Marvel-verse/DC-verse+To Aru Majutsu

[leeyiankun]

They're just putting square pegs into round holes, and sell it to the mass as 'Kewl' for profit.

And putting words in your mouth isn't as offensive as the 'I'm older than U' argument you're using, and not even as dumb. Do you know how old the person you're conversing with is, before you make that statement?

But enough of the childish remarks. Let's get back to the topic. Fitting To Aru into a comic style world. You already raise the issue with the difference in concept and interpretation of science/magic of To Aru from a typical Marvel/DC verse. So can it really be done from a comic perspective without all the wanking?

Super Robot is a good example, seeing that it descend into the mess that it is(still fun,though!). But I see it like 'A bunch of sports legend from hundreds of sports, and put them into one field, playing their respective game. Then have you judge who is the baddest of them all.' Yes, that make no sense. It's the same problem you'll face, when jamming To Aru ideals into Marvel/DC. It will not work, as is. :huh.:

PS, actually, the Almagam comic ending is the only solution for such things. We're both Kewl!!! Which is so retarded, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Aegis]

They're just putting square pegs into round holes, and sell it to the mass as 'Kewl' for profit.

And putting words in your mouth isn't as offensive as the 'I'm older than U' argument you're using, and not even as dumb. Do you know how old the person you're conversing with is, before you make that statement?

But enough of the childish remarks. Let's get back to the topic. Fitting To Aru into a comic style world. You already raise the issue with the difference in concept and interpretation of science/magic of To Aru from a typical Marvel/DC verse. So can it really be done from a comic perspective without all the wanking?

Super Robot is a good example, seeing that it descend into the mess that it is(still fun,though!). But I see it like 'A bunch of sports legend from hundreds of sports, and put them into one field, playing their respective game. Then have you judge who is the baddest of them all.' Yes, that make no sense. It's the same problem you'll face, when jamming To Aru ideals into Marvel/DC. It will not work, as is. :huh.:

PS, actually, the Almagam comic ending is the only solution for such things. We're both Kewl!!! Which is so retarded, no matter how you look at it.

So basically it's impossible to do a fanfic since both sides will complain then?

 

[leeyiankun]

So basically it's impossible to do a fanfic since both sides will complain then?

Well, you can do what Marve/DC did, and made a new universe with rules that will benefit both and not over/under power both too much.

But, as is? Yes. Because the concept is too vastly different in their explanation. We need a common ground rule first. Or at least, explain both in a way that fits in the same world.

 

[Aegis]

So basically it's impossible to do a fanfic since both sides will complain then?

Well, you can do what Marve/DC did, and made a new universe with rules that will benefit both and not over/under power both too much.

But, as is? Yes.

Well, that kind of was the idea. To make a -verse with rules that could apply to both and at the same time not demean either of them to the point of fanwanking the other too much.(because no matter what I do there WILL be a part of me that favors X over Y). Would you mind helping me out with the rules and limits? You seem to know enough about both of the topics. I only know enough about ToAru

 

[leeyiankun]

So basically it's impossible to do a fanfic since both sides will complain then?

Well, you can do what Marve/DC did, and made a new universe with rules that will benefit both and not over/under power both too much.

But, as is? Yes.

Well, that kind of was the idea. To make a -verse with rules that could apply to both and at the same time not demean either of them to the point of fanwanking the other too much.(because no matter what I do there WILL be a part of me that favors X over Y). Would you mind helping me out with the rules and limits? You seem to know enough about both of the topics. I only know enough about ToAru

I was kind of hoping to get GH to lend his help, unfortunately that needed him to know more about To Aru beyond season I. And my social skills apparently lead to the debate above.

Still, even if some would say that injecting Touma into a magical society is what we wanted to avoid. I would say that it is still familiar territory and would provide enough grounds to start from. Magic is somewhat constant. Because it is extended from superstitions in RL, unlike normal comic powers, which is pure imagination.

 

[Aegis]

So basically it's impossible to do a fanfic since both sides will complain then?

