Akamatsuverse Mahou Iinazuke Negima!

[Aires Drake]

Mana is off limits and Chao is his descendant.

There is no way in hell forcibly engaging a ten year old boy to that bunch could be received well by anyone. The story breaks in American media by the next day and suddenly Britain and Japan are being LIBERATED IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM. (Remember that Negima takes place in 2004-05.)

Unless the whole deal with Iraq and the Middle East could be worked into the story as a means for telling why the U.S. isn't involving itself, since it's already got enough trouble to deal with elsewhere. I would expect some sort of strongman or 'carrot or stick' form of policy to be used though, even if the U.S. doesn't directly involve itself. There's a lot of ways you could take that sort of political bent in a story. Unfortunately, it's not something that should immediately or directly affect the characters of the story, in my opinion, unless they're operating at the top levels of diplomatic talks and exchanges.

I have no idea why I just said that whole bit. :huh:

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

Evangaline is a mage, and that isn't because she's a vampire. Also, several people in the class, including Yuna and Makie have some level of magic potential.

There's also Konoka, who is a potential mage herself, Setsuna who is a demon, Zazie who is probably a demon, Chachamaru's a robot, Sayo is a ghost...

And let's not even think about what Asuna is (or might be )

Mana is off limits and Chao is his descendant.

There is no way in hell forcibly engaging a ten year old boy to that bunch could be received well by anyone. The story breaks in American media by the next day and suddenly Britain and Japan are being LIBERATED IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM. (Remember that Negima takes place in 2004-05.)

Your forgetting "What happens in Japan stays in Japan". They got a tree that is obviously the larghest in the world yet no one cares, the Budokai was treated as every day, hell even if they thought it was faked people would still be intrigued on how they managed to do it in real time, they also built a robot t rex all by them selves without the help of Chao. Chisame coments on how no one notices what nshould obviously be magical or unnatrual all the time yet everyone else just goes "eh" and goes about their business. In the end I'm be more surprised if anyone besides those effected would even care.

 

[zeebee1]

That's an explicit case of magic hiding magic. Their governments public actions are still public. And it should be noted that Negi isn't a Japanese citizen. A kid is roped into a marriage just because he's visiting. International organizations all over would be very unhappy with this.

 

[Chuckg]

And how the flarging heck did the Iraq War make it in here? Seriously, everything goes political on the Internet nowadays. Bloody annoying, no matter which side you're on.

Sure, there would be a massive diplomatic incident going on here. That incident would be Her Majesty's Foreign Office protesting in sheerest outrage as to the indignities being taken with the person and liberty of one of Her Majesty's subjects by the sovereign government of Japan. As well as pointing out that forcibly preventing Negi Springfield from returning to his home country (where of course none of his would-be fiancees would be given entry visas too, until they abandoned the silly notion posthaste) would be a violation of international law. The discussion of wartime whichevers, entirely not necessary.

Edit: Not to mention, Negi is ten years old. Even in Japan, that's way too young to be getting engaged, isn't it?

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

And how the flarging heck did the Iraq War make it in here?

I brought it up.

 

[grant]

And how the flarging heck did the Iraq War make it in here? Seriously, everything goes political on the Internet nowadays. Bloody annoying, no matter which side you're on.

Sure, there would be a massive diplomatic incident going on here. That incident would be Her Majesty's Foreign Office protesting in sheerest outrage as to the indignities being taken with the person and liberty of one of Her Majesty's subjects by the sovereign government of Japan. As well as pointing out that forcibly preventing Negi Springfield from returning to his home country (where of course none of his would-be fiancees would be given entry visas too, until they abandoned the silly notion posthaste) would be a violation of international law. The discussion of wartime whichevers, entirely not necessary.

Edit: Not to mention, Negi is ten years old. Even in Japan, that's way too young to be getting engaged, isn't it?

It probably isn't precisely illegal to say he's engaged (though it might be an abuse of his rights, especially if not done by his guardian), but probably would be illegal to try to force him to marry. To the best of my knowledge, marriages are different from engagements in that a marriage is usually a legally binding activity while an engagement is just announcing that you wish to marry someone in the near future. Forcing Negi to act as though he's engaged would probably violate the rights of a child, and I'm fairly sure both Japan and the U.K are signatories to the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

You'll notice one common thread in many anime and manga is that if they were applied to real life they would be of dubious legality*. It's probably best not to think too hard on these things.

