Marvel-verse/DC-verse+To Aru Majutsu

[Reimu]

My point is simply that a crossover with Marvel necessitates either TRULY LUDICROUS amounts of broken on the crossed fandom or simply resigning oneself to the fact the crossed fandom will be a bunch of midcarders at best. For all that the ToAru cast has some broken abilities, making blanket statement like Index being the bane of ALL MAGIC USERS is stupid, because half of them aren't even pure magic users (Scarlet Witch uses a mix of magic and literally altering probability - it's the equivalent of making a rule up and then throwing a loaded dice guaranteed to give you a natural 20 and your opponent a natural 1), and the other half aren't even human, so what applies to HUMAN magic users probably amounts to a cheap parlor trick to them.

That's more or less all I'm saying. Barring extreme nerfing of Marvel or extreme wanking of ToAru, that's how it is, plain and simple.

You keep on saying that the marvel high tiers would crush index/railgun, which is true.

Yet people like Punisher, Spidey, and Captain America do just fine. Yeah Cap isn't going to punch Galactus out same as anyone else from Index, but the lower tiers of Marvel can hold their own just fine\ storywise. Stop wanking over the super power of the celestials, cosmics, etc.

 

[leeyiankun]

My point is simply that a crossover with Marvel necessitates either TRULY LUDICROUS amounts of broken on the crossed fandom or simply resigning oneself to the fact the crossed fandom will be a bunch of midcarders at best. For all that the ToAru cast has some broken abilities, making blanket statement like Index being the bane of ALL MAGIC USERS is stupid, because half of them aren't even pure magic users (Scarlet Witch uses a mix of magic and literally altering probability - it's the equivalent of making a rule up and then throwing a loaded dice guaranteed to give you a natural 20 and your opponent a natural 1), and the other half aren't even human, so what applies to HUMAN magic users probably amounts to a cheap parlor trick to them.

That's more or less all I'm saying. Barring extreme nerfing of Marvel or extreme wanking of ToAru, that's how it is, plain and simple.

After Punisher killed the Marvel universe, I stopped caring. Marvel is Broken, Greedy, and Ridiculous. Is there something new you like to add? :evil2:

And remember, Marvel vs Zombification? How did that turned out? Hah! even the mighty Galactus falls before the Greed machine!

Fact is, Marvel/DC plots ARE wanking. Their fans like to wank, and take part in 'Who vs Who' threads all of the time. Superman vs Sentry? Hulk vs Juggernaut? Done to death. Heck, Batman can take Hulk, even if it's impossible in every damn scenario. Wanking? get real! Comic IS Wanking! :snigger:

 

[Aegis]

My point is simply that a crossover with Marvel necessitates either TRULY LUDICROUS amounts of broken on the crossed fandom or simply resigning oneself to the fact the crossed fandom will be a bunch of midcarders at best. For all that the ToAru cast has some broken abilities, making blanket statement like Index being the bane of ALL MAGIC USERS is stupid, because half of them aren't even pure magic users (Scarlet Witch uses a mix of magic and literally altering probability - it's the equivalent of making a rule up and then throwing a loaded dice guaranteed to give you a natural 20 and your opponent a natural 1), and the other half aren't even human, so what applies to HUMAN magic users probably amounts to a cheap parlor trick to them.

That's more or less all I'm saying. Barring extreme nerfing of Marvel or extreme wanking of ToAru, that's how it is, plain and simple.

After Punisher killed the Marvel universe, I stopped caring. Marvel is Broken, Greedy, and Ridiculous. Is there something new you like to add? :evil2:

And remember, Marvel vs Zombification? How did that turned out? Hah! even the mighty Galactus falls before the Greed machine!

Fact is, Marvel/DC plots ARE wanking. Their fans like to wank, and take part in 'Who vs Who' threads all of the time. Superman vs Sentry? Hulk vs Juggernaut? Done to death. Heck, Batman can take Hulk, even if it's impossible in every damn scenario. Wanking? get real! Comic IS Wanking! :snigger:

On the bright side if this crossover doesn't work out, I can always simply use Empowered, oh yeah you heard me :snigger:

@Shad:

I'm working slowly on the snippet but Real Life is taking over, thanks to protests I don't even have X-mas break )=

 

[GenocideHeart]

You keep on saying that the marvel high tiers would crush index/railgun, which is true.

Yet people like Punisher, Spidey, and Captain America do just fine.? Yeah Cap isn't going to punch Galactus out same as anyone else from Index, but the lower tiers of Marvel can hold their own just fine\ storywise.? Stop wanking over the super power of the celestials, cosmics, etc.