Well, you can do what Marve/DC did, and made a new universe with rules that will benefit both and not over/under power both too much.

But, as is? Yes.

Well, that kind of was the idea. To make a -verse with rules that could apply to both and at the same time not demean either of them to the point of fanwanking the other too much.(because no matter what I do there WILL be a part of me that favors X over Y). Would you mind helping me out with the rules and limits? You seem to know enough about both of the topics. I only know enough about ToAru

I was kind of hoping to get GH to lend his help, unfortunately that needed him to know more about To Aru beyond season I. And my social skills apparently lead to the debate above.

Still, even if some would say that injecting Touma into a magical society is what we wanted to avoid. I would say that it is still familiar territory and would provide enough grounds to start from. Magic is somewhat constant. Because it is extended from superstitions in RL, unlike normal comic powers, which is pure imagination.

I don't mind your social skills and debates are good either way. Any input you've got is good input lol. It's too bad my knowledge on comics is so damn limited :sweat2:

 

[ZeroForever]

LOL the arguments pretty much read

you don't know enough about marvel!!!! FANNN WANK vs
you don't know enough about to aru!!!!! FANNN WANK

seriously... to aru gets pretty inane power level wise but american comics like marvel upper levels characters are designed to be universe and multi dimensional ending beings. Touma might reach a level greater then a god (as given by his name) but in marvel there's thousnads of such characters types already walking around trolling the multi-verse.

simply put... it's impossible to get higher then marvel because marvels will intentionally retcon something stronger.
Also the strongest character is implicitly stated to be the RL artists/company thus kicking the 4th wall to the curb.
Marvel as a company >>>>>> Kazuma Kamachi and ASCII Media Works, both in wealth, size, etc.. (marvel is owned by disney you don't get much bigger then disney...)

 

[leeyiankun]

LOL the arguments pretty much read

you don't know enough about marvel!!!! FANNN WANK vs
you don't know enough about to aru!!!!! FANNN WANK

seriously... to aru gets pretty inane power level wise but american comics like marvel upper levels characters are designed to be universe and multi dimensional ending beings. Touma might reach a level greater then a god (as given by his name) but in marvel there's thousnads of such characters types already walking around trolling the multi-verse.

simply put... it's impossible to get higher then marvel because marvels will intentionally retcon something stronger.
Also the strongest character is implicitly stated to be the RL artists/company thus kicking the 4th wall to the curb.
Marvel as a company >>>>>>? Kazuma Kamachi and ASCII Media Works, both in wealth, size, etc.. (marvel is owned by disney you don't get much bigger then disney...)

Wait, does that mean Mickey is an Eldritch Horror? I knew there was something wrong with that evil mouse ever since I was a kid! :evil2:

Logic: Disney > Marvel
Mickey> ?

 

[GenocideHeart]

They're just putting square pegs into round holes, and sell it to the mass as 'Kewl' for profit.

And putting words in your mouth isn't as offensive as the 'I'm older than U' argument you're using, and not even as dumb. Do you know how old the person you're conversing with is, before you make that statement?

*pointedly looks at your profile that blatantly states your birthdate*

You know, when YOUR DATE OF BIRTH IS CLEARLY STATED IN YOUR PROFILE, saying something like 'do you even know how old the person before you is?' is not only silly, it makes you look slow-witted. Double check to make sure your birthdate isn't, y'know, available for public viewing before saying something like that.

For the record, I myself had no idea that Marvel used to have separate series until my grandfather told me as much - and the man's been a fan since Day One. I always thought the Marvelverse existed in its current form to begin with.

Given how you are 31, and I am only one year older than you, not only am I, in fact, older than you, even of only by a little, but you ARE, for the most part, too young to know this unless you did some serious digging. Which you don't seem to have done, or you'd know that the reason why Marvel continuity is a mess is that it was never meant to be a single universe to begin with. It just... happened, and Marvel has been riding the wave ever since, with variable results.