*Child soldiers, police seem to never be interested in stopping fights between teenagers, minors living with people who aren't their guardians...

 

[nairit]

Evangaline is a mage, and that isn't because she's a vampire. Also, several people in the class, including Yuna and Makie have some level of magic potential.

There's also Konoka, who is a potential mage herself, Setsuna who is a demon, Zazie who is probably a demon, Chachamaru's a robot, Sayo is a ghost...

And let's not even think about what Asuna is (or might be )

Mana is off limits and Chao is his descendant.

There is no way in hell forcibly engaging a ten year old boy to that bunch could be received well by anyone. The story breaks in American media by the next day and suddenly Britain and Japan are being LIBERATED IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM. (Remember that Negima takes place in 2004-05.)

Your forgetting "What happens in Japan stays in Japan". They got a tree that is obviously the larghest in the world yet no one cares, the Budokai was treated as every day, hell even if they thought it was faked people would still be intrigued on how they managed to do it in real time, they also built a robot t rex all by them selves without the help of Chao. Chisame coments on how no one notices what nshould obviously be magical or unnatrual all the time yet everyone else just goes "eh" and goes about their business. In the end I'm be more surprised if anyone besides those effected would even care.

Perception Filter. Fixes everything.

 

[thezorch]

The whole "Maburaho" idea would fit this situation better. The girls actively go after Negi because of his lineage, some willingly, and others were commanded to do so by their families. Chao is exempt since she's from the future. The dean might try to pair up Negi and Asuna because it might be her best chance of breaking the contract with the underworld, and Eva will still go after him but for his blood. However, from the anime (I've never read the manga) it looked like she had fallen for his father before he put the Infuricus Scholasticus curse on her, and since Negi is so much like his father she could slowly start to have some kind of feelings for him.

This plot makes far more sense than a government mandated engagement.

 

[EspyLacopa]

The whole "Maburaho" idea would fit this situation better. The girls actively go after Negi because of his lineage, some willingly, and others were commanded to do so by their families. Chao is exempt since she's from the future. The dean might try to pair up Negi and Asuna because it might be her best chance of breaking the contract with the underworld, and Eva will still go after him but for his blood. However, from the anime (I've never read the manga) it looked like she had fallen for his father before he put the Infuricus Scholasticus curse on her, and since Negi is so much like his father she could slowly start to have some kind of feelings for him.

This plot makes far more sense than a government mandated engagement.

Pssst, anyone who's read the manga will tell you: There is no contract with the underworld. And there's potential that Negi and Asuna are actually related.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

And there's potential that Negi and Asuna are actually related.

Potential? Asuna is Negi's aunt. This is canon.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

The whole "Maburaho" idea would fit this situation better. The girls actively go after Negi because of his lineage, some willingly, and others were commanded to do so by their families. Chao is exempt since she's from the future. The dean might try to pair up Negi and Asuna because it might be her best chance of breaking the contract with the underworld, and Eva will still go after him but for his blood. However, from the anime (I've never read the manga) it looked like she had fallen for his father before he put the Infuricus Scholasticus curse on her, and since Negi is so much like his father she could slowly start to have some kind of feelings for him.

This plot makes far more sense than a government mandated engagement.

Why should Chao lose out on all the fun, really who could spawn a child a smart and awesome as Chao Lingshen, obviously only Chao herself. And so begins Chaos quest to make sure it stays in the family.

 

[thezorch]

The whole "Maburaho" idea would fit this situation better.? The girls actively go after Negi because of his lineage, some willingly, and others were commanded to do so by their families.? Chao is exempt since she's from the future.? The dean might try to pair up Negi and Asuna because it might be her best chance of breaking the contract with the underworld, and Eva will still go after him but for his blood.? However, from the anime (I've never read the manga) it looked like she had fallen for his father before he put the Infuricus Scholasticus curse on her, and since Negi is so much like his father she could slowly start to have some kind of feelings for him.

This plot makes far more sense than a government mandated engagement.

Pssst, anyone who's read the manga will tell you: There is no contract with the underworld. And there's potential that Negi and Asuna are actually related.

I've never read the manga before and have only see the two anime series and the OAVs. Is the manga on OneManga.com? If so I'll go check it out.

