Nanoha Force
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It's hardly that unusual. I had to have the flaws of the Star Wars prequel trilogy pointed out to me by my scriptwriting teacher before I realized why people said they were such tremendous shit.
Temporary. Okay, that's different. I got distracted and stopped reading shortly after pony!Vita made her first appearance and I distinctly remember thinking "Oh god, he's doing it again."
Temporary. Okay, that's different. I got distracted and stopped reading shortly after pony!Vita made her first appearance and I distinctly remember thinking "Oh god, he's doing it again."
Yeah, good luck with that.
Considering how much I've pointed out the flaws of the A's movie, I don't see many people doing that, and if you were on AS at the time, it was well over 30+ pages of my comments/complaints about the movie and I didn't get people who weren't already critical of the movie to change their opinions.
Considering how much I've pointed out the flaws of the A's movie, I don't see many people doing that, and if you were on AS at the time, it was well over 30+ pages of my comments/complaints about the movie and I didn't get people who weren't already critical of the movie to change their opinions.
Shortly after Vita's first appearance, she assumes her human form to attack Twilight and kick her ass. The other Wolkenritter also show up in human form (or wolf form) to kick ass. They only ever fight in their natural forms.
If the Wolkenritter end up living peacefully in Equestria without needing to hide, they'll likely remain in human form just as Yuuno does. They CAN stay in their fake pony forms if they like, but the transformation field has no effect on them precisely because they can voluntarily shapeshift.
If the Wolkenritter end up living peacefully in Equestria without needing to hide, they'll likely remain in human form just as Yuuno does. They CAN stay in their fake pony forms if they like, but the transformation field has no effect on them precisely because they can voluntarily shapeshift.
Okay, so you've flipped. You were upset with him because he was all powerful. Now you're upset with him because he's weak enough to get his butt kicked by someone you think got worfed?
Just tryin' to see where you stand, dude. Can we assume things about the show or not, based on logical deduction? Whichever way you wanna go, we'll go with that, k?
Obviously, in certain terms they aren't comparable... but we were reducing it down to one thing that you had a problem with: enemies who seemed pretty much invincible at first. Fate did. The Wolks did. In fact, this is a fairly common technique in a lot of shows, anime and otherwise. You have to build up your antagonists as credible threats and give suspense to the question: "Can our heroes defeat them?" That means that, usually, the bad guys will be shown to be leagues above the heroes, and it takes the heroes the rest of the show to begin matching them. So, if you really have a problem with this aspect, then I am presuming you have a problem with wherever it shows up. The morality of the subjects and their respective attitudes have nothing to do with it. We're just comparing one single aspect, that you have stated is the aspect you have a problem with.
Chapter 7, starting from page 2 (continues for several pages). Subaru meets Thoma, and arranges to have him placed in an orphanage. During that time he becomes close with the Nakajima family (including Teana) before Subaru offers him a place in the family. That is where the close friends angle comes in. Not sure how you missed it.
The true story of the cartridges is spread all over the place. When RH and Bardiche make their request to be upgraded, they respond with a part number, which Amy immediately recognizes as the part number for the cartridge system. Why have a part number for it, if the technology is lost? In StrikerS, during ep 9, when the Forwards are getting the Nanoha backstory, Signum says that Nanoha chose to use the "then-unreliable cartridge system." That's the best English equivalent, as in Japanese, Signum is basically saying that cartridge systems had been used before, but the technology wasn't perfect; they were generally only ever used in Armed devices, and not more delicate Intelligent devices. Nanoha and Fate using them, basically proved their reliability in that regard, and by StrikerS, the system had spread more.
Note that both Quint and Zest used the cartridge system prior to S1. It was in use, but mainly on Armed devices which could better handle the strain. As Amy warned Nanoha, RH might not be able to handle the strain, until it was reinforced.
You really think Precia got it right on the first try? Even if we assume she did, Fate still got a couple years worth of training and refinement before being sent out into the field. She wasn't all-powerful from the get-go.