Just saying... trying to guilt trip and reverse psych me here won't work. I DID take a look at your profile. :sweat2:

Unless you lied about your age, in which case why the hell should I be blamed for someone else being a compulsive liar? :sweat2:

Moving on...

PS, actually, the Almagam comic ending is the only solution for such things. We're both Kewl!!! Which is so retarded, no matter how you look at it.

Amalgam was an abomination. Dr. Doomsday? Seriously?

Still, even if some would say that injecting Touma into a magical society is what we wanted to avoid. I would say that it is still familiar territory and would provide enough grounds to start from. Magic is somewhat constant. Because it is extended from superstitions in RL, unlike normal comic powers, which is pure imagination.

Except when the source of your magic is a cosmic entity to begin with. Wanda and Chthon are such an example - as an Elder God, Chthon is basically chaos incarnate. The power radiating from his mere presence (he currently is basically pulling a Cthulhu under Wundagore Mountain, which is where Wanda was born, hence why she's infused with his power) is what ends up being magic.

All magic in the Marvel universe tends to come from multiversal-class cosmic entities such as Chthon, Dormammu, Those Who Sit Above In Shadow (who are basically the gods of ASGARD, to clarify - yes, they are monstrously powerful entities whom Asgardian gods regard as gods themselves, and who are the source of nearly all Asgardian powers, with the notable exception being whoever wields the Odinforce)...

And in turn, lesser entities can grant part of their own power to entities below them.

For instance, Galactus's source of power is the Power Cosmic, which is an aspect of The One Above All (there's a reason why the material executor of TOAA's will is the Living Tribunal, and one of its three faces is, in fact, Galactus's). In turn, Galactus can bestow a fraction of his Power Cosmic unto his heralds, which are practically divine beings in their own right - when they first met the Silver Surfer, the F4 even commented that to an average mind, he'd look like a god.

It's sort of a pyramid scheme from Hell. And taking out one of the lesser beings will just attract the attention of the source of its powers, which is another good reason to keep interaction between the ToAru cast and those relatively lesser beings to a minimum.

Hell, Dr. Strange makes a point of telling people who end up involved to get the hell out because he KNOWS that they will just make things worse by pissing off the wrong "I flick a booger and your world becomes a mass of rotting mush" eldritch abomination... You don't really want to say Imagine Breaker worked on Silver Surfer, only to have a pissed off Galactus show up and blow the planet to itty bitty pieces in retaliation for you disabling his food gatherer, do you?

Wait, does that mean Mickey is an Eldritch Horror? I knew there was something wrong with that evil mouse ever since I was a kid!

You realized it only now? I thought that Mickey being in Kingdom Hearts and dressing up like a fucking Sith would make it blatantly obvious. He's not your friend. He's merely using you to keep the world warm until he smites you and takes it over! IT'S A CONSPIRACY I TELL YOU!! h43r:

 

[GenocideHeart]

One more thing:

Spell Intercept (???? (??????????) Ky?sei Eish??, lit. "Force Chant"), it uses notalicon codes to hijack the spell formula that the caster has been conjuring in their head and causes the magic to go berserk or be outright cancelled. Index used this ability against Sherry Cromwell's golem and to save Last Order from the computer virus that forced her to manifest 'FUSE=Kazakiri'.


Hell Fear
(???? (????????) Mahoro no Sh? ?, lit. "Voice of Destruction of Evil"), is an ability that points out and impeaches the contradiction of the basis of the religion or theory of magic that has been cast and causes a break down in the enemies mind.[8]

All things said, they are both fairly useless in the face of top tier magic users like Dormammu, who are also magical beings themselves. Why? Because they don't simply wield magic, they ARE magic. There's no casting or bringing spells to mind for them, and they don't base themselves on any texts or anything like that, because they quite literally predate and far surpass anything in any books anywhere you can find in the Marvelverse. Magical texts in the Marvelverse are pallid attempts to replicate such entities' powers.

On top of that, there's no contradiction to exploit in them, because being the source of magic itself, it's kind of like pretending to know more about them than they themselves do without ever having met them in person.