 

[EspyLacopa]

This idea reminds me of Final Approach, only with a Harem bent to it.

 

[zeebee1]

If you want to take the approach that this works on a a legal level you need to remember that it was explained that the girls have no rights in this regard because their parents agreed to this. But would Nekane agree to this?

 

[Alzrius]

This section is dead in the same way the One Piece threads aren't popular. It's hard to improve on something this good, so most people don't try.

Negima is good, but it's hardly so good that it makes would-be fanfic authors despair of trying to improve upon it.

Now that I think about it, why didn't anyone attack Shizuna? She was the bearer of bad news and felt no remorse that they had no rights nor that she was responsible for the termination of their previous relationships. After all, it's not like the Japanese government would know who Misa was dating unless someone, like Shizuna, told them.

Mostly because they were in shock, though I also think that none of the girls are quite so likely to get violent towards an adult/teacher as they are with each other - at least in the beginning.

My problem with negima fanfiction is well, i'm not reading Fansubs, only the official releases, so i'm over a year behind. Trying to avoid spoilers.

Yeah, that's true for me too.

The problem with this idea is that it's crap. It's really that simple. If you come in with a bad idea good writing will only hide the fact that the idea is bad for a while.

I think that when you say "this idea is crap" you're confusing two different things. If by "crap" you mean that it's not workable in reality, then you're right - I highly doubt something like the premise I established in this prologue would ever happen in the real world, and if it did, it'd have serious legal ramifications.

On the other hand, if by "crap" you mean that the idea isn't a good foundation for building a fanfic on, then I think you're wrong. It's this sort of setup that can lead to all sorts of hilarity...

...if I actually ever wrote it, I mean.

Yeah. 'Why the hell is the government of Japan arranging marriages? Especially like this?' is a giant elephant in the room, that the fic did not even try to answer -- and oh Lord, did it need answering.

The answer to this was supposed to be in the link I gave in the author's notes at the end of the prologue. However, the link doesn't work exactly as it should now. The correct link can be found here.

Pity. The premise had great potential for laughter. But if you're gonna do a big stretch, you need to properly limber up...

I have no excuse for how I've ignored my fanfics thus far. It's little comfort, I know, to say that I do want to continue them, but I just keep failing to make the time and muster up the effort.

If you want to take the approach that this works on a a legal level you need to remember that it was explained that the girls have no rights in this regard because their parents agreed to this. But would Nekane agree to this?

I had Shizuna mention that Nekane already had agreed to it, and that seems plausible, considering how she worries after Negi and is eager for him to find a partner.

Originally, Nekane's consent wasn't in the prologue, but Moshulel pointed out (in the very first response in this thread) the rather obvious problem of Negi - being a foreign national - wasn't subject to Japan's law in this regard. Hence why I went back (see the second response in this thread) and immediately added the bit about her having Negi entered into this program.

Hopefully, that covers everything. :sweat:

 

[zeebee1]

Negi should just move to the magical world. If Nekane is involved then he clearly has no reason to stay.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

The idea was probably pitched to Nekane as something significantly different from what they wound up doing. My guess is she was told something along the lines of "we've got a group of volunteers and he's not required to marry any of them" rather than "we're forcing a bunch of teenage girls to break off any relationships they might have and get engaged to a ten year-old, and if he chooses none of them they'll all be fined/imprisoned". At least some of the girls' parents were likely given false stories about what they were agreeing to as well.

 

[thezorch]

The idea was probably pitched to Nekane as something significantly different from what they wound up doing. My guess is she was told something along the lines of "we've got a group of volunteers and he's not required to marry any of them" rather than "we're forcing a bunch of teenage girls to break off any relationships they might have and get engaged to a ten year-old, and if he chooses none of them they'll all be fined/imprisoned". At least some of the girls' parents were likely given false stories about what they were agreeing to as well.

Yeah, the idea even in the anime it came from has a lot of holes in it. What's the justification for doing this and for taking such drastic action? It would have to be something pretty serious, or there really isn't any motivation behind it other than to setup a harem scenario.