The first and only time the Punisher faced one of the high tiers on Marvel Earth (Dr. Doom), he got his ass handed to him so BADLY it wasn't funny. Punisher stays OUT of the major villains' way SPECIFICALLY because he knows it's suicidal to attack them head on with just guns. He didn't even try to attack Magneto when he came across him, because as he said, while he may be a cold blooded executioner of the wicked, he's not STUPID, and attacking mags with regular guns? That's Darwin Award worthy.

Ironically, the Punisher would probably assassinate 90% of the ToAru cast simply because of how he handles fights. For all that they are very strong against supernatural powers, something as crude and barbaric as a fully-automatic heavy machinegun would mulch most of them, notably Touma. And a boobytrapped door would still make most of them chunky salsa on the nearet wall. Kinda funny, since Punisher is basically a baseline human with entirely too many guns, military training, knowledge of how to lay traps and ambushes and a seriously murderous streak.

As for Captain America, the only reason why he can hang with the big boys at all is because he wears a goddamn American flag. THAT's the real source of his power - anybody who made him out for the relatively shitty character he is (he basically is as strong as humanly possible in all physical departments - not a big help when most people in Marvel are STRONGER than humanly possible and should, by all right, paste Steve) would be fired instantly. Because it's FUCK YEAH CAPTAIN AMERICAAAAA!!! :sweat2:

Jobbing aura. That's the only reason Cap amounts as anything more than a low-tier. Like that one time he parried one of Thor's Mjolnir blows with his shield. Hello? Even with the shield absorbing the shock, he should have been flung through the nearest wall and been crushed into a stain.

As for Spiderman, a large part of why he wins is because his own enemies are something he CAN handle. When he fought someone entirely out of his league (Juggernaut), he more or less got tooled the whole time. And both fans and Marvel pretend that massive failure with Firelord never happened (it has in fact been retconned out of the Marvelverse).

Generally, the street levelers remain at their own level. They don't go around punching out heralds of Galactus in their free time like the top tiers do. That's how they manage to 'do fine'.

And remember, Marvel vs Zombification? How did that turned out? Hah! even the mighty Galactus falls before the Greed machine!

Let's be fair now: Marvel Zombies didn't take itself seriously in the beginning. When it started to be SRIZ BIZNESS (hi, Midnight Sons!), sales BOMBED. It sold best when it was just a zany zombie story that was as hilarious to read as it was disturbing.

Lol Machine Man perving while fixing a spread-legged Jocasta. That's when Marvel Zombies is at its best - not being serious.

 

[Aegis]

About Captain America. I REALLY wanna see him and Gunha duke it out just for the hell of it XD.

And about The Punisher, I'm sorry but he might be able to reach and take out anything up to Neutral B-Rank threat, C-Rank being the lowest level of the known characters. We've stated multiple times already that yes, Touma WOULD get his shit beaten in against normals and has little to no chance. And of COURSE an unarmed high-schooler would loose against a fucking overly armed avenging adult of doom!

But since the Punisher is too good for the To Aru cast apparently, I'll give you a list and I want you to tell me just who from the cast you're saying he'll win against.(And explain how, please or I'll become confuzed and it damn well better be 90% of the cast like you said. No bullshit either, I want it explained to me how an a bit above average human would kill them all)


Tier 0

Aiwass

Tier 1

Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel

Tier 2

Sasha Kruezhev (Under Gabriel power)
Kazakiri Hyouka (Fuze=Kazakiri Mode)

Tier 3

Aleister Crowley
Fiama of the Right
Index- Johhan's Pen Mode
Laura Stuard - she really has no feats, but she is likely tier 3 or 4.
Awakened Accelerator

Tier 4

Aqua of the back (full power)
Aureolus Izzard
Aurrelus
Carrisa (with Curtana) - only in england. Curtana won't work outside england.
Queen Elizard's (with Curtana) - only in england. Curtana won't work outside england.

Tier 5

Accelerator
Knight Leader(The Grandmaster) (He should be tier 4 but he has to many restrictions)
The Pope
Vent of the Front (Full power)
Terra of the Left
Maiden of Versalles

Tier 6

Saints
Kanzaki Kaori
Silvia
Kamijou Touma - Likely tier 5 or 6.(Only applicable in comparative powers and as stated he will obviously loose)

Tier 7
Styil Magnus
Tsuchimikado Motoharu(his ability is not dying =D)
Itsuwa
Etzali
Gunha(Captain Japan)
Kakine Teitoku
Vent of the Front (No Divine punishment or the queen of adriatic sea)
Misaka
Mugino
Awaki Musujime
Kiyama Harumi (with Multiskill)
The Queen Of Tokiwadai
Misaka Worst (with battle gear)
Oriana Thompson
Sherry Cromwell
Takitsubo Rikou
Tatemiya Saiji
Knights of England