For reference, Dr. Strange's first confrontation with Dormammu was catastrophic, because he attempted to use magic from human books. Dormammu quite literally laughed at him, and told him that all the mystical knowledge in those tomes was a mere fraction of what creatures such as he, who are the source of all magic, are capable of - and unlike humans, to them magic is the same as breathing. He then proceeded to drive the point home by effortlessly countering everything Strange did and stomping him flat, nearly killing him, only letting him go due to pure contempt at the puny thing before him.

Strange had to track down a rival entity, get its backing and power, gather an ancient artifact made by gods and designed to block creatures like Dormammu from entering the mortal plane (among other things - it's his Eye of Agamotto, who is a remarkable tool what with all the stuff it can do), and lure Dormammu into a trap - and even then, he just barely managed to drive him away and reestabilish the seal preventing him from entering Earth.

Just to clarify on what ludicrous level major magical entities are in the Marvelverse... Index can't do much due to the nature of their magical power and, more importantly, the exact wording of how HER power works. It's not something 'borrowed', they are the source to begin with. It's like trying to stop an avalanche with a tiny fishing net.

Against more conventional magic users who aren't Dr. Strange (because even if she could mess with him, he's got other things in store that she just plain can't deal with), such as Dr. Voodoo pre-Sorcerer Supreme, Index would be a threat. But that's the fodder level ones. For all that Strange and his brethren succeeded in protecting Earth from demonic threats, a large part of it is that the demons care more about fighting among each other than about annihilating the mortal plane, and their arrogant superiority complex also helps a lot.

At least, that was always how I interpreted Index's power to work. Of course, she never quite faced something that, for all intents and purposes, IS raw, primeval magic with a solid body and a consciousness, so we really don't have a way of knowing how she'd fare in that situation...

 

[leeyiankun]

You don't really want to say Imagine Breaker worked on Silver Surfer, only to have a pissed off Galactus show up and blow the planet to itty bitty pieces in retaliation for you disabling his food gatherer, do you?

It didn't work like that on Planet Hulk, did it?

At least, that was always how I interpreted Index's power to work.

Now we're getting to the point. You see, magical books in To Aru doesn't work like ones in Marvel, do they? Seeing as even one can incapacitate another magician in an instant that he tried to access it. My take is that the books are something more, than just text. They're an elder being's power replicated for human use, with aspects that defies the mind. And there are over 103,000 of them. Even if it's a single drop(wonder how can resurrection/immortality be classified as insignificant), 103,000 isn't a number to scoff at.

Your attempt at dragging in the Upper tier of beings to participate in what should amount to a local deity pissing contest is a result of Marvel's failed story writing.

It's like you and your classmate in kindergarten were doing their best to show off your assignment, but when the other guy fails? He bring in his dad/ his dad's lawyer/his dad's lawyer's friend and so on. Why would they even bother to? If you're so 'insignificant' in the first place?

I always think Marvel/DC was a bit of a egoist, How many number of powers were converging on planet EARTH again? It's like a favorite playground. You'd think with the sheer number of deities/beings on our planet, there'd be no one stupid enough to attempt an invasion. :no:

In a place where the random guy can go blow up the world, provided he has luck(mutant powers=lottery) and access to some weird sh*t. Must be a cruel world to live in. Don't know when you're going to die. Where every robber/mugger had chances to access to tech from the stars, to turn you into goo by pressing a button wrong. Where the nerd you bullied, can harbor a silly grudge, and get back at you with something worse than you own imagination.

The fact is, Marvel/DC is such a random place. How they even get through day by day is a miracle in itself. The planet should have blown up from the sheer number of eldritch horrors interested in it looooooooog time ago. Yet, only Author pow3r keep it going. Earth is either disneyland in disguise, or a reality show for the bored deities.

The superhero world was already broken before you taken into account all the magic and extra-dimesional beings. And they keep on adding more and moar to it.