Quint shuts down the lab housing Ginga and Subaru in 0064 (one year before the Nanoha season starts). She rescues the two who are physically 6 and 4 years old, for Ginga and Subaru respectively. Flashback scenes in episode 23 of Strikers shows Ginga training in shooting arts (their combat style). Subaru says that she doesn't want to train because she doesn't want to fight. In fact, she only really starts to train after the airport fire. Even then, she's not as strong as Ginga because she hasn't trained as much. So, again, those prototypes needed many years of adjustment (they periodically have to have their cybernetics adjusted and stretched by Mariel as they grow) and training before they were really combat ready.
Heh, well, good luck to ya. I had that attitude way back when, too, honestly, when I was first getting into fandoms. Took me a long time to figure out why people got upset with me, and why they weren't coming over to my viewpoint. And I grew up in the Ranma 1/2 fandom. Whew... talk about fandom battles! That was the motherload, right there. People on every shipping side who were convinced they were right. And strangely, the majority didn't care too much.
Here is the most recent numbers I can find. Force is ranked #18, with 43,000 to 67,000 copies sold, roughly (Vivid is #13, FYI).
Again, do you have hard numbers for how many dislike Force? Or are you going to pull your numbers out of your ass again?
Just tryin' to see where you stand, dude. Can we assume things about the show or not, based on logical deduction? Whichever way you wanna go, we'll go with that, k?
Obviously, in certain terms they aren't comparable... but we were reducing it down to one thing that you had a problem with: enemies who seemed pretty much invincible at first. Fate did. The Wolks did. In fact, this is a fairly common technique in a lot of shows, anime and otherwise. You have to build up your antagonists as credible threats and give suspense to the question: "Can our heroes defeat them?" That means that, usually, the bad guys will be shown to be leagues above the heroes, and it takes the heroes the rest of the show to begin matching them. So, if you really have a problem with this aspect, then I am presuming you have a problem with wherever it shows up. The morality of the subjects and their respective attitudes have nothing to do with it. We're just comparing one single aspect, that you have stated is the aspect you have a problem with.
Chapter 7, starting from page 2 (continues for several pages). Subaru meets Thoma, and arranges to have him placed in an orphanage. During that time he becomes close with the Nakajima family (including Teana) before Subaru offers him a place in the family. That is where the close friends angle comes in. Not sure how you missed it.
The true story of the cartridges is spread all over the place. When RH and Bardiche make their request to be upgraded, they respond with a part number, which Amy immediately recognizes as the part number for the cartridge system. Why have a part number for it, if the technology is lost? In StrikerS, during ep 9, when the Forwards are getting the Nanoha backstory, Signum says that Nanoha chose to use the "then-unreliable cartridge system." That's the best English equivalent, as in Japanese, Signum is basically saying that cartridge systems had been used before, but the technology wasn't perfect; they were generally only ever used in Armed devices, and not more delicate Intelligent devices. Nanoha and Fate using them, basically proved their reliability in that regard, and by StrikerS, the system had spread more.
Note that both Quint and Zest used the cartridge system prior to S1. It was in use, but mainly on Armed devices which could better handle the strain. As Amy warned Nanoha, RH might not be able to handle the strain, until it was reinforced.
You really think Precia got it right on the first try? Even if we assume she did, Fate still got a couple years worth of training and refinement before being sent out into the field. She wasn't all-powerful from the get-go.
Quint shuts down the lab housing Ginga and Subaru in 0064 (one year before the Nanoha season starts). She rescues the two who are physically 6 and 4 years old, for Ginga and Subaru respectively. Flashback scenes in episode 23 of Strikers shows Ginga training in shooting arts (their combat style). Subaru says that she doesn't want to train because she doesn't want to fight. In fact, she only really starts to train after the airport fire. Even then, she's not as strong as Ginga because she hasn't trained as much. So, again, those prototypes needed many years of adjustment (they periodically have to have their cybernetics adjusted and stretched by Mariel as they grow) and training before they were really combat ready.