Tier 8
Shirai Kuroko
Angelene
Anieze Sanctis
Frenda
Izahaya
Kihara Amata
Kinuhata Saiai
Kongou_Mitsuko
Lessar (Not Sure)
Luccia
Misaka Sisters
Last Order



Tier 9
Komaba Ritoku - First leader of skill out
Hazamura
Hattori Hanzou
Kaitabi Hatsuya - The Graviton Bomber
Kuruwa


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In testament to Frank Castle's skills

 

[Lord Raine]

making blanket statement like Index being the bane of ALL MAGIC USERS is stupid, because half of them aren't even pure magic users (Scarlet Witch uses a mix of magic and literally altering probability - it's the equivalent of making a rule up and then throwing a loaded dice guaranteed to give you a natural 20 and your opponent a natural 1), and the other half aren't even human, so what applies to HUMAN magic users probably amounts to a cheap parlor trick to them.

And yet you're doing the exact opposite, making a blanket statement against it. What evidence do you have that the Index wouldn't function against the magic users of the Marvelverse? If it's a magic nullifier, it nullifies magic. End of story. Unless there are Marvel characters who are confirmed to be capable of using magic even when their magic isn't supposed to work, it works on them. Any characters that have bullshat that, get to bullshit it here.

Also, the Punisher? Don't make me laugh. He's a normal human who is pissed. His capacity to kill things is variable to the wankery of the person writing him. He's either where he should be (the level of a normal human, not that different from where unwanked Batman would be), or he's capable of murdering the entire universe. There's so much raw bullshit in his character that the fact that you'd even cite him as an example is laughable. He's a Normal with a chip on his shoulder, nothing more. Deal with it.

 

[Shaderic]

Do you really need to know this?

Marvel's powered by greed and wank, this has been explained. The Punisher could get magic bullets or something, that would only be useful for that one arc, if he really needed them.

Anyway, I. Want. Story. Not Marvel wanking. No To Aru wanking.

Story.

Write a snippet, give an idea, SOMETHING.

Because I HATE just 'Hai gaiz! Let's Xross these!' plans. STORY. Even just an idea. SOMETHING.

EDIT
LR ninja'ed me. But captured my feelings anyway. Despite his screw up. He means Imagination Breaker, not Index.

 

[Aegis]

Do you really need to know this?

Marvel's powered by greed and wank, this has been explained. The Punisher could get magic bullets or something, that would only be useful for that one arc, if he really needed them.

Anyway, I. Want. Story. Not Marvel wanking. No To Aru wanking.

Story.

Write a snippet, give an idea, SOMETHING.

Because I HATE just 'Hai gaiz! Let's Xross these!' plans. STORY. Even just an idea. SOMETHING.

EDIT
LR ninja'ed me. But captured my feelings anyway. Despite his screw up. He means Imagination Breaker, not Index.

Um, I think LR Means Index's Hell fear and I think you mean Imagine Breaker

 

[Lord Raine]

Imagine Breaker is arguably even worse. It disrupts magic and spiritual powers. Depending on how you interpret some powers/what canon you go with, Imagine Breaker alone could potentially rape two thirds of the Marvel/DC cast.

 

[Aegis]

Imagine Breaker is arguably even worse. It disrupts magic and spiritual powers. Depending on how you interpret some powers/what canon you go with, Imagine Breaker alone could potentially rape two thirds of the Marvel/DC cast.

Especially anyone with the gifts of extreme luck and immortality

 

[GenocideHeart]

In testament to Frank Castle's skills

That same little girl there knocked Wolverine 70 feet in the air and embedded him into a wall with a right hook, giving him a concussion and knocking him unconscious. This is the same mutant who has an adamantium skeleton and can take hits from Colossus without being smeared.

The fact Frank got tooled by her is hardly something he should be ashamed of. Molly Hayes is STRONG. Getting punched by her HURTS. A lot. Just ask Logan.

Just to clarify why using that image as proof of anything spectacularly fails. If anything, the fact Frank's not coughing up blood right there's a testament to his strength. Most other baseline humans would not have a stomach anymore.

That said, who Frank can and can't kill varies depending on what weapons he gets his hands on for the occasion. At various points in time, he got his mitts on antimatter grenades, microblackhole grenades (he swiped those off SHIELD; for the record), gamma lasers and even a fucking ICBM loaded with a neutron bomb.