Unless you lied about your age, in which case why the hell should I be blamed for someone else being a compulsive liar?

That is true, but 79 was a good year. And isn't the date a bit suspicious? :snigger:

 

[ttestagr]

Galactus has shown up when people have messed with the Surfer before. Specifically when Doom stole the power cosmic from him. Its basically if someone negates an action that he took the time and effort to accomplish, Galactus shows up because he did not declare that to be and he's going to waste you for disrespecting him like that.

Other high end cosmics have similar mentalities.

 

[Aegis]

You don't really want to say Imagine Breaker worked on Silver Surfer, only to have a pissed off Galactus show up and blow the planet to itty bitty pieces in retaliation for you disabling his food gatherer, do you?

It didn't work like that on Planet Hulk, did it?

At least, that was always how I interpreted Index's power to work.

Now we're getting to the point. You see, magical books in To Aru doesn't work like ones in Marvel, do they? Seeing as even one can incapacitate another magician in an instant that he tried to access it. My take is that the books are something more, than just text. They're an elder being's power replicated for human use, with aspects that defies the mind. And there are over 103,000 of them. Even if it's a single drop(wonder how can resurrection/immortality be classified as insignificant), 103,000 isn't a number to scoff at.

Your attempt at dragging in the Upper tier of beings to participate in what should amount to a local deity pissing contest is a result of Marvel's failed story writing.

It's like you and your classmate in kindergarten were doing their best to show off your assignment, but when the other guy fails? He bring in his dad/ his dad's lawyer/his dad's lawyer's friend and so on. Why would they even bother to? If you're so 'insignificant' in the first place?

I always think Marvel/DC was a bit of a egoist, How many number of powers were converging on planet EARTH again? It's like a favorite playground. You'd think with the sheer number of deities/beings on our planet, there'd be no one stupid enough to attempt an invasion. :no:

In a place where the random guy can go blow up the world, provided he has luck(mutant powers=lottery) and access to some weird sh*t. Must be a cruel world to live in. Don't know when you're going to die. Where every robber/mugger had chances to access to tech from the stars, to turn you into goo by pressing a button wrong. Where the nerd you bullied, can harbor a silly grudge, and get back at you with something worse than you own imagination.

The fact is, Marvel/DC is such a random place. How they even get through day by day is a miracle in itself. The planet should have blown up from the sheer number of eldritch horrors interested in it looooooooog time ago. Yet, only Author pow3r keep it going. Earth is either disneyland in disguise, or a reality show for the bored deities.

The superhero world was already broken before you taken into account all the magic and extra-dimesional beings. And they keep on adding more and moar to it.

Unless you lied about your age, in which case why the hell should I be blamed for someone else being a compulsive liar?

That is true, but 79 was a good year. And isn't the date a bit suspicious? :snigger:

The Texts in To Aru KILL their own users, they are literally independent, semi-sentient, power-hungry beings that devour you, that alone should let anyone just how dangerous messing with one of them is.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

In light of that, the fact Marvel managed to make a cohesive universe from a bunch of different, once-separated series is nothing short of amazing.

Cohesive? Really? Granted I don't know nearly enough about the worlds in general, but the more I hear about the shenanigans that go on, the more I wonder why our earth hasn't been vaporized yet with all those powerful baddies running around. Though granted they tend to get away with it by destroying other worlds parallel to our own from what I heard (or was that DC? Hard to tell actually...) so eh... >>

I suppose it's one of those things you'd have to follow consistently to get. :mellow:

 

[Aegis]

In light of that, the fact Marvel managed to make a cohesive universe from a bunch of different, once-separated series is nothing short of amazing.

Cohesive? Really? Granted I don't know nearly enough about the worlds in general, but the more I hear about the shenanigans that go on, the more I wonder why our earth hasn't been vaporized yet with all those powerful baddies running around. Though granted they tend to get away with it by destroying other worlds parallel to our own from what I heard (or was that DC? Hard to tell actually...) so eh... >>

I suppose it's one of those things you'd have to follow consistently to get. :mellow:

Maybe it's a Jersey thing?