Say its the aftermath of a plague that killed the majority of the men in the world. Its since been cured, but not before a significant number died and now there really aren't that many to go around, and Japan was hit especially hard. Desperate, the Japanese government abolishes monogamy and sets up a test program. So few viable male Japanese candidates are available so they without having any other choice they decide to go with a foreign boy who is already headed to Japan to take up a job as a teacher. That storyline idea would make a lot more sense.

In this case there is much more justification for such heavy handed tactics.

 

[Alzrius]

The idea was probably pitched to Nekane as something significantly different from what they wound up doing. My guess is she was told something along the lines of "we've got a group of volunteers and he's not required to marry any of them" rather than "we're forcing a bunch of teenage girls to break off any relationships they might have and get engaged to a ten year-old, and if he chooses none of them they'll all be fined/imprisoned". At least some of the girls' parents were likely given false stories about what they were agreeing to as well.

I didn't really think about the specifics of how the idea was explained to Nekane, since as I mentioned previously, including the bit with her having given her consent was added as an afterthought.

Having said that, I doubt she'd care too much even if she knew the whole truth - it's nothing that's overly cruel or burdensome, and she'd want Negi to be surrounded by nice girls anyway.

Also, the girls aren't going to be imprisoned one way or the other - and they'll only be fined if they're caught "cheating" (that is, doing anything that could be considered romantic with another boy). They certainly won't be punished if Negi doesn't pick them, or if they just decide to ignore him and go about their business.

You're probably right, however, in that the parents got a rather lopsided explanation, downplaying the details and playing up the cash bonus they get for signing their daughters up for the program.

Yeah, the idea even in the anime it came from has a lot of holes in it. What's the justification for doing this and for taking such drastic action? It would have to be something pretty serious, or there really isn't any motivation behind it other than to setup a harem scenario.

Apparently you didn't read my previous post, where I linked to the article that inspired the idea for this fic.

Japan's current population is roughly 120 million; by the year 2050 it will be 100 million. That will cause some fairly major social and economic problems. However, it's not like this is something that can be combated directly with government action - you can't force people to start reproducing at faster rates.

Hence, the government needs to find a way to entice/coerce people to show more interest in starting families. This program is a test run in that regard - it's basically trying to see if something similar to omiai's and arranged marriages can be run on a larger scale. Even if it fails, the government will have data on why, and how they should refine their methods in the future.

In regards to "drastic action," as I mentioned before, there's no real force or effect behind what's happening with Negi and his class - the only overt penalty that's being directed is a fine on the girls if they flirt with other boys, and that's really just supposed to act as a deterrent more than anything else.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

You could explain it as something the Emperor rambled about while drunk and some stupid bastards in the parliament took him seriously.

 

[thezorch]

You could explain it as something the Emperor rambled about while drunk and some stupid bastards in the parliament took him seriously.

Stupidity could indeed explain it.

In Japan's government is modeled after Grain Briton. Its a Democratic Monarchy. The Emperor and Imperial family have no real political power except in certain rare situations .... like the one going on in the UK right now. They're figure heads and act as ambassadors to other countries just like Queen Elizabeth does for England.

 

[Prince Charon]

You could explain it as something the Emperor rambled about while drunk and some stupid bastards in the parliament took him seriously.

Stupidity could indeed explain it.

In Japan's government is modeled after Grain Briton. Its a Democratic Monarchy. The Emperor and Imperial family have no real political power except in certain rare situations .... like the one going on in the UK right now. They're figure heads and act as ambassadors to other countries just like Queen Elizabeth does for England.

'Real' political power is a matter of opinion. The Emperor is very respected in Japan, and he most likely has more power in fact (if he should choose to use it) than he has by law.

 

[thezorch]

You could explain it as something the Emperor rambled about while drunk and some stupid bastards in the parliament took him seriously.

Stupidity could indeed explain it.

In Japan's government is modeled after Grain Briton. Its a Democratic Monarchy. The Emperor and Imperial family have no real political power except in certain rare situations .... like the one going on in the UK right now. They're figure heads and act as ambassadors to other countries just like Queen Elizabeth does for England.

'Real' political power is a matter of opinion. The Emperor is very respected in Japan, and he most likely has more power in fact (if he should choose to use it) than he has by law.

You're right about that.

 

[zeebee1]

I can see it now. Kamo shows up and convinces Negi that he's too young to commit. The next thing you know they're living with Jack Rakan.

 

[TenguPhule]

Less bitching, More writing!