When dealing with the Punisher, as a rule, if he actually *has* something that CAN kill it, he generally kills it. He also tends to get horrifically fucked up in the process, but he hardly cares. So, in Frank's case, whether he can kill someone admittedly depends on what equipment you let him have. But if you give him something that can kill someone, then he will almost certainly kill that someone. He's very good at that whole 'kill people until they die' thing.

That sums up how I view Punisher.

And yet you're doing the exact opposite, making a blanket statement against it. What evidence do you have that the Index wouldn't function against the magic users of the Marvelverse? If it's a magic nullifier, it nullifies magic. End of story. Unless there are Marvel characters who are confirmed to be capable of using magic even when their magic isn't supposed to work, it works on them. Any characters that have bullshat that, get to bullshit it here.

Except that Hell Fear works through a type of mind alteration, as recently revealed. You are assuming beings like Dormammu, whose mind is so alien it's completely incomprehensible to mortals (just ask Xavier, who was knocked in a coma when he tried to mindscan him and found out the hard way that's a phenomenally stupid idea), would be vulnerable to that. As they dn't have mortal minds to begin with, I doubt it.

I can concede it pwning regular magic users like Dr. Druid and Brother Voodoo pre-Sorcerer Supreme, but not, say, Dr. Doom (who can and will simply nuke Index with his, y'know, horrifically high tech armor full of more or less lethal weaponry - you think he is stupid enough to put all his eggs in one basket?) or God forbid the Scarlet Witch (whose magic power could, in fact, be blocked - but whose power to affect probability is a mutant power, and can - and will - shut down Hell Fear entirely, thus freeing her to use magic again. Doesn't it suck when someone can stop your stopper?).

And don't tell me she can't disable Hell Fear - she regularly causes the powers of people far, far stronger than she is to misfire or stop working entirely, so she has precedent for her hex power disabling opponents that she shouldn't be able to touch.

 

[leeyiankun]

We must concede that no amount of explanation will help GenocideHeart understand this topic beyond 'Marvel/DC pawns all'. So unless the story ends in 'Doom crack Touma's skull' or 'Galactus dismiss puny Index's power' or 'Punisher frags Touma' = THE END. We might just have to ignore him. :huh.:

Back to the topic, I still think we should start with the magic portion and go from there. Comic Magic users are often easier to understand, and down to earth than their Abnormal/Mutant/Meta counterpart. Aside from Scarlet witch, who had been turned into a plot device, I guess we can safely use the Magic world and draw up a decent story in it. I like DC's version more than Marvel though, Vertigo did a great job of painting the magical realm of it. That, and I'm a huge fan of Gaiman's Book of Magic. :evil2:

 

[Aegis]

We must concede that no amount of explanation will help GenocideHeart understand this topic beyond 'Marvel/DC pawns all'. So unless the story ends in 'Doom crack Touma's skull' or 'Galactus dismiss puny Index's power' or 'Punisher frags Touma' = THE END. We might just have to ignore him.? :huh.:

Back to the topic, I still think we should start with the magic portion and go from there. Comic Magic users are often easier to understand, and down to earth than their Abnormal/Mutant/Meta counterpart. Aside from Scarlet witch, who had been turned into a plot device, I guess we can safely use the Magic world and draw up a decent story in it. I like DC's version more than Marvel though, Vertigo did a great job of painting the magical realm of it. That, and I'm a huge fan of Gaiman's Book of Magic.? :evil2:

Good! The topic! At last! And yes, I think your take on it is pretty much spot on. I was gonna make an argument for the above, but to be honest I'll just get back to topic with ya XD.

Can you list me some good magic users so I can see what they can do?

Also, Shad, you'll have to wait on the snippet till I at least decide on a -verse. Which thanks to the ping-ponging has yet to be decided at all.

 

[GenocideHeart]

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Druid' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Druid</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Strange_%28Stephen_Strange%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Strange_...phen_Strange%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Adversary' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Adversary</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Doom_%28Victor_von_Doom%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Doom_%28Victor_von_Doom%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Voodoo_%28Jericho_Drumm%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Voodoo_%28Jericho_Drumm%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Dreamqueen' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Dreamqueen</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Dormammu' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Dormammu</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Dracula' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Dracula</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Enchantress_%28Amora%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Enchantress_%28Amora%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Belasco' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Belasco</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Magik_%28Illyana_Rasputin%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Magik_%28Illyana_Rasputin%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/D%27Spayre' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/D%27Spayre</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Chthon' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Chthon</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Lilith_%28Mother_Of_Demons%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Lilith_%28Mother_Of_Demons%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Loki' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Loki</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Lorelei_%28Asgardian%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Lorelei_%28Asgardian%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Mandarin%27s_Rings' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Mandarin%27s_Rings</a> (refer to the Mandarin for the character himself)