 

[Aegis]

Well, now we know how Hell Fear works. Through the power...............of SONG+MINDRAPE.

Anyone else find the nuns stabbing themselves deaf creepy?

 

[GenocideHeart]

Now we're getting to the point. You see, magical books in To Aru doesn't work like ones in Marvel, do they? Seeing as even one can incapacitate another magician in an instant that he tried to access it. My take is that the books are something more, than just text. They're an elder being's power replicated for human use, with aspects that defies the mind. And there are over 103,000 of them. Even if it's a single drop(wonder how can resurrection/immortality be classified as insignificant), 103,000 isn't a number to scoff at.

You do realize that Dr. Strange has quite a few tomes in his library that can RIP THE SOUL OUT OF THE BODY of every living thing within a mile from said books simply by OPENING the damn things? It goes a bit beyond 'incapacitating a magician who is trying to access it'. When Strange says he has ancient texts of eldritch sorcery that would slay mere mortals just by being too close, he means it.

You are right in that To Aru magical books don't work quite like Marvel ones, but that's because much like Marvel's cosmic beings, they work on a much higher level. The Montessi formula comes to mind - a single excerpt from a single, relatively harmless tome Strange has - and by 'relatively harmless' I mean 'it will simply be incomprehensible to mortals, and burn undead to death' - eradicated all supernaturally-created undead off the planet's face upon being read out loud (Strange mentions all the unliving would be destroyed).

Which is why for a long time in Marvel, the only 'living dead' were Dead Girl, who has a mutant power that specifically lets her 'live' while being dead, and Morbius, who is not undead but rather a vampiric mutate. Neither of them had any sort of supernatural origin.

So, yeah. Most actual magical tomes in Marvel that we have seen tend to contain stuff that not only can break your mind if you read it when you aren't supposed to, but tends to have planetary effects at a bare minimum.

What I am trying to point out is that when it comes to Marvel, you don't necessarily have to head to the major leagues to find ludicrously broken people/powers/items. THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Hell, look at Wither, who was in the junior X-Men team and whose power can be summed up in 'touch him and you are deader than a doornail'.

Or Darwin, from the 'lost X-Men', whose power specifically modifies him to protect him from ANY threat it perceives. When Darwin confronted the Hulk? Its power instantly gave him the ability to TELEPORT out of the blue, because it determined the best way to be safe from Hulk was not be close to Hulk in the first place. (Huh - Darwin's genes are smarter than most full human beings in Marvel...)

Or for that matter, you can look at Mysterio. Aside from being a historical Spidey opponent, he's more or less shit... until you realize he's skilled at mass-mindraping people with the illusions and chemical compounds his machinery and his suit create. And he DOES NOT have psychic powers. All his accomplishments come simply from the psycho-tech he created and his creativity, and Spiderman can attest that he's very effective at what he does in spite of being a baseline human under that costume.

And then we have Kingpin. Who, at one point, decided the best way to get Spiderman off his back was to stop wasting time trying to hit him and COLLAPSING THE THREE-STORIES MANSION THEY WERE IN on their heads. With his bare hands. Kingpin walked away from that. Spiderman... took a good while longer. And was in considerably worse shape than fatass.

Galactus has shown up when people have messed with the Surfer before. Specifically when Doom stole the power cosmic from him. Its basically if someone negates an action that he took the time and effort to accomplish, Galactus shows up because he did not declare that to be and he's going to waste you for disrespecting him like that.

Other high end cosmics have similar mentalities.

Galactus was also less than amused when Rulk drained Surfer of all his power and then came after him. He wasn't even annoyed at Rulk's audacity - or rather stupidity - at challenging him, he was pissed because he now had to waste valuable power reviving Surfer and repowering him.

