you accidently rewrite reality, because you didn't know...

Lina Inverse is probably more selfish considering how easy it was for Hellmaster to dupe her into casting the perfected Giga Slave by threatening to kill Gourry and it took the Lord of Nightmares to intervene on her blundering avatar's behalf to prevent that world from being destroyed.

Hmmm Lina Inverse....daughter of Darkseid...maybe later.

See Lain for how one can come to terms with having reality altering powers.

On that note, I really, really want to see a Lain/Ghost in the shell fusion.

 

[Crusader]

Hmmm Lina Inverse....daughter of Darkseid...maybe later.

How about a Gourry from a grittier, darker AU who caught Lina doing the Netorare with Zelgadis or Xellos, who broke down mentally and joined the Sinestro Corps on a multiverse recruitment tour and facing his greatest fear which is to be completely overshadowed by the magic-users in Lina's gang and being treated as a retard and inferior beneath contempt by Lina and the others and that the Sword of Light was the only thing important about him?

(Yes the constant fanon bashing of Gourry and constant praising of Lina/Zel or Lina/Xel does get on my nerves.)

 

[Ordo]

Nah if I'm going to do a Lina Inverse story with Darkseid then it's going to be a 'Realities Collide thing'.

Lina Inverse is the Daughter and chosen champion of Darkseid

Negi Springfield is the grandson (or great grandson) of Highfather and is his chosen champion.

The two and their warriors will fight it out on a world chosen by The Monitor to host this Titanic clash. Whoever wins will recieve a portion of the Anti-Life equation.

Anyways back to the matter at hand.

Motoko and Kanako will be training for their power-ups but I will try to keep their progression to a reasonable pace. The other Hina girls are going to start scrambling to find ways to snare Keitaro before those League hussies snatch him away.

Circe: (eating popcorn as the fight for Keitaro's heart get's vicious) "Better than Cable!"

 

[Crusader]

Nah if I'm going to do a Lina Inverse story with Darkseid then it's going to be a 'Realities Collide thing'.

Lina Inverse is the Daughter and chosen champion of Darkseid

At least Lina's mom doing the NTR with Darkseid would explain why her older sister Luna ended up as the avatar of Flare Dragon Ceifeed while Lina ended up as the avatar of Lord of Nightmares with the power to end the world. If her husband finds out I wonder if he'll kill her with that fishing rod of his that he used in the light novel adventure with Gourry.

Luke and Rezo after all were avatars of the Reincarnated pieces of Ruby Eye Shabranigdo.

I still think that Gourry breaking down and joining the Sinestro Corps would be a fun idea or have him go Parallax through some plot device and lots of retcons consisting of bad guys working from behind the scenes.

 

[DhampyrX2]

I've been meaning to ask, Ordo, is this set before Final Crisis or after Darkest Night? Or is it an kind of amalgam DCU with no set timeline? Because the first two bring up the issue of Superboy still being kind of dead and I don't want to add him to anything if he is. Also I don't want to write anything with the wrong Robin in the mix. Granted, leaving Cass as Batgirl sets a prescedent already, but I thought I should ask.

 

[Ordo]

I've been meaning to ask, Ordo, is this set before Final Crisis or after Darkest Night? Or is it an kind of amalgam DCU with no set timeline? Because the first two bring up the issue of Superboy still being kind of dead and I don't want to add him to anything if he is. Also I don't want to write anything with the wrong Robin in the mix. Granted, leaving Cass as Batgirl sets a prescedent already, but I thought I should ask.

Since we've tread over continuity a bit already I'm willing to consider this an amalgamation of the DCU. Kon's gone, we're using your version of Artemis, Blue Beetles up and about and the whole Black Lantern thing hasn't happened yet (another reason I'm no longer including power rings for the Hina girls.).

That said, my current plan is for Keitaro's growth/adventures to begin before Blackest night. Keitaro and the other reservist eventually get more of a workload than they bargained for as they become earths guardians as the main force of the Justice League is eventually busy dealing with the Black Lantern crisis.

I figure Intergang, the League of shadows etc will try and take advantage of the Leagues distracted state to advance their own agendas (not world domination, but things the reservist need to handle).