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Man-Thing' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Man-Thing</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Mephisto' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Mephisto</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Meggan' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Meggan</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Mikaboshi' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Mikaboshi</a> (yes, that's Amatsu-Mikaboshi, a major Shinto god)

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Modred_the_Mystic' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Modred_the_Mystic</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Morgan_Le_Fay' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Morgan_Le_Fay</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Nightmare' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Nightmare</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Spiral_%28Rita_Wayword%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Spiral_%28Rita_Wayword%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Pandemonia' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Pandemonia</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Roma' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Roma</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Salom%C3%A9' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Salom%C3%A9</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Satana' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Satana</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Scarlet_Witch_%28Wanda_Maximoff%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Scarlet_Witch_%...nda_Maximoff%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Selene' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Selene</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Shuma-Gorath' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Shuma-Gorath</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Zom' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Zom</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Snowbird' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Snowbird</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Szardos,_Margali' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Szardos,_Margali</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Seth' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Seth</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_%28Thor_Odinson%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_%28Thor_Odinson%29</a> (obviously)

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Those_Who_Sit_Above_In_Shadow' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Those_Who_Sit_Above_In_Shadow</a>

<a href='http://marvel.wikia.com/Zvilpogghua_%28Earth-1610%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.wikia.com/Zvilpogghua_%28Earth-1610%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Umar' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Umar</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Valkyrie_%28Brunnhilde%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Valkyrie_%28Brunnhilde%29</a>

<a href='http://marvel.com/universe/Zarathos' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://marvel.com/universe/Zarathos</a>

These are a few of the magic users in Marvel. Should be a starting point.

 

[Aegis]

A small DC list would help too, anybody got that?

@GH

Thanks for the list.

I've decided to write up a snippet for both verses. It'll take longer but getting a grasp of what I can do with both will be a good experience

 

[Aegis]

I just found this horrible horrible raep.

 

[sytang]

Marvel-verse has Squirrel Girl.

Marvel wins.

 

[Aegis]

Marvel-verse has Squirrel Girl.

Marvel wins.

Touma's Imagine Breaker has a gift for marvel this Christmas, it's called the loss of luck.


Everyone looses

 

[A Curious Stranger]

...I don't think you understand how Squirrel Girl works. She always wins. It's a fact of life.

The sky is blue, the sun shines, Squirrel Girl kicks your ass.

 

[Aegis]

...I don't think you understand how Squirrel Girl works. She always wins. It's a fact of life.

The sky is blue, the sun shines, Squirrel Girl kicks your ass.

Lol, no

 

[Reimu]

...I don't think you understand how Squirrel Girl works. She always wins. It's a fact of life.

The sky is blue, the sun shines, Squirrel Girl kicks your ass.

only if it's off panel.

 

[Prince Charon]

It depends on the writer, but on a semi-absolute scale, the top-tier Marvel/DC characters will generally win by the power of HAX. Low- and mid-tier characters are another matter.

The problem is, Toaru has actual explanations for how things work, whereas comic books often go 'mortal minds cannot comprehend the starkly eldritch power of True Magic' or whatever.

Really, if you want to write Index, Touma, and/or Accelerator pwning Dormmamu and Darkseid in one go, feel free, just be prepared to have a lot of people telling you why it won't work, with varying degrees of sanity and nerdrage.

 

[wingthesword]

Hey since Touma is meant to seal that whatever, and IB nulls magic and esp, does that mean that the being sealed by him has both?

 

[Aegis]

Hey since Touma is meant to seal that whatever, and IB nulls magic and esp, does that mean that the being sealed by him has both?

Huh? What are you talking about?

 

[GenocideHeart]

Really, if you want to write Index, Touma, and/or Accelerator pwning Dormmamu and Darkseid in one go, feel free, just be prepared to have a lot of people telling you why it won't work, with varying degrees of sanity and nerdrage.

To be fair, the only Darkseid anyone gets to pwn even in-universe is Jobberseid, ie, Darkseid while under massive plot induced stupidity/conveniently 'forgetting' his actual power. When Darkseid actually, y'know, isn't hugging the idiot ball, he can more or less solo the entire Justice League before breakfast and still have spare time to dress the Green Lantern corps in drag and pimp them out on a street corner just to rub it in.

It does help that he's practically the living incarnation of oblivion - his Omega Effect is, to put it simply, the power to CEASE. The only thing it does is end whatever it touches, up to and including conceptualized weaponry (for the uneducated, weapons made of I BELIEVE).

That said, things like the Presence and the Great Evil Beast are more powerful than even Darkseid...