He proceeded to zap Rulk, taking back all the power he'd stolen (among others, Terrax's power, Surfer's and a couple others thrown in for good measure), and then punted him all the way back to the Grandmaster's private rooms, where the Elder proceeded to chew Rulk out for pissing Galactus off, and Rulk retaliated by - in one of the biggest wallbanger moments in Marvel history - BEATING TO DEATH AN ELDER OF THE UNIVERSE WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

Fans were not amused by that last part, btw.

 

[leeyiankun]

Rulk retaliated by - in one of the biggest wallbanger moments in Marvel history - BEATING TO DEATH AN ELDER OF THE UNIVERSE WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

Well, it shows how inconsistent Marvel junk is then. May be Almagam had it right all along? If mix with another universe from another company = stalemate. Author pow3r = nullified, no use in cross-company xovers?

There's was no way DC could have forced a stalemate with Marvel in Almagam, but they did. :huh.:

Marvel Pow3r ain't all that cracked up to be.

And even if you point out that Beings that can destroy the world of Marvel can be found in your local 7-11, So what if To Aru doesn't do it like that? It just mean that Marvel universe is false. Since The whole thing is being glued together by Money, not plot, see? If you're willing to look, you can find contradictions EVERYWHERE. That is not a stable world, my friend. It reeks of greed, just to extend it. Blowing it up every year, is just too merciful. It is more ridiculous than DBZ, and that is mildly saying.

DBZ's Saiyajin homeworld blew up. Logical. Why not stupid, overflowing with overpowered beings, EARTH? How can a normal, you and me live in that shit? You can't even take a dump, before making sure there are no THINGS living in your toilet. That is totally possible, and very sick.

So we need to take what we can out of this confusion, make a stable world out of the mess, and tack To Aru on it. That's my take. Or better yet, use To Aru as a basis, and map some(not all) Marvel aspect into it. Either way is good.

 

[Aegis]

The fact that normal humans have a hard time living with real world level problems alone is a testament to how right leeyiankun is.

 

[GenocideHeart]

The reason why Earth doesn't blow up on a daily basis is because a number of equally powerful good superbeings are devoted to making sure the BAD superbeings don't do exactly that. Like say, Dr. Strange, the Fantastic Four, hell even Hulk was always in the front to protect the PUNY HUMANS from the big bad guys when needed. In spite of them constantly trolling him.

For the record, Civil War WAS an attempt to address how the general populace views superhero activities. Too bad it was written by a total hack and ended up being basically FUCK YEAH CAPTAIN AMERICAAAA vs. Naziron Man and his SS-upers.

Seriously, there was potential to actually address that topic, but thanks to an EXTREMELY shitty writer being onboard, it devolved in a mess.

It is, however, implied that most Earth-based villains want to CONQUER the world, not blow it the fuck up. As proved by how, when Galactus showed up and nearly got killed in a huge battle, even the supercriminals were attacking him. Everyone at that point was 'Get off our world', even if for different reasons.

 

[Aegis]

The reason why Earth doesn't blow up on a daily basis is because a number of equally powerful good superbeings are devoted to making sure the BAD superbeings don't do exactly that. Like say, Dr. Strange, the Fantastic Four, hell even Hulk was always in the front to protect the PUNY HUMANS from the big bad guys when needed. In spite of them constantly trolling him.

For the record, Civil War WAS an attempt to address how the general populace views superhero activities. Too bad it was written by a total hack and ended up being basically FUCK YEAH CAPTAIN AMERICAAAA vs. Naziron Man and his SS-upers.

Seriously, there was potential to actually address that topic, but thanks to an EXTREMELY shitty writer being onboard, it devolved in a mess.

It is, however, implied that most Earth-based villains want to CONQUER the world, not blow it the fuck up. As proved by how, when Galactus showed up and nearly got killed in a huge battle, even the supercriminals were attacking him. Everyone at that point was 'Get off our world', even if for different reasons.

I think you're missing the point lol

 

[Shaderic]

Er, wait a second.

I go away for awhile, thinking that the stupidity had been resolved, and it's still here? It's like hearing what you think is a flush, coming back from vacation, and finding a two tweek old turd in your toilet.