Climax occurs during brightest day, with the Epilogue occuring a few years later.

That's the general outline at the moment.

 

[DhampyrX2]

I've been meaning to ask, Ordo, is this set before Final Crisis or after Darkest Night?? Or is it an kind of amalgam DCU with no set timeline?? Because the first two bring up the issue of Superboy still being kind of dead and I don't want to add him to anything if he is.? Also I don't want to write anything with the wrong Robin in the mix.? Granted, leaving Cass as Batgirl sets a prescedent already, but I thought I should ask.

Since we've tread over continuity a bit already I'm willing to consider this an amalgamation of the DCU. Kon's gone, we're using your version of Artemis, Blue Beetles up and about and the whole Black Lantern thing hasn't happened yet (another reason I'm no longer including power rings for the Hina girls.).

That said, my current plan is for Keitaro's growth/adventures to begin before Blackest night. Keitaro and the other reservist eventually get more of a workload than they bargained for as they become earths guardians as the main force of the Justice League is eventually busy dealing with the Black Lantern crisis.

I figure Intergang, the League of shadows etc will try and take advantage of the Leagues distracted state to advance their own agendas (not world domination, but things the reservist need to handle).

Climax occurs during brightest day, with the Epilogue occuring a few years later.

That's the general outline at the moment.

So basically pre-Final Crisis since Bruce is still alive but with other elements thrown in? Gotcha. Although, other than not being mind-fucked by the whole Amazon-brainwashing arc the Artemis I put in is the canon one for the comics. You know, the redhead that fought with Kara in Superman/Batman Apocalyse? There's nothing that says you can't use the Young Justice toon one, too. Granted I see her and think it's Cissy King-Jones/Arrowette in my head (because adding Ollie's illegitimate daughter to the mix is just fun) but they're both canon characters.

Oh, I've been thinking of a way to try to clean up the Powergirl issue too since the comic canon Powergirl is the Kara from Earth - 2 and not a clone. What if Cadmus had managed to find her first when she came to this dimension and brainwash her? Kind of sketchy I know, buit it would fit after a fashion.

Oh, and if you want to still give the Hina Girls Power rings temporarily, Blackest Night is a good point to do it. If they could make Wonder Woman a Star Sapphire because of her repressed love for Batman, they can make anyone a temporary member of the various Corps.

 

[Antimatter]

I've been meaning to ask, Ordo, is this set before Final Crisis or after Darkest Night?á Or is it an kind of amalgam DCU with no set timeline?á Because the first two bring up the issue of Superboy still being kind of dead and I don't want to add him to anything if he is.á Also I don't want to write anything with the wrong Robin in the mix.á Granted, leaving Cass as Batgirl sets a prescedent already, but I thought I should ask.

Since we've tread over continuity a bit already I'm willing to consider this an amalgamation of the DCU. Kon's gone, we're using your version of Artemis, Blue Beetles up and about and the whole Black Lantern thing hasn't happened yet (another reason I'm no longer including power rings for the Hina girls.).

That said, my current plan is for Keitaro's growth/adventures to begin before Blackest night. Keitaro and the other reservist eventually get more of a workload than they bargained for as they become earths guardians as the main force of the Justice League is eventually busy dealing with the Black Lantern crisis.

I figure Intergang, the League of shadows etc will try and take advantage of the Leagues distracted state to advance their own agendas (not world domination, but things the reservist need to handle).

Climax occurs during brightest day, with the Epilogue occuring a few years later.

That's the general outline at the moment.

So basically pre-Final Crisis since Bruce is still alive but with other elements thrown in? Gotcha. Although, other than not being mind-fucked by the whole Amazon-brainwashing arc the Artemis I put in is the canon one for the comics. You know, the redhead that fought with Kara in Superman/Batman Apocalyse? There's nothing that says you can't use the Young Justice toon one, too. Granted I see her and think it's Cissy King-Jones/Arrowette in my head (because adding Ollie's illegitimate daughter to the mix is just fun) but they're both canon characters.