Heh, well, good luck to ya. I had that attitude way back when, too, honestly, when I was first getting into fandoms. Took me a long time to figure out why people got upset with me, and why they weren't coming over to my viewpoint. And I grew up in the Ranma 1/2 fandom. Whew... talk about fandom battles! That was the motherload, right there. People on every shipping side who were convinced they were right. And strangely, the majority didn't care too much.
Here is the most recent numbers I can find. Force is ranked #18, with 43,000 to 67,000 copies sold, roughly (Vivid is #13, FYI).
Again, do you have hard numbers for how many dislike Force? Or are you going to pull your numbers out of your ass again?
Oh, so it's not decided yet. No, what I was referring to was the possibility of the Wolkenritter deciding at the end of the series "I feel more natural and accepted in this form!" like Fate's reasoning. Which makes sense in her case to some degree but still feels like something that was included to appease a fandom meme, like how Yuuno always has to be Invincible Shield Man instead of Super Librarian whenever he shows up in a fanfic.
Kaijo, I'm going to have to ask you to stop with the... *Ahem* Extra comments. I'd rather not have a flame war happen here.
So, no, no baiting people into getting their friends to show up, okay?
Point is, Force isn't bad. I am annoyed by certain things (Why did you get stabbied, Hayate!?!?!?), but it's not bad.
What made Force worse for me was Hayate got stabbied when the more militant fans of the franchise really got uppity and started doing stuff that, well, makes me think of them as the KotTF from Ranma.
So, no, no baiting people into getting their friends to show up, okay?
Point is, Force isn't bad. I am annoyed by certain things (Why did you get stabbied, Hayate!?!?!?), but it's not bad.
What made Force worse for me was Hayate got stabbied when the more militant fans of the franchise really got uppity and started doing stuff that, well, makes me think of them as the KotTF from Ranma.
Well Smug Snake is a dead man. He might think he is behind the Eclipse Infection but from the latest chapter I get the impression that someone else might be involved, and have set him up as a scapegoat.
And once the public finds out what he is linked to there is no way any lawyer will be able to get him out of the Death Penalty. Depopulating worlds tends to piss people off after all. So given his attitude and the crimes he is "responsible for" he is the perfect fall guy.
Of course him taking the "easy way out" and committing (assisted) suicide in order to throw Section 6 off while they are forced to investigate looks like quite a promising end to his career.
And once the public finds out what he is linked to there is no way any lawyer will be able to get him out of the Death Penalty. Depopulating worlds tends to piss people off after all. So given his attitude and the crimes he is "responsible for" he is the perfect fall guy.
Of course him taking the "easy way out" and committing (assisted) suicide in order to throw Section 6 off while they are forced to investigate looks like quite a promising end to his career.
The investigation proceeds and bears new fruit; they now have a link to Vandein. And we get some more information, like how Vandein is randomly infecting towns, hoping to get one or two new Eclipse soldiers. In that light, it brings the Hucks a bit more sympathy, as like Thoma, they had to watch their friends and families die while they became infected. It wouldn't seem they had much choice in the matter, and were forced to live a hard life because of it. That would have broken most any human.
Okay this must be some sort of cruel joke...
Another month hiatus!? This will make two months in a row without chapter, did the FORCE staff finally ran out of ideas, written themselves into a corner or something?
Maybe they're too busy scratching their heads trying to find yet another way to make the Huckebeins likable xDU
Another month hiatus!? This will make two months in a row without chapter, did the FORCE staff finally ran out of ideas, written themselves into a corner or something?
Maybe they're too busy scratching their heads trying to find yet another way to make the Huckebeins likable xDU
It's ironic, supposedly i have a low opinnion of FORCE but here i'm am losing my head because they're prolonging the hiatus on the publishment xDU
Kaijo, please tell some wise words of encourgement to withstand this inhumanly slow pacing T-T
Gah! i wanna know what will happen with Curren's oh-so-called family reunion once and for all!
Kaijo, please tell some wise words of encourgement to withstand this inhumanly slow pacing T-T
Gah! i wanna know what will happen with Curren's oh-so-called family reunion once and for all!