GH.

Marvel, while bigger, badder, and on the whole having a lot more shit in it than To Aru, is something best taken in, in tiny bits. It's a big conglomerate setting, and it's amazing that it fits together as well as it does. But it's also an unstable chaotic fucker where the rule at the end of the day is basicaly, as you admitted yourself, determined by the author. It's got a thousand and four different views. For the sake of the story here, stop trying to cram all of them down our throats. If you're gonna say, 'Lol, MARVEL stomps you here, HULK style', at least recomend an alternative.

It's fine to shoot down blatant stupidity, but when Marvel's involved in ANYTHING, jury-rigging is involved. Not everyone has all the comics, knows all the characters, and can deal with the way comic book writers shoot themselves in the foot.

Basically, no matter what, it's going to be an adjusted Marvel setting. Because all Marvel settings are 'Adjusted'. The writer is the supreme power, after all. As long as we don't see some really stupid things come out of this fic, I'm willing to go 'OK, belief is suspended'. Just... try and do that, OK? If you see something LOL, NO stupid, say so. And if you really don't like it, don't read it.

Oh, and ADD? Could we see a snippet, or get a plot overview? 'Cause just 'X-over Fun' is a bad idea.

 

[Aegis]

Er, wait a second.

I go away for awhile, thinking that the stupidity had been resolved, and it's still here? It's like hearing what you think is a flush, coming back from vacation, and finding a two tweek old turd in your toilet.

GH.

Marvel, while bigger, badder, and on the whole having a lot more shit in it than To Aru, is something best taken in, in tiny bits. It's a big conglomerate setting, and it's amazing that it fits together as well as it does. But it's also an unstable chaotic fucker where the rule at the end of the day is basicaly, as you admitted yourself, determined by the author.? It's got a thousand and four different views. For the sake of the story here, stop trying to cram all of them down our throats. If you're gonna say, 'Lol, MARVEL stomps you here, HULK style', at least recomend an alternative.

It's fine to shoot down blatant stupidity, but when Marvel's involved in ANYTHING, jury-rigging is involved. Not everyone has all the comics, knows all the characters, and can deal with the way comic book writers shoot themselves in the foot.

Basically, no matter what, it's going to be an adjusted Marvel setting. Because all Marvel settings are 'Adjusted'. The writer is the supreme power, after all. As long as we don't see some really stupid things come out of this fic, I'm willing to go 'OK, belief is suspended'. Just... try and do that, OK? If you see something LOL, NO stupid, say so.? And if you really don't like it, don't read it.

Oh, and ADD? Could we see a snippet, or get a plot overview? 'Cause just 'X-over Fun' is a bad idea.

Sure thing! ^_^ Any preference on what you'd like to see as a Snippet? Or just an intro-type prologue to the story? Honestly I'm still reading my way through the huuugggeeee volumes so while I try to finish and take in all the info and combine it with the imagery the newest episodes of To Aru bring me, ideas will be a bit on the short side. I have some ideas, but I rather hear what you, as the target audience would like to see first. Hence why suggestions are so welcome.

 

[Shaderic]

Well, let's go with an intro piece. Set up the cross over, and lay out the basic plot you had in mind.

 

[GenocideHeart]

My point is simply that a crossover with Marvel necessitates either TRULY LUDICROUS amounts of broken on the crossed fandom or simply resigning oneself to the fact the crossed fandom will be a bunch of midcarders at best. For all that the ToAru cast has some broken abilities, making blanket statement like Index being the bane of ALL MAGIC USERS is stupid, because half of them aren't even pure magic users (Scarlet Witch uses a mix of magic and literally altering probability - it's the equivalent of making a rule up and then throwing a loaded dice guaranteed to give you a natural 20 and your opponent a natural 1), and the other half aren't even human, so what applies to HUMAN magic users probably amounts to a cheap parlor trick to them.

That's more or less all I'm saying. Barring extreme nerfing of Marvel or extreme wanking of ToAru, that's how it is, plain and simple.