Oh, I've been thinking of a way to try to clean up the Powergirl issue too since the comic canon Powergirl is the Kara from Earth - 2 and not a clone. What if Cadmus had managed to find her first when she came to this dimension and brainwash her? Kind of sketchy I know, buit it would fit after a fashion.

Oh, and if you want to still give the Hina Girls Power rings temporarily, Blackest Night is a good point to do it. If they could make Wonder Woman a Star Sapphire because of her repressed love for Batman, they can make anyone a temporary member of the various Corps.

It's all fun and games till Sarah's mom and Haruka's mom show up at the Hinata House.

 

[Crusader]

It's all fun and games till Sarah's mom and Haruka's mom show up at the Hinata House.

Wasn't Sarah's mom dead a long time ago, or has some villain retconned her back to life in order to mess up Seta's life again? If he chooses one or the other or none at all, it could lead to the women to embrace the role as a super-villain or make Sarah the new Speedy by addicting her to drugs.

 

[Ordo]

Maybe at the stories climax we'd give the girls power rings. Even then I'd only do it as a way for them to deal with their own demons before Keitaro finally makes his choice about the kind of life he wants to lead.

Does he wish to remain a reservist?

Who does he want to spend the rest of his life with?

Is archeology his true calling or is his the call of his heart leading him in a new direction?

and more

A few notes

Kanako = Hero Name (when she's publicly helping Ronin) 'Curare'. Costume is a fusion of modern Ninja and MGS 2/4 Sneak Suit. LOTS of hidden pockets, and expieremental opto-cameo system (Blends into the background by changing it's color and pattern). Generally prefers Tonfas and various types of smoke bombs/Flash bangs etc.

Motoko = Hero Name (given to her by Kanako, who helped with her costume) 'Shinigami'. Costume is a mix of Ichigos Bankai form and the suit used by the Phantasm in the animated film 'Batman: MOP' (Mostly the deaths head).

Keitaro = Hero name, Ronin (as given by Supergirl) costume is a joint effort between Secret and Kyle Rayner (And yes she enjoyed her 'date' with Keitaro).

Take this costume

Now change the colors to white, black and grey. The chest and shoulder armor now have that scale or ribbed like appearance of classical samurai armor (just a techno version) add in a sleevless bugandy colored duster coat with a gold version of the following symbol on the back

and either a Nightwing style mask, or an oni mask for the face.

It's all fun and games till Sarah's mom and Haruka's mom show up at the Hinata House.

Wasn't Sarah's mom dead a long time ago, or has some villain retconned her back to life in order to mess up Seta's life again? If he chooses one or the other or none at all, it could lead to the women to embrace the role as a super-villain or make Sarah the new Speedy by addicting her to drugs.

Actually having Haruka being a Star Sapphire while Sarah's mom is a Black Lantern might work.....bah thoughts for MUCH later.

 

[Flamewolf]

he'd be a turtle hero?

 

[Ordo]

he'd be a turtle hero?

Its an inside joke...but yeah it fits considering his current fascination with the Turtle civilization.

To be fair I'm willing to change the symbol as that might be too obvious, but it was fun to use.

 

[DhampyrX2]

It's all fun and games till Sarah's mom and Haruka's mom show up at the Hinata House.

Wasn't Sarah's mom dead a long time ago, or has some villain retconned her back to life in order to mess up Seta's life again? If he chooses one or the other or none at all, it could lead to the women to embrace the role as a super-villain or make Sarah the new Speedy by addicting her to drugs.

I think he meant the two of them showing up as Black Lanterns. Although a LOT of Black Lanterns got retured to life by the end of Blackest Night. Having Sara's mom and Yoko Urashima returned to life could complicate things significantly for Haruka.

Also, point of order, is Keitaro descended from Kryptonians through his mother and the Urashima line or through his father's family? Because there are good story arguments for both. Through his dad you don't have to worry about Haruka, Granny, or Yoko if she's revived being part Kryptonian. Through his mother and you can possible play with story elements of Yoko having powers like Keitaro's.

 

[Ordo]

In the interest of not letting things get out of hand, I'm inclined to have Keitaro's power come from his fathers side